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ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-13-2009, 18:30
I think there should be a review board or something, something like TWC has.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=146
.Org is not a democracy many say. Sure. But the point is, not all the time the Admin/Mods here are right. And sometimes, if you do politely dispute it, you may not win anyhow due to the power/fear faction of the superiors of this forum. A Moderator saying that "I can give you a warning and that's how is going to be- no debates", destroys the whole point of a Administration here.
And on the note of the MP community, this isn't the MP home anymore due to the screw-ups of a current/former few on this board :stwmean:.
Surely reviving a 6 year old thread was not necessary to discuss this?
But the point is, not all the time the Admin/Mods here are right. And sometimes, if you do politely dispute it, you may not win anyhow due to the power/fear faction of the superiors of this forum. A Moderator saying that "I can give you a warning and that's how is going to be- no debates", destroys the whole point of a Administration here.
Org Moderators are selected on the basis of a long history of good judgment, responsible behavior, and maturity. For these reasons, we are always willing to discuss any infractions that are issued and to explain why they were issued. Moderators regularly have discussions with each other over borderline issues and in other situations in which an infraction was questionable or otherwise unclear. There are numerous examples of Moderators removing points given for an infraction after a short discussion with the member in question or other Moderators. We know we are not infallible and we are constantly asking each other for opinions on various issues.
As such, it is a fallacy to say that there is no debate to be had in the system. If you want to appeal an infraction, we will always listen to you and weigh your words. If the infraction is not reversed, it means that the Moderators as a whole believe it is appropriate. If a group of 15-20 responsible people think a punishment is appropriate, I do not think there's much to be gained from a public 'trial' of this sort.
Any patron can email or PM anyone on the staff and file such a grievance - whether against another patron or a staff member.
Some patrons actually do that. I know in my experience these affairs were dealt with quietly behind the scenes with no public embarrassment for the accused. When approached like this, most people are very agreeable, apologetic and comply with the request to change their objectionable behaviour. When accused in a public forum, they are often embarrassed and become defensive and hostile. This is especially true if the accusation is made by another patron ("you're not the boss of me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif "). That is why it is in everyone's best interest to let the Org staff deal with the situation. I know that is not a comforting thought for some of you in light of the high level of distrust you currently hold for us, but it really is the best way. We are regular people like you. Honest.
First off, it's not "we" for you anymore, you are not a moderator anymore!!! ~:pissed:
And secondly, you are entirely correct and you may still boss me around if you want. ~;)
First off, it's not "we" for you anymore, you are not a moderator anymore!!! ~:pissed:
Please note that Warman chose to express his opinion by posting in a thread that is SIX YEARS OLD. Anything before his post should be completely ignored.
t1master
04-13-2009, 21:07
you should ban warman for obscene necroposting... ~;)
that is all.... :laugh4:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-13-2009, 21:30
you should ban warman for obscene necroposting... ~;)
that is all.... :laugh4:
Dumb butt me didn't realize that until after I posted! :laugh4:
You damn Mods scared me when I saw my Name here again :laugh4:!
Tribesman
04-13-2009, 22:38
Well what can I say . I broke the rules , I got the punishment for breaking the rules , I expected no less .
I wrote what I wrote , I stand by what I wrote and it was there for the moderators to judge and act accordingly .
However I didn't delete what I wrote and then try to play the moderators for a bunch of suckers by pretending I am as clean as a whistle(not that that would be very credible anyway) .
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-13-2009, 22:42
Edit: I'm going to be nice :clown:
You guys could have given the thread a different name :laugh4:!
t1master
04-13-2009, 23:53
warman has been flogged and given a time out until he can obey the rules is what i would have posted....:laugh4:
Rhyfelwyr
04-14-2009, 00:29
I think we should rename this forum "Warman's Corner", what do you think?
PershsNhpios
04-14-2009, 00:38
I think we should put him in a room with Tribesman and desert and lock them up for a day.
I think there should be a review board or something, something like TWC has.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=146
.Org is not a democracy many say. Sure. But the point is, not all the time the Admin/Mods here are right. And sometimes, if you do politely dispute it, you may not win anyhow due to the power/fear faction of the superiors of this forum. A Moderator saying that "I can give you a warning and that's how is going to be- no debates", destroys the whole point of a Administration here.
And on the note of the MP community, this isn't the MP home anymore due to the screw-ups of a current/former few on this board :stwmean:.
This is not TWC warman, no matter how much you want it to be.
They have their way which works and we have ours.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-14-2009, 03:21
However I didn't delete what I wrote and then try to play the moderators for a bunch of suckers by pretending I am as clean as a whistle
Today, 17:42
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 is offline |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
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Edit: I'm going to be nice :clown:
Last edited by |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88; Today at 18:12.
:laugh4:
this isn't the MP home anymore due to the screw-ups of a current/former few on this board :stwmean:.
Could you be a bit more specific?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
04-14-2009, 15:51
:laugh4:
You want me to be nice right? :crown:
Besides Sasaki, when I was AM, at least I did my job when it came down to these issues :yes:.
Could you be a bit more specific?
I'll love to. But I might be banned if I do by the Mighty TosaInu. Oh well for having a civil debate.
Could you be a bit more specific?
When it comes to malicious rumour mongering, it's unwise to be too specific - in fact the truth is best avoided. Spin, rhetoric and generalisations are the rumour monger's best friends.
:bow:
Maximus The Bruce
04-14-2009, 17:33
http://www.freewebs.com/tosainuverdict/
It's a work in progress. Expect more information to be entered in the upcoming days and weeks. I'm done with this forum. I used to love this forum years ago, even 1 year ago. Now, it's not the same, and full of corruption. I can not serve under the current Takiyama Adminship.
LONG LIVE THE OLD AND FAIR .ORG!
AggonyDuck
04-14-2009, 18:19
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tibilicus
04-14-2009, 18:42
http://www.freewebs.com/tosainuverdict/
It's a work in progress. Expect more information to be entered in the upcoming days and weeks. I'm done with this forum. I used to love this forum years ago, even 1 year ago. Now, it's not the same, and full of corruption. I can not serve under the current Takiyama Adminship.
LONG LIVE THE OLD AND FAIR .ORG!
LOL!
This is such a rip-off of "Magyars verdict" which was posted on the wolves website years ago..
I'm afraid I think your blowing things way out of proportion Warman. The only issue I might agree with you on is the whole Barocca incident. I personally feel, if what Barocca claims is true, then maybe there is an issue which needs to be raised. That's not my place to get involved in though and neither should it be yours, it's between Tosa and Borocca.
Also when you say Takiyama administration I presume you mean clan? As far as I'm aware Tosa is the only Takiyama admin, the moderating team is made up of a broad range of people and personalities. I think your being a bit unfair dragging the whole admin team into this when you only have "beef" with a single member of that team..
Prince Cobra
04-14-2009, 18:45
Warman, if you still read this...
Some people may say many things about you but from my personal opinion, you have many positive traits. Your problem is your emotions and your obstinacy. My advise is to do your best to put your emotions under control and stop behaving like a fool for you are not. Think over it carefully and I hope you will be back. But please, behave like a mature person!
I'm afraid that it's very apparent to the entire user-base here at the .org as to exactly what you're trying to achieve here: Attention. Your motivations are so unsubtle and so blatantly obvious that I am quite simply astounded that you cannot see the sheer idiocy of these ridiculous claims yourself. That link you posted is a huge embarrassment - certainly not for the .org - but almost certainly for you. The crayons in the top left hand corner are very fitting.
it would be logical to accept that part or all of what i recently posted might have affected this situation.. plz reinstate warman with a warning and ban me... i would gladly accept his punishment if the powers that be are willing.
it would be logical to accept that part or all of what i recently posted might have affected this situation.. plz reinstate warman with a warning and ban me... i would gladly accept his punishment if the powers that be are willing.
Each patron is responsible for his own actions.
tibilicus
04-14-2009, 19:02
4. He must instate me and others in charge of the MP fourms there, as Moderators, so we can bring it back to life. MP Community on .Org isn't even there really. Barocca must be reinstated as Moderator or Admin, whichever he prefers.
I think your being a bit silly here, realistically do you think that's ever going to happen? Also I would like to remind you that you received that AM post in the M2 MP forums after I got kicked for "inactivity". I didn't receive any PM's from Tosa about the situation and I still checked the forum occasionally, despite the fact there really wasn't much moderating to do as no one ever posted there. You basically sniped that post from me, and you know what? I was ****** for about a day. Not even at the fact I'd lost the post but the circumstances which surrounded it. Anyway to cut a long story short after that day I gave myself a nice big reality check and realised it was a job on an internet forum, I let it go and moved on and still continue to enjoy the .org.
The thread which I originally posted addressing the issue didn't receive a reply from Tosa and was filled with various useless posts, I wouldn't expect one from him here. Basically accept what has happened and move on or continue to kick up a fuss about it.
Edit: Please excuse the manner in which my posts may be written this evening. I'm incredibly tired and as a result the simple ability to from sentence structure is suffering. :bow:
it would be logical to accept that part or all of what i recently posted might have affected this situation.. plz reinstate warman with a warning and ban me... i would gladly accept his punishment if the powers that be are willing.
That is very honorable of you, but Warman's current situation is the result of his own actions, not anyone else's. The thread you participated in was not actually any significant part of the problem. It was the result of a general trend of poor behavior over an increasingly long period of time, with numerous problem posts on many public threads and user profiles. He also attempted to hack into TosaInu's admin account and committed a rather shocking incident of plagiarism. All of these things combined resulted in his current ban.
LittleGrizzly
04-14-2009, 19:56
I feel a little sorry for warman, sure the guy could annoy me occasionally, he reminds me somewhat of my younger self, gets far too carried with his emotions and i think he does revel in the controversy (i used to love it, i still do slightly... Edit: infact thats probably the reason i can't resist putting my opnion in here even though its not asked for or wanted...)
Is Warman on a permanent ban or temporary ?
AggonyDuck
04-14-2009, 20:09
In a way this banning has the potential to be a good thing for Warman. He was spending way too much energy on these forums and I believe it will be beneficial for his development to find a new outlet for his energy.
KingMichael88888888
04-14-2009, 20:23
it would be logical to accept that part or all of what i recently posted might have affected this situation.. plz reinstate warman with a warning and ban me... i would gladly accept his punishment if the powers that be are willing.
Don't Beach. Don't give yourself up for me. I fought for what I believed in, and if I must get banned for it, I will.
I never attempeted to hacked into Tosa's Account. I do even have hacking software on my Hard Drive, nor do I even know how to. I never did commit Palgarism. It is Kagemusha paranoid mind.
I'm done here. And Tib, I meant Tosa and his cronies in his clan and other Mods who suck up to him, Like Monk for example.
I tried being respectful on this forum.... I loved coming here at one time, we all had fun. Until 2008, that's when all hell started to break loose again.....
And Ducky, sure, I spent to much time on these forums, no wonder I got wrists problems. Thankfully, starting tomarrow, I can get back on track and start resting my wrists.
Goodbye. You can find me on other good community forums. This is my final post on the issue!
LittleGrizzly
04-14-2009, 20:33
Peace out mate... have a good un...
GeneralHankerchief
04-14-2009, 22:14
Possible thread merge?
Tribesman
04-14-2009, 23:03
Possible thread merge?
Would it not be more fitting to take both threads , edit out all the words , claim nothing was ever written and finally alledge that both topics are the result of an evil conspiracy by the moderators and admins .
PershsNhpios
04-14-2009, 23:22
This is surprising.
I thought Warman was the 'untouchable'. So silly and so childish that the moderators chose to protect him rather than scold him.
Well, I suppose I won't be seeing that smiley with a crown on it so often anymore.
Edit:
I read the 'verdict'. I laughed quite hard actually, and I will be very careful to mention Mongols anymore.
It looks like you have a chance at leaving the computer alone and experiencing the outdoors, Warman!
Jolly good! Off you go!
CountArach
04-15-2009, 00:00
http://www.freewebs.com/tosainuverdict/
From The Information I gathered personally, and from other sources, I, AntiWarmanCake88, have found, TosaInu,
GUITY
Of Abusing His .Org Fourm Admin Powers and of Favortism.
We have the verdict folks. TosaInu is Guity...
The innevitable question: "Why was Warman banned?"
LittleGrizzly
04-15-2009, 01:46
If you read this thread and the other one (other warman thread in watchtower) it explains it, Tosa and TinCow posts mainly i think...
In summary it seems a quite a few things over time snowballed into a ban.
seireikhaan
04-15-2009, 01:53
Wow. I have to say, this all spiraled downhill rather quickly.
Woah. Hacking into the admin account? Heh, that brings me quite some memories of a "Forum Civil War" there was in another forum I staffed some years ago. Those were some fun times. In any case hacking into the admin account at least to me is equal to permanent IP ban.
Strike For The South
04-15-2009, 02:32
Wow.
King Jan III Sobieski
04-15-2009, 02:42
If you're going to ban Warman, why not ban me, too? Hell, if you (Moderators) do your homework, you'll see half of my posts are under the same IP Address as his - NOT because he has control of my account, but strictly because we live in the same household (we do share use of our computers from time to time!)
King Jan III Sobieski
04-15-2009, 02:45
Woah. Hacking into the admin account? Heh, that brings me quite some memories of a "Forum Civil War" there was in another forum I staffed some years ago. Those were some fun times. In any case hacking into the admin account at least to me is equal to permanent IP ban.
P.S. Warman ain't that skilled to hack into a Commodore 64 with the cheat codes provided to him. Please, tell me another one. :inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:
KukriKhan
04-15-2009, 02:53
You fellas have seen the thing on the 'net before: you try to log into your account, but forget the password? After 3 or 4 attempts, the site won't let you try again for awhile?
Well, those attempt/fail sessions are logged and recorded, and IP addresses of the attempts are captured, so the possibly offending computer (or forgetful user who needs assistance) can be identified. See TinCow's post above, do the math, connect the dots, and there you have it.
Denials are fine, but admin logs don't lie. I was on staff here for 7 years, and I can tell you: any member's contributions are extremely tolerated here. Members who seem annoying today, tend to be less so over time, because of the effect of hanging out with the vast majority of members, just like you and I, who prefer civil, informative contributions to the anguished drama so common on other sites, especially PC game fansites. The Moderator staff worry endlessly, and consult their peers daily, to be sure they are fair, impartial, and doing the best thing for the overall health and well-being of the entire org membership.
Q: What will get you banned from here?
A: Any threat to account security or privacy.
Nobody wants some other guy guessing his password, signing in and posting crap under their username. And we really don't want the guy with all the keys to the place (the Admin)'s account captured by an imposter who could wreak havoc on the entire place, or shut it down.
We had password-sharing problems in the distant past, with bad result (I think we learnt our lesson). And we get denial-of-service, password-hack, and other attacks regularly. Our Host has robust measures in place to fend off most of the "routine" bot-type attacks, but we have to do our part on the human side, too: check, and double-check, that the guy/user/computer we let in to our little 'walled garden', really is who he says he is, and means no harm.
Doing less = a disrespect of the trust placed by the user/visitor of the site. Doing less than protecting account integrity = dereliction of duty.
In this case, in my humble opinion, duty has been served.
Farewell, Warman. Your enthusiasm has been by turns: invigorating, and exasperating. I have admired your youthful optimism, your ability to actually do some hard, detailed work, and your unbridled passion. On the other hand, I've been a lot less proud of your angry fits of temper when you've been disappointed, and the results of those fits: trashed tournaments, defaced websites, and trash-mouth postings full of venom.
I wish you well in all you do, and hope to see or read about the "new you" in a year or so. Be well. Do Good. Keep In Touch, Dude.
P.S. Warman ain't that skilled to hack into a Commodore 64 with the cheat codes provided to him. Please, tell me another one. :inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:
Don't know. Honestly, don't care. Just told my past example of people having admin rights when they really shouldn't. I experienced it first hand. Then, I said what my sentence of such an attempt would be. That said, I didn't say Warman did hack into any account or even attempted. As Kukri well said, the forums record those things. For the record, if I was the admin of the server and whoever attempted to log into my account couldn't damn well explain himself, he'd be hwem'd (As we call it) with the "BANZ!" Stick on him faster than he could say "One mississipi". But that's how we did things over where I staffed. Maybe it's the trauma from the forum Civil War I spoke about in the earlier post.
pevergreen
04-15-2009, 07:19
I thought I was following this, but obviously things got bad or something. :confused:
edit: read the multiple other threads. :no:
I offer my support towards Tosa. He is very leniant.
I apologise for the comments I have made in the past Tosa.
:bow:
This is surprising.
I thought Warman was the 'untouchable'. So silly and so childish that the moderators chose to protect him rather than scold him.
Well, I suppose I won't be seeing that smiley with a crown on it so often anymore.
Edit:
I read the 'verdict'. I laughed quite hard actually, and I will be very careful to mention Mongols anymore.
It looks like you have a chance at leaving the computer alone and experiencing the outdoors, Warman!
Jolly good! Off you go!
No one is untouchable. Honor is everything to the Orgah.
A man who loses his honor, must then also lose his head. This is Bushido, the way of the warrior.
No one is untouchable. Honor is everything to the Orgah.
A man who loses his honor, must then also lose his head. This is Bushido, the way of the warrior.
Dramatic much? :grin:
Dramatic much? :grin:
He's probably already getting into the mood for Swords in the Moon, which he will join very soon. I mean, who could possibly refuse such a nice invitation :brood:
Dramatic much? :grin:
Opening cinematic in STW. :book:
He's probably already getting into the mood for Swords in the Moon, which he will join very soon. I mean, who could possibly refuse such a nice invitation :brood:
Not even I can. :help:
Quintus.JC
04-15-2009, 11:25
Wow. I have to say, this all spiraled downhill rather quickly.
Seconded, this is some serious scary stuff. ~:shock:
tibilicus
04-15-2009, 12:21
Big shame really. Warman used to have a reputation within the MP community as a childish trouble maker who spent most of his time flaming the in game lobby. After the CWC incident it seemed like he was changing, he was slowly gaining peoples respect and it seemed like he was a reformed character.
I think it's safe to say you've blown that now Warman, all that hard work you put in trying to change the way people see you has gone to waste. I think you need to ask yourself just how many chances your going to get, especially after the CWC incident. Your effectively an outcast in the community which I know meant so much to you, it seemed to be pretty much your life, with no offence intended.
Maybe it's a good thing that you actually take this time to really grow up? I'll tell you now that people are going to be a lot harder to win round not the second but the third time round..
I read the 'verdict'. I laughed quite hard actually, and I will be very careful to mention Mongols anymore.
Feel free to mention Mongols Glenn.
Woah. Hacking into the admin account?
Some attempts to, but not succeeded.
If you're going to ban Warman, why not ban me, too? Hell, if you (Moderators) do your homework, you'll see half of my posts are under the same IP Address as his - NOT because he has control of my account, but strictly because we live in the same household (we do share use of our computers from time to time!)
We understand that King Jan III Sobieski and I see no reason now to touch your account.
I apologise for the comments I have made in the past Tosa.
It's ok pevergreen :bow:
Yes tibilicus, CWC. Sorry.
It's time to close these topics.
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