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You really can't watch a eighties or nineties movie without a sex scene in it, in modern movies they are extremely rare, what is up with that? There hardly seem to be any love-interest as well, and if there is it's platonic. I want boobs, what happened?
rasoforos
03-31-2009, 10:37
You said it. Sex is so 70's-80's...
Half of the 'late teens-early twenties' today would need at least 100 hours of consecutive video gaming to erase the miasma of watching Last Tango in Paris :embarassed:
You really can't watch a eighties or nineties movie without a sex scene in it, in modern movies they are extremely rare, what is up with that? There hardly seem to be any love-interest as well, and if there is it's platonic. I want boobs, what happened?
We're getting old, Fragony. We are the last generation that is obsessed with sex.
*** Sigh ***
It's outrageous! These youngsters nowadays don't know what's good for them!
*** shakes shaky fist ***
O tempora, o mores!
:shame:
The new generation is having real sex instead of being obsessed about movie sex... much better than waiting to see KellyMcGillis and Tom Cruise getting in the sack together :laugh4:
However the pron internet culture is bad if you ask me...
However the pron internet culture is bad if you ask me...
hrmph. I like porn.
Have fun with pron then Fraggony - i am a married man sorry :laugh4:
As such i prefer watching Top Gun and Karate Kid with the always relevant question which couples head size has a larger discrepency? :laugh4:
rasoforos
03-31-2009, 11:11
Have fun with pron then Fraggony - i am a married man sorry :laugh4:
What is wrong about watching porn and being married?!
hrmph. I like porn.
Why not combining your hobby with making money and become a pr0n actor :balloon2:
Mithrandir
03-31-2009, 11:13
*** shakes shaky fist ***
That's more info than I needed Andres.
...no ...I'm not obsessed...really!
Your sarcasm detector is broken rasoforos, but if you still care to know ask your Mrs :laugh4:
That's more info than I needed Andres.
...no ...I'm not obsessed...really!
I hope you're not obsessed with my shaky fist :inquisitive:
Ok, I'm out of here...
:creep: :whip:
This thread is getting more perverted by each passing post :laugh4:
Mithrandir
03-31-2009, 11:19
This thread is getting more perverted by each passing post :laugh4:
I don't know... I feel a grand finale coming soon...
:laugh4:
I can only say that it aint gonna come from me, though mighty Camelier :laugh4:
This thread is all fluff. :no:
fluff with bunny ears Monk:laugh4:
I of the Storm
03-31-2009, 12:23
:weirdthread:
anyway, I guess they couldn't afford that many action scenes with bang and flames and stuff back then, so they had to put in more boobs. In the age of cheap computer graphics, who needs sex...?
Have fun with pron then Fraggony - i am a married man sorry :laugh4:
A girl I used to know was obsessed with porn (and roman military history what a woman), good times. I know many couples who watch porn to spice things up a little. If you are dutch you better be serious about it.
Dont like pron and aint Dutch ~:)
Dont like pron and aint Dutch ~:)
Of course you do you silly. And we all have an inner dutchman trying to get out, you just have to nurse it.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Fragony/poesup.jpg
I don't know... I feel a grand finale coming soon...
We already have a thread for that, right here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=115331).
:bow:
Anyway, maybe there's less sex in mainstream movies because people became more puritan? Or should I say, more hypocrite about it? But that's more Backroomish...
All? then why did i got a flying Dutchman? :laugh4:
http://img1.ifilmpro.com/resize/image/stills/films/resize/istd/2985926.jpg
Anyway, maybe there's less sex in mainstream movies because people became more puritan?
Think so, Rasaforos mentioned Last Tango in Paris, that is one of my favorite movies. It isn't trashy, it's classy, a true masterpiece. They don't make them like this anymore, a deep (lol) and intelligent highly erotic movie. It's a joy to watch, watched first with my grandma hehe. This is Holland.
For some reason, I feel certain this thread will have a happy ending.
My favorite romantic movies dont include sex scenes at all. Sex is at the centre of them, implied and discussed as are its incentives - those little moments that you catch a glimpse that sparks desire - however sex itself is never shown. It is also never shown out of context of the particular people that get attracted and their life conditions that makes up for a truelly human point of view - rather than the dehumanising voyaeur cocaine-like addiction that rules supreme our days.
These are the movies of Eric Rhomer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Rohmer).
I dislike Bertollucci with a passion since being Italian his vision of romantic relatiosnhips is sexually chauvinistic and one sided - hence the results.
I hope it isnt because you are about to distribute infractions Lemur :laugh4:
Gregoshi
03-31-2009, 13:24
This is Holland.
Before becoming The Netherlands, Holland was nearly named The NetherRegion... :yes:
Mrather than the dehumanising voyaeur cocaine-like addiction that rules supreme our days.
You really see it like that? Humans have sex, it's an everyday part of life. I think certain rap-songs are a thousand times as dehumanising then a beautiful movie like Last Tango in Paris, makes it ugly and forced. I think people have grown to be uncomfortable with sexuality, can't even make a playful remark to a co-worker without being suspect of being a sexist bastard, not good.
The comment you quote was about the pron culture Fragony - not the Last Tango in Paris.
I agree with you - in some ways things became more open, and in some others more closed.
The comment you quote was about the pron culture Fragony - not the Last Tango in Paris.
Not sure about having a porn-culture, it's just readily available because of internet. I see more of a decline of sensuality rather then an increase, it's just all that more trashy in it's mere suggestion.
Well in any case, i didnt imply that you (or any other here) are part of it or anything or if they consider that they are that they are wrong in any way.
In my humble opinion the issue is that there is no more sexual liberation to be had because we were all *liberated* from everything already... So on one hand you have large amounts of people getting it on teh internets solo (or looking for relationships etc) while on the other, people dislike any commitment that goes with a sexual partner and i am not talking of getting married.
In short, many people want sex even more freely and inconsequentially than it is now and many people dont want sex at all - its just too time consuming for their carreers or what have you. There are also plenty of those that view it as an *experience* as if it was some sort of sight seeing and they tick boxes of things they *have done* on a long list of *experiences* to *be had*.
All of those imho are wrong - but thats just me.
Yoyoma1910
03-31-2009, 14:17
Perhaps the growth of the prawn industry has led to the demise of intimate acts in mainstream Hollywood?
PanzerJaeger
03-31-2009, 14:19
I didn't notice, but I think you're right Frag.. as usual.
Didn't the last James Bond have like a 5 second clip of a naked woman's back.... sacrilege!!
Of course everything in that movie moved way too fast....
InsaneApache
03-31-2009, 14:20
I'd ask our Home Secretries husband where all the pRon went. :laugh4: Mucky get. :whip:
Ramses II CP
03-31-2009, 14:29
Maybe the film industry just finally realized that movie sex is generally wretched and cringe inducing? With a very few exceptions the sex scenes in mainstream movies are extremely boring. They're all shot in the same desperately teasing way with all the same conceits and silly hints. It's practically an 'in' joke among the directors. The sex scene in Watchmen is a perfect example, it's nearly unwatchable, completely out of touch with the rest of the film.
After the Matrix how many times did you see a bullet time sequence and find it interesting? Hollywood sex is exactly like that, it's all identical with interchangeable actors and actresses performing the same 3-4 motions with blank, frozen looks of excitement plastered over their faces. Yawn. If that was actually on the decline I'd say good riddance.
:egypt:
Gregoshi
03-31-2009, 14:49
Of course everything in that movie moved way too fast....
Now we know how women feel... :laugh4:
You really can't watch a eighties or nineties movie without a sex scene in it, in modern movies they are extremely rare, what is up with that? There hardly seem to be any love-interest as well, and if there is it's platonic. I want boobs, what happened?
J.B.B :clown:
but yeah, Gollum is good at explaining this. also, there are social changes in the US from the late 80's, marked by a conservative attitude towards sex (and frankly a dumb one, in regards to safety). makes sex unappealling to the demanding viewers. I think it is a reaction towards being completely liberated.:clown:
remember: these movies are made in Hollywood. Where? the USA.
Is that J.B.B. or B.JB. Ibrahim?:laugh4:
Is that J.B.B. or B.JB. Ibrahim?:laugh4:
its an abbreviation for a statement:
[A little too political for the Frontroom, Lemur]
otherwise, uts just a joke, so sit back, relax, and enjoy! :clown:
I didn't notice, but I think you're right Frag.. as usual.
MUHA!
Maybe the film industry just finally realized that movie sex is generally wretched and cringe inducing?
Can be very effective, let's take Munich. In the first scene the main character is making love to his wive, it's personal and full of affection, in the final scene he pounds of his horrors, it's a rape it chilled me to the bone.
Right, thanks Ibrahim, apologies for not wanting to decipher the acronym in my bit :laugh4:
Right, thanks Ibrahim, apologies for not wanting to decipher the acronym in my bit :laugh4:
nah, its meant to be ambiguous at first. if one can't figure it, they are supposed to ask:clown:
Originally posted by Fragony
Can be very effective, let's take Munich. In the first scene the main character is making love to his wive, it's personal and full of affection, in the final scene he pounds of his horrors, it's a rape it chilled me to the bone.
One of the most chilling rape scenes ever imho in cinema is the one in the taxi in Sergio Leones Once Upon A Time in America.
However that same movie has one of the funniest (if that characterisation can be applied to a rape scene) rape scenes ever too :laugh4:
Originally posted by Fragony
Maybe the film industry just finally realized that movie sex is generally wretched and cringe inducing?
Either that or it realised that it doesnt impress anyone anymore, since its only a click away.
In the 70s that small cinemas were viable businesses because there was no VHS - there was a whole industry and culture of softcore movies. You can still see lots of them as filling for TV programmes - however since the 80s all that scene died with hardcore pron in VHS tapes and the Video Club business (now extinct with the internet) came in bloom.
One of the most chilling rape scenes ever imho in cinema is the one in the taxi in Sergio Leones Once Upon A Time in America.
Try Irréversible or Baise Moi, those crazy frenchies. If you can watch it you are a better man then me.
Pannonian
03-31-2009, 15:34
One of the most chilling rape scenes ever imho in cinema is the one in the taxi in Sergio Leones Once Upon A Time in America.
However that same movie has one of the funniest (if that characterisation can be applied to a rape scene) rape scenes ever too :laugh4:
"Are you coming?"
"I'm coming."
The ID parade was also good.
"We've hanging out together for so long that we're starting to look like each other."
but yeah, Gollum is good at explaining this. also, there are social changes in the US from the late 80's, marked by a conservative attitude towards sex (and frankly a dumb one, in regards to safety). makes sex unappealling to the demanding viewers. I think it is a reaction towards being completely liberated.:clown:
remember: these movies are made in Hollywood. Where? the USA.
I believe this is close to the truth, but not exactly. I think it's all due to the rating system the US has. The biggest audiences are from PG-13 movies, and the levels of violence allowed in PG-13 has steadily increased over the years. But an exposed breast will automatically tag a film at R. Since R rated movies limit the audience, the movie studios have moved away from them, and hence you don't get any good love scenes with boobies.
Originally posted by Fragony
Try Irréversible or Baise Moi, those crazy frenchies. If you can watch it you are a better man then me.
Well, there is no comparison of visual elaboration in cinematic violence of any kind achieved in modern films with that of films that have been released almost 30 years ago.
Once Upon a Time in America is a sort of Dickensian fairytale minus the naivete. The horror of the scene comes from the fact that the characters involved in the rape love actually each other.
It isnt because the scene is that extreme (especially by todays standards) that i find it bitter to watch, but because of the very fact that an innocent childlike love needs so desperately to get realised, that the protagonist prefers to twist it than never get it at all, and by doing that he destroys it once and for all. Its the ultimate form of egoism that triumphs and becomes evil incarnate.
Meneldil
03-31-2009, 16:58
LotR obviously lacked sex scenes. And I want to see a super hero having sex, with special effects and all. Hancock was a first step, but it could have been better.
But overall, it's not that bad. You just have to watch movies with Monica Belluci. She ends up doing kinky things most of the time (always?).
Who needs sex scenes in such a romantic epic?:laugh4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAlt4Sfl7Q
Meneldil
03-31-2009, 17:21
That was wrong on almost every level. I will never watch LotR the way I did before.
Dont mention it - you ll thank me later - thats what we are here for Meneldil :laugh4:
tibilicus
03-31-2009, 17:46
Monsters ball?
Certainly not a scene I'd like to see again simply due to bizarreness but well, it gets a full 10 stars for being so graphic.
Hale berry and Billy Bob Thornton pretty much made a porno..
Where did the sex go?
Nudity and sex scenes don't sell nearly as well as violence outside of Europe and the US. Testament to the fact that these regions don't occupy the moral center of the human universe. The simple truth of the matter is that the international market isn't nearly as tolerant of nudity and explicit sexuality. Even in China where religion is marginalized to the point where god has either been replaced by the state or dismissed altogether sexuality is not openly discussed let alone depicted in mainstream films. Yeah sure, flicks like 'Lust, Caution' are still released but distribution is severely limited and typically to places like Hong Kong. What about countries like India and Indonesia or regions like the Middle East, Central or South America?!? Forget it.
Speaking as someone who used to work in the film industry the one genre that easily carries over into all markets are violent, action films. You don't even need to understand what's being said in order to understand what's going on in the average action movie. Subtitles? Bah, who needs them when the hero is roundhouse kicking and bullet timing his way through a sea of bad guys. Basically it's far easier to sell a sex free movie dripping with violence to the international market than it is to sell one dripping with sex and virtually sex free. And as far as domestic markets are concerned it is a proven fact that the average G and PG rated films do better in terms of box office and DVD sales than their rated R counterparts. So no sex = good for business.
Personally I have to agree that most sex scenes in mainstream films are poorly done and often have nothing to do with plot or character development. I'd rather watch defly handled sexual innuendo than badly done sex scenes. When it comes down to it it is extremely rare to find a film that can incorporate a sex scene that doesn't seem forced or staged and especially one where the actors maintain character as they writhe and gyrate about on the sheets. It is also a somewhat awkward experience to watch a love scene in the confines of a theater with several hundred strangers, the more explicit the scene the greater the discomfort. Just listen to the audience's sound level drop when a steamy scene gets going; shifting seats, people stop eating or drinking. Some people get turned on, others not, some find it irrelevant or even silly. It's hard to argue against the notion that many people find it to be a somewhat uncomfortable experience.
Let us not overlook the fact that thanks to the internet porn has never been more readily accessible. What's the point to titillating a moviegoing audience with nudity and sex scenes when they can view far racier and explicit alternatives from the privacy of their home?
So while we children of the 70s and 80s may be wondering where our cinematic T&A went don't be so quick to chalk up their absence to domestic cultural forces. The more our economies become globalized the more our societies are going to be affected by what people living on the far side of the world find acceptable... or unacceptable.
Interesting post Spino,
One of the best explicitly erotic movies imho is Ai-no-corrida aka In the Realm of the Senses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Realm_of_the_Senses) directed by Nagisa Oshima and released in 1976. The story is based on a true event and it basically deals with the sexual obsession of a couple with post-Meiji Japan as the background, when in a nationalistic fever scores of young people blindly marched to the horror of frontal infantry attacks that characterised the Russo-Japanese War.
The couple gets so entangled in their love making that gradually renounce the world and end up stoping every other activity (like all couples in their *prime*:laugh4:) - the obsession peaks in the climactic final scene when the woman - Sada - in a cruel gesture of desire cuts off the mans penis ending the whole in a bloodbathed disaster.
All the sex scenes have nothing of the slick pretentiousness of porno, but are shot with the intimacy of a true couple. The way sex is performed also mirrors the fatal addiction of the protagonists in it - the mutual longing of seduction transforms itself to marathon like sessions that inevitably turn so intense to border pervertion.
The choice of actors for the main couple is excellent - the woman in particular not only played the part great, but was having the right... physical qualifications for the part; its not everyday that you encounter a Japanese lady with well shaped, big brests. In fact she might have had more than those qualifications for the part because i havent seen her taking part in any other film :laugh4: The gentleman is equally well suited. A true classic of the genre.
Another japanese such classic is Tokyo Decadence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Decadence) directed by Ryu Murakami and released in 1992.
It follows the steps of a young prostitute in the streets of Tokyo at the high of its prosperity and months before Japan was hit by the economic depression when the *bubble* of the 80s burst.
Wait, is this an actually complaint that there is too LITTLE (no pun intended...well...kinda) sex in movies nowadays? What is more, did I see people complaining that people do not care enough about sex nowadays? Brother, go work at a highschool. It is sickening how much little kids are obsessed with sex nowadays. If you ask me, it has gone WAY over the top, well past sexual freedom, and into total life controlling obsession. Every advertisement, almost every movie, all you ever see and hear is sex. Most people's live revolve around sex. What university does NOT have a women's chapter devoted to sex? Some times I think I am the only guy out there who is NOT addicted to pornography.
Has innocence completely died? You would think so watching TV today or listening to what children talk about. Sorry, but I think whining about a lack of sexual expression in today's society is like whining about a lack of water in the ocean. :P How could it possibly get worse?
(and BTW, I am not against 'sexual freedom', I just think that it should not dominate society the way it does. It is not about freedom anymore, we have become slaves to sex.)
Well, what with the thread's sub-topic of rape in films, I'm going to move this to more controversial waters. To the Backroom away!
Wait, is this an actually complaint that there is too LITTLE (no pun intended...well...kinda) sex in movies nowadays? What is more, did I see people complaining that people do not care enough about sex nowadays? Brother, go work at a highschool. It is sickening how much little kids are obsessed with sex nowadays. If you ask me, it has gone WAY over the top, well past sexual freedom, and into total life controlling obsession. Every advertisement, almost every movie, all you ever see and hear is sex. Most people's live revolve around sex. What university does NOT have a women's chapter devoted to sex? Some times I think I am the only guy out there who is NOT addicted to pornography.
Has innocence completely died? You would think so watching TV today or listening to what children talk about. Sorry, but I think whining about a lack of sexual expression in today's society is like whining about a lack of water in the ocean. :P How could it possibly get worse?
(and BTW, I am not against 'sexual freedom', I just think that it should not dominate society the way it does. It is not about freedom anymore, we have become slaves to sex.)
It certainly feels like the ancient adage, "Moderation in all things", has been officially tossed into the cultural dustbin, eh?
It certainly feels like the ancient adage, "Moderation in all things", has been officially tossed into the cultural dustbin, eh?
lol, very much so. Society has a habit of taking things to the extremes though. :P
Strike For The South
03-31-2009, 19:19
Violence=Acceptable
Sex=Abomination that should be marginalized.
As someone who spent there life trying to get laid in a baptist church in the middle of a city where people see the virgin in tortilla chips, that was always kind of frustrating.
As a child I saw The Rock, My father let me watch all the violence scenes. I mean all the blood and VX poising I wanted. But when when Nic Cages girlfriend is riding him with very little interest and a fur coat on (Although I'll admit If I was having sex with Nic Cage I'd have very little interest to) I had to cover my eyes.
Of course this is also the man who let me watch The Green Mile when I was 9. Me and brother cried alone for like an hour before he finished BBQing.
I had an odd childhood.
As for the sexualization of our culture? Biggest can a'bull this side of the Pecos.
Violence=Acceptable
Sex=Abomination that should be marginalized.
As someone who spent there life trying to get laid in a baptist church in the middle of a city where people see the virgin in tortilla chips, that was always kind of frustrating.
As a child I saw The Rock, My father let me watch all the violence scenes. I mean all the blood and VX poising I wanted. But when when Nic Cages girlfriend is riding him with very little interest and a fur coat on (Although I'll admit If I was having sex with Nic Cage I'd have very little interest to) I had to cover my eyes.
Of course this is also the man who let me watch The Green Mile when I was 9. Me and brother cried alone for like an hour before he finished BBQing.
I had an odd childhood.
As for the sexualization of our culture? Biggest can a'bull this side of the Pecos.
Sorry about your childhood Strike, it sounds like you kinda got a bum deal with your dad. :P
I never said that violence should be glorified as it has been, or that sex is an abomination. I love sex as much as the next guy, but I just do not think it should dominate society as it does. As I said Strike, if you think this is not a society dominated by sex, turn the TV on for half an hour and count how many times references to sex are made, sex is used in advertisements, there are sex scenes, etc. Go to a highschool and listen to what everyone talks about all the time. Look at all the advertisements that are devoted to sex, look at all the campus chapters devoted to sexual topics, etc. If you do not think we have gone over the top, I think you really need to step back and take a look. Take a look at culture, take a look at how it influences and affects you and people around you.
Strike For The South
03-31-2009, 19:54
Sorry about your childhood Strike, it sounds like you kinda got a bum deal with your dad. :P
I never said that violence should be glorified as it has been, or that sex is an abomination. I love sex as much as the next guy, but I just do not think it should dominate society as it does. As I said Strike, if you think this is not a society dominated by sex, turn the TV on for half an hour and count how many times references to sex are made, sex is used in advertisements, there are sex scenes, etc. Go to a highschool and listen to what everyone talks about all the time. Look at all the advertisements that are devoted to sex, look at all the campus chapters devoted to sexual topics, etc. If you do not think we have gone over the top, I think you really need to step back and take a look. Take a look at culture, take a look at how it influences and affects you and people around you.
Dominate society? Compared to violence, sex is marginalized.
I just graduated from a public high school and didn't see any problems. I heard no stories of sexual depravity in the locker room or otherwise. Over the top? The good ole USA is sexually repressed. Just look at the push against sex ed and condoms. Kids grow up with this repressed view of sex as something evil and something that should be hidden and that if you do it you're dirty and a slut.
This nations obsession with violence is scary. Allot of people now equate violence with sex. If they can beat up that guy or posture hard enough that will get the girl. Violence is becoming more an more of an accepted way of resolving disputes. Kids feel much more comfortable around violence than sex and that's just wrong.
Dominate society? Compared to violence, sex is marginalized.
I just graduated from a public high school and didn't see any problems. I heard no stories of sexual depravity in the locker room or otherwise. Over the top? The good ole USA is sexually repressed. Just look at the push against sex ed and condoms. Kids grow up with this repressed view of sex as something evil and something that should be hidden and that if you do it you're dirty and a slut.
This nations obsession with violence is scary. Allot of people now equate violence with sex. If they can beat up that guy or posture hard enough that will get the girl. Violence is becoming more an more of an accepted way of resolving disputes. Kids feel much more comfortable around violence than sex and that's just wrong.
lol, I think that Texas must be a heck of a lot different than WI and Ill. :P First of all, violence is a different topic (and trust me, I believe violence is way over the top). Second of all, sexually repressed?? Are you kidding me? People are made to think that there is something wrong with them if they have not had sex by the time they are 14. And Strike, I hate to clue you, but there would be something seriously wrong if kids were NOT more comfortable around violence than sex. (and no, I think kids being violent is certainly wrong) Kids do not even have the gear for sex, it is an adult thing. Kids should NOT be thinking about sex at an age where they have not even matured enough to understand it and appreciate its importance and the consequences that come with it. When you have sex ed and teach kids about sex at a young age, you put it on their mind, and they get curious, and they do not understand it, which is why you have it being equated with violence (which comes naturally to kids...trust me). Sorry South, but I was not subjected to sex education as a child, and I did not grow up with a bad opinion of sex. Instead I grew up treating it with more respect than just a fun thing we learned about and did as kids. No offense intended Strike, but I have lived longer than you have, and been through the same stages that you have. Trust me, when you get older you will find out that everything isn't as clear as you thought it was. You are right, sex is not a bad thing, it is a good thing and an important thing, and it deserves more respect than it gets being flaunted and abused in society. Society uses it as a marketing tool, a punishment, a character judgement, and just a light thing you do for fun. It is more serious and needs to be taken more seriously.
Strike For The South
03-31-2009, 20:17
We were talking about high school and you just keep lowering the age. Losing ones virginity has always been that kind of thing. Not to mention it was never really an issue in high school or now in college.
And to be completely honest sex is treated way to important in todays society. It isn't some disease that needs to be revered it is just sex. It can be the most meaningful thing in the world or it can be two people who just want to get there rocks off. The fact that people put so much stock in a biological action while make no thought of watching someone get stabbed or have there head caved in says allot about us.
You have lived longer than me? That's good to know. It means nothing.
Why do you think violence is more "natural" for a child?
Rhyfelwyr
03-31-2009, 20:39
Why do you think violence is more "natural" for a child?
It is not OK for children to be violent, but you wouldn't call a couple of kids playing fisticuffs unnatural. On the other hand, kids really shouldn't know about sex until... they are no longer kids. But really sex education has gotten ridiculous in schools, they teach you about things way before you are biologically (physically or mentally) ready for them. And then they wonder why kids are becoming parents at age 12.
Hooahguy
03-31-2009, 20:45
interesting story... (http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?S=6180780)
We were talking about high school and you just keep lowering the age. Losing ones virginity has always been that kind of thing. Not to mention it was never really an issue in high school or now in college.
I was talking about people in general, children are only a part of it, but one I think people must consider. Never an issue? Two words: Teen Pregnancy.
And to be completely honest sex is treated way to important in todays society. It isn't some disease that needs to be revered it is just sex. It can be the most meaningful thing in the world or it can be two people who just want to get there rocks off. The fact that people put so much stock in a biological action while make no thought of watching someone get stabbed or have there head caved in says allot about us.
lol, two people who just want to get there rocks off. Why do you think we have so many sexually transmitted diseases nowadays? That is another subject though, as I am not talking about people having sex, but at the way sex is treated in society. It would really be hard to take it any lighter. Again I say to you, look at media and advertising in particular. I am not saying that sex needs to be between a husband and wife only, and that two people who like each other cannot have sex, but it is flaunted and promoted in todays society to the point where if a man is not obsessed with it he is no longer a man, and if a woman has not had sex/does not always talk about it, she is some stuck up fuddyduddy. THAT is not right Strike. As for you seperate point about sex in general, you have to realise that sex can have serious consequences (even if you play completely by the guidebook), such as diseases and of course someone becoming pregnant. If you are in a situation where you would not be willing to accept the responsibility that could come with having sex, then you should not have sex.
You have lived longer than me? That's good to know. It means nothing.
I was using it to point out that I have been at the stage you are at in your life where we all tend to look at these things from one perspective, and also that I have seen and worked with people for a lot longer, and got to see a lot more of how things turn out.
Why do you think violence is more "natural" for a child?
lol, babies (boys and girls) learn about things by breaking them. :P I have worked with the slimy little things I lot, and I can tell you, violence comes as natural to children as breathing. It is something that needs to be kept undercontrol and they need to learn to be responsible (much like adults with sex). Children are not naturally sexually aware on the other hand. They have plenty of important things they need to be learning about without sex at a young age. It is not a bad thing (children's disposition torward violence), it is just the instincts we are all born with. We are supposed to rise about those instincts though and learn to control ourselves. Children learn it with violence when they grow up, adults aught to learn to show a little responsibility with sex as well.
Oh yeah Strike, and think of your point of view. When sex is just an inconsequential game two people play for fun, those two people are demoting themselves and their bodies to inconsequential toys for another to play with. I have a slightly higher opinion of myself than that. :P When you hold sex in greater regard than just a pleasurable past-time, what you are really doing is holding your own sexuality and that of your partner in greater regard. Not that it is relate to my argument on the way sex is represented, but having sex with your gf who you like is one thing; you do not have to marry her, but you like each other and you give her love and recieve hers. Having sex with some random dame at a bar, who if you got to know her you may end up hating on the other hand I think is degrading.
Alexander the Pretty Good
03-31-2009, 21:24
You guys didn't catch Watchmen?
Who needs sex scenes in such a romantic epic?:laugh4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAlt4Sfl7Q
Oh ffs give us a warning next time that is hilarious. It's also just true, in the end it's about two childhood friends that climb a mountain with a ring. Could it possible be more gay?
quadalpha
03-31-2009, 22:52
Vuk, it might be interesting to look up some of the psychology literature on child sexuality for another perspective on the "natualness" of sex.
Im mad that the James Bond movies have been warped so much. I remember watching the older Bond movies, and hes gettin chicks in bed left and right. With the newer ones though he gets to kiss like one chick the whole movie and its for like 2 seconds.
Im not saying I want every Bond movie to be a porno, but the lure of James Bond is hes just completely badass and gets whatever he wants, and that should involve 99% of the attractive looking females in the movie.
Vuk, if your argueing about sex, saying your a old man doesnt do anything to help you win the arguement.
ICantSpellDawg
04-01-2009, 00:22
I hate sex in legit movies. I'd rather watch a story THEN watch some smut later. Why mix and match? It just limits who you are able to watch the movie with.
In some movies sex and violence are indispensable. A Clockwork Orange comes to mind.
Vuk, if your argueing about sex, saying your a old man doesnt do anything to help you win the arguement.
lol, I never said I was an old man, simply that I am older than someone who finished highschool last year. :P My argument was on society's obsession and portrayal of sex, not sex itsself. That was an entirely seperate argument I made in response to Strike.
a completely inoffensive name
04-01-2009, 06:23
lol at Vuk's statement earlier about innocence. if we were just open about sex in our society instead of trying to cover it up as some sort of inhuman action (which is ironic because it is one of the most defining characteristics of humanity) then kids would not have such a fascination about it to the extreme they do now.
don't hang the forbidden fruit in front of teenagers, you are just asking for trouble, or at least if you are gonna tempt them with it, tell them to slap a fun glove on first before they jump that apple.
"sex is bad" + abstinence only vs raging hormones = epic failure
Alexander the Pretty Good
04-01-2009, 07:42
which is ironic because it is one of the most defining characteristics of humanity
Not really, most mammals reproduce similarly.
a completely inoffensive name
04-01-2009, 07:55
Not really, most mammals reproduce similarly.
Yes and no, it is a bit different for humans who have cognitive abilities and put meaning behind it. Beyond the simple fact that all mammals reproduce in the same/similar way, humans have a unique perspective on it, its not solely for procreation which is rare in nature (except for a few other creatures like dolphins I think?)
EDIT: I shouldn't say "sex" in itself in my previous post, but I can't think of a word or phrase that accurately describes the uniqueness of humans when it comes to the topic and the fascination humans have in the subject and the act since ancient times. Which is in my opinion a defining characteristic of humanity or at least its society to which I laugh because there are those that wish to eradicate this from society and cover it up from kids and create the impression that humans only do it and should only do it to procreate which goes against the entire timespan of written history.
Alexander the Pretty Good
04-01-2009, 08:28
Sorry, I was being literal/superficial.
I don't really have anything meaningful to say here.
https://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj294/hellbender38/badpost.jpg
a completely inoffensive name
04-01-2009, 08:30
Sorry, I was being literal/superficial.
I don't really have anything meaningful to say here.
https://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj294/hellbender38/badpost.jpg
nah, its all good. I just wanted to clarify what my message was.
lol at Vuk's statement earlier about innocence. if we were just open about sex in our society instead of trying to cover it up as some sort of inhuman action (which is ironic because it is one of the most defining characteristics of humanity) then kids would not have such a fascination about it to the extreme they do now.
don't hang the forbidden fruit in front of teenagers, you are just asking for trouble, or at least if you are gonna tempt them with it, tell them to slap a fun glove on first before they jump that apple.
"sex is bad" + abstinence only vs raging hormones = epic failure
First let's look at your masterful equation:
"sex is bad" (something I sad the exact opposite of) + abstinence only (something I specifically stated I do not believe in) vs raging hormones = epic failure.
When we take out the things that no one said in this thread we are left with:
raging hormones = epic failure
hmmm...only when people do not show selfcontrol. :beam:
Sex is an instinct (and not a bad one), like violence (which can be a very bad one). (no, I am not equating the two, simply pointing out that just because it defines humans does not mean that we should be somepletely free with it) Just because it is an instinct does not mean it should be abused. People like to drink by nature, and there is nothing wrong with drinking, but it can be done to excess. Sex is an instinct and one that deserves respect. One of the main reasons it does is the very thing you mentioned: the meaning humans attach to it. Do you know how many teenage boys and girls I have known who have slept with someone, fell completely in love with them, and then had their hearts broken when it turned out just to be a fun game for the other person. Esp in the teenage years (when people are desperate for friendship and often feel very lonely) humans by nature attach great significance to such acts, even if it was not their intent at first. What happens when the other person does not is more than sad, and it happens way too often in an over-sexed society.
What you are saying is that sex is so trivial it should be taken completely light-heartedly. As I said to SFTS, it is more consequential and deserves more respect than that. Teaching kids to respect sex is not gonna get them completely fascinated with it. What makes them fascinated by it is the popular idea in society that if you do not get laid by the time you are 14 there is something wrong with you. Whether you "slap the fun glove on" or not, there is still a good possibility of two things: babies and disease (not saying that they are in anyway equal :P Everyone knows disease is not nearly that bad :P). One of the reasons there is such a problem with sexual diseases is that people are so obsessed with sex nowadays.
Sex (like alcohol) is a great thing, but when it is abused it becomes the opposite. If a gf and bf want to make love every day, hee hee, more power to em. :P But when someone goes to a bar every night to get laid, that is a different story. When someone cannot enter into a relationship without feeling obligated to give love to and share their body with someone they do not know if they would like to yet, something is wrong. When sex is not a thing two people do when they love each other, but is an advertisement something is wrong. When sex is a way for people to degrade themselves in front of a camera so a bunch of desperate perverts can watch and play with themselves, there is something wrong. When children are being taught about things that will come naturally to them down the road at an age where they cannot recite the alphabet, something is wrong. When sex has become a form of punishment, something is wrong. When you cannot have a conversation with someone for 5 minutes without sex being brought up, something is wrong. Surely you can see my point?
It's funny that in more conservative society's like USA and England the amount of teenage-pregnancy's are so much higher then in loose society's like Holland and the Scandinavian country's, teenage pregnancy's are extremely rare. In a loose society people also have less partners.
It's funny that in more conservative society's like USA and England the amount of teenage-pregnancy's are so much higher then in loose society's like Holland and the Scandinavian country's, teenage pregnancy's are extremely rare. In a loose society people also have less partners.
Two reasons, early abortions and birth control are both less used in the US. I do not take killing a baby to be an acceptable alternative to taking responibility though.
Two reasons, early abortions and birth control are both less used in the US. I do not take killing a baby to be an acceptable alternative to taking responibility though.
Nah, I am against that as well by the way. It's a whole different attitude, much less peer pressure. We have the lowest amount of teenage abortions in Europa as well.
article, bit exaggerated http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5208865.ece
Nah, I am against that as well by the way. It's a whole different attitude, much less peer pressure. We have the lowest amount of teenage abortions in Europa as well.
article, bit exaggerated http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5208865.ece
In the Netherlands it would just prove how uneducated and naive you are
That is a pretty horrible attitude, but one I think that explains it pretty well. Birth control is probably used a lot more in the Netherlands than in other places in Europe. No offence Frag, but what I read in that article does not improve my opinion of the Netherlands at all. :P
About 93 per cent of young people in the Netherlands use contraception, compared with 53 per cent in Britain
Yup, that is the reason.
That is a pretty horrible attitude, but one I think that explains it pretty well. Birth control is probably used a lot more in the Netherlands than in other places in Europe. No offence Frag, but what I read in that article does not improve my opinion of the Netherlands at all. :P
No offense taken, it's just being realistic, a teenage single mom can't provide for herself and raise a kid, it might seem cold to you and you are probably right. You could ask yourselve why birth control is a lot more used here, it works. Same with our more relaxed attitude to drugs, lowest cannabis use in the western world.
No offense taken, it's just being realistic, a teenage single mom can't provide for herself and raise a kid, it might seem cold to you and you are probably right. You could ask yourselve why birth control is a lot more used here, it works. Same with our more relaxed attitude to drugs, lowest cannabis use in the western world.
I have nothing against birth control Frag, but I do not think that that is a good substitute for showing a little self control. :P I wonder if there are any statistics on the Netherland's rate of sexually transmitted diseases compared to the rest of the west...
I have nothing against birth control Frag, but I do not think that that is a good substitute for showing a little self control. :P I wonder if there are any statistics on the Netherland's rate of sexually transmitted diseases compared to the rest of the west...
There are, lowest of the world as well. You see when you normalise things you don't need to control it. Despite all the 'thou shalt not' America is a much more sexualised society then the Netherlands, now why did Eva go for the apple in the first place? Not saying that we do it better, but it works for us.
There are, lowest of the world as well. You see when you normalise things you don't need to control it. Despite all the 'thou shalt not' America is a much more sexualised society then the Netherlands, now why did Eva go for the apple in the first place? Not saying that we do it better, but it works for us.
Eve went for the apple because she was told how good it was. America is a very absurdly sexualised country, but it never used to be. The sexualisation of America is not a result of teaching selfcontrol and moderation. And Frag, I think one could make a pretty good argument that many of the Netherland's social woes are due in part to its policies of freeness on drugs and sex. I do not think that the government should 'limit' sex anymore than protecting children and not allowing women to be exploited for prostitution or porn, but it should not actively 'educate' children on sex and promote children to do things that they naturally would not otherwise do. Do you ever stop to think of all the miserable women who are being exploited in the porn and prostitution industry? That is a very real part of an oversexualised society.
EDIT: Allow me to expand and make you a better argument, but it will have to be some time tomorrow because I am leaving for my late night class now.
But what are the social woes of the Netherlands? We are a happy lot, we have little problems. Prostetution is a hard one, not that fond on how we are letting these girls down, but in the end they are either too willing or too stupid, can't help that, nor will I, go down as you please
Meneldil
04-01-2009, 17:31
Women exploited for porn? Wut?
Most porn stars earn millions of $/€ and like their job. Porn is a whole industry, and I don't think people are more exploited than a factory worker would be.
Now, if we're talking about second hand, poor quality porn, or even child porn, I would agree. But the official and legal porn industry is far from being exploitation. People being paid thousands of buck to have sex for 20 mins in front of a camera isn't exactly my view of exploitation or alienation.
Not that I think porn is moral or a good thing, mind you.
it should not actively 'educate' children on sex and promote children to do things that they naturally would not otherwise do.
Children would naturally be interested in sex. I mean, I played "doctor games" with my girl best friend when I was 8, and we didn't have any sexual education (sadly, we would have made love if only we knew how to do it back then). You vastly overestimate the effects of sex education. I mean, in France, you have like one hour of it in high school. It's like "To avoid STD, put a condom when you make love. And here are other ways to not become pregnant:[...]. Got it everyone? Then see you next week for a lecture on the characteristics of reptilians."
Sex isn't unnatural or weird, or something to be ashamed of. I blame freaking damn modern religions for the tabou that currently surround sex, even in modern and liberal societies.
And the US *is not* a sexualised country. People (even young ones) mostly never talk about it in North America, because it will make you look crazy and dirty. What it is is a sex-starved country, mostly because sex is such a tabou, that people jump on the first occasion to have/see some.
If I go to a pub in France, it's mainly to have some good time with friends. If I go to a pub in Canada/the US, it's to get wasted and possibly find some girl to have sex with.
Why? Because alcohol and sex are seen as inherently bad. Going to the pub is the best and easiest way to escape moral rules and to try out what is seen as a shameful thing by the society.
I'd agree with Fragony: the more you try to control things, the more they get out of hands. If sex wasn't such a tabou in the first place, people wouldn't be as obsessed about it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2009, 17:53
Some of the posts here on this thread are frustrating me. I have all this pent-up angst which I cannot seem to express in public, and to do so here would be against .org policy. The orgahs here are all organisms trumpeting their trumpets and playing their organs, fingering the keys of their pianos and strumming their guitars, making beautiful music together. They are as musical as they are healthy, for they play their instruments while gently squeezing the firmness of their organic vegetables which they brought home with them from the market; an experience that is quite honestly organismic. As for my own hobbies, I like to watch pretty birds and hang out in nature. I look fondly at pretty fawns which I'd like to fondle and caress, but alas, they scamper off with their little white tails pointed towards the stars. But mostly I like to practice my rhetorical art. I don't mind tooting my own horn, but when you're as much of a cunning linguist as I am, you become a master of debate. My oratorical skills are among the best you'll find; my girlfriend can attest to that. I never seem to be able to close my mouth. Here on the .org, you will see my fingers working very hard to express these feelings and pent-up frustrations, often times I work them so hard that my wrists start to hurt and my fingers become numb. Fortunately, my keyboard can handle the punishment, and never seems to complain when I post several times in one evening. The only complaints I get are from fellow orgahs who find my posts too long and massive, but sometimes I think they are just jealous. There is also note that I do it more frequently, and am never shy to do it in public or in private. I suppose I can tone it down, but I am an obsessive personality, and I just can't get enough. I'll take every opportunity, and remain firm in my convictions, never too flexible, but always easy to handle, until the very end. Usually, things get pretty messy, but I try not to hurt anyone's feelings too much, and I always try to clean up my mistakes when I make them. I can't live without that little edit button; I work that baby like no one's business. Almost every time I post, I touch that button several times, always trying to perfect my technique. The result of my obsession and my hard work would be many satisfied customers. There are some who say I've been too rough on them, but I always feel bad when I fail to satisfy people. It doesn't happen too often, and I am proud of that. I've been working on designing new gadgets for when I play mafia games, and so far, the gadgets have been fairly good at nailing people. Some call me a scumbag, but most of the time, I am playing straight, and for the home team; no funny business. I have occasionally dabbled in the forbidden fruit and switched teams, but I'd rather not talk about that. It was just a few times during college.
My palms are sweaty from typing this, so I'd better wipe them off.
:bow:
Must be fascinating to be you
Gregoshi
04-01-2009, 18:59
Some of the posts here on this thread are frustrating me. I have all this pent-up angst which I cannot seem to express in public...My palms are sweaty from typing this, so I'd better wipe them off.
Need a cigarette pizzaguy? :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2009, 19:23
Getting the nod from you, Gregoshi, in the humor category... is like a lifetime achievement award in itself.
:bow:
Strike For The South
04-01-2009, 20:04
Some of the posts here on this thread are frustrating me. I have all this pent-up angst which I cannot seem to express in public, and to do so here would be against .org policy. The orgahs here are all organisms trumpeting their trumpets and playing their organs, fingering the keys of their pianos and strumming their guitars, making beautiful music together. They are as musical as they are healthy, for they play their instruments while gently squeezing the firmness of their organic vegetables which they brought home with them from the market; an experience that is quite honestly organismic. As for my own hobbies, I like to watch pretty birds and hang out in nature. I look fondly at pretty fawns which I'd like to fondle and caress, but alas, they scamper off with their little white tails pointed towards the stars. But mostly I like to practice my rhetorical art. I don't mind tooting my own horn, but when you're as much of a cunning linguist as I am, you become a master of debate. My oratorical skills are among the best you'll find; my girlfriend can attest to that. I never seem to be able to close my mouth. Here on the .org, you will see my fingers working very hard to express these feelings and pent-up frustrations, often times I work them so hard that my wrists start to hurt and my fingers become numb. Fortunately, my keyboard can handle the punishment, and never seems to complain when I post several times in one evening. The only complaints I get are from fellow orgahs who find my posts too long and massive, but sometimes I think they are just jealous. There is also note that I do it more frequently, and am never shy to do it in public or in private. I suppose I can tone it down, but I am an obsessive personality, and I just can't get enough. I'll take every opportunity, and remain firm in my convictions, never too flexible, but always easy to handle, until the very end. Usually, things get pretty messy, but I try not to hurt anyone's feelings too much, and I always try to clean up my mistakes when I make them. I can't live without that little edit button; I work that baby like no one's business. Almost every time I post, I touch that button several times, always trying to perfect my technique. The result of my obsession and my hard work would be many satisfied customers. There are some who say I've been too rough on them, but I always feel bad when I fail to satisfy people. It doesn't happen too often, and I am proud of that. I've been working on designing new gadgets for when I play mafia games, and so far, the gadgets have been fairly good at nailing people. Some call me a scumbag, but most of the time, I am playing straight, and for the home team; no funny business. I have occasionally dabbled in the forbidden fruit and switched teams, but I'd rather not talk about that. It was just a few times during college.
My palms are sweaty from typing this, so I'd better wipe them off.
:bow:
You could've said, I like pleasuring women. I am really good in all facets of the sex including but not limited manual, oral, and genital stimulation.
Your and VUKs storybooks posts make me want to steal aderoal. :laugh4:
My palms are sweaty from typing this, so I'd better wipe them off.
:bow:
I find sweaty palms are much easier to wipe clean if you shave them first... ~:flirt: :wink:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
04-01-2009, 21:43
I blame freaking damn modern religions for the tabou that currently surround sex, even in modern and liberal societies.
I know you like to blame religion at the first opportunity, but take a look here:
Vanessa Storm de Grave, a mother of four who works part-time for a publishing company, thinks that her compatriots may be more responsible about sex than the British because the Netherlands is a more religious country. “The family is very important here,” she says.
a completely inoffensive name
04-02-2009, 01:00
First let's look at your masterful equation:
"sex is bad" (something I sad the exact opposite of) + abstinence only (something I specifically stated I do not believe in) vs raging hormones = epic failure.
When we take out the things that no one said in this thread we are left with:
raging hormones = epic failure
hmmm...only when people do not show selfcontrol. :beam:
Sex is an instinct (and not a bad one), like violence (which can be a very bad one). (no, I am not equating the two, simply pointing out that just because it defines humans does not mean that we should be somepletely free with it) Just because it is an instinct does not mean it should be abused. People like to drink by nature, and there is nothing wrong with drinking, but it can be done to excess. Sex is an instinct and one that deserves respect. One of the main reasons it does is the very thing you mentioned: the meaning humans attach to it. Do you know how many teenage boys and girls I have known who have slept with someone, fell completely in love with them, and then had their hearts broken when it turned out just to be a fun game for the other person. Esp in the teenage years (when people are desperate for friendship and often feel very lonely) humans by nature attach great significance to such acts, even if it was not their intent at first. What happens when the other person does not is more than sad, and it happens way too often in an over-sexed society.
What you are saying is that sex is so trivial it should be taken completely light-heartedly. As I said to SFTS, it is more consequential and deserves more respect than that. Teaching kids to respect sex is not gonna get them completely fascinated with it. What makes them fascinated by it is the popular idea in society that if you do not get laid by the time you are 14 there is something wrong with you. Whether you "slap the fun glove on" or not, there is still a good possibility of two things: babies and disease (not saying that they are in anyway equal :P Everyone knows disease is not nearly that bad :P). One of the reasons there is such a problem with sexual diseases is that people are so obsessed with sex nowadays.
Sex (like alcohol) is a great thing, but when it is abused it becomes the opposite. If a gf and bf want to make love every day, hee hee, more power to em. :P But when someone goes to a bar every night to get laid, that is a different story. When someone cannot enter into a relationship without feeling obligated to give love to and share their body with someone they do not know if they would like to yet, something is wrong. When sex is not a thing two people do when they love each other, but is an advertisement something is wrong. When sex is a way for people to degrade themselves in front of a camera so a bunch of desperate perverts can watch and play with themselves, there is something wrong. When children are being taught about things that will come naturally to them down the road at an age where they cannot recite the alphabet, something is wrong. When sex has become a form of punishment, something is wrong. When you cannot have a conversation with someone for 5 minutes without sex being brought up, something is wrong. Surely you can see my point?
none of what I had said after the first sentence was directed towards you. just clearing that up. and that semi jokingly equation I typed is true in many regions and households across America.
sex should not be regarded as trivial it should regarded as normal and everyone should be properly educated about it, to just say people should have self control is moronic. kids are stupid, for the most part there is no self control, they need to be educated.
when we can talk about sex just like we do as the weather then the sexual problems society has can be eradicated, telling people to have self control and not talk about such things every 5 minutes just compounds the problem.
a completely inoffensive name
04-02-2009, 01:21
I know you like to blame religion at the first opportunity, but take a look here:
Originally Posted by Times Online Article
Vanessa Storm de Grave, a mother of four who works part-time for a publishing company, thinks that her compatriots may be more responsible about sex than the British because the Netherlands is a more religious country. “The family is very important here,” she says.
Lets look at that again:
Vanessa Storm de Grave, a mother of four who works part-time for a publishing company, thinks that her compatriots may be more responsible about sex than the British because the Netherlands is a more religious country. “The family is very important here,” she says.
Because what Mrs. de Grave thinks has to be true. And with such confidence how could you not take her word as fact.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
04-02-2009, 01:30
Lets look at that again:
Vanessa Storm de Grave, a mother of four who works part-time for a publishing company, thinks that her compatriots may be more responsible about sex than the British because the Netherlands is a more religious country. “The family is very important here,” she says.
Because what Mrs. de Grave thinks has to be true. And with such confidence how could you not take her word as fact.
Once again, statistics of religious belief vs. pregnancy rates don't seem to add up.
Major Robert Dump
04-02-2009, 01:41
Sex scenes in movies are wholly unrealistic and for that reason they tend to annoy people, so why not take them out if they are inaccurate and annoying? For example, when was the last time you saw a heated sex scene where at the end the man said "get me a sandwich" and she started crying and when she came back with ham on rye extra mustard I was already asleep. Ok maybe the fact that the scenes last 4 minutes is kinda accurate but I wouldn't know, thats just what I hear.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
04-02-2009, 01:47
Sex scenes in movies are wholly unrealistic and for that reason they tend to annoy people, so why not take them out if they are inaccurate and annoying? For example, when was the last time you saw a heated sex scene where at the end the man said "get me a sandwich" and she started crying and when she came back with ham on rye extra mustard I was already asleep. Ok maybe the fact that the scenes last 4 minutes is kinda accurate but I wouldn't know, thats just what I hear.
https://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2766/epicwinx.jpg
Strike For The South
04-02-2009, 01:47
Sex scenes in movies are wholly unrealistic and for that reason they tend to annoy people, so why not take them out if they are inaccurate and annoying? For example, when was the last time you saw a heated sex scene where at the end the man said "get me a sandwich" and she started crying and when she came back with ham on rye extra mustard I was already asleep. Ok maybe the fact that the scenes last 4 minutes is kinda accurate but I wouldn't know, thats just what I hear.
4 minutes is way to long. I like to finish even before she realizes she won't be satisfied.
Major Robert Dump
04-02-2009, 01:48
I'm colorblind what does it say?
4 minutes is way to long. I like to finish even before she realizes she won't be satisfied.
quik easy and painless, don't worry you won't feel a thing
Strike For The South
04-02-2009, 01:56
quik easy and painless, don't worry you won't feel a thing
So you've been listening in? Kinky...I like that
So you've been listening in? Kinky...I like that
I know
a completely inoffensive name
04-02-2009, 05:21
EDIT: Nah I wouldn't tell you guys to stop talking about your personal life, I just said that cause I am jealous both of them probably get some on a daily basis. Especially Strike.
Was a joke of course. 4 minutes is enough to make them curl around your loving touch.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-02-2009, 17:22
Well, the discussion seems to have degenerated to how long things can be "sustained," which more or less answers that question for this thread.
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