Does anyone like RTW anymore

[Centurion1]

God this forum is empty these days. :embarassed: It brings a tear to my eye. Cmon i know you are all still out there. Myself, well i haven't updated because of logistical issues :furious3: but that doesn't mean i would stop rtwin it. I know there are still players out there, why just last week i converted two of my mates to be rtw fanatics so i know the game still has some entertainment value.

So any ideas on how to reconnect to our lost brethren. (curse you etw and the flow of modern technology!!!!!!!!!) :wall:

[Tony Furze]

I'm a "convert" myself, having played MTW VI and Shogun for a number of years. Vista forced me to re examine my options, and I 've found looking at mods has improved the appeal of RTW. It runs smoothly - which is a big bonus. Still can't use "huge" armies, though.

I'm playing Lusted's Terrae Expugnandae, by the way, and getting that familiar old school feel of both MTW and Shogun.

Being relatively new to RTW, I'm zipping around trying to find solutions to problems that must have been sorted out on previous threads.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Empire crashes my PC, and to be honest I didn't like it much anyway. So, back to RTW and BI for the meantime, may do a bit of EB during the summer holidays...

[Centurion1]

Yeah i know what you mean about etw crashing on you. And my computer couldn't reasonably handle it. Meaning that i would have to auto calc every battle and the campaign map would take ages to do. I know that rtw has its flaws but thats where the mods come in. I mean i recently came back from mods like rtr and eb and vanilla feels like a brand new game. I can also mod a little on my own (armies, ai tendencies, units, province ownership, etc.) so there is always something new to do. I'm not a fanatic but i miss all the chatter that used to be on this forum even if i wasn't the most active member (points to number of posts)

[SubRosa]

I still like RTW. It is the only game I play on a regular basis.

But I am so busy working on my mod that I rarely have time to do much more than glance through the four RTW forums I regularly haunt.



I'm playing Lusted's Terrae Expugnandae, by the way, and getting that familiar old school feel of both MTW and Shogun..

Give a look at Divus' facelift of TE, you can find out more about it here (http://www.modrealms.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=62)

[Centurion1]

Yeah i know what you mean i know loads of folks that still play the game, but still numbers have been lost. *sigh* by the way subrosa what mod are you working on???

[SubRosa]

I think most RTW folks are over at TWC is all. Most of the people here at the Guild seem to be in the other game forums, because I always see a pile of names signed in when I go to the front page. They must be somewhere.

Click on the link in my sig to see what I am working on.

[Quirinus]

I still like RTW. It is the only game I play on a regular basis.
Same here.

I stil play RTW because, firstly my computer cannot play M2TW, and secondly, I'm way more fascinated by classical antiquity than medieval or Renaissance history.

[Quintus.JC]

I still like RTW. :beam:

I just don’t have any time to play any Total War games recently, exams and all that. Will get Empire around June-July, hopefully it will be as good as some people say it is. :yes:

It’s not just the Coliseum that’s been rather empty these days – the Citadel is faring little better. Also the Shogun and Medieval areas are all quite empty, guess it’s the destiny for these old games, there nothing we can do about it unfortunately. :shame:

[Upxl]

I got bored with ETW little over a week ago so went back to RTW, wich is and always will be my all time favourite.
The only possible reason for me to stop playing is if the good people of CA would choose to make RTW II.

[coalition]

I still like it, hell I think Rome and Empire Total War are the greatest...:beam:

Thing is, work and College is the major time sucker.

If there is a remake of Rome Total War, I will literally know what "Love" means.

[two people]

I still prefer RTW over M2TW; probably because of RTW's interface. M2TW's interface appears odd to me, in particular the way they prevent all the traits from being seen. also I think moving units around in battle mode in RTW seems smoother than m2tw, but that's probably because I started playing RTW before M2TW.
my computer can't run ETW though:thumbsdown:
I've yet to install any mods, I think I'll go over to the other subforum to see what mods are available.

[Shieldmaiden]

I'm way more fascinated by classical antiquity than medieval or Renaissance history.

Ditto.

Though I'm going to get M2TW again, variety is nice :laugh4:

ETW doesn't interest me at all.

[Tony Furze]

Thanks, SubRosa. That's a nice site.

[Centurion1]

Yeah the classical setting of Rome to me is far more interesting than the other titles by CA. Yeah there are still a bunch of people on the org they just moved up to games like m2tw (which i never really felt) and etw (not really feeling that as well)

[Darkvicer98]

It seems many people still like and prefer RTW. I like RTW and M2TW, haven't played ETW properly yet. M2TW battle interface is different to RTW's and RTW seems perfect in many ways.

I am interested in history from a wide range so M2TW, ETW and RTW all appeal to me in different ways:beam:.

[Quintus.JC]

Two things that put me off Rome is the clone armies and the squlor, apart from that its about as good as it can possible get for a game made in that age.

The biggest thing that interests me in Empire is the improved AI and diplomacy, which again were disappointments in both Rome and Medieval II.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm still playing Rome or some of it's mods(EB or XGM) when I have time.

Quintus - ETW also have clone armies as far as I can tell! ~;) Also, squalor isn't much of a problem when you tweak edb file a little bit.

[The New Che Guevara]

I haven't played R:TW in ages as opposed to M2:TW but whenever I'm playing M2:TW I always think before... hmmm... could be playing R:TW instead.

I think orgahs now dont go onto the individual forums for the games, but instead on the others, like the front room, the monastery etc. The most popular is still E:TW obviously, but it only gets like 9 people reading at a time.

[bamff]

I have been an MTW player for quite some time, and have only just recently acquired RTW.

While I have not yet progressed very far with it, I am quite enjoying it thus far....

[King Kurt]

Like Bampf and Tony I have realively recently come to RTW from MTW. Overall I am enjoying it as it is a challenge to master the game - especially the squalor side of things. In particular I like the fact that you can use your armies on a grand tactical way - something you can't reallly do in MTW. An army can be left to guard a river crossing or mountain pass - that sort of thing. In my current egyptian campaign a smallish army of spears and cavalry defended a river crossing against a succession of Seleucid attacks wiping them out one by one. They probably have been the basis of breaking the military might of the Selucids by themselves. I have to say the AI is not the brightest - in this instance all armies used the same approach attack over one ford and ignore the other - so my spears slaughted them as they clambered out of the river while my cavalry went over the other ford and came up behind the Selucids.
The town micro management is a bit frustrating but I am getting better. You certainly can not blitz like you could in MTW - I always thought that once I got past about move 15 in MTW I was not going to loose, while in RTW it always feels in doubt.

[Lord Dazed & Confused]

Yeah still playing Rome based mods, Roma Surrectum, can't wait for RS2, Viking Invasion 2 for BI which is the best mod I've ever played, if you liked Viking Invasion I would recomend it, also SPQR, IB7& lusted's TE
So yes I still like Rome :beam:
LDC

[Unstoppable_Parthia]

I love RTW over all the others. Its just a brilliant game

[StuntManMatt]

After playing a bit of ETW I went back to Rome because I'm just in the mood for it. I even registered to this forum to get a couple of questions that I never asked answered. I'm having a blast playing as Armenia right now.

[ReluctantSamurai]

For me, RTW has more eyecandy and less substance than some of the others in the TW series. So once the coolness of watching my onagers and archers burn a city to the ground, or my elephants trample cohorts wore off, all the the things I don't like about RTW started to creep in and now it sits on the shelf collecting dust.......

[Master Young Phoenix]

I went back to RTW this week, from a stint of M2:tw and EB... mainly because EB, which I love, just doesn't run properly on my lap-top beyond "normal" unit size and any roman game crashes around 247 bce (and EB is kinda fiddly too, though it's rather nice to be able to recruit all 3 heavy infantry types the romans used right from the get-go). I'm going to lay-off EB till I get a new, up-to-date laptop (should take me half a year of saving-up)... oh, but then I'll first go for Empire off course, played on my brothers laptop and it's rather neat. If you think it's a hassle to do all that stuff, try europa barbarorum, there's so much to take into account when you play that game... and then there's the crazy people who try to do it historically accurate too. with the romans, that means a sloooow progression. in RTW it would mean doing nothing for half a century if you're the scipii, even longer with the other two families.

I like RTW for it's deceptive simplicity and tactical movement and the variety in troops and factions, even though some are not historically accurate, and I've always been fond of classical history. the only fault I find with vanilla rome is that the celtic warbands do not throw javelins before they charge (as they should)

[SubRosa]

If you want a gaming rig, do not get a laptop. Put your money into a desktop. You will get a bigger, better monitor, better video card, better everything. Plus you can upgrade in the future.

[HopAlongBunny]

Just started playing RTW again.

Glenn sang the praises of EB on another forum here so I gave it a look. Atmosphere!

I love EB despite it still having many of the flaws of RTW...pretty much all the hard code stuff.

MTW still my all-time fav, but EB is the game I'm playing these days :party2:

[Centurion1]

EB is a fun mod i also enjoyed Roma Surrectum, Rome Total Realism, SPQR, and for BI i enjoyed viking invasion. However, i went back to RTW for a while just to reminisce about the old days (sighs remembers when he didn't know how to take automange off and only did what the advisor told him to do because he thought he would lose otherwise :laugh4:)

A funny story now that i remember. I have recently converted my friend to be a new fanatic to the series. About a week later we were talking and he mentioned that he conqured the entire map but he hadn't won the game. So i was like how and he said well he conquered except for the romans. And i figured he just hadn't had the civil war yet. so i was asking about what other factions he wanted to play and he was like well theres only the romans greeks and gauls right. I heard thracia get destroyed but didn't see it. so i was like what dude the maps about a million times bigger than that. AND THEN A REVELATION OCCURED, he had only been playing the TUTORIAL. And he thought that was the full game! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:. And the funniest part was that he was totally content with the game and still enjoyed it!!!!!

[SubRosa]

(sighs remembers when he didn't know how to take automange off and only did what the advisor told him to do because he thought he would lose otherwise :laugh4:)

I went through my entire first long campaign without realizing you could retrain your troops. When my units got depleted I just merged them or disbanded them and raised new ones. :wall:

[AchubaNanoiaBR]

I used to play RTW non-stop with my old computer. Then when I bought a new one with a 21" widescreen monitor I stopped playing, because RTW looks horrible in 1680x1050... and I won't deny, I'm a graphics guy!

Lately I've been playing more M2TW and some Xbox360 games... but now I have a new addiction: Mount&Blade! An excellent game, I haven't been playing anything else now.

[Flakk]

i still play RTW. actually i prefer it over MTW2 and Empire dunno why i just like the ancient setting...
also iv been willing to buy a 22inch lcd to replace my 17inch lcd but i think im starting to change my mind since you said RTW looks horrible on high res.
can you plz post a pic of how it looks ?

[Helgi]

Oh HELL YEAH!!!
Love RTW over MTW2
can't say anything about ETW yet though.:england::france::denmark:

[Veles Shadow]

To be honest I like RTW better than M2TW because although I like the graphics better in Medieval it's too slow and I'm more interested in the RTW period even though :egypt::egypt::egypt::egypt::egypt::egypt: that happens

[coalition]

This forum is making me cry...:embarassed:

I am so glad to see interest in RTW...:sweatdrop:

[SubRosa]

i still play RTW. actually i prefer it over MTW2 and Empire dunno why i just like the ancient setting...
also iv been willing to buy a 22inch lcd to replace my 17inch lcd but i think im starting to change my mind since you said RTW looks horrible on high res.
can you plz post a pic of how it looks ?

I have a 22 inch flatscreen (not lcd mind you), and RTW looks fine. There are lots of pictures here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=115251), just click on the thumbnails to see the full size pictures.

[Centurion1]

I'm the same as sub rosa just upgraded my monitor to a 22'' and i think it looks downright sexy. I enjoy graphics and i think they look better for all the tw series (and some other games). Just like they say bigger is always better :2thumbsup:

[AchubaNanoiaBR]

I think I must be doing something wrong then... my campaign map looks blurry, the unit cards are pixelated and the battles also look blurry unless I zoom in. I have all settings at max except for antialising (spellcheck?), resolution set to 1680x1050, but still looks quite bad.

Any tips for me then?

[Ariovistus Maximus]

I like to play a game of RTW when I take a break from EB. It goes a lot faster.

I'm looking forward to the RTR VII release too. :deal: :eyebrows:

[Schiltrom]

I love RTW, have since I got it (last year, when I was in Australia). A friend of mine lent me M:TW. I thought: "THIS IS (not Sparta) AWESOME. Let's update!!!". So yeah, that's a RTW story (I also got M2). So I love all of them still (though with unit standardisation and all, E:TW gets a bit repetative).

I don't play EB because for some reason all factions have the same unit set in custom battle (didn't try campaign, got too annoyed with the unit stuff)

[Ariovistus Maximus]

I don't play EB because for some reason all factions have the same unit set in custom battle (didn't try campaign, got too annoyed with the unit stuff)


Yeah, the single player custom battle makes no sense. You need to use the multiplayer (there is a single player icon and a multiplayer icon for EB) version to get a good unit list. And spend time with your good friend, the recruitment viewer. :sultan:

And read the AAR forum for insperation. :book: :book: :book:

[Schiltrom]

Yeah, the single player custom battle makes no sense. You need to use the multiplayer (there is a single player icon and a multiplayer icon for EB) version to get a good unit list. And spend time with your good friend, the recruitment viewer. :sultan:

And read the AAR forum for insperation. :book: :book: :book:

thanks

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Nyet Prablyem, Tovarich

[SubRosa]

I think I must be doing something wrong then... my campaign map looks blurry, the unit cards are pixelated and the battles also look blurry unless I zoom in. I have all settings at max except for antialising (spellcheck?), resolution set to 1680x1050, but still looks quite bad.

Any tips for me then?

It sounds like you may not be playing it in your monitor's native resolution. I understand that LCD monitors sometime look that way when you change them to different resolution. Also, if you have a widescreen monitor (which you probably do if it is an lcd), make sure you have the game set to use Widescreen in the Video Options.

[Caius]

Nyet Prablyem, Tovarich
Privet tovarisch!

[Caius]

God this forum is empty these days. :embarassed: It brings a tear to my eye. Cmon i know you are all still out there. Myself, well i haven't updated because of logistical issues :furious3: but that doesn't mean i would stop rtwin it. I know there are still players out there, why just last week i converted two of my mates to be rtw fanatics so i know the game still has some entertainment value.

So any ideas on how to reconnect to our lost brethren. (curse you etw and the flow of modern technology!!!!!!!!!) :wall:
Just few people play it. The forum might be dead, but look at Shogun forum. It's even dead.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Privet tovarisch!

Yah Ahmerikaneets; yah vih gavarityeh tolka nim nogah pa Russkyie :stupido3: ~:(

So don't test me too hard. :clown: :surrender2:

[Centurion1]

o Vy k yavl'ayetes' amerikanskimi. YA - takzhe, no ya uznal, chto nebol'shoj russkij ot moyej babushki i ya goschu u sem'i tam. horosho ya sdelal, poka oni ne stali posledovatel'ami putinism lol

Ha i like to keep my Russian handy so that my cousins cant cuss me out without my knowledge

[Ariovistus Maximus]

AAAAAA! BRAAAIIIIINNN OVERLOOOAAAADDD!!! :surrender2::surrender2::surrender2::surrender2:

I told you; I only speak a little! :laugh4: :dizzy2: I can pick out a word or two in there. :inquisitive:

But let me figure it out and I'll PM you. :yes: I'm already ahead b/c I don't have to try and translate from cyrillic! :book: :stupido2:

[Centurion1]

Ha Arivostius eagerly awaiting your translation. Yeah i'm a little shaky on my cyrillic i make sure not to do anything that requires reading it while visiting!!!
Oh read your weapons study, VERY intresting wish you had continued with it a little further. I just perused it though so maybe i am missing something

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Hehe it might be awhile; but then you never know... :idea2: I've not really looked at it for some time; I got stuck on the alphabet. Those english letters throw me for a loop. :dizzy2: I really like Russian though. Neat language.

Glad you like the essay! Yeah, I didn't go too far into each one. One of my challenges in writing is that I either do an extrememly short synopsis, or I do pages and pages and pages, like the summary of Rome on that essay. ~:) Quite a bit longer than the others.

Keep in mind, though, that I have only posted the first chapter... :eyebrows: That one is really just an introduction to the main part, which is chapter 2. See, the whole thing was actually for an uncle of mine, and all he wanted was the study of weapons itself. So I got into it, and then I decided that it would be pointless to give raw statistics of the weapons if you don't understand the peoples that used the weapons. And chapter 3 will cover tactics, which will enhance the value of understanding the weapons.

Chapter 3 will incorporate screenies of EB. :rolleyes: I really like it b/c its a nice medium where I can get nice consistent pics. Whereas if I get 'em off the internet, one pic will be a sketch, one will be 3-D, one will be a painting, etc.

Yeah, any additional material for the first chapter would be great though. Anybody has any ideas... lemme know. :applause:

Thanks centurion1! :ave:

[Caius]

People, please retake the topic of conversation. If you want to talk (AM and Centurion1), you have several ways of doing that. Thanks.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

OOPS! :stupid: Sorry Caius! Been off in my owwwn little world here. I will stop stealing threads.

But man it seems like there is nobody in the Colliseum! :inquisitive:

[Prussian to the Iron]

i jst turned BI off, lol.


i love empire, but i sometimes like to go back to the basics(for me; RTW was my first total war game. BIG step up from Empire Earth 1 :P

i'm still waiting for TATW to download.......3rd time i had to re-download it......grrrrrrrrrrr......

[Caius]

Sorry Caius! Been off in my owwwn little world here. I will stop stealing threads.

But man it seems like there is nobody in the Colliseum!
Don't worry.

Omanes seems to have left the .org for a period of a month, I'd say.

[Sandeu]

Well for me my favorite Total War is RTW/BI, I have all (I mean ALL of them) the Total War games with expansions and have them all installed, but I still find myself playing RTW

[Guru]

Bought the gold edition some days ago and downloaded the Europa Barbarorum mod.. I'm currently playing the vanilla campaign as the Julii, figured I'd play the original once through before getting started with the mod. Love the game, even thought the graphics feel a bit rough. Just wish the game had Empire-like sea battles..

:bow:

[Centurion1]

My apologies Caius, i seduced AM into the off topic conversation. :oops:. Thanks for the help staying on topic (bows to your focus)

[Owen Glyndwr]

I still play R:TW (well, EB, actually) I prefer it a whole lot to M2. I used to play M2 all the time, but got tired of how annoying sieges tend to be (peasants beat feudal knights? now come on!).

But yeah, R: TW all the way. EB, Guild Wars, and Civ IV are really the only three games I play nowadays.

[Caius]

Civ IV are really the only three games I play nowadays.
You do? I do also, but I'm not good at it.

(Notice how you get off-topic faster)

[Centurion1]

I started this thread and i don't really care (not that i don't appreciate what you're doing Caius, far from it). We could be talking about little green men and i'd be happy. Its nice to see some old faces popping in to report their continued obeisance to RTW. :2thumbsup:

(I enjoy CIV IV as well, though it is a little time consuming. I find that the most challenging part is continuing a game all the way to the finish) :sweatdrop:

[Caius]

I hate to say this, but I was too unexperienced to finish a campaign.

[Centurion1]

It is probably not inexperience, more likely you are suffering from what i like to call restartitis. This is a serious disease in which you are unable to finish campaigns due to boredom when it becomes too easy. i suffer from this in RTW, CIV4, AOE, Oblivion, Morrowind, and every other game that is not a fps. Dont worry you are not alone i will soon be starting the restarters anonymous. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Unstoppable_Parthia]

restartitis is a terrible disease, i get up to owning rome and having 40 provinces and get bored or more interested in another faction and restart

[Celt Centurion]

I still enjoy RTW but I hate the riots. Seems every turn I have to go back and retrain hundreds of replacements just because of riots. What I eventually do is still raise the taxes through the stratosphere, move the army out of the city into the nearest province or ship and let the city revolt. Then I take it back and exterminate it.

That seems to give rioters a real attitude adjustment.

I also enjoy XGM.

I still would like to find the link to the basic ATW just to get started. It appears that "raven feeders" is an upgrade.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

[Zajuts149]

I think I must be doing something wrong then... my campaign map looks blurry, the unit cards are pixelated and the battles also look blurry unless I zoom in. I have all settings at max except for antialising (spellcheck?), resolution set to 1680x1050, but still looks quite bad.

Any tips for me then?

I had the same problems with my screen. Couldn't play M2TW at all. Changed the setting on the screen so that it displays 4:3 in 1280x1024 or 1024x768. I leaves black bars on the sides, but who cares? Widescreen is just for movies:laugh4:

On topic: I started playing EB a few months ago. great fun. Played RTR before that. I have never actually played vanilla. couldn't stand the ahistoricity of it. What I'd really like is a mod like FRRE, but i want to see more feedback before I install.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Nope. Just mods for me. I play and have played nothing but EB for the last two years. Best game in this world.


As for FRRE, I tried it, but it was too incomplete IMHO. Then again, I have not been able to play any mod because they are all stunningly incomplete compared to EB. What is to be noted about FRRE is that practically the entire map is already covered by Roman Republic. No fun in starting out so large. Well, you do not actually start out so large, but you will later gain the empire. No fun in that. I like to conquer my own empire. I savour the humble beginnings. They are the very essence of EB. FRRE lacks that, and restartitis is a major issue in this mod.

[Caius]

What is FRRE?

[Ghaust the Moor]

OMG!!! Are you kinding me. Just look at the activity of the RTW forums compared to anything else :furious3:

[Zajuts149]

What is FRRE?

Fall of the Republic, Rise of the Empire. A mod that starts in 77bce. It even has submods. It's over at TWC.

[Caius]

Fall of the Republic, Rise of the Empire. A mod that starts in 77bce. It even has submods. It's over at TWC.
Thanks, never heard of it.

[Spongie]

Whew, glad to see I'm not the only one still playing RTW, though for me it's still my first campaign... still two other Roman factions to go, then I'll have a crack at the other factions, then there's BI...

There seems to be a lot of praise for the EB mod. I've had a quick look at the FAQ but would be interested in hearing what people playing it think about how it compares to / improves on vanilla (albeit patched to v1.5 and then player1's patch) Rome? :2thumbsup:

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Way to go Spongie!

I don't have M2 (although I'll be borrowing it shortly) but I here that, although it has improved interface and graphics, it doesn't have the variety and playability that RTW has.

Of course, that is all personal preference. But I do hear that M2 factions have relatively little variety.

Now, onto EB.

First of all, thanks to EB and RTR there will be people on the RTW forums for a loooong time. :) Of course, we might lose some players to EB II, which is for M2... hope not though.

Where to start with how EB improves vanilla. Hmmmmm...

Many of these features are in RTR, by the way; it is quite fantastic as well. RTR VII looks good.


1. Longer, more expanded battles. In both EB and RTR, battles last quite a bit longer. The result? Longer battles means that you can FINALLY use real strategy in your gameplay, instead of charging the enemy and routing him within seconds, or being routed in seconds.

I've been able to branch out with battlefield tactics in EB. Longer battles means more time to maneuver, and the battle depends more on your strategy then the quality of your units.

One insanely fun battle is at the beginning of the KH (Greek) campaign. Within 5 turns, if you amass your forces, you will have an epic battle with Macedon.

2. Even more variety in faction armies, and REGIONAL RECRUITMENT!!! This is why I tried out both RTR and EB. The ability to play as Rome and recruit Gallic soldiers always makes me feel like playing some more. It gives SUCH a realistic feel to the game to be able to recruit REAL auxiliaries!!! I love it!

If you don't know about regional recruitment, check it out. Basically, it enables you to recruit certain units from other factions. If, for instance, I am the Sauromatae (Scythians more or less) in EB, and I conquer Greece, I will be able to recruit hoplites in my Greek cities!!!

This enables you to diversify your army in a manner unprecedented in vanilla.

And not only regional recruitment; but even factions' core unit rosters are very unique. The Gauls are crazy melee fighters; the Lussotannan (Spanish) are ambushers; the Greeks have hoplites (which in the mods are more like vanilla Triarii because they don't do phalanx mode); the Hellenes have phalangites (which do have phalanx mode); the Getai ARE A GREAT FACTION as they have a very unique skirmisher-centric roster.

ESPECIALLY RECRUITING CRETEAN ARCHERS IN EB!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

The difference between EB and RTR in regional recruitment is significant enough to mention. I'll put it like this:

In RTR, you can play as Rome, take Gaul, and recruit Gallic spearmen and Gallic swordsmen.

In EB, you can recruit 2-4 kinds each of spearmen and swordsmen. ;) Well, almost. Botaros, Botroas, Gaeliche, Kluddoboros, Neitos, etc. And at least on exclusively ROMAN unit that can only be recruited in Gaul!

3. Expanded map for greater authenticity. Both EB and RTR move the map a few hundred miles east, to get the full extent of the seleucid empire. This results in much better balance.

You probably haven't seen it yet since you're just starting, but in vanilla, Egypt ALWAYS wins. :) I mean, you will probably win the game, but Egypt will always eat up all its neighbors, unless you are one of its neighbors and you kill it.

4. Improved trait system. This is an EB feature. They totally overhauled the traits and ancilliary system. It is WAAAAAY more realistic, and gives you WAAAAAY more role-play opportunity, if you like doing that.

Also, I actually find it easier to manage an empire in EB rather than vanilla, because in vanilla once you have 50 cities, you constantly have to deal with revolts. In EB, your characters have a LOT more depth, and you can actually use them to keep the people happy.

Truly EB comes into its own by its trait system ALONE, much less all the other awesome stuff!

5. HISTORICAL ACCURACY! I hardly need say more. You will learn tons of history, unless you have a PhD in Classical History.

In fact, the "license agreement" for EB states that you must read more history. :)

-----------------------------

So yes, try it out! The cons?

EB is quite a bit slower, both in gameplay and in technical terms of how your PC can run it. :) It goes at a slower pace, but really this is a goooooood thing. RTW can be a bit arcade-like by comparison.

Also, you will probably have to wrestle with EB at first to make it work. Don't lose heart.

RTR does not have the problem of being slightly buggy or the problem of running slow on your PC.

So you should just try them both. :D

Really the difference as far as which is better is only a matter of personal preference. It depends on how you like to play.

Anyways, there you have it, IMHO. :bow:

[Owen Glyndwr]

*Argument text here*




Very well put man!

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Thankee, Owen!

I don't know that it's an argument, exactly, but I am quite enthusiastic about EB. (hehe could you tell?)

Actually, I've not played it for some time. I spend too much time on the forum.

Also, I have to finish my ancient weapons study so I can start my Pontic AAR.

I will give you a brief preview b/c I feel like it:

The story begins in 1453, in Constantinople.

You'll have to wait and see. :P

I've actually written enough to start posting, but I have to borrow M2 from a friend so I can get some screenies.

[Mediteran]

i still play rtw, i am right now in the middle of a roman campaign in EB.. even though i have both m2tw and etw, and my pc can play them..

i find rtw has the best atmosphere

and with EB, its really something else :)

[Zim]

I still play RTW, far more than ETW or MTW2. I tend to stay mostly around the EB forums and throneroom, though...

I remember when I first started playing RTW, I'd just do Julii short campaigns again and again. :clown:

[Bilgediver]

If you want a gaming rig, do not get a laptop. Put your money into a desktop. You will get a bigger, better monitor, better video card, better everything. Plus you can upgrade in the future.

That may be true, but I went balls-out with a Gaming rig from avadirect.com
Clevo D901C, 17.1" 1920x1200 LCD, Intel Core 2 Extreme, Dual nVidia 9800M GT w/ SLI, 4 GB Kingston RAM, 3 200 GB IDD's

[Bilgediver]

As to playing Rome: Total War, I find it fun for the ease of which you can jump right into a campaign and enjoy the game. M2:TW and E:TW are amazing, but a lot more involved than R:TW.

I have installed a few mods, like EB, and the VI for R:TW BI, EB is fun, and the VI mod for R:TW BI is damn nigh impossible (I tried it and you start out losing so much money it looks almost impossible)

[Bilgediver]

i jst turned BI off, lol.


i love empire, but i sometimes like to go back to the basics(for me; RTW was my first total war game. BIG step up from Empire Earth 1 :P

i'm still waiting for TATW to download.......3rd time i had to re-download it......grrrrrrrrrrr......

lol, it was a huge step up from Rise of Nations and Age of Empires III, even going back down to R:TW.

Rise of Nations was close in its campaign (sort of), but its battles....well R:TW beat it hands down.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

As to playing Rome: Total War, I find it fun for the ease of which you can jump right into a campaign and enjoy the game. M2:TW and E:TW are amazing, but a lot more involved than R:TW.

I have installed a few mods, like EB, and the VI for R:TW BI, EB is fun, and the VI mod for R:TW BI is damn nigh impossible (I tried it and you start out losing so much money it looks almost impossible)


Hehe! RTW can be almost arcade-like sometimes. Vanilla, that is.

It moves so fast, if you blitz you can take like 2 cities a turn on average for most of the game. :laugh4:

The mods make it a LOT (lot lot lot...) deeper.

[Cute Wolf]

Hehe! RTW can be almost arcade-like sometimes. Vanilla, that is.

It moves so fast, if you blitz you can take like 2 cities a turn on average for most of the game. :laugh4:

The mods make it a LOT (lot lot lot...) deeper.

True for EB... they get the better things of RTW...

But I still prefer vanilla BI over IBFD, or another fall of rome mod... and I still playing vanilla BI now...

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Yeah, vanilla BI is good. I haven't done too much with it. I've played a couple of campaigns.

Probably the hordes balance it out. :yes: You can't blitz the horde factions. No no no no no...

I did that once. :beam: I died a terrible death. I think it was my first campaign. I did kill off like two fullstacks in ambushes though; it was awesome. :2thumbsup:

I am gonna try and rig EB to work on BI though; get the better AI.

[Flavius Merobaudes]

I am gonna try and rig EB to work on BI though; get the better AI.
Let us know when you managed to do that.:yes:
I would be interested in having EB running on the BI.exe myself, but I'm scared of all the modding and scripting stuff.

[Alsatia]

I believe that there is a mod for EB to go on Alexander. I've heard there are some improvements in AI.

Is it me or is it that almost half the posts on this page mention or praise EB???

Also realise that the number of posts in the modding section are only beaten by the tavern.



(btw, I Play EB, IBFD:RR, RS, M2TW, ETW[RTW is much better in gameplay, those naval battles and less melee units screw my head in])

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Let us know when you managed to do that.:yes:
I would be interested in having EB running on the BI.exe myself, but I'm scared of all the modding and scripting stuff.

I've seen a number of guides for it; in fact, IIRC there is a EB BI-installer mod in the EB minimod section.

No doubt though, it will require a little wrestling with the system, as all my mods have. :laugh4:

I guess I'm gonna do it soon, 'cuz I want the improved AI for my AAR.

[Dafug3]

I play RTW a lot online and still a lot on mods and others in single player. I prefer it to MIITW and ETW, as I believe they are both unfinished games.

[Spongie]

You probably haven't seen it yet since you're just starting, but in vanilla, Egypt ALWAYS wins. :) I mean, you will probably win the game, but Egypt will always eat up all its neighbors, unless you are one of its neighbors and you kill it.

4. Improved trait system. This is an EB feature. They totally overhauled the traits and ancilliary system. It is WAAAAAY more realistic, and gives you WAAAAAY more role-play opportunity, if you like doing that.
True, I'm still in my first campaign and Egypt completely own the SE quarter of the map. I'm sending plague spies into their huge cities, though :laugh4:

I'm a huge, huge fan of tinkering with family members (hmmm, that came out wrong) and fiddling with their retinue (so did that) to help them be better governors or generals, depending on their own traits. Sounds like EB will be something that I'll enjoy once I've completed the game as different factions... which might be a few years, at this rate (I've been happily bashing around on this first campaign for six months now). Thanks for the reply about the mods, much appreciated :2thumbsup:

[Dafug3]

Yeah, Egypt usually eat up their neighbours because chariots are the best auto-resolve unit in the game and considering their massive income from their rich provinces, they are easily able to destroy the crumbling Selucids and the smaller powers in Asia. Britain, doesn't do as well because they don't have as much money, plus they don't transfer units properly from the isles to their mainland province.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Hey spongie (or anybody for that matter), if you want a tough game on vanilla, do the Pontic campaign.

Start expanding and be rewarded by stacks and stacks of Egyptians breathing down your neck.

But it tons of fun! Quite challenging, but once you get the system down, it's not much trouble.

Basically, you build stacks that consist solely of Persian Horse Archers. Then, whenever you fight Egypt, start by destroying ALL their chariots and other cavalry in a hail of arrows.

Then dismember the infantry. I admit it becomes monotonous upon occasion, but it is quite a fun challenge all the same. Try to beat Egypt by fighting their way and die! :laugh4:

Murdersome HA fire is the way to go. Most of your casualties will be friendly fire as a result of all your mounted archers. :2thumbsup:

[Unstoppable_Parthia]

For all those saying that Egypt ALWAYS wins, in my Greek Cities campaign at the moment, the Kingdom on Pontus owns the entirety of Asia minor and has both Sidon and Jerusalem and is still moving south towards the Nile. Another weird thing being Thrace owning a large proportion of the Northern regions of the map, along with Britannia.

[Julius_Nepos]

I have returned to RTW myself after a rather long absence. I did this because of the colossal disappointment that ETW was at release. Rather than wait for the latest Total War installment to be brought up to a high standard, which could take another year, I decided to go back to something I at least knew was fun and engaging. I still play vanilla RTW/BI with my own modifications, not because they're better than the alternatives, but more so because they're good enough for me. In truth I'd never even gone through a full BI campaign before now and I'm rather enjoying my migrations as the Burgundians (so far).

RTW seems to hold up well over time like Morrowind does, so at least it gives a person like myself a fallback position if the latest game isn't what I was hoping for. On the other hand if Empire had been "all that" I probably wouldn't be posting here today either. Interesting how life turns out isn't it?

[gardibolt]

I've been playing a M2TW campaign lately, but I probably will do a BI campaign next. I want to take another stab at a horde since I got destroyed in my last try. ETW is just too graphics intense for my computer so I'm done buying CA products.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Well, in regards to the topic of this thread, I'm afraid I'm moving in the direction of M2TW. :embarassed:

Especially when EB II comes out...

Nonetheless RTW will have my loyalty as my first game in the total war series. :2thumbsup:

[Darkvicer98]

I keep going to both M2TW and RTW. Both seem good in their own ways.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

And actually the RTW multiplayer lobby is usually more full than the M2TW lobby. And by quite a lot sometimes, too.

I think RTW has a lot of life left in it. Definitely. :2thumbsup:

[Andros Antonius]

I just started playing RTW online through Steam (and I'm having some problems with it, getting dropped from the lobby or disconnecting from games), and it seems the community isn't very big anymore. I guess that makes sense since the game is like 5 years old. I didn't see anyone playing BI though; it was all the original RTW. But everyone there says that MTW2 and ETW are worse, or that the series is getting worse with each game.

[Ed TW]

I play all of them except for Empire (What a disapointment).
I'm playing Rome right now. Just played Barbarian previously.
My all time favorite is still Shogun. As elementery as it is it still has
a more serious tone to it. Total War started to loose that after Rome.
I do like MTW2 I have to say. It wouldn't be fair to can that.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

I just started playing RTW online through Steam (and I'm having some problems with it, getting dropped from the lobby or disconnecting from games), and it seems the community isn't very big anymore. I guess that makes sense since the game is like 5 years old. I didn't see anyone playing BI though; it was all the original RTW. But everyone there says that MTW2 and ETW are worse, or that the series is getting worse with each game.

Generally the M2 lobby is emptier than the RTW one.

My personal oppinion is that M2 vanilla is better than RTW vanilla.

And I haven't played empire, but it seems like the general concensus is that the series is getting worse.

I dunno, I think ETW looks pretty cool, and I'll get it eventually. I'm just going to wait 'till the price drops. :beam: By then I might have a PC to run it...

But once all the patches are out and some good mods are developed, I'm sure ETW will be fine.

Oh, and of course there will inevitably be an expansion pack. Hopefully that will help.

[IceWolf]

I got to the point of where I had played vanilla RTW to death and got M2TW. I played it a lot for a couple of weeks and decided I like RTW better. The colors in M2TW are all murky and the camera has a soft focus on it unless you're on ground level which I also didn't like. I now dl'd Amazon Total War for BI and it's like having a brand new game, it's all I play now

[Motep]

I myself have yet to get into an expansion or a mod. Only the original games for me, I suppose, but I admit to still enjoying a good game of rome. I love hoplites...

[Nelson]

I’m enjoying an RTR campaign right now.

The improvements from vanilla RTW are tremendous. Just dumping the goofy Ramses-style Egyptians is a huge step forward. I like the way the garish faction colors have disappeared too along with the sillier units.

[caravel]

I’m enjoying an RTR campaign right now.

The improvements from vanilla RTW are tremendous. Just dumping the goofy Ramses-style Egyptians is a huge step forward. I like the way the garish faction colors have disappeared too along with the sillier units.
Removing the silly Egyptians and the fantasy units is always a good thing, but personally I've always preferred the strongly colour coded factions/units in STW/MTW/RTW. In mods such as RTR and EB most units are a particular shade of brown, which means that it's difficult to tell units apart in battle.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Yeah I kinda liked the bright colors. Made the game feel more... vibrant. As opposed to BI, which is rather dark I think. Maybe it's because of all the filty barbarians.

But the advantages of mods (especially EB and RTR) far outweigh such things. :2thumbsup: If I want to fight with bright purple and red soldiers I can always run vanilla. :beam:

[caravel]

Yeah I kinda liked the bright colors. Made the game feel more... vibrant. As opposed to BI, which is rather dark I think. Maybe it's because of all the filty barbarians.

But the advantages of mods (especially EB and RTR) far outweigh such things. :2thumbsup: If I want to fight with bright purple and red soldiers I can always run vanilla. :beam:

It's not so much about "feel"... let me put it this way, would you like to go to watch a football match where both sides were in brown kit? At the end of the day, TW is a game. I see the colours in the same way as I see the interface, mouse pointer and unit cards: Necessary.

:bow:

[Nelson]

The colors are useful from a game play perspective, no doubt about that. But such play aids come at a cost.

My problem is that I, like a lot of TW players, am a wargamer. A grognard even!

Ergo I prefer to think of the TW series as wargames or simulations. They are indeed not strictly simulations and CA has said as much repeatedly. Still, I want as much sim as I can get on the battlefield. The huge banners, green arrows and day-glow faction colors that help players to follow the action shatter the feel and emersion that I want and that’s why I get rid of them. I want the troops to look the way we think they looked and to perform like we think they did.

Thankfully, with mods we can have it both ways. There can never be too many options. :smile:

[caravel]

That seems to be one of the drawbacks of RTW and later, in that the skins cannot simply be recoloured "on the fly" as in MTW. I've always said that people get different things out of TW games, which is what makes them quite unique.

:bow:

[Motep]

That seems to be one of the drawbacks of RTW and later, in that the skins cannot simply be recoloured "on the fly" as in MTW. I've always said that people get different things out of TW games, which is what makes them quite unique.

:bow:

Ah, how I miss that...

In fact, that is the only reason I started modding in the first place...everybody likes fresh skins

[Ariovistus Maximus]

everybody likes fresh skins

That should be the modder's motto or something. :laugh4:

[simulate]

God this forum is empty these days. :embarassed: It brings a tear to my eye. Cmon i know you are all still out there. Myself, well i haven't updated because of logistical issues :furious3: but that doesn't mean i would stop rtwin it. I know there are still players out there, why just last week i converted two of my mates to be rtw fanatics so i know the game still has some entertainment value.

So any ideas on how to reconnect to our lost brethren. (curse you etw and the flow of modern technology!!!!!!!!!) :wall:

Hi - I recently bought the "Total Wars Eras " compilation.

I have just started to play the 'ROME' game (a complete novice). Ignored for now the other two games.

I love the Roman period in history - (they eventually invaded my Country - when [Little Boot]Calligullar ruled).


Please keep this forum alive. I will return - after playing the game, for adivice.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Hi - I recently bought the "Total Wars Eras " compilation.

I have just started to play the 'ROME' game (a complete novice). Ignored for now the other two games.

I love the Roman period in history - (they eventually invaded my Country - when [Little Boot]Calligullar ruled).


Please keep this forum alive. I will return - after playing the game, for adivice.

Hey sim! Welcome to the .Org. 'Tis a most friendly and congenial place. :yes:

Well, if you'd like to further inspire your taste for TW games, I suggest you have a look at the AAR forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=37). Basically, people play the game and write about it as kind of a novel. Very good stuff.

And once you become familiar with the game, you might try one of the modifications (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=157), which allow you to adapt the game to your taste.

So... you live in... Brazil? :clown:

[simulate]

Hey sim! Welcome to the .Org. 'Tis a most friendly and congenial place. :yes:

Well, if you'd like to further inspire your taste for TW games, I suggest you have a look at the AAR forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=37). Basically, people play the game and write about it as kind of a novel. Very good stuff.

And once you become familiar with the game, you might try one of the modifications (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=157), which allow you to adapt the game to your taste.

So... you live in... Brazil? :clown:

Thanks for the welcome. :yes:

.... Brazil? :clown::wall::juggle2:

Thanks anyway. :balloon2:

[Caius]

Hi - I recently bought the "Total Wars Eras " compilation.

I have just started to play the 'ROME' game (a complete novice). Ignored for now the other two games.

I love the Roman period in history - (they eventually invaded my Country - when [Little Boot]Calligullar ruled).


Please keep this forum alive. I will return - after playing the game, for adivice.
The forum need a revolution or something. You know, a new patch, a new expansion or something.

[Tony Furze]

I'va also, at last, started playing RTW seriously after the demise of MTW. I'm playing vanilla vanilla-no factions unlocked, Julii, no mods, just straight ol' plain ol'. And enjoying it.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

The forum need a revolution or something. You know, a new patch, a new expansion or something.

Well, RTR 7 should be coming out, and there are many mods for RTW that are quite alive.

And really the AI doesn't seem to be developing greatly in intelligence by each game (they still don't do naval invasions AFAIK), I think RTW is far from extinct.

[Centurion1]

I always like coming back to this thread. Always nice to see that there are new players in the rtw community.

4 pages, not bad, all in all

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Not only the pages, but the length. :yes: This is the oldest non-stickied thread I've seen.

Actually it's among the first threads I posted in... :2thumbsup:

[Centurion1]

Hehe it is the first thread i created....

[Ariovistus Maximus]

You didn't post a thread for two years?? :dizzy2:

Memories, sweeeeet memoriieeessssss...

Anyways, maybe when RTW II comes out you'll have something to worry about.

Actually not even then because it will be so graphics-intensive that people will still play RTW. :D

And actually RTW online is still going strong. More people than M2TW online usually.

[Spartan198]

I still play RTW all the time. I'm just not as active here on the .Org as I used to be.

[Ashen]

Love rome, always will. RTR really helps - I actually only found out about it when I was part of the beta testing team - I think it was RTR6? Not entirely sure (im in the credits :P). But I find it really makes a huge HUGE difference, and really helps.

[Celt Centurion]

After almost four years I still enjoy RTW with the exception of too much rioting and too many revolts. I was trying to mod down the revolts a few days ago and got very deep into the files to do it but did not know specifically which file to open to mod down the unrest and revolts.

I have gotten so far as to make other factions playable.

I don't care about modding down rebel spawning, they are great experience builders for my armies.

But the riots and revolts really take away from the pleasure of the game.

I have noticed that in XGM, such events are rare.

In Medieval II TW, I have had one near riot because after fighting a battle, I could not get the army back to the city in the same turn but damage was light and nobody was killed.

Would someone please be so kind as to put the sequence to mod down the rioting again?

Thank You.

Fortitudo et Fides

Celt Centurion

[Cassus Belli]

I LOVE RTW and esp the BI add-on.

I long tired of playing the vanilla versions but I bought a large hard drive just so I could have a shebang load of GREAT RTW & RTW-BI MODS to play.
These MODs keep this game alive and well for me.

I am fascinated by this period of history and I love the way history buffs have taken this game to heart and done everything that they can to produce challenging and somewhat historical playing MODs for it.
I also have "Medieval 2: TW", but still like RTW-BI better, so far.

I was anxiously awaiting "Empire: Total War" but read so many sad reviews on it that it is the first of the Total Wars series since Shogun that I have not bought.

Of all the Total Wars, I like RTW-BI the very best, and were it not for the vast array of very talanted and dedicated modders and their variety of Great MODs on this series, I'm sure that when I have the time I'd be playing something else.

I first got hooked on strategy games with "Civilization," and I have evolved through a variety of venues since but of all of them I still find myself drawn to playing RTW-BI Mods the most!!!! :2thumbsup:

[Spongie]

...I bought a large hard drive just so I could have a shebang load of GREAT RTW & RTW-BI MODS to play. I wanted to take a look at EB but didn't realise it was possible to have more than one installation of RTW. It doesn't mess up the cookies?

[Tony Furze]

I wanted to try EB but it doesn't even install. The same with the first triumvirate mod, which I was really keen on.

What's the added experience of RTR? I'd like to know from some who have actually played it.

The vanilla RTW has + es and -es although I like the concept and the battles. I just can't get on with the senate and the three families idea.

I've tried Lusted's Terrae Expugnandae, which really gives a familiar MTW feel. The XGM is also excellent , giving more character to the game.

[Bellicin]

Rome: Total War is still the best game in its genre as far as I'm concerned. Loved it from the day it came out and I still do. Of course I'm a huge sucker for that era, which doesn't make it worse :yes:

Sure, it has some downsides and bugs that were never fixed but compared to anything else on the market it's far superior no matter. Just being able to tweak and twink with pretty much anything in a huge empire, being able to choose your own battles (well, if you're good and lucky) AND getting the possibility to see every individual soldier fight and die on the battlefield up close... that's not something most games offer.

Only recently bought Empire: Total War myself and even though my first impressions were... not so good (total crash in my first battle among other things) I'm now thoroughly enjoying the grand campaign. Despite some new oddities that weren't apparent in Rome (battle AI being worse and battlecontrols absolutely nonfunctioning sometimes etc) it really is a great game and worth trying for any TW-nut, in my opinion.

Kind regards

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Yeah RTW will probably remain popular since the AI really hasn't improved to speak of.

However I did really like many of the improvements to the M2TW interface, and ETW seems to have some very interesting innovations as well.

[Nelson]

What's the added experience of RTR? I'd like to know from some who have actually played it.



I’ll speak to the added experience of RTR.

First off, using RTRPE (Platinum Edition), the first thing you notice is the map changes. There are more regions. Italy has 10 or more. Malta has a town. Britannia has no towns however because I guess there are limits to the faction count.

And speaking of factions, they change too. Rome is one republic. There are not three factions and a Senate. Bactria is a faction.

Unit skins are changed and drop the garish faction colors of the vanilla game. They are generally more muted and handsome IMO. The goofier units disappear. I haven’t seen any burning pigs, canine units, or gladiator units in the field or in my build options although to be honest I may not have teched high enough for them all and I’m playing my first RTR campaign as Rome. I suspect they are not present. The Ramses style Egyptians are replaced by proper Ptolemaic Greek forces, thank Jupiter! I was able to raise any of the pre-Marian units on turn one from velites to triarii. Originally, by the time you could make triarii it was almost time for Marius so you never did get to have a decent Republican legion with all it’s parts.

Battles take longer. Units still break but not nearly so fast. Troops can take a while to wear down.

The best and most profound change concerns the way conquered towns must be developed. In vanilla RTW one could capture a city and promptly replace losses having just blown in and taken the place. Need more legionaries deep in Germania? No problem? Enlist some replacements, raise a garrison and steamroll on! Those days are gone in RTR. You can’t raise bupkis in a newly acquired territory. Areas of recruitment are introduced and come in three tiers. These are improvements purchased like buildings that can eventually let you raise local troop types. Consequently it could be 10 or more turns before you can get any troops at all from your new acquisition. And even then it may never support your whole unit roster. This new process slows the strategic game down a lot because you must raise your troops in your homeland and send them out to the frontier as needed while relying on limited mercenary support. Ergo you really do need to plan how much you can be doing at one time. The game still limits a city to one new unit per turn.

There are other changes as well but these came to mind first.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Somewhere in this thread I have a longish post about the wonders of EB.

RTR (especially whent RTR VII comes out) and EB are both SUPERB mods; you should try them. :yes:

[A1_Unit]

I still like RTW but it's outdated and I hope Rome 2: Total War will come out soon.:yes:

[comrade_general]

RTW will always be my favorite. :beam:

[Ariovistus Maximus]

I still like RTW but it's outdated and I hope Rome 2: Total War will come out soon.:yes:

Don't forget that EB II is coming out. A phenominal mod for RTW, it is now coming out for M2!

Definitely will hold me over for a long time. :beam:

[G. Septimus]

RTW will always be my favorite. :beam:
Yeah, Me to.
RTW is the best!!! especially Barbarian Invasion(BI) the general's costume is freakin awesome!!!!
(for the captains i mean)

[Samofrome]

I do too

[Necrosis]

Rome: Total War is my favourite of the three Total War games I've played, those being RTW, M2TW and ETW. The others just feel like re-skins, or even mods of RTW. Also the diversity of mods for RTW enhance the experience ten-fold. I still play occasionally, albeit with mods.

[Dodge_272]

Yes for Europa Barbarorum which I will play until Europa Barbarorum 2 is released.

[Subedei]

I play EB for years now ande still lovin´it!

[IceWolf]

I do, although I'm playing Amazon Total War mod at the moment. I got M2TW and played it for about 3 weeks then came back to RTW then finally got a version of ATW that wanted to play nice with my pc and I've been playing it for about 6 months now. ETW doesnt appeal to me at all.

Icewolf

[Merdan]

I play RTW since release and can not stop. The reason is to find out how i can manage the diplomaticsystem of the engine so that my allys don´t attack me.:wall:

[IceWolf]

You're chasing a wild goose there my friend. The ai will always betray you in the end. Just learn to live with it.

Icewolf

[gollum]

Originally posted by Merdan
The reason is to find out how i can manage the diplomaticsystem of the engine so that my allys don´t attack me.

You are indeed wasting your time, the "military" AI and the "diplomatic" AI are in conflict hence their offers for alliance/ceasefire and immediate braking of it.

There was IIRC a mod, that consisted of basically a script that forced the AI to agree to diplomatic negotiations with the player, but i cannot remember for good wether it was for Rome or M2. Have a look around, maybe ask in the Europa Barbarorum forum or something.

Such an option can be put to good use to have a more reasonable diplomacy, if you choose deals that are fair for you and the AI. It can also of course be exploited, but that's not how i would have used it.

Also remember that level of campaign difficulty plays a great part on this; you can forget any meaningful diplomacy if you are playing on Very hard and very little on hard.

You can get the most reasonable diplomacy if you play on normal, and then aboid transgressions and building up too strong or too weak forces on the border of factions you intend to ally with, while make sure you use the "gift" function often enough that increases your standing/reputation with that faction and make them more likely to treat you well diplomatically.

Also even if another faction you intend to ally with sends a large stack and besieges one of your cities keep pleading for peace with your diplomat and offer money for it, after you made it a number of times, the "military" AI is often (but not always) convinced and bugs out, allowing relationships to futrher improve (with the use of gifts) etc.

Whatever you do do not ask for militay access - teh AI tends to view you with extreme suspicion after this which means taht your relations meter is droping.

However if you play in normal difficulty, avoid blitzing the AI, as if you do, you will find out that there is very little fun you can have with the game; its ridiculously easy. Normal camp. diff. is really good if you like to roleplay your characters and are not interested in a conquest fest.

:bow:

[Merdan]

It was a little ironic in my words, but i think some tips for long allyances i have found out:

Some things i have noticed for a long time allyance:
Do not have borders with your ally. When you have borders, do not build any type of roads and set large garrisons in the bordercity.
Do not have habors in the range of ships of your ally.
Do not have tradecontracts with enemys of your ally.
Do not set any type of troops on the land of your ally, and spys.

Can be a dream but sometimes i can have with this playstyle a long allyance.:juggle2:

@ the topic,
i love the time of rome and the battles, thats the reason i play rome again and again.

[gollum]

Well yes, its far easier to maintain an alliance with far off factions - so much easier in fact that i didnt had in mind that eventuality when i wrote the above post.

[caravel]

The reason it's easier to maintain alliances with distant factions is because those faction's are simply not close enough to your faction, to engage in hostilities. That much is quite obvious.

[Cute Wolf]

Phew, the EB forums are still very busy....
And I also play the Vanilla BI, even with their (glup), inaccuracy and cartoon like units, at least kick out the Various Barbarians with armies made from Plumbatarii is still really fun.... oh yeah, not to mention that the Huns had really badass numbers of horsies!:yes:

[gollum]

BI was always better than the original game in terms of balance. In fact try to mod the unit speeds to 0.775-0.8 average for ground modifiers and take out the wardogs, nerf the beserkers and other such minor adjustments (not to forget the bonus that ERE gets from its Governor buildings) and the BI campaign can really shine.

:bow:

[Suraknar]

I just reinstalled RTW yesterday patched to 1.5 (i never got BI).

Spent all Day remoding it to my taste so i can start a new Campaign, my Ideal mod is not yet done as I have many unit models to add for all factions but for now I have made the Buildings, Movement and Units modifications manually, and also Loaded Mundus Magnus for 1.5 (just the Map/Resource change), and downloaded EB 1.1 and 1.2 from which I need to carry over many of its models and usints I like to play with.

I think EB team did a great job with it and I have played one campaign with it but it is not the game-play fun I seek, so I custom tailor the game to my preferences instead.

The good thing here is that RTW moding is more accessible than later TW titles, so it is always easy to make drastic alteration in a few days, I am going to save it this time around thought once I finish it.

So yeah, RTW is still going and kicking, I just wish they redid STW in a 3D engine as well...I miss it lots as well.

[Stuie]

The good thing here is that RTW moding is more accessible than later TW titles, so it is always easy to make drastic alteration in a few days.....

Which is funny, since we all complained about how difficult it was to mod when it first came out. I just came back to it after a couple years off, and found it really easy to get back into the files and start messing around.

So I'm back - and I still like RTW (properly modded, of course).

[Suraknar]

Which is funny, since we all complained about how difficult it was to mod when it first came out. I just came back to it after a couple years off, and found it really easy to get back into the files and start messing around.

So I'm back - and I still like RTW (properly modded, of course).

Yes initially, it was the move to a 3D engine too, most modders were used to mod the 2D sprite based STW or MTW.

But compared to what you have to do to ETW to mod it... I tried some of the tools early on..yet in between the fact that it is linked to Steam and the fact we have to use tools that practically hack in to the files in order to modify them...I quickly said.."screw that" and just played the game...until I got bored of it.

Anyways, I am enjoying RTW now, at least I can be creative with it too, I had some fun yesterday I overdid some changes and the AI swamped me big time LOL!! Back to tweaking :)

[Chainsawfist]

I just bought the game two months ago, always had a feigning interest in it, really into it.

[pevergreen]

Was playing 1.0 again a few days ago, upgraded to 1.5 last night, currently attempting to hold Sicily and take out carthage. Stupid people keep revolting in Sicily.

Garrisons are 4 units of town watch, with a small standing army (4-6 units) for each area. (so one on the mainland soon, one on Sicily and another in carthage when I take it)

[IceWolf]

I see the post above and fear that this site has been taken over by an evil spam monkey, such a shame. I remember this site in its glory days, there was always something useful going on. Now it's a ghost town

IceWolf

[gollum]

Its because the vast majority of people who play RTW play mods. Actually that part of teh forums has very many viewings and it is very much alive. I dont think that many people would disagree that the vanilla game isn't as good as mods are.

[pevergreen]

Its because the vast majority of people who play RTW play mods. Actually that part of teh forums has very many viewings and it is very much alive. I dont think that many people would disagree that the vanilla game isn't as good as mods are.

You can't really disagree with that.

I do like vanilla, but thats because I played it for at least a year before I found mods, and I love the look of the Hastati etc roman troops. The entire era. :smitten:

Currently the Scipii have abandoned Rome and are in Britan. We own the isles, I'm upgrading and building my army.

2 Generals, 4 Hastati, 4 Principles, 4 Triarii, 2 Roman Archers, 4 Legionary Cavalry.

Sometimes 4 Archers, 2 cav.

[coalition]

I will never stop playing this game, this game attaches to you in a very memorable way......I just cannot uninstall this game....

[Garvanko]

Im back playing it after a long time and loving it again. XGM is the best mod I have played.

[DrFitzgerald]

I still play the game occasionaly. I find blitzing the vanilla map using only one type of soldier to be quite fun. However the mods really bring it alive for me. Europa Barbarorum is a great historical that I play quite a bit of. I also like to play some of the Rome: Total Realism mod sets which expand on a specific area such as Iberia or Italy and Africa for example.

[Lord Reid of Britannica]

I still play the game quite often. Playing it right now in fact.