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[Armeniacus]

Why does Romani just have imperial archer? why can't Romani do Roman archers in the beginning of the game? like the others...

[abou]

Find us some examples of the Romans using archers made up of Roman citizens and not auxiliaries or mercenaries and we could do a unit for EB2.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The Romans don't appear to have used archers, so we didn't give them any.

[Armeniacus]

Can't you just create a roman archer unit for EB, like hellenic archer?

[Maion Maroneios]

Can't you just create a roman archer unit for EB, like hellenic archer?
Dude, haven't you yet figured out this isn't vanilla RTW? The EB team includes units only if there are sources mentioning them, and/or if they had any serious impact or had been used in considerable numbers in ancient times.

Maion

[Nachtmeister]

For that - play vanilla RTW! ^^
EB is about realism and historic accuracy. Romans used no citizen archers => Romans get no ingame native archers. You can levy hellenic archers in hellenic provinces and sotaroas in cisalpine Gaul, so you do have access to archers if you do something for it. If you insist on having native archers at the start of the game no matter what - just mod them in... If you can imagine going with intended game-play, the recruitment viewer is very helpful in finding out where to get certain very powerful auxiliaries. I personally find the game to be much more fun that way. That depends upon your approach to games though - but I doubt that the EB team will mod in Roman citizen archers because of the above stated reasons and because EB1.2 is supposed to be the last EB I release... Sorry to have no more gratifying answer.

[Armeniacus]

l know... l am surprised that the romans didn't have any archers until the roman imperial age:S are you guys really sure about that? maybe you did a mistake...

[A Very Super Market]

Well, you shouldn't be surprised, and you really shouldn't be attempting to argue a point like this against historians, while you have no sources for your side.

[Megas Methuselah]

l know... l am surprised that the romans didn't have any archers until the roman imperial age:S are you guys really sure about that? maybe you did a mistake...

Those imperial archers aren't even Roman citizens, just the poor bloody auxilia. :clown:

If you want archers in the beggining, go conquer a Greek or Barbarian settlement and recruit the Celtic archers or Hellenic archers there. Mercenaries tend to work fine, too.

[Armeniacus]

Okay!:egypt:

[Hax]

I have two comments:

1) When you open a thread, is it too hard to think of a fitting thread title?

2) Why do you think the Romans should have factional archers? These are historians who have put a lot of work into creating this mod.

[Armeniacus]

1) what's done, is done

2) Because l thought that the romans had factional archers...

[Mulceber]

2) Because l thought that the romans had factional archers...

But why? It's pretty clear that the Romans were very much into their heavy infantry, to the point where they didn't focus much at all on cavalry. Given this, why is it so surprising that they wouldn't have any archers of their own?

And why do you care anyway? Just conquer Rhegion and build a local barracks. Problem solved, you can get Aktonasti. Does it really matter if they can't be recruited at the Romans' own barracks? -M

[vartan]

Romans don't need archers when they've got a checkerboard formation of tanks steamrolling Europa.

:beam:

-Vartan

[Maion Maroneios]

2) Because l thought that the romans had factional archers...
First of all, I second Hax's first point. You could think of a more befitting title, it's not that hard. Secondly, replying to your quoted statement, that's where your mistake lies. It's not what you think that's true. The EB team has put a lot of effort into creating this mod, going through debates and discussions with historians about what is historically accurate and what now. Implying they made a mistake is, if you want my oppinion, an insult. And a heavy one as well. Just stick with what you got.

If you want advice, use your Roman slingers if you need ranged support in the beginning. Later, by coming in contact with more Hellenized areas, you can recruit good skirmishers like Akontistai (better than their Roman counterparts from what I've experienced) and Toxotai. Peltastai are also excellent skirmishers. And, of course, the famous Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers).

Maion

[Jolt]

l know... l am surprised that the romans didn't have any archers until the roman imperial age:S are you guys really sure about that? maybe you did a mistake...

Yeah, they did a mistake. They also forgot to include screaming women the Germans tribes used immensely which broke the Roman legions apart or the Head Hurlers which drove Caesar out of the British isle. Not to mention the pink Ninja hordes the Parthians had which were the fear of Crassus. Also the entire Ptolomaic rooster (Ptolomaic? Wtf is that?) is cloned from the Greek factions. Ridiculous mod.

[Megas Methuselah]

Yeah, they did a mistake. They also forgot to include screaming women the Germans tribes used immensely which broke the Roman legions apart or the Head Hurlers which drove Caesar out of the British isle. Not to mention the pink Ninja hordes the Parthians had which were the fear of Crassus. Also the entire Ptolomaic rooster (Ptolomaic? Wtf is that?) is cloned from the Greek factions. Ridiculous mod.

They also have naked men with attractive genitalia. Now that is historically inaccurate if you ask me.

[Nachtmeister]

Yeah, they did a mistake. They also forgot to include screaming women the Germans tribes used immensely which broke the Roman legions apart or the Head Hurlers which drove Caesar out of the British isle. Not to mention the pink Ninja hordes the Parthians had which were the fear of Crassus. Also the entire Ptolomaic rooster (Ptolomaic? Wtf is that?) is cloned from the Greek factions. Ridiculous mod.

:laugh4::smash:

Armeniacus, it has been rumored that even some university professors specializing in ancient history around the EB timeframe have participated in the process of creating EB's unit rosters. People here will get upset if you just blurt out "maybe you're wrong" because they spent very, very much time and effort on trying not to be wrong. Just saying "you're wrong" takes neither time nor effort and also no tact - as does posting a thread without a topic, thereby practically forcing everyone who doesn't want to miss something significant to read it - just to find out that it's a totally insignificant thread. This also upsets people because it wastes their time. I am assuming that you are rather young or rather new to the internet - or just had a bad hair day, so I would say learning is something we all need to do (which is why I am posting this, in order to explain to you why you did not get what you came for in this thread); I have also sometimes made problematic posts, some of them maybe even here in the EB forum - and people have stayed reasonable and explained to me what I did wrong.
Let me recommend to you the help posts on this forum for correct "behaviour" and with some general information about EB, here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=112579
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106931
and running a google search for the word "netiquette";
these have proven very helpful to me.
Do not mistake this for mockery or the likes; I am just trying to assist.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Question answered. Thread concluded. No need to bash someone for asking questions.