Worthless & Funny Units

[Lancome]

OK let me start...

Aztec Coyote Priest(funny)- Dont they look like batman?

Town Militia(Worthless)- I fought 4 rebel Sudanise Swordmen with my 4 Town militia(light mail upgrade) and no General. Yeaaaaa..... they were routed! I was like :furious3:

[Ramses II CP]

Danish Obudshaer. Supposed to be a top tier halberd/pike mix, but they perform worse in the field than swordstaff militia.

:egypt:

[The New Che Guevara]

The scottish pikemen in the Britannia campaign... who hold their weapons into combat where it will do no good whatsoever. Then get massacred by horses.

Honestly... they really are poor at reeneacting the greek pikemen and hoplites.

[AchubaNanoiaBR]

The scottish pikemen in the Britannia campaign... who hold their weapons into combat where it will do no good whatsoever. Then get massacred by horses.

Honestly... they really are poor at reeneacting the greek pikemen and hoplites.

I love me some good ol' Pikemen when playing as Scotland! Sure, they die like flies against missile fire, but have a bunch of Pikemen or more and some nasty crossbows waiting behind the pointy wall, and the enemy will rout pretty quick.

Now, for worthless I don't know, anything in good enough quantities has it's uses, even peasants! Somebody has to manage that battering ram...

For funny, I gotta go with Assassin. Every time my assassin fails an assanination, I cry inside but grow a smile when I see the movie.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

Azabs. Absolute worthless.

[Zaleukos]

Feudal knights. They barely provide any extra oomph compared to the predecessors, and are only top dogs for a short while (going from fortress to citadel is pretty quick compared to reaching fortress...). Pretty stupid design for a unit that is supposed to dominate the medieval battlefield. I set the baron's stable to produce them to make them a bit more common.

[Zajuts149]

Feudal knights. They barely provide any extra oomph compared to the predecessors, and are only top dogs for a short while (going from fortress to citadel is pretty quick compared to reaching fortress...). Pretty stupid design for a unit that is supposed to dominate the medieval battlefield. I set the baron's stable to produce them to make them a bit more common.

I totally agree. I'm modding the game to get Feudal Knights from castle level. Mailed Knights are waay too numerous in the game.

[risker]

Greek Firethrowers. What a waste of money for twenty guys who only shoot right before a charge killing two horses and getting ripped to shreds by the rest.

[oz_wwjd]

Actually Greek Flamethrowers are quite effective,used right. There strength is in siege battles,you position them so that anything that comes through the gates runs into concentrated fire,and the units routs almost immediatley.

[Mete Han]

Russisans have two units which have absolutely identical stats, the dism. druzhina and dism. boyar sons. Am i missing something? Same morale same discipline and also armor. Where is the catch?

[Prussian to the Iron]

if im not mistaking (and odds are, i am) its just a cosmetic difference. i think they even have the same upkeep and abilities.

but i like to have an equal amount of both in my armies, instead of just several of 1. mix it up a little.


i find mailed knights pretty good; i use them because i prefer the sight of tear drop kite shields and mailed knights to the look of fuedal knights. of course in a serious army (with my king) chivalric is the way to go.

useless: Italian Militia. looks good, sounds good, performs crappy in combat. italian spear militia is a surprisingly enormous step up.

[risker]

Has anybody done the funny yet? Sherwood Archers anyone?


Another unit I hate is the forlon hope? (HRE)



Like the Sherwood Archers it's got less units than the zwei hander and the zwei hander is only a little worse and cheaper (I think). Wierd. Unlike the Sherwood archers, they're not cool and funny.


Prussian Iron, at least they're better than the normal generic miltia. :whip::whip::whip::whip:

[Prussian to the Iron]

forlorn hope are awesome! send them in once a breach is made int he walls and youve won.

and zweihander is like the same only a little worse stats.

[Mr Polska]

Use Forlorn Hope if you can't get Zwei Handers. Otherwise, use the latter.

[risker]

Prussian Iron, Zwei hander has 30 units I think. Forlon Hope have 12?


Correct me if I'm wrong...

[Prussian to the Iron]

wtf? i always play on huge settings; theres no point in playing a game that incluudes the crusades and all the wars in medieval europe if you're only using a few hundred men max in a full stack.

i'm fairly sure that they are both the same strength, or forlorn hope a bit more. whichever is worse is gonna have more.

offtopic though comeone discussion over.

[Seabourch]

Levy Spermen. Exact same stats as Spear militia, why bother?

[Khan]

Pilgrims, no thanks. Bit of arrow fodder for ya lads.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Pilgrims, no thanks. Bit of arrow fodder for ya lads.

HELL YES!!! I hate Pilgrims; i just want my unhorsed knights and crusader spearmen!!! thier equivalents for muslim factions is horrible as well. Ghazis i think?

[risker]

I think pilgrims go in both funny and worthless. You've got to laugh when they get cut into tiny pieces when there's a cavalry charge nearby.



Could someone remind me who gets levy spearmen?

[_Tristan_]

Levy spearmen are England basic infantry

[Khan]

HELL YES!!! I hate Pilgrims; i just want my unhorsed knights and crusader spearmen!!! thier equivalents for muslim factions is horrible as well. Ghazis i think?

I believe so, yes. Quite an awful thought actually, sending pilgrims to take the barrage of arrows...

[Prussian to the Iron]

i guess tahts their payment:

"Ok, yeah, we'll take you to the Holy Land. BUT you need to help us escort you though."
"How my lord?"
"Well, rather than using cavalry or fast infantry to deal with Saracen Archers, we are just going to keep throwing you guys at them until they run out of arrows!"
"Sounds like a plan!"

[Seabourch]

Levy spearmen are England basic infantry

I know that but they have the same exact same stats as Spear militia. This means one of them is redundant and has to go, personally just go for spear militia. You get free upkeep in cities.

[_Tristan_]

I know that but they have the same exact same stats as Spear militia. This means one of them is redundant and has to go, personally just go for spear militia. You get free upkeep in cities.

I was only answering that question...



Could someone remind me who gets levy spearmen?

[A1_Unit]

i guess tahts their payment:

"Ok, yeah, we'll take you to the Holy Land. BUT you need to help us escort you though."
"How my lord?"
"Well, rather than using cavalry or fast infantry to deal with Saracen Archers, we are just going to keep throwing you guys at them until they run out of arrows!"
"Sounds like a plan!"

The only thing they are good for is using the battering ram - they don't mind the oil so much.:laugh4:

[risker]

I still love pilgrims. :beam:



They must be the coolest guys on earth.





What are those other ones who have a massive peice of wood. Now that's what I'm talkin about!:smash:

[Prussian to the Iron]

religious fanatics. more useless crusade units!

[risker]

They actually are better than most standard spear Militia. Worth it just for the cinematic of them knocking their big wooden logs on the heads of their enemies. :yes::smash::smash::smash:

[Prussian to the Iron]

the cinematic of them knocking their big wooden logs on the heads of their enemies.

What?

if you didn't get that....go back to the last day of 5th grade please :yes:

[PBI]

Peasant archers are pretty much worthless; the only units they stand a chance of harming are the other militia units, which are scarcely worth killing anyway.

Ribaults I think are also a unit which looks impressive the first time you use them, but are actually almost worthless except in a few rather specific siege situations.

Regarding Feudal vs Mailed Knights; it's worth noting that Mailed Knights have the significant advantage of being slightly faster moving, giving them an edge in a number of tasks, perhaps most notably their ability to chase down a routing enemy family member.

[Seabourch]

Cheaper too.

[Yesugey]

As worthess units, Peasants are Number one, no doubt.

But if we decide thier worthlessness with "worth/cost" calculation, yes Ghazis and Pilgrims comes to the table. Which is really sad, because they both were deadly shock troops on MTW.

I also noticed some other thing: some special units have equal abilities but somehow they have strange cost difference. There are lots of examples, for now i remember "Polish Guards" and "Polish Knights". Guards looks much more armoured and they cost alot more, but they are same (even little worse) with Polish Knights, according to their stats and unit size and at all.
"Hussars" also extremely expensive, yet even weaker than Polish Knights. Possibly its an advantage payment for training heavy cavalry from cities.

[Cute Wolf]

Hllberd militia.... pike militia is just waay better and far cheaper