Interactive Romani AAR.

[johnhughthom]

After sorting out some computer issues and playing a bit of E:TW I have come back to EB and wanted to check out the interest in an interactive Romani AAR in which forum goers would play Senators. I would play all the in-game moves based on decisions made in the AAR thread. It would be similar to Maion's Makedon AAR, https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=107468 and Jaertecken's current Sweboz AAR https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=112547.

[the man with no name]

I would rather have us fight too! But if not than thats okay.

Name:Julius Ceasar (so original right!)(:
Age: 29 ( rome's youngest senator in History(
Tribe: Campanian
Backround: He has made a special deal with the senate so he can fight and decide what 2 do. He grew up in the nobility of campainia playing with the other boys, rich or poor he didn't care, but his father would yell at him if he caught him playing with the poor. They fought for fun with sticks and sometimes, the traders would give tem a small shield too play with too. When he was growing up he had too go to this boring school where they would teach him how to read and write which was good, but he also had to learn how to be a good senator, which his father always wanted him to be. once he graduated from that he went to the officer academy, against his fathers wishes and became a good officer, and went off to help secure italia and fight Phyyros.

[/Bean\]

You know you could just join BtSH, thats almost exactly what we do.

EDIT: I can't believe all these people have signed up for this and so few went for BtSH. It's practically the same thing. Well done, johnhughthom.

[johnhughthom]

Yeah, I know about that. It's for 1.1 though and it's too much hassle trying to have more than one EB install as I have Steam.

[penguinking]

I'm in.

Quintus Livius Postumus, 39 years old, a plebeian.
He has considerable military experience and has had moderate success in politics, currently holding the rank of Plebeian Aedile. Belongs to a wealthy Plebeian family, and, while not currently of great influence, has much ambition. He is fascinated by Greek culture.

[Maion Maroneios]

I'm in!
















OK, I'm kidding allright. Good luck though!

Maion

[/Bean\]

Blimy Maion. You scared me then...

[Olaf Blackeyes]

Me too. DONT DO THAT!!!!!:furious3:

[johnhughthom]

Hmm, I suppose three EB PBMs in the Throne Room means the market for this type of thing is saturated. Back to the drawing board I guess...

[Vasiliyi]

i would be interested in an interactive game

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 480 AUC.

Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs stands to address the Senate of Rome.

Fellow Romans, we stand at a crossroad in our history. Pyrrhos has abandoned his allies in the south and seems to have realised he cannot defeat Rome, the treacherous men we sent to help Rhegion still hold the city and the every present threat from the north is as real as ever. We will have two legions raised next year and we need to advise the Consuls who will lead them. Which threat is the greatest and what can we leave for the time being? I have opinions and I will air them later, right now it is up to you to express the will of the Senate of Rome.

I wanted at least three people interested to make this worthwhile so thanks Vasiliyi:beam: Hopefully more people will join when we get going.

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius Aerulius Cotta stands up, looking around for people to hush down a bit and begins to speak.

"My fellow romans! It is time we undo all things that have been done by our enemies. First we must invest in proper roads for the the province of Roma and Capua, the last few mnai of our treasury should go to installing a provisional government in Arriminum. Second, What good is our navy if we have no enemies in the west Mediterranean! Disband those rotten ships and let our treasury be filled with extra coins for real needs. Finally, let us unite our legions into one massive force and assault Taras as quickly as possible, to deny our enemies their lands in Italy. I have said my piece."

The senator sits down and waits.

(Is there gonna be any houserules, and what difficulty are you playing on)

[penguinking]

Qvintvs Livivs Postvmvs rises to speak.

"Our first priority must be to capture Pyrrhos' holdings in Italia. For the moment the Tarentines are weak and without aid, so it is vital we defeat them before they can recover. Once this is done, I propose that peace be negotiated with Epirus, on the condition that they renounce all their claims to territory in Italia. There is nothing to be gained from fighting Epirus once Taras has fallen, and trade with them could benefit us.

"The next objective must be Rhegion. The continued existence of the foul traitors is a constant stain on Roman honor. Once peace has been achieved with Pyrrhos, there will be nothing to stop us from sending both legions to destroy them. This will prove to our allies that Rome is capable of protecting them, and that she will brook no treachery. Peace must be made with the barbarians to the north until our objectives in the south have been met. Our navy is a pointless drain of resources and should be disbanded immediately."

[johnhughthom]

Check my Romani AAR in my sig, the first page has my usual Romani house rules. I won't necessarily stick to them all in this if the decisions made here go against my usual style (I have personal rules on the raising and number of legions for example). Playing H/M, huge unit sizes.

[the man with no name]

Check my Romani AAR in my sig, the first page has my usual Romani house rules. I won't necessarily stick to them all in this if the decisions made here go against my usual style (I have personal rules on the raising and number of legions for example). Playing H/M, huge unit sizes.

I is confuzzled with teh difficulties. Hard battles and Medium campaign or vice versa?Anyhow...

(Julius Ceaser stands up) "I agree with the previous said, and I add that we should take ALL of the Italian Penninsula, including the northern parts like Segesta if not more. I also agree with 2 things said, 1. that we should negotiate a peace treaty with Epirus after we take Taras and discuss trade rights with them too and 2. that we should disband our navy because it drains our resources. That is all." (sits down)

[johnhughthom]

Dentatus rises once again, after letting the Senate debate.

Well gentlemen, it seems we are in agreement and the Epirotes in Taras are the chosen target. We must decide then how we should advise the Consul to go about taking the city. Should we try to use our agents in the city? Do we assault or seige and try to starve them out? We also need to come to a consensus on whether we need both legions to take the city, or could one move toward Rhegion to assault there after we take Taras, as we seem agreed the rebels need punished after we rid Italia of Pyrrhos' influence. Personally I would be inclined to use our small fleet to move our northern legion south more quickly than it could march, but if the Senate feels it is too expensive we will sell it to merchants.
The barbarian questions in the north seems to have provoked some division, perhaps we should consolidate our position to the south before discussing the Gauls? My informants in the region assure me there is no imminent danger of any raiding.
I return the floor to you, wise men of the Senate.

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius Aurelius Cotta stands once again.

"Bah! The roman legion fights its enemies with its feet! The legion from Arretium marches to Rhegion! The first Legion should starve out those greek bastards. Why should good Roman blood be shed? Our second legion should move on to Rhegion. This should take care of one front. Our north is safe, the tribes of the celts are leaderless and they wont work together against us. We will discuss the north later, as we do not want to over extend ourselves, Julius."

Lucius looks at the senators and and sits.

[penguinking]

Quintus Livius Postumus nods approvingly during Lucius Aurelia's Cotta's speech, and rises to voice his agreement.

"I agree with Cotta. The first legion should starve the city of Taras, while the second legion is carried by our fleet to Rhegion, and will storm the city. Once the legion has disembarked the fleet can be disbanded. The northern border is currently secure, and I see no point in disrupting it until we are done in the south."

[Karo]

I'm in but I need a cool Roman name can't think any of my own :clown:

[johnhughthom]

I'm in but I need a cool Roman name can't think any of my own :clown:

Marcus Iulius Rufus.

[johnhughthom]

Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs stands again.

Well friends it is decided, Legio I will march to Taras immediately after the Consuls are elected to seige the city, while Legio II will travel toward Rhegion ready to repay the traitors within. Our fleet will be disbanded, Lucius Aurelius Cotta is correct, Roman armies do march with their feet, we will leave the seafaring to our Punic friends. I ask all of you to pray to the gods for victories in this coming year which will surely be a glorious one in the annals of Rome. Good day fellow Senators.

Dentatus leaves the Senate hall and the steady thrum of chatter begins anew.

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 481 AUC.

One year on Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs once again opens the Senate session.

Dearest Romans, the seige of Taras goes well, the city is cut off from aid and our agents say it will fall within the year. Legio II was unable to make it to Rhegion last year due to trouble flaring amongst the Samnites. It has been decided to use the Samnites in our alas to keep them busy doing service to Rome, away from their homes, away from trouble. We have agents in Rhegion who may be able to engineer an opening to assault the city, the garrison within is stronger than that of Taras though, so if we decided to starge the Tarentines out assaulting Rhegion would be an odd decision. Of course that decision lies with you my friends.
One more small, perhaps insignificant, piece of information, Carthaginian forces on Sicily have enganged in hostilities with the Mamertine rebels in Messana. Our sources in the region say the Mamertines may seek our aid in the matter. It may not be a pressing matter but it could be important further done the line. If we attack the men who took control of Rhegion wouldn't allying with the mercenaries who took Messana make us hypocrites? Then again, can we allow Carthage to become to powerful in Sicily?
The floor is yours, men of Rome. Let me hear your voices.

Dentatus sits, he is starting to show his age, perhaps this is the last Senate session he will open. There is no other obvious candidate to lead the Senate when he is gone, nobody with the gravitas and influence to keep the Senate in order. An opportunity then for a young, ambitious man to make a name for himself.


I forgot to turn anti-aliasing off, so no screenshots. Not much happened, I disbanded the fleet and the two cavalry units. I hired two Samnite Spears and one merc Bruttian and one merc heavy Samnite as my allied alas. There wasn't much left for building, Ariminium was given a level 4 govt (can't afford a client ruler yet) and Arpi built drains.

[Karo]

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up

I'm happy how our military campaign is developing and I believe we can't allow Carthage to grow stronger what will stop them to attack us when they have conquered all of Sicily. After South Italy has taken our legions need to march again this time to Sicily.
And there is also a second point I want to discuss, diplomacy. I believe we need to send diplomats in too the world and get some new allies all over the world and we'll need trade rights with every nation. And it would be good to know were our possible enemies have their capitals and who are their enemies and who are their allies.
Sits back down

[penguinking]

Quintus Livius Postumus give his speech.

"We must not march on Sicily. Doing so will violate our treaty with Carthage and thus result in war. Given that at the moment we have no navy, and depend heavily on Carthage for trade and income, war would be an unwise decision. Carthage's attack on Messana must be tolerated for now. We simply are not ready for a war with a nation as strong as Carthage at this point. I believe it is unlikely to succeed anyway. Instead, after we capture southern Italia, we should focus on expanding to the north, against the Celtic tribes in the Po valley.

As for Rhegion, if the commander feels he has enough troops to storm the city, he should do so. Traitors should be destroyed as quickly as is possible. Of course, if the roman forces are not strong enough to succeed, then starving the city is acceptable."

[Vasiliyi]

Quintus Livius Postumus give his speech.

"We must not march on Sicily. Doing so will violate our treaty with Carthage and thus result in war. Given that at the moment we have no navy, and depend heavily on Carthage for trade and income, war would be an unwise decision. Carthage's attack on Messana must be tolerated for now. We simply are not ready for a war with a nation as strong as Carthage at this point. I believe it is unlikely to succeed anyway. Instead, after we capture southern Italia, we should focus on expanding to the north, against the Celtic tribes in the Po valley.

As for Rhegion, if the commander feels he has enough troops to storm the city, he should do so. Traitors should be destroyed as quickly as is possible. Of course, if the roman forces are not strong enough to succeed, then starving the city is acceptable."

Lucius Aurelius Cotta stands again to speak.

"What Quintus says is wise. Let those Carthageinians try agianst the Mammertines. This will only weaken them. Remember gentlemen, Carthage gives us more income than all the taxes in Rome do. Can we really afford to lose such a partner, albiet a bad one? No for now we shall have peice and concentrate on the matters at hand, such as Taras and Rhegion. I believe that both cities should be starved out, but if the commander is confident, then let him assualt."

Lucius sits down.


(Hey there Johnhungthom, are you gonna post screenies or what?)

[johnhughthom]

(Hey there Johnhungthom, are you gonna post screenies or what?)

Yeah don't worry, I had intended to for the last year but forgot to turn off AA. :wall:. I won't be able to play this year until tomorrow but I'll have screenies of taking Taras and (maybe) Rhegion.

[miotas]

Yeah don't worry, I had intended to for the last year but forgot to turn off AA. :wall:. I won't be able to play this year until tomorrow but I'll have screenies of taking Taras and (maybe) Rhegion.

You should use fsscreen to take your screenies, I've been taking shots using that with AA turned on.

[Vasiliyi]

Yeah don't worry, I had intended to for the last year but forgot to turn off AA. :wall:. I won't be able to play this year until tomorrow but I'll have screenies of taking Taras and (maybe) Rhegion.

oh ok no rush mate

[miotas]

Can anyone else join in?

If so then,

Marcvs Cornelivs Scipio would request that he be recognised as a senator of the great Res Publica

[Maion Maroneios]

Can anyone else join in?

If so then,

Marcvs Cornelivs Scipio would request that he be recognised as a senator of the great Res Publica
Tut, tut, you dissapoint me miotas.

Maion

[miotas]

Tut, tut, you dissapoint me miotas.

Maion

Hey, the greater they are, the more horourable it is to destroy them right?

I'll work on bringing them down from the inside :grin2:

[the man with no name]

As said earlier we MUST not march on Messana for we cannot afford a war with carthage. I say that we march on Segesta and Bononia, even though they have alot of men to kill, so we starve them out.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Can new people Join? If so

Name: Arnza Perperna
Age: 31
Tribe: Etruscan/Cisapline gallic
Description: Tall with curly red hair. His father had been an invading gaul, that when rampaging through Etrutria, fell in love with a local woman. He stayed in rome after the horde left and built up his wealth as a sea merchant, trading with the Greeks and Carthaginians. His son was born ten years after meeting his mother ( He had bad luck with children, His previous 4 children ended in death by disease) Arnza was taught about the bussiness of mechantile, but at the age of 12, Arnza forced his father into letting him study law in rome. He studied there for many years and eventually was assigned a spot on the senate. He is currently in training for becoming a captain.

[Vasiliyi]

I think were still recruiting, right johnhumgtom? Welcome.

[johnhughthom]

Indeed, anybody is welcome to join at any time.

[Karo]

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up again

"Are we going to leave a city that is requesting our aid? What has become to us if we are going to leave a city stand alone in their hour of need? Is this the Rome our forefathers dreamed of? And is this a lesson we want to give to our off springs? How will history judge us if we leave our allies and friends alone against the evil expansionist of Carthage? And what has become of us if we choose money above friendship."
he scratches his beard and looks to the senators sitting
"Senators, why do you fear Carthage? don't you believe that our legions can crush them? Don't you trust our mighty armies to conquer all of Sicily? And what is there in the north except Barbarians? In Sicily we'll find wealth and glory for Rome. I know you fear that we'll lose money from this expansion. But they will pay us back when we conquer their cities and pillage it."

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 482 AUC.

Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs strides into the room, dust still on his cloak from a recent journey.

Friends, good news. Taras is now under the control of Roman forces. I have just returned from the city, I spent a great deal of time speaking with the Consul and local elders. The Epirote forces came out to meet us, despite being heavily outnumbered.
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The victory was achieved, though a disappointing number of men were lost. I won't be recommending the Consul for any honours.
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The question we need to answer is this, how do we handle this new responsibility? Should we enforce Roman laws and order upon these people? Should we allow them to rule themselves, with some proper Roman "help and advice" when necessary of course? Or do we try something in between the two? My preference is to allow local friends of Rome to rule, perhaps further down the line when the locals are more loyal to Rome we could implement something more direct. We also need to decide how the new settlement in Ariminium should be governed, do their laws come direct from Rome or do we give them a level of autonomy?
The second Legion is encamped in sight of the walls of Rhegium. My agents within haven't sent any word for months, I can only assume they were discovered and murdered. The only sensible option is to starve them out, I am sure none of you would advocate an assault on a walled city when we have another option.
I believe many of you have spoken out in favour of closer trading ties with other nations, who do we approach? We also need to decide on our relations with the Epirotes, they have been kicked out of Italia and pose no threat. Do we need to continue hostilities?
I give the floor to you wise men of Rome.

The old man sat down to listen to the words of his peers.


I forgot to change the camera from general cam, so didn't get any good battle pics.:wall:

[Karo]

The question we need to answer is this, how do we handle this new responsibility? Should we enforce Roman laws and order upon these people? Should we allow them to rule themselves, with some proper Roman "help and advice" when necessary of course? Or do we try something in between the two? My preference is to allow local friends of Rome to rule, perhaps further down the line when the locals are more loyal to Rome we could implement something more direct. We also need to decide how the new settlement in Ariminium should be governed, do their laws come direct from Rome or do we give them a level of autonomy?
The second Legion is encamped in sight of the walls of Rhegium. My agents within haven't sent any word for months, I can only assume they were discovered and murdered. The only sensible option is to starve them out, I am sure none of you would advocate an assault on a walled city when we have another option.
I believe many of you have spoken out in favour of closer trading ties with other nations, who do we approach? We also need to decide on our relations with the Epirotes, they have been kicked out of Italia and pose no threat. Do we need to continue hostilities?
I give the floor to you wise men of Rome.

The old man sat down to listen to the words of his peers.



Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up
"It's great news that Taras has fallen the men who have fallen must be remembered as heroes. I believe we must let those pesky Greeks rule themselves, with the guidances of Rome of course. For now it will be the best thing to do. And now the Epirotes are out of Italy we must make peace with them and get the trade going with them and the rest of Hellas. And we need to trade with the rest of the world and let them know about the greatness of Rome."

[johnhughthom]

How will history judge us if we leave our allies and friends alone against the evil expansionist of Carthage?

The Mamertines were hardly old allies of Rome, they wanted an alliance to protect them against Carthage.

[Karo]

The Mamertines were hardly old allies of Rome, they wanted an alliance to protect them against Carthage.

sssht................
aren't we at war with carthage if they attack the Mamertines?

[johnhughthom]

aren't we at war with carthage if they attack the Mamertines?

Not necessarily, the script only causes war if Rome attacks Messana (:shrug:). It's up to the Senate whether Carthage gaining influence over Sicily is reason to go to war, in real life it was, in this AAR it's up to you.

[Karo]

Not necessarily, the script only causes war if Rome attacks Messana (:shrug:). It's up to the Senate whether Carthage gaining influence over Sicily is reason to go to war, in real life it was, in this AAR it's up to you.

I thought the script worked both ways

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza Perperna Stands:


"I don't mean to sound unsupportive, Senator Marcus Rufus, but war with carthage needs to be the farthest thing from our minds. The Cathaginian economy is strong and they rule the seas. A war with them would only be long, hard-fought and more inportently, expensive. Their navy would strangle our trade routes and force us into an economic downspin, with which, only abosolute victory would recover. We must do everthing to prevent a war from occcuring. A strong force must garrison the sourthern rebal city in case the carthaginians attack. On the matter of the Greeks, we must strike. The greek cities are weak, they bicker amongst themselves and are constantly at war. Rumors say that the main Epirote force is campaigning in Macedonia,and their homelands will be left weakly defended, ready for the taking. The Epirotes are allied with the the hellenic cities, but thier alliance will break soon. The Macedonian army is strong and will swallow all of greece if left alone. The Gallic tribes to the north should be left alone. They are to busy with each other to focus on the rest of the world, but should we attack, they will most likely ally against us. On the Taras matter, Let the greeks rule it. When all of Greece bows to rome, they will have no choice but to accept us. But I can neer overstress, war with Carthage would be a suicide. More men are needed and A navy that rivals the carthginians also. Make allies of them and let them expand in spain and africa. Greece is a rich land that will supply us many goods, and much money. We must strike!!"

Arnza sits and grins, hoping his plan wasn't to radical.

[johnhughthom]

EDIT: I can't believe all these people have signed up for this and so few went for BtSH. It's practically the same thing. Well done, johnhughthom.

Anybody playing along with this really should check out BtSH, EB PBMs are great fun. I would play BtSH if it wasn't for EB 1.1, I'm currently playing a Makedon PBM and really enjoyed my time as one of the original players of WoTB(AS PBM).
Head over to the Throne Room and check it out guys.


Unless you got a sore head from all those acronyms. :laugh4:

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 483 AUC.

As the Senators arrive in the building they see Dentatus is already there, for all they know he may have been there for days. He is looking even older than last time, surely he won't last another year. When the room was full he rose and addressed Romes men of influence.

Fellows, Rome's rise to greatness continues unabated. The evil mercenaries who took advantage of the fearful people of Rhegion are no more. Perhaps some of you watched as Rome took her revenge?
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Forgot to turn off general cam again!!!!
Now we must forget the past and look to the future, once again we have a new responsibility and must decide how to handle it. Also we still haven't addressed the role of Ariminium, do we control her directly, or should the residents have a degree of self-government?
Our ambassadors arrived in Epiros within the last few weeks and agreed a peace deal. I am told they are hard at work on more than one front, their war with the Macedons goes well, indeed they control the Macedon homeland, birthplace of Alexander. They are also working to subdue the Illyrian coast, Dalminion is already under siege and may fall within the year. We need to decide is this advantageous for us, Epirote control of the region should control piracy in the Adriatic, or is it an Imperialistic streak we need to subdue? Some of you have already spoken of the need to engage in this theatre, Dentatus nods at Arnza Perperna, Personally I think it a reckless thought, how many legions would we need to take and garrison the region? It is, however up to you as the engineers of the will of Rome. It seems to me there are three fronts, Sicily, Gallic Italia or Illyria/Greece. Involvement in the first front would bring us into conflict with an old friend and trading partner, one would lead us to fighting savages and the other strikes me as madness. What do we do?

He sits with a sigh, nodding to the Senate to air their opinions.

[Karo]

Now we must forget the past and look to the future, once again we have a new responsibility and must decide how to handle it. Also we still haven't addressed the role of Ariminium, do we control her directly, or should the residents have a degree of self-government?
Our ambassadors arrived in Epiros within the last few weeks and agreed a peace deal. I am told they are hard at work on more than one front, their war with the Macedons goes well, indeed they control the Macedon homeland, birthplace of Alexander. They are also working to subdue the Illyrian coast, Dalminion is already under siege and may fall within the year. We need to decide is this advantageous for us, Epirote control of the region should control piracy in the Adriatic, or is it an Imperialistic streak we need to subdue? Some of you have already spoken of the need to engage in this theatre,[/I] Dentatus nods at Arnza Perperna, Personally I think it a reckless thought, how many legions would we need to take and garrison the region? It is, however up to you as the engineers of the will of Rome. It seems to me there are three fronts, Sicily, Gallic Italia or Illyria/Greece. Involvement in the first front would bring us into conflict with an old friend and trading partner, one would lead us to fighting savages and the other strikes me as madness. What do we do?

He sits with a sigh, nodding to the Senate to air their opinions.

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up

"We hear again of a great victory, and I didn't expect anything lesser. First point I would like to adres is what we need to do with Arminium, I say we need to rule it ourselves with the laws of Rome. Second point is what to do now. I know that my plans for attacking Carthage aren't welcomed by the majority of the senate. But after some time I'm certain that all of them will realise that what I proposed was the right thing to do. Because I don't believe they'll expand in Africa or Iberia after they are done in Sicily. But they'll move in too Italy. And they'll attack Roman land and I hope it will not be too late too repel their attack. Now what do we need to do is conquer the northern part of Italy maybe there are mines in the mountains that will bring riches to us. Attacking Hellas now would be madness, some people are forgetting the two mighty empires in the east who wouldn't like if we came and tried to conquer Hellas. And we don't need all of Hellas to unite against an external enemy. Their time will come but it's not now."
He sits back down

[penguinking]

Quintus Livius Postumus rises to speak.

"We should establish direct control over Ariminium. It will take time, but having the province directly controlled by Rome will let us stamp out any last remnants of Celtic influence, and eventually proper Roman troops can be recruited from there.

For reasons that have already been stated by myself and others, attacking Carthage now is a foolish decision. We can profit far more from trading with them than fighting them. The proposal to expand to the east also strikes me as unwise. Any attempt to expand into Greece would require a massive buildup of forces, including constructing an expensive fleet, and probably multiple legions. We would have to fight Epeiros, which, judging from Senator Dentatus' report, seems to be quite powerful. If we did conquer Epeiros, that would just bring us into conflict with more powers- Makedonia, the Greek city states, and vicious Thracian tribes. We have made peace with Epeiros, and they no longer pose any threat to us. For now we should be content to trade with them.

I propose we turn our legions to the north, where they can bring the fertile Po Valley under the control of Rome. The savages defending it are fierce and wild, but they are neither numerous nor united. The trading center of Bononia is an ideal place to attack."

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius Aurelaus Cotta stands.

"Dear men of Rome! It is good to hear of victory. It will show the world that we Romans are full of Honor and will not tolerate traitors. Now, I believe we should watch carthage in sicily, but not attack it. Let them try to attack those Mammertines. King Heiro of Syrakousai will not allow them to conquer him and it would definitely take them many years to control those cities.

If the senators are worried about carthaginian expansion into italy, let us post a legion around Rhegion to defend it.

Now, let us consider taking the cities of the Po valley. Segesta, Bononia, Patavium are all great targets to expand and allow Roman law to subside there. As for Eporites, it is too early to tell what path we might need to take."

Sits down.

[johnhughthom]

Dentatus rises once more.

Well it seems the will of the Senate is to conquer the Gauls to the north. The only sensible choice, it is good to see reason and good sense win out. The only problem I see is that most of you distrust our Punic allies and want to leave a Legion near Rhegion, that leaves us with only one Legion left to assault the Gauls, not enough in my view and I would actually go as far as to say it would be suicidal to attack with it alone. The people will not stomach the raising of another Legion unless we give something back.

One of my house rules is I start with two Legions and they are disbanded after sixteen years and new ones raised. Each time I add one more Legion, it helps keep the game interesting and makes your choices more important and make blitzing almost impossible(especially since I don't retrain either). My proposal for raising a new Legion would be we have to reduce taxes to low across the board to simulate keeping the populace subdued, and they can't be raised until the "extra" legion is disbanded.

I ask you, do we really need to keep a Legion in the south? Taras and Rhegion have the ability to raise emergency troops in the event of a Punic betrayal and I have no reason to expect such a move. In fact I would be flabbergasted if they did, they have as much reason as us to keep cordial relations, the trade between us enriches us both.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza Perpana Stands once more:

"Men of the Senate, I beeseech you. Do not wage war with Carthage, as senator Quintius Livius, and myself, have said: Carthage is not one to be messed with. The effects will be catastrophic, and Denatus, won't a war with Carthage cost more legions, than a campaign with Greece? The greek people, are not rebbellious. They will require little "Reassurence" once we have captured their cities, seen what good roman steel can do to a greek warrior, and (if it need come to this) watched their brethren enslaved. If the intelligence is to be believed, than a war with Epiroes is needed. The Epirotes, have supposedly subdueded the Illyrians before, thus, an attck with them can mean only one thing, they wish to make Illyria a client kingdom under their rule so they may reap the benifits of the Illyrians raiding our coast. No, this is not to suppress piracy, it is to endorse it. On the matter of the "two great kingdoms", they should not be worried about. The Seluicids are indeed allied with the Macedonians, and the Ptolomaics with the Greeks, but they are nothing. The Seluicids are to busy with problems of thier own. Are they not at war with the Ptolomaics? They also have to deal with the fledgling kingdoms of Hayasdan, and Pontus, and lets not forget the rebellious Bactrians. The Ptolomaics, are of even less worry. They are allied with Epiroes and The Greek Coallition, but they have little-to-no-influence. The last of thier overseas holdings ( in Asia minor mind you) is under threat from the Seluicids, and their only hopes for expansion, are north into Seluicid territory, and east...into our allies, the Carthaginians. If we are lucky the Ptolomaics will expand in both directions, and tire themselves, the Seluicids, and the Carthaginians out. Then, and only then will a war with Carthage be acceptable. Now, On the matter of Ariminium, I believe that we should make them directly under roman rule, lest the should rebel. That is all. "

Anrza sits again, feeling lucky.


EDIT: Dangit post came to late

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius stands agian,

"Then it is settled. Both legions should march on Bononia, or Segesta. Whichever Dentatus seems fit. There will be no new Legion as this will be too much for the populace to bear. 2 legions is more than enough."

[johnhughthom]

Dangit post came to late

And it was such a nice post too.:laugh4:

Don't worry about it, it's nice too have someone press for something different. You just have to convince the other Senators it's a good idea now. A few bribes maybe...

[Ghaust the Moor]

And it was such a nice post too.:laugh4:

Don't worry about it, it's nice too have someone press for something different. You just have to convince the other Senators it's a good idea now. A few bribes maybe...
Hahahah. I tend to always go against the majority. My ideas just seem to roll that way :laugh4: I mean they make sense in my head.

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 484 AUC.

The Senate building is strangely quiet despite being full, the death of Dentatus three months ago has left them without an obvious figurehead Nobody has the authority or courage to stand up and take control of the session. Eventually a former Consul by the name of Lucius Cornelius Nervi takes the stand.

Men of Rome, the past year has seen our control of Rhegion pass onto locals loyal to Rome. We are in total control of the new settlement in Ariminium and a Legion there guards the passes from the north. The second Legion is marching north as we speak to join with their fellows and assault the town of Bononia, Dentatus believed that was were the savages who raided our farms came from. The information on our rivals is sketchy, Carthage has not attempted a new assault on Messana, the Epirotes failed to take Dalminion but we know little else. Perhaps we should think of a way to keep on top of what is happening around us?

Nervi sits once again

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building Rome, 485 AUC.


Nervi once again faces the Senate.

Both Legions are now encamped without the walls of Bononia, there is a sizable force within but we outnumber them and it is unlikely they will face us unless they have no other choice. The Consul believes it unlikely they will sally this year and an assault would bring grievous losses so we play the waiting game.


The Senate Building Rome, 486 AUC.

The Senate hums with the noise of a hundred conversations. Nervi is about to rise when a messenger rushes into the building and hands him a note. Nervi reads it and smiles.

Senators, the Gallic raiders from Bononia have been pacified. They tried a surprise attack and were destroyed, the town is now under Roman control. Cadwalador, the chieftan who ordered the raids on our farms, is in Roman hands awaiting justice. It shows the idiocy of these barbarians that they tried to attack a Roman force twice the size of their own.
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As I said they tried to catch us by surprise and were almost upon us as we were still getting into position.
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Our skirmishers were able to repulse the first attack and the battle was a foregone conclusion from then. There were a number of those naked devils from Hades we have heard stories of, it seems those stories are true and these men really are superhuman, they were surrounded and cut down though, Roman farmers are more than a match for devils it would seem.
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After they were gone it was little more than a mopping up session.
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There are still Gallic tribes in the region we will need to pacify, Segesta to the west, home to the Ligurians and Patavium to the north east. There is also Mediolanium to the north west, under a tribe of the Aedui confederation. Which brings me to my next point, Gauls love to fight. They will fight other peoples if they can, but they are more than happy to fight each other. I am told the Gauls over the mountains are embroiled in a bitter civil war. Why then should Romans die fighting Gauls, shouldn't we encourage them to fight each other? Apart from the Aedui the other major confederation is the Arverni, I believe we should seek to ally with one or the other. My personal preference would be the Aedui, the Arverni believe their King to be a living God. Could we really do business with such superstitious fools? The problem with allying with the Aedui is they hold Mediolanium, I believe a "cash donation" would convince them to hand the area over to us. It would also allow them to engage further in their civil war. As always though the way forward is up to you men of Rome, I only seek to enlighten you and ease your difficult choices.

[penguinking]

Quintus Livius Postumus speaks.

"Excellent news about the siege of Bononia. Once order has been established in that region, our legions should turn west to Segesta. The Ligurians are isolated and should fall easily to our forces.

I agree that a temporary alliance with one of the savage Gallic tribes may be beneficial. I believe we must ally with the Arverni, however. The Aedui are allied with the Insubres who control Mediolanum, a region that we must capture if we are to unite all of Italia. Therefore, war with the Aedui seems inevitable, so we should ally with the Arverni. I reject the proposal that we "buy" Mediolanum. Have you become as soft as the Punics, Nervi? Rome does not claim territory, especially not from savages, by gold and bribes, but by fire and steel. This is the Roman way."

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius nods in agreement with Quintus,

"Here here to Victory! Let us show those pesky barbarians the true might of the roman army. As to what we should do next, well I believe Segesta is a perfect target. ... Upon allying with one of the Gauls, I think it to be foolish. Why should we help one get an upper hand? So they can get stronger and become a fly on a hot day for us? Nay! Let they raid and kill eachother, and who ever is the victor, shall be weakened after fighting so long, that will be when we step in. ROMA INVICTA!"

[mini]

Meh, I would join, but as you can see in my signature, I'm fully loaded on PBM's.
People should check the roman one in my sig if they like what's going on here.

Which is basically the bigger version of this concept, as people can actually take control of a FM.
But i'll pop in from time to time, GL

[johnhughthom]

Nervi looks at Postumus with distain.


I know the Roman way, I simply try to present to you all the options we have before us. It appears we are divided, half of us believe we should involve ourselves in Gallic politics others see that as beneath us. At least we can agree we need to strengthern our position in the north. I will inform the Consuls the Senate wishes Segesta to under Roman control. Our long term stance with the divided Gallic tribes can wait

[Karo]

Nervi looks at Postumus with distain.


I know the Roman way, I simply try to present to you all the options we have before us. It appears we are divided, half of us believe we should involve ourselves in Gallic politics others see that as beneath us. At least we can agree we need to strengthern our position in the north. I will inform the Consuls the Senate wishes Segesta to under Roman control. Our long term stance with the divided Gallic tribes can wait

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up
"It's wise to decide not to meddle in the affairs of the Barbarians let them kill each other we need to wait our chance and strike them when the time comes. And can some one tell me how the economics are going in the republic."

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza Perperna Stands:


"I agree with Marcus Rufus. The Barbarians are beneath us. Let them kill each other off, and then strike when one is weakend from the fight. The position to the north should be be fortified, as to protect in case the Gauls attack, but I believe that that is not likely. They are proud and quick to temper, so fighting amongst themselves is enevitable. (spelling?)"

Arnza sits again.


*Boo yeah first post!*

[penguinking]

Quintus Livius Postumus speaks.

"The rest of the senate has convinced me- allying with the Gauls is unnecessary, so long as a rough balance of power is maintained in Gaul. We don't want any tribe to become too powerful. Unless there appears to be an immediate danger of that happening, there is no need to ally with these barbarians."

[the man with no name]

(Julius Ceaser stands)

Let us take over the towns of Segesta and Patavium, for i feel our legions are up to the task. Then we will have the entire italian peninsula under our control.

(sits down)

[johnhughthom]

Sorry, guys my Steam went belly up so I had to reinstall everything from scratch and lost the saves for this. I have an idea though, I uploaded a save to filefront months ago from my Romani AAR, it's 240 BC with the whole of the Italian Peninsula, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Massalia under Roman control. I have literally no proper armies so the make up of Legions could be up for discussion as well as foreign policy. Basically my AAR had the previous Legions wiped out by Gauls so we could roleplay from there.
You can keep the same character, just use what happened before as a test run. Let me know what you all think and sorry once again, bloody Steam...:shame: You know I have had literally dozens of EB campaigns and the only time I ever get any problems is when I try an AAR, I think I'm cursed.

[Ghaust the Moor]

I don't think it makes much of a difference. Just forget all of what happended previously, and we can act like we are a newly elected senate and are building upon the choices already made by the previous senate (you)

[johnhughthom]

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/0001-1.jpg

There is a shot of the world and we have over half a million in the bank, so money isn't a problem. It's 240BC, Gauls have wiped out the entire Roman army, Ligurians guard all the Alpine passes but that is all we have. Polybian barracks are being built, it will be two years before they are ready. Southern Italy and Sicily can give us Greek auxilaries, northern Italy Gallic auxilaries. Cotta, the starting character, is current Consul (and triumpher over the Carthaginians) and the two Scipios are still alive but that is all we have in terms of good generals. The First Punic War went pretty much according to history. We should discuss how our new Legions should be made up, also what allies we should us. How many Legions will we need? Should we seek revenge against the Gauls or look elsewhere?

This may be better actually, more room for roleplay now. Starting in 272 doesn't really give you many options. If it wasn't for the fact I have to download Empire again I may have said Steam steaming out on me wasn't such a bad thing.

[Vasiliyi]

Varinius Glabrus stands to address the senate.

"My dear senators. We may have lost a great deal of men in Gaul, but we are not defeated. That said, I believe we should stay clear of Gaul at all costs. The land there is pitiful and they are an extremely ferocious people, they will not be easy to subjegate. Perhaps, we can turn our attention to Spain? Many a merchants have returned from there praising the land with its rich minerals full of gold and silver.

Upon building our needed barracks I think we should definatly create 3 legion.

Legio I
Stationed in Sicily
1 polybian equites
1 hastati
1 princepe
1 trarii

Legio II
Stationed in Mediolanum, to defend us from marauding gauls.
2 Hastati
2 Princepe
1 Trarii
1 Equite,
Possibly some regional troops such as the ligurians.

Legio III
Our marching army, which is to be sent at our enemies
4 hastati
4 princepe
2 Trarii
1 equites
1 Pedites extrodinarri
1 Gen
(as many regionals as needed)

This ofcourse my senators is up to debate, and my claims are not to be taken against me.

(sorry for long post)

[Ghaust the Moor]

Anrza stands to make himself heard:


"I second the motion concerning the matter of the gauls and the legions. But I must disagree with the idea of conquering spain. It is indeed a rich land, but if we attack we will be dealing with more barbarians. And even if we manage to conquer all of Iberia, we will still have to deal with the gauls to the north. We will also be forced to recruit, many more legions to keep the Gauls at bay. I feel we will be over extending ourselves. We should, however, attack across the Adriatic at the dalmatian coast. It is only ruled by a few petty kingdoms and should be no problem to subjugate with one legion."


Arnza sits, having completed his first speech as a senator.

[Vasiliyi]

Varinius Glabrus stands agian, giving Anrza a look.

"One legion to conquer the Balkans? Are you mad? I tell you my friend, I fear nothing, but the phalanxes of the diodachi are powerful and it will take many years and men to subjugate them. Instead, why don't we take 2 legions to Spain, attack them from 2 different directions and force them under our yoke. One smaller legion can be posted between Gaul and Spain to defend it. I see no problem here."


(not being a jerk here, just roleplaying)

[johnhughthom]

(not being a jerk here, just roleplaying)

Jerkiness is positively encouraged in this AAR.
There are an awful lot of these interactive AARs now, maybe too many.

[the man with no name]

Jerkiness is positively encouraged in this AAR.
There are an awful lot of these interactive AARs now, maybe too many.
You maybe right

Varinius Glabrus stands agian, giving Anrza a look.

"One legion to conquer the Balkans? Are you mad? I tell you my friend, I fear nothing, but the phalanxes of the diodachi are powerful and it will take many years and men to subjugate them. Instead, why don't we take 2 legions to Spain, attack them from 2 different directions and force them under our yoke. One smaller legion can be posted between Gaul and Spain to defend it. I see no problem here."



Varinius Glabrus stands to address the senate.

"My dear senators. We may have lost a great deal of men in Gaul, but we are not defeated. That said, I believe we should stay clear of Gaul at all costs. The land there is pitiful and they are an extremely ferocious people, they will not be easy to subjegate. Perhaps, we can turn our attention to Spain? Many a merchants have returned from there praising the land with its rich minerals full of gold and silver.

Upon building our needed barracks I think we should definatly create 3 legion.

Legio I
Stationed in Sicily
1 polybian equites
1 hastati
1 princepe
1 trarii

Legio II
Stationed in Mediolanum, to defend us from marauding gauls.
2 Hastati
2 Princepe
1 Trarii
1 Equite,
Possibly some regional troops such as the ligurians.

Legio III
Our marching army, which is to be sent at our enemies
4 hastati
4 princepe
2 Trarii
1 equites
1 Pedites extrodinarri
1 Gen
(as many regionals as needed)

This ofcourse my senators is up to debate, and my claims are not to be taken against me.


"I second this notion except to maybe have a couple more units in Legio I and Legio II, in case there is a more suprising force sent against us."

[Karo]

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up
"I agree with the plan for the legions, but the idea to attack the Balkans with one legion is stupid. Do you want to sacrifice our men for nothing. Is this what you want? And I think we should attack Spain and conquer it. Those lands are very rich and those mines will be a very great help when we are going to attack Hellas and conquer it."

Sits back down

[Vasiliyi]

Varinius Glabrus stands once more, smiling with his success.

"Thank you senators for supporting me. Anrza, the will of the senate and your will seems to not match. Greece would be too difficult to subjegate, surely you see this now?" Turning to the julius, "My dear friend, what do we have to fear from sicily? The legion should remain small, It will help us save money, and yet we can call a large number of troops from the Peninsula at a moments notice. We have no notion of rebellion, and there seems to be no one capable of attacking it by see, as such an endaever would be very costly." This time he turns to the man in charge of Rome "My dear man, you failed to mention what our relations with Kart-Hadast are. Are they still angry with our expansion into their sphere? Or are they willing to accept trade with us again? I think Trade right, if we don't have them, should definately be pursued."

Smiles at all the Senators, and sits.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Anrza stands again

"It appears the senate misunderstood me. I have no intention of conquering greece, or the balkans for that matter. I speak of capturing the dalmatian coast. This will finally rid us of those Illyrian pirates and will allow us a sutable launching point with which to attack the greeks at a future date. I don't think conquering greece would be a sutable thing to do right now. We should focus on extending our power south, and fortifying our position to the north."

Anrza sits once more.

[johnhughthom]

This time he turns to the man in charge of Rome.

There isn't really anybody in charge of Rome, at times I will try to have people with enough "gravitas" to dominate the Senate and use as a focal point but he won't actually be "in charge."
Sorry if I have neglected this the last few days I have been busy in work, (will be for another week :furious3:) I intend to try to get it up and running over the next few days. Some of you may have noticed I resurrected my old Romani AAR, I will run it concurrently with this from the same save. Don't worry though, the decisions you guys make will stick, I won't do things to suit the other AAR (who knows some of your characters may get into "Life of a Roman" or my character from that may appear here).





The Senate Building Rome, 412 AUC.


The Senate is it's usual noisy self, Senators talk, argue, complain and shout amongst each other. All that is missing is laughter, there has been precious little of that in Rome lately. The noise ceases almost instantly as two men stride into the building. "I thought they were still in Massalia!" one Senator exclaims, shocked to see them here. The two men talk lightly, the younger man gestures to the other to take the rostrum, "No, you are Consul. You go." The younger man nods and takes to the stand. He looks around the building and Caius Aurelius Cotta, hero of Rome, triumpher over Carthage addresses his peers.

"Senators, on the way to the Senate I spoke to some friends regarding what has gone one here, it seems there is wisdom but little leadership. Scipio and I have returned to Rome to try to help you lead us out of this dark chapter in our history. There are decisions we have to make, difficult choices to overcome, but we will overcome.
Scipio and I have spoken at length about the make up of our legions, did some weakness help lead to the Disaster? We believe the Legions must be uniform, Legio I must be the same as Legio IV, our allies we can pick and choose but part of our success has been a general can take any Legion and he will know what he has. Unfortunately Scipio and I don't agree on how the Legions should be made up. I prefer to have Legions in pairs, each has 1 Accensii, 1 Velites, 1 Hastati and 1 Principe with 1 Triarii shared between them, the ranking man will take the Triarii if they split forces. Scipio prefers a Legion to be 1 Accensii, 2 Velites, 2 Hastati, 2 Principe and 1 Triarii. You my friends need to decide whether Rome implements the Cottan Legion or the Scipione Legion. We also fail to agree on how many we will need, I feel four he feels three. In terms of were they are stationed we agree one needs to remain in Sicily, our client rulers there are getting old. Progression to a new government can be upsetting to a populace so a Legion will need to maintain order. As to where the other go that will be down to yourselves.
So then I propose each man states whether he prefers the Cottan or Scipione Legion, how many we need and how we send them out, of course for the next few years they will need to stay in Italy to keep order in these dark times. Please feel free to suggest alternatives to our proposals, as Senators of Rome we are sure you will not be shy about doing so"

[Ghaust the Moor]

Anrza stands to address the senate.

"Much apologies consul, but I feel that the Scipione legion is the best fit for our uses.The consuls choice is a very weak force and if a large enough enemy attacks, we will suffer. I believe we should go with four legions, like the consul suggested however. This will allow for quicker expansion, and give us more of a chance at victory. I feel that one legion should sail for Dalmion and crush the pirates. Then the other two legions will expand north into Gaul. At the first available moment the first legion will rejoin the second and third. Now, those are my thoughts on the matter. Please let me know if I misunderstood anything. (I think I did)"

Senator Perperna sits once more.

[johnhughthom]

Just to clarify, I personally use the "Cottan Legion" for my Polybian forces as I feel the "Scipione" style makes the game too easy. I also only ever use FMs as my Roman cavalry, I have never, and hope I never will, purchased any Equites, disbanding the starting equites is always my first move in a Romani campaign. Of course if your Senators feel we need equites feel free to propose it, just don't expect me to use them well!
As I mentioned before my Polybian barracks are two year away, so I will roleplay the Legions were raised but just stayed in Italy. Keeping a Legion in Sicily is also not required gameplay wise, but I generally like to RP Legions peacekeeping in a region as it keeps you from blitzing.



Scipio rises to address Anrza,

"My friend I don't know you but yours is one of the voices of wisdom Cotta mentioned we were told of on our arrival back in Rome. I have to say, though, the idea of sending men into Gaul is a foolhardy one. We have just had the greatest setback in the history of Rome, caused by expanding into Gaul without due care. I have loyal people in Massalia forging ties with the Gauls. They don't trust us, nor should they, but we need to think long term. Rushing headlong into an attack on Gaul didn't work before so why would it work now? Rome will have her revenge on the Gauls, perhaps not in my lifetime but it wll come. I foresee a day when every living Gaul will live under the banner of the SPQR. That day will come my friends, but not through rash actions only through acting on the knowledge it will take years to obtain. My Ligurian men guarding the alpine passes have mentioned word of another group of men slowly spreading toward the mountains, the Germans they are called and they make the Gauls look positively civilized. I fear these men will be our worry in the next few years, not the Gauls.
As for your other ideas, certainly moving into the Illyrians provinces could be a good idea and not only to punish those pirates. I have heard stories of the mines in the region. Interesting stories. Of course we have all heard the same stories about Hispania, so it seems to me one of those should be our objective. Illyria will bring us into the Hellene sphere of influence, Hispania the Punic. I believe war is inevitable in either theatre but personally lean toward sending our forces west to Hispania."

[Ghaust the Moor]

Alright. Thanks for that.


Anrza stands to revoice his answers:


"Consul, I have had a change of heart. I see the error of my plan and, after mulling it over, have decided that the Cottan legion would better suit our plans. Attacking Gaul is, as I now see, a wrong choice. I do maintain to attack Illyria however. I think it has much value, economicly and stratigicly. It will give us a foothold with which to launch a counter-attack on the hellenes, lest they attack. I think attacking spain is over extending ourselves though. If we suffer a major defeat to the carthaginians, we will not be able to get reinforcements there in time to help. Thus said, I feel we set three legions off for Illyria, while one maintains itself in sicily. "


Arnza sits.

[johnhughthom]

I'm perfectly happy to go with the Scipione style if that's what the Senate wants, I only mentioned it to let you now what my personal play style is. I have a lot of houserules, not all of them good for an AAR. Part of the reasoning behind this is to actually have a different experience with my Romani campaign, so please, don't be afraid to stick to your guns if I disagree with something you say! :2thumbsup:

[Ghaust the Moor]

I'm perfectly happy to go with the Scipione style if that's what the Senate wants, I only mentioned it to let you now what my personal play style is. I have a lot of houserules, not all of them good for an AAR. Part of the reasoning behind this is to actually have a different experience with my Romani campaign, so please, don't be afraid to stick to your guns if I disagree with something you say! :2thumbsup:Well, it just that, this way, there can be more in the future, and they will be cheaper than with the Scipione. And when you said you don't like blitzing, the larger forces are more useful for that, and since you don't do that, you don't need to waste money. I didn't think about that until after you said those things.

[Vasiliyi]

Once again, Varinius stands to attack Anrza,

"My dear senators, I have finally figured out why this man, (pointing at Anrza) wants to attack the dalmation coast! Its those pretty greek boys he misses! (there is a uproar of laughter and muttering in the crowd) Well rest assured, Anrza, I will go out and buy you one of those greek boys this very day, and you desire to attack the hellenes will subside, as you, well, get to know the boy. (more laughter) Now, to be serious, let us consider the matter at hand. Spain, full of barbarians which can be subjegated and enslaved. Their mines are more plentiful that the balkans, and would be easier to defend. If we attack dalmatia, on the other hand, this will cause tensions to rise not only between Eperios, but makedonia, and the Koinon hellen. Not to mention, they are not "petty kindoms" but are truly growing kindoms. They have phalanxes, and many consripts that would make attacking them, very painful."
He looks at Scipio and Cotta and addresses them.

"Great saviors of Rome! How good of you all to come to this meeting and speak some sense into these men, myself including. I have to favor the scipoan legion as it will give us not only a numeric advantage over our enemy, but would also be flexible in its plans. If, lets say there are 2 forces threatening us, The Scipionan legion can split up and equal the same strength as the Cottian. Gentlemen, our coffers are overflowing, why shall we be scimpy on our defence? Thank you all for listening"

Varinius sits down and chuckles to himself, remembering his joke.


P.S. Dude, i dont mean to offend you, just rping. I would actually prefer if we argued a bit, and not always agreed. makes things interesting. :clown:

[the man with no name]

Julius Ceaser stands

"Consul, i would have to favor the Scipioan legion becacause aas said before, it gives us a numerical advantage but i also feel we require 4 legions, 1 for sicily 2 for spain and 1 for defense against Gauls."

sits down




Once again, Varinius stands to attack Anrza,

"My dear senators, I have finally figured out why this man, (pointing at Anrza) wants to attack the dalmation coast! Its those pretty greek boys he misses! (there is a uproar of laughter and muttering in the crowd) Well rest assured, Anrza, I will go out and buy you one of those greek boys this very day, and you desire to attack the hellenes will subside, as you, well, get to know the boy. (more laughter) Now, to be serious, let us consider the matter at hand. Spain, full of barbarians which can be subjegated and enslaved. Their mines are more plentiful that the balkans, and would be easier to defend. If we attack dalmatia, on the other hand, this will cause tensions to rise not only between Eperios, but makedonia, and the Koinon hellen. Not to mention, they are not "petty kindoms" but are truly growing kindoms. They have phalanxes, and many consripts that would make attacking them, very painful."
He looks at Scipio and Cotta and addresses them.

"Great saviors of Rome! How good of you all to come to this meeting and speak some sense into these men, myself including. I have to favor the scipoan legion as it will give us not only a numeric advantage over our enemy, but would also be flexible in its plans. If, lets say there are 2 forces threatening us, The Scipionan legion can split up and equal the same strength as the Cottian. Gentlemen, our coffers are overflowing, why shall we be scimpy on our defence? Thank you all for listening"

Varinius sits down and chuckles to himself, remembering his joke.


P.S. Dude, i dont mean to offend you, just rping. I would actually prefer if we argued a bit, and not always agreed. makes things interesting. :clown:


Love this (lol) I imagine 'What is love' playing in the backround or maybe 'Never gonna give you up'

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza stands and glares at Varinius


"Oh, Varinius. Now such insults have no place in the senate. But since you all are on the subject of questioning my sexuality, Varinius...Don't even get us started about yours (The Senate chuckles). I am sure all of us have heard about the fiasco with you and the Gallic boy, Lugotorix was his name? Tis a shame...He'll never be able to go home a man again. (The Senate laughs erupt again). Now, back to the matter at hand. My personal feelings on the matter, concerning the legions is this. The Consul should decide. He is the one who will be leading them, and thus he should decide. We are not the ones who will be commanding it. Every Consul should be able to reform the legions as he sees fit.

Arnza sits again, happy with his jest.

(The reason I was thinking that, is so it will be like a reform every time you get a new Consul)

[Vasiliyi]

Varinius smiles, standing up looking at Anrza,

"Oh yes, but can we ever call those Gauls men? I thought they were beasts. Anyways, If we give that much power to the consul, won't we see that the legions will begin to serve them, and not the senate?"

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building, Rome. 245 AUC.

Lucius Cornelius Scipio arrives to address the Senate.


Friends, it seems our enforced exile from world affairs is ready to end. The Legions are once again confident enough to take on the world, the Gallic Disaster will go down as a blip in Rome's inexorable rise to world domination. In the three years since the loss of our Legions you men here have shown wisdom and leadership, choosing the Scipione style of Legion and choosing to increase our forces will no doubt be viewed by history as a wise choice.
Legio I is currently stationed in Sicily, it will continue peacekeeping operations and ensure the grain is despatched safely. Legio II is in northern Italia. The Gallic horde who slaughtered our Ligurian watchmen and dared to seige the city of Mediolanium fled without a fight when Cotta arrived. If I may add, in a moment of fatherly pride, my son, Numerius, is acting as legate to Cotta. Learning from the best, I have no doubt he will be leading Romes Legion's himself someday. Legio III and IV are awaiting orders. The consensus seems to be Spain, and sending two Legions there. I would like to take this moment to second Senator Arnza's proposal we take the Dalmation coast. I have changed my mind that Hispania is the superior point to send our Legions. The reason? Simple, I believe we need two Legions in northern Italia. I am told the Gauls are getting restless and my sources suggest Germanic tribes are moving south. That would only leave one Legion, not enough for an expedition to Hispania but surely enough to pacify some pirates. As always the choice is yours my friends, it seems you all wish to find the truth in the rumours of gold in the west, my role is to advise and inform not to decide.

One more thing I would like your input on is the allies we should bring with our Legions. You are all experienced men, who have you fought with that impressed you? Who didn't impress you? Are there any weaknesses in our forces certain allies can cover for? Legio II has a medium sized allied contingent:https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/0000-1.jpgsome gallic slingers, some greek skirmisher, a number of hoplites from Massalia, gallic spearmen, Illyrian scum and Campanian cavalry. Our other allies need to be determined. I prefer not to hire mercs unless I have RPing reason, eg the Massalian allies, as it takes them away from the AI. Which needs all the help it can get. If you feel there are certain mercs worthwhile though I will hire them. Quite partial to Cretan Archers and Balearic Slingers myself.

Some of you have asked about our political and financial status. We are allied with the Lusotannan tribe in Hispania, that alliance must be considered in any attempt to move into that region. Also the Arverni Gallic tribe, they are in a civil war with the Aedui, who we believe perpetrated the Gallic disaster. Perhaps funding these men would leave us free to concentrate on other spheres, let the barabarians fight each other. Finally we are also allied with a confederation of Germanic tribes, we hope this is of help with the tribes moving south but it may not be enough to hold them over the mountains. I believe I forgot to answer a question on our status with Carthage, we do indeed have trade rights with them, this was part of the terms of their surrender. We should also consider this when we contemplate future actions, the main reason for our financial situation is the generous trading terms we negotiated with them. The Punic conflict was started over an insult to Rome's honour, unless they threaten us in some way in the future I see no reason to seek conflict again. We also have trading agreements with all the major nations.
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Our financial position is very healthy, even the fortune we spent rebuilding and re-equipping our army has had little effect on the states income. We will easily be able to afford a four Legion army, and our navy of two Trireme fleets and one Quadrime fleet can also be afforded. In fact we may look to upgrade our Triremes to Quadririmes, the difference we saw in the Punic conflict was immense.
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Thank you for your time gentlemen, I leave you to your deliberations.

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow, that's a lot of cash :dizzy: Let's see how this will turn out :yes: And no, I won't flame you. I promised the Nice Fairy I will be a good marionette, then maybe she'll turn me into a boy.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

I know it's been mentioned before but anybody following this and liking the concept should check out BtSH https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=264 a Romani PBM. It's basically like this except you pick an actual in game character and debate and make decisions in the forum then act it out in EB. There is a lot of opportunity for fun roleplaying. They are really struggling for players and it would be a shame to see it die.

[Karo]

I know it's been mentioned before but anybody following this and liking the concept should check out BtSH https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=264 a Romani PBM. It's basically like this except you pick an actual in game character and debate and make decisions in the forum then act it out in EB. There is a lot of opportunity for fun roleplaying. They are really struggling for players and it would be a shame to see it die.

I would like to join but don't really have the time to play the game.

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up
"I believe we should put more pressure on the Gallic front, and what do the senators think about going and conquering the rich lands of Iberia and getting all those mines under our command."

[Vasiliyi]

Varinius hears talk about Iberia and stands once again.

"Your words are wise my friend, Marcus. Iberia is where the gold is, and I think it would be appropriate for us to. Conquer it. Ofcourse the decision is within the senates vote, not our speeches. What do you say gentlemen? Shall we put it up to a vote? Yay or nay? Shall we conquer the Iberian provinces and live off the fat of the land? Or shall we sqauble in greece, fighting off endless hordes of greek phalanxes for a small peice of lands? What do you say my wise friends."

[Ghaust the Moor]

Anrza stands to vote.

"As Scipio has stated, we will have one legion, this will not be enough to conquer Iberia. I vote nay, on this account. I think going to Iberia is just another chance for Varinius to get himself another barbarian boy. (Senate chuckles)"


Anrza sits with a smirk.

(Just Rping, nuthin personal)

[Ghaust the Moor]

I know it's been mentioned before but anybody following this and liking the concept should check out BtSH https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=264 a Romani PBM. It's basically like this except you pick an actual in game character and debate and make decisions in the forum then act it out in EB. There is a lot of opportunity for fun roleplaying. They are really struggling for players and it would be a shame to see it die.

I signed up, but I have no idea what is going on, with all this talk of shutting down. I think pretty much, It's suspended until they decide what to do.

(sorry bout double posting)

[johnhughthom]

Scipio stands once again,

Friends it seems we are divided on this issue, going to Hispania will require two Legions, any less is madness. That would leave one for peace keeping in Sicily and one for watching for Gallic incursions so putting pressure on the Gauls would not be an option. If we are to attack Hispania it must have our full attention, and we need to remember we are on friendly terms with the Lusotannan tribe. I ask you all then to say yay or nay on whether we go to Hispania.

The hero of the Punic Conflict sits.

[the man with no name]

Ceaser stands

I say nay, because the Lusotana Confederation will get suspicious and might go to war with us. I say we go to the Dalmatian coast so Anrza can get more greek boys. (senate chuckles) No just so we can stop the piracy and get some mines from there too.




Just rping nothing personal.

[johnhughthom]

I think we all know that any insults in this are only rping and shouldn't be taken personally, I don't think there is a need to mention it every time we insult someone. We aren't mocking the actual forum goer, just his in-game character, if anybody gets offended just insult him more. :2thumbsup:

[johnhughthom]

Scipio stands to address the Senate, he is well over 60 now and looking his age. Surely he has seen the last of active service in the name of Rome.

Well gentlemen of the Senate, it seems you are split 50/50 on how we should go forward.
the man with no name and ghaust want Illyria, Vasiliyi and Karo want Spain
I guess if we cannot unite and give the Consuls sound advice on what we wish to achieve we will be at the mercy of their own ambition and greed. We all know where that has gotten us in the past. Cotta in the north has the Gauls in check, perhaps his single Legion will be enough and we have two spare to advance our goals. If anybody has any bright ideas now is the time to let us know, we have no goals, no purpose. We are a nation in limbo, the next few years will see our armies subject to the whims of men with a short period of time to gain fortune and glory. That is something which can lead to reckless actions.

Scipio sits, years of service to Rome obviously having taken their toll on him. Is their anybody with the strength of personality to rise and take the burden of responsibilty off the two veterans of the Punic conflict?

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza Stands:

" I don't feel we are divided. Scipio, does your word not influence the desicion? Souldn't he be allowed to vote on this matter? Are you not a Tribune? (OOC honestly not sure) I move that, Scipio, should be allowed to vote on this matter."


Arnza raises his hand and sits. His chest has begun to ache.

[johnhughthom]

Scipio rises wearily

Indeed, Arnza my friend, I have already voted. I could perhaps use my influence and that of Cotta to get my own way, but that would hardly be very Roman now would it? I would be no better than one of those Greek tyrants like Pyrrhos. No, I am an old man now, I have no desire to bend Rome to my will. Only to help the Senate agree. We seem divided down the middle on this unfortunately, we may need to place our fates in the hands of the Gods.


I am trying to play this so each of your characters actually represents a block of the Senate we don't hear from, so Scipio's vote wouldn't actually be that important in the grand scheme of things.

I have a few days off work so hopefully I'll get an update up tomorrow.

[Karo]

"Senators on the dalmatian coast there is nothing more than Greek boys, and i don't like boys like some of you here. But I promise you if you support my idea to attack Iberia and conquer it we can get enough gold so we'll can train an couple of more legions and go east and get the greek boys for Anrza."

[the man with no name]

"Senators on the dalmatian coast there is nothing more than Greek boys, and i don't like boys like some of you here. But I promise you if you support my idea to attack Iberia and conquer it we can get enough gold so we'll can train an couple of more legions and go east and get the greek boys for Anrza."


Ceaser stands

" I'm as straight as stylus so don't think i'm homosexual, unlike some people i know..."
:clown:

[johnhughthom]

The Senate Building, Rome 247 AUC.

Scipio addresses the Senate,

Brothers news from the Legions. Legio I guards our grain supplies in Sicily, Legio II watches our northern borders for barbarian incursions. Legio III has taken the Illyrian city of Segestica, giving us control of the north of Illyria. My son is acting as Legate to the Consul and I have just received a letter from him outlining the assault on the city. The Senator lined his forces for battle in a conventional fashion, Illyrian levies and Sardinian allies manned the battering rams which knocked down the gate and wall on the western side.
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Gallic and Italic slingers, joined by the Sardinians when the walls fell, kept a constant hail of missile fire on the defenders which killed one quarter of the enemy. Gallic spearmen were then sent in to gain a foothold in the city, they met with almost the entire enemy force in a small open area and held them there for hours before the Hastati moved in.
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The defenders had most of their army on one side of the open area and the Consul thought they had made a mistake and concentrated his forces on the weak half, trying to break through and surround the enemy. The opposing general was no fool however and had kept reserves, just as the enemy were about to break at the weak point they were reinforced and we had to withdraw our exhausted Hastati and bring up the Principes. More heavy fighting followed until we broke through what he had originally felt to be their strong point and surrounded the reinforcements. The Principes wrapped up the enemy and withdrew from the city which still had a small enemy force defending the town square. The Pedites Extraordinarii moved in with our Campanian cavalry and, after brutal fighting, took the city. Our losses amongst our allies were grievous, though few citizens fell and the city is firmly under our control.

The Consul in command of Legio IV has taken his army to Crete, he claims that taking the island will give us an advantage in any war in mainland Greece. I think he wishes to claim a kingdom for himself. Let's see if he returns when his command is up, or will he rebel against Roman authority. I have little information on his movements but I believe he has reached the island and is currently beseiging the main settlement. I am told the Spartan have an interest in the territory and may well have forces there at present, which could lead us into conflict with the Hellenic Alliance. This is not a situation any of us wished for I am sure, and shows what problems can arise when the Senate is not together showing a united will.

If I hear any news on the Cretan situation I will inform you all immediately, good day gentlemen.

Scipio walks out of the building, leaving the Senators to discuss these developments.

[Vasiliyi]

Lucius Aurelius Cotta Stands First,

"Roma Invicta! I congradulate that consul. Perhaps I was wrong about not wanting to attack Illyria. Keep the invasion going"

[Karo]

Marcus Iulius Rufus stands up
"Every news of victory is good news. But there are more concerning matters to discuss here. Like why has the council taken an army to Crete without our approval. That's what worries me most."

[Ghaust the Moor]

Arnza stands

"I agree. The actions that Legio IV have done are very disconcerting. Whether they mean good or bad, it does no matter, they should be punished fiercly. How was the Legio IV able to do this. Did any one try to stop them? Now to matter of Illyria. Did I not say it was a good idea? We have won a great victory. Roma Invicta"

[johnhughthom]

Don't forget we are using Rome here guys, I did mention that if the Senate couldn't agree on a course of action the Consuls would be left to do as they please with their armies. I used a dice to decide what each Consul would do to simulate their free will. I have tried to play out the assault on Kydonia a few time and keep CTDing so it might be a few days before I update.

[the man with no name]

Don't forget we are using Rome here guys, I did mention that if the Senate couldn't agree on a course of action the Consuls would be left to do as they please with their armies. I used a dice to decide what each Consul would do to simulate their free will. I have tried to play out the assault on Kydonia a few time and keep CTDing so it might be a few days before I update.

(Picky) It would be die for singular and dice for plural.



Ceasar stands

" i told you it would be a good idea Cotta, when in doubt go to greece:laugh4:"

[johnhughthom]

Thanks for playing along guys but I'm going to stop this now, there are three interactive AARs going on and all of them are struggling along. The same small group of people are playing all three and it is difficult to keep interest. Hopefully Ghaust and Tanit keep theirs going as they seem more interesting than mine. I haven't been able to get into a real campaign due to this and TSV over in the Throne Room, so I thought stopping this would be for the best. I'm going to go play a Pahlav campaign, I don't think anybody wants to see my fourth Pahlav AAR so I won't be doing an AAR for it (I may finally do that Pahlav reform guide though).

[Ghaust the Moor]

Well, it was fun. Good luck with Pahlav campaign. I had a lot of fun with this. Thanks,and have a balloon for the first thing I ever joined on here :balloon2: