census is loosing me influence

[mosedavid]

apologies in advance if this is covered elsewhere... I searched but could not find anything to do with it.

I'm playing Roman (Romani for the pretentious among us :wall:), reached 230's VH/M and i'm swimming in cash. I'm giving it away, i have large building projects, my governed cities (not my level 4 ones which are auto-governed) are set to 'high' tax rate so as to make the govener efficient and a good FM.

Trouble is is that it seems i'm being penalised for my efficiency. For the last couple of turns my FM's are loosing influence. Something on the lines of: "he has been found guilty of extravagance, minus 1 influence". It comes under the heading of a census in the character trait.

So, I give even more money away, start to build more law buildings but still they loose influence.

I'm sure this is meant to be but i would like to know how to counter it. Do i have to move these characters around a bit?? do i change tax rates?? do i build specific buildings??

[Tollheit]

You still have too much cash. Money causes corruption.
Try recruiting more soldiers or a navy, so that the army/navy upkeep may cut your profits.

[Africanvs]

Having a lot of money will do this, but I also think that if a governor sits in a city for too long without moving they can pick these sorts of traits up as well.

[mosedavid]

well, i dont hav e that much cash now - around 80k... but i had about 150k before. how much am i allowed before these traits kick in?

[Gaivs]

Anything over 40 k and it starts to affect it iirc.

[Mediolanicus]

Anything over 40 k and it starts to affect it iirc.

50k small chance and 100k for a bigger chance to get negative traits AFAIK.

[Cullhwch]

Build those super-expensive port upgrades. They're in the game for precisely this reason.

[Prussian to the Iron]

you could always build like 20 armies of your most expensive unit and send them into battle 1 at a time. that should take your money down.

this is so weird, ive never had a problem with "too much money" :P. when you think about it, its kind of an oxymoron

[Rilder]

you could always build like 20 armies of your most expensive unit and send them into battle 1 at a time. that should take your money down.


This isn't very Roman.

Just use the cash for navies, you need a good fleet.

[Prussian to the Iron]

This isn't very Roman.

Just use the cash for navies, you need a good fleet.

you know what else isnt very roman? having tons of money makes the people hate you. it doesnt matter if its "very roman" or not. he needs to get rid of his cash

[Macilrille]

It is not as much the money as I understand it that gives corruption, it is the high tax. Set it to normal or high instead of extra high that should make your governors more straight. High tax = They skim the income, especially if you have money.

Edited to add; Also, why tax your people higher than you need to?

[A Very Super Market]

Not when the more Roman way is more effective at taking away cash. Navies are very expensive, and that's the point of them.

[Prussian to the Iron]

did...you just say why tax higher than needed? well because money is good thats why!

[Macilrille]

Too much money is not good, it encourages corruption, and if you set your tax to normal or high, even if you have 1 mil Mnai, there will be notably less corruption. At least in my games, you guys can do as you please, but no complaints about corruption then.

[Tollheit]

This is probably just selective memory or coincidence, Macilrille.

The conditions for corruption triggers as found in edct are high Treasury, low Loyalty, and low Selflessness.

edit: on second thought, you do have a point, since low and normal tax levels increase Selflessness. My apologies.

[Macilrille]

No apology needed, I never even thought of it that meticulously, just noticed the effect intuitively.