Ah-Ink

[kekailoa]

I've always wondered this.

Why is Ah-Ink in such an odd place? It sticks out of the province in an entirely un-strategic and geographically awkward place. If it was on the other side of the Danube, it would be better, but it's not. Now I have this giant province with the capital in the completely wrong side, just completely open to Roman attack.

Can anyone answer me why the borders of this province are so odd? Is that really where it was?

[Tollheit]

Yes, Ak-ink was there, and it is still there, although people prefer to call it 'Budapest' today.

[kekailoa]

I realized that, but why the odd territory placing?

[Tollheit]

It is Eravacouw - the land of the Eravisci.

[kekailoa]

Well, that's a helpful bit of information.

But usually you have capitals nearer to the center of the province, or at least not so radically away.

[Zett]

But usually you have capitals nearer to the center of the province, or at least not so radically away.

Washington D.C.? Not very central.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Map_of_USA_DC.svg/350px-Map_of_USA_DC.svg.png

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[satalexton]

oh it is very central actually, if you put into account of all those type 3 and type 4 settlements across the ocean...

[Tolg]

Washington D.C.? Not very central.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Map_of_USA_DC.svg/350px-Map_of_USA_DC.svg.png

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

Washington D.C. is very central. In the centre of the east coast, which was probably the most important/populated part of the US when it was founded. (I don't even know if the west coast was already part of the US back then.)

[Nachtmeister]

oh it is very central actually, if you put into account of all those type 3 and type 4 settlements across the ocean...

LMAO big time, this is really a good one!
It is also disquietingly true - I suppose even my country is at least a type IV... Although temporarily with a wayward client, see Iraq invasion :laugh4:

But D.C. is probably roughly in the "demographic" center of USA - I hear the east coast looks like a single urban "sprawl" from the distance... Somewhat different from, say, the Great Plains or the Rockies.

Ak Ink is actually IMO in a very good strategic position: right at the only river crossing for miles and miles, thus controlling access to the land from the west. With it's large population, it also has the people needed to defend the border close at hand so you don't need to march them over there - possibly even making fielding a defensive army much cheaper for the rulers as every inhabitant has something to lose (life) from getting conquered (as opposed to a foreign force just occupieing some distant border lands). So, if I were the ruler of the area, that's where I would place my capital/population center!

[heldelance]

Ak Ink is in a strategic location, great fall back city. It guards the only pass between a river forcing western attackers to either head south or go north (where Rebels and Germans roam). Hold that city and the other one in Pannonia and you'll have the romans/celts/whatever being pinned to those areas.
Trust me, it's well positioned.

DAMMIT! Got beat to the punch. Curse you Nachtmeister!!! Stealing my thunder! :wall:

[Zett]

Washington D.C. is very central. In the centre of the east coast, which was probably the most important/populated part of the US when it was founded. (I don't even know if the west coast was already part of the US back then.)

Perhaps there was a similar senario in this region. Does anyone know the population density of this region to that time?

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Cimon]

Washington D.C. is very central. In the centre of the east coast, which was probably the most important/populated part of the US when it was founded. (I don't even know if the west coast was already part of the US back then.)

DC was founded in 1790, a mere 14 years after declaring independence, and a mere three years after the US Constitution was ratified. The West Coast was certainly not a part of the US at that time. Territorially, the US in 1790 consisted of the East Coast without Florida (Spanish possession), and much of the modern Midwest and South. However, those parts of the Midwest and South were virtually unihabited by people claiming any sort of connection to the original 13 states.

See Map (http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/thumbnail73.html)

With that in mind, DC was incredibly central demographically. Further, considering the need for an eighteenth century capital (and, indeed, all capitals founded before the true age of the railroads) to have access to the sea directly or via river, then DC makes perfect sense as a capital locale.

Somewhat off subject, so sorry about that, but felt it was important to further Tolg's point as a good compare/contrast to Ak-Ink.

[/Bean\]

I've always had a bit of a problem with the borders of that province, talking this time from the PoV of the Romans. Ak-Ink was their border town, wasn't it? Against the Dacians etc. Though I suppose if the territory is of the previous tribe, then thats fair enough. Only border changes when new factions move in would solve it. Coughcoughhinthintoudysseoswinkwinkcoughcough.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Ak-Ink is indeed perfect for anybody coming from the east. If you come from the west, it's not so nice. It just doesn't make sense to occupy the whole province. Perhaps, if you're Romans, conquer it (they wouldn't have allowed for a barbarian outpost on "their" side), but make it a type 4 gov, so you can regard the vast majority of the province as not part of your empire.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Ak-Ink --> Aquincum --> Budapest

Modern day, the Danube runs through the city, but EB can'r make a town on a bridge location out of the RTW engine.

Ak-Ink itself is located on the very west of the province, so if you come from east, your empire looks very realistic, if you come from west the map looks like you control everything east of the danube, but it will probably be a place where the Getai roam freely.

If you have a Romani campaign and try to recreate their empire, it is best that it is on the western half. Through history I think the more civilized world on the west of the Danube was more civilized and urban, thus having the city itself west of the river on the campaign map.

Taken directly from Wikipedia (Budapest)

The first settlement on the territory of Budapest was Ak-Ink (English: Abundant Water) built by Celts before the birth of Christ. It was later occupied by the Romans. The Roman settlement - Aquincum - became the main city of Lower Pannonia in 106 AD. The Romans constructed roads, amphitheaters, baths and houses with heated floors in this fortified military camp

And another source found when looking for wikipedia's sources, encyclopedia Brittannica

Aquincum
Ancient settlement, Hungary

Ruins of Aquincum, Budapest. [Credits : Ian Pitchford]important town in the Roman province of Pannonia; its ruins have been excavated in northern Budapest, Hung., near the west bank of the Danube River. At its peak, the civilian settlement reached as far as the military
camp that was situated in what today is the district of Óbuda, just over a mile to the south, where the ruins of an amphitheatre are found.

Before the Roman town was founded, the site was settled by the Celtic Eravisci people and given the name Ak-ink (“Abundant Water”) because of the nearby thermal springs. A Roman military camp established there by Emperor Vespasian attracted a civilian population by the mid-1st century bce. Other factors contributing to the city’s growth included the fertile flatlands next to the river, the ease of crossing the Danube at that location, and the substantial traffic on the important road connecting the fortresses along the Danube limes (imperial boundary). The remains of the Contra Aquincum fortress, built on the east side of the Danube to defend the crossing, are on the Pest side of the Elizabeth Bridge in Budapest. In 106 Emperor Trajan made Aquincum the capital of Lower Pannonia (Pannonia Inferior); its proconsuls included Hadrian, later emperor, whose palace was erected on Óbuda Island. From the early 2nd century a Roman legion was stationed there.

The city was classed as a municipium by Hadrian in 124 and a colonia by Septimus Severus in 194. After suffering heavily during the Marcomannian wars in the middle of the 2nd century, the city resumed its growth with the construction of a number of public buildings as well as an amphitheatre in the northwest and a 3-mile (5-km) aqueduct from the springs to the military camp. Emperor Diocletian made Aquincum the capital of the Pannonia Valeria province. As Roman forces withdrew in the age of the great migrations, not even the Danube was able to shield the city from invaders. The inhabitants gradually left Aquincum, and when the Huns arrived at the beginning of the 5th century they found it deserted. Methodical efforts to unearth the remains of Aquincum began in the late 19th century, and many of the finds from the excavations are on display in the Aquincum Museum in Budapest.

~Fluvius

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Ironically, Washington DC is placed where it is so that it would be a more central location. The original (well, second) capital of the USA was New York. George Washington suggested that the captital be moved to the current location so that it would be closer to the southern states, who feared a New York -centered government.

Ak-Ink is actually just the Buda part of Budapest. :beam:

I believe the answer I got when I asked about Ak-Ink when I was a fan (about three years ago) was that the people living in Ak-Ink are more associated with the people of the province on the eastern side of the river and yet Ak-Ink is a large town. When I play the game, I just roleplay that the the owner of Pannonia controls that region and the owner of that region doesn't own the west bank and Ak-Ink. I don't remember if it was changed, but the provinces in that region were reevaluated for EBII.

[Aemilius Paulus]

oh it is very central actually, if you put into account of all those type 3 and type 4 settlements across the ocean...
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

That definitely deserves a balloon: :balloon3:

[Skullheadhq]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

That definitely deserves a balloon: :balloon3:

Haha indeed have another balloon :balloon2:
I'm still ROFL:beam::beam::beam:

[satalexton]

=D why thankyou, and all hail Arche Amerikana! =D

[Ignopotens]

I don't remember if it was changed, but the provinces in that region were reevaluated for EBII.

Well that's nice to know :)