EB Unit List Reloaded

[SirRethcir]

Hello EB-Team!

I have recoded the EB Unit List.
It is now up-to-date and hopefully not worse than before. ;)
However the maps are not updated and I haven't touched "Unit Compare".

EB Unit List Reloaded

new Features:

up to date data (EB 1.2)
Unicode support
improved layout and graphics
"Reset" now resets all search filters
search string is no longer case sensitive
improved compatibility
tested with:

Internet Explorer 6
Internet Explorer 7
Firefox 2
Firefox 3 (3.0.8)


http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/thumbnails/u45900i196_t.gif (http://www.imgbox.de/?img=u45900i196.jpg)http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/thumbnails/l4528d196_t.gif (http://www.imgbox.de/?img=l4528d196.jpg)http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/thumbnails/t6714z196_t.gif (http://www.imgbox.de/?img=t6714z196.jpg)

EB 1.2 Unit List Reloaded (v1.2) can be downloaded [EDIT: link taken down: it did not point to the unit list any more].

The Online-Version can be found on http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/ .


:hourglass: Next will be an online version without JavaScript. (*DONE*) After that "Unit Compare" will be revamped.

[anubis88]

awesome... gonna download it right away:2thumbsup:

[Tarkus]

Excellent job!!! Many thanks for doing this.

[seienchin]

Excellent!!!
Finally the search funktion really works :egypt:

[anubis88]

i should download this directly in the eb folder or where?? It won't mess up anything will it?:juggle2:

[soup_alex]

Oh, man.

Balloon for you, good sir! :balloon2:

[Fabio Scevola]

I can see the preview, AND IT IS GREAT!!!
My ***** Internet explorer was preventing me from use this awesome help. Nothing I can do, company computer...

[Elcmar]

Awesome! Thank you very much! :2thumbsup:

[Maion Maroneios]

Excellent! Downloading it right away :yes: Kudos to you, sir.

@ Elcmar: Dude, you're one of us :yes: Nice signature quote, there :thumbsup:

Maion

[Elcmar]

@ Elcmar: Dude, you're one of us :yes: Nice signature quote, there :thumbsup:

Maion

Yeah, thought it was pretty good alright - gotta keep those barbaroi divided :smash:

[Lovejoy]

:2thumbsup: Wow! You are a hero SirRethcir! :2thumbsup:

Fantastic work:yes: Someone should stick this thread.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Nice! :2thumbsup:

Bugs: right click event does not work in Opera (10, but I am fairly `confident' this issue will exist in 9.4 as well). That may be Opera doing JavaScript differently, but still. Glitch: the tool tip is not very well readable on the leathery background (black text on dark background).
Firefox 3.0.9 fares a lot worse: the page is not centered meaning that the left-hand ornaments are obscured, and you get a vast stretch of background texture on the right. Image does not float properly either, it is displayed as a block element. Oh and the tool tips are dislocated: the offsets caculated end up a significant negative value (which makes some small tool tips end up like 50px above the cursor).

On Konqueror 4.2.2 you will not get any JavaScript at all and therefore no unit list at all.

I would suggest using a keystroke (much more easily implemented across different browsers) or custom image-button instead. Plus it is not a very nice behaviour to steal the context menu. For instance, if I want to investigate whether or not certain CSS tricks would fix the layout in Firefox 3.0.9 I must first disable the JavaScript, make my edits, and then somehow `fully' re-enable the JavaScript without having the reload the page... Copying/Pasting text will of course not be impossible, but not everyone uses the Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V keystrokes either. :wink:

And yes, I suppose many of these bugs exist in the old version as well. ~;)

[dimb]

Thank you very much!

[SirRethcir]

Bugs: right click event does not work in Opera (10, but I am fairly `confident' this issue will exist in 9.4 as well). That may be Opera doing JavaScript differently, but still.
[..]
On Konqueror 4.2.2 you will not get any JavaScript at all and therefore no unit list at all.
Well, there is enough grief in doing this for the two big players (IE, Firefox), so let's say this Application requires one of these two browsers.


Plus it is not a very nice behaviour to steal the context menu.
If it were a website, I would agree. But as said above, I see the "Unit List" as an application.
An application - as any other software too - needs certain requirements. In this case you need IE (> 6 ?) or Firefox (> 2 ?) and JavaScript activated.



Glitch: the tool tip is not very well readable on the leathery background (black text on dark background).
Hm, the same case in the unit list itself. ;) But of course one can change it.



Firefox 3.0.9 fares a lot worse: the page is not centered meaning that the left-hand ornaments are obscured, and you get a vast stretch of background texture on the right. Image does not float properly either, it is displayed as a block element. Oh and the tool tips are dislocated: the offsets caculated end up a significant negative value (which makes some small tool tips end up like 50px above the cursor).

I have tested it now with Firefox 3.0.8 and no problem here. :inquisitive:
Are you sure, you haven't malconfigured your browser?
Or did you modify one of the files? If you don't save them with the right encoding Firefox don't read them properly.

@all
Thanks for your very positive feedback. It's the payment for all the work.
Thank you!

PS: "Unit Compare" will be redone too. I have some nice ideas for it. But it will take a while and I have to do some other things before.

[Drewski]

Excellent hard work :applause:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well, there is enough grief in doing this for the two big players (IE, Firefox), so let's say this Application requires one of these two browsers.

The original was intended to work on Opera as well. (I beta tested an early version.)



If it were a website, I would agree. But as said above, I see the "Unit List" as an application.
An application - as any other software too - needs certain requirements. In this case you need IE (> 6 ?) or Firefox (> 2 ?) and JavaScript activated.




I have tested it now with Firefox 3.0.8 and no problem here. :inquisitive:
Are you sure, you haven't malconfigured your browser?
Or did you modify one of the files? If you don't save them with the right encoding Firefox don't read them properly.

I am quite sure. Litterally out of the box (a Kubuntu/Ubuntu 9.04, machine with Firefox 3.0.9 straight fresh from the repositories), and I do not normally use it so I have not bothered with preferences. (I keep it around for the occasional broken website/plugin.) I did not save anything at all, but used the test page you so kindly provided instead. :wink:

[SirRethcir]

A little Update:
Here (http://www.heimstatt.net/europabarbarorum/EB%201.2%20Units%20Documentation%20-%20Update.zip) is the update package which contains only the new or changed files.
The new Version can be found in the first post.
Adds:
- 3 missing unit pictures
- darker tooltip text
- changed "center function"



The original was intended to work on Opera as well.
Well, it doesn't work properly under IE.
Numbers from the statistics - User Agents (top 15)
25% IE (added together)
24% Firefox (added together)
1.6% Opera




I am quite sure. Litterally out of the box (a Kubuntu/Ubuntu 9.04, machine with Firefox 3.0.9 straight fresh from the repositories), and I do not normally use it so I have not bothered with preferences.
Perhaps Linux Firefox 3.0.9 != Windows Firefox 3.0.9 ?
As long as you are the only one I can do nothing about it.

[soup_alex]

Perhaps Linux Firefox 3.0.9 != Windows Firefox 3.0.9 ?
As long as you are the only one I can do nothing about it.

Actually, I've been reading the online version periodically from my girlfriend's laptop (Vista, firefox .8, apparently) and some (but not all, strangely) of the unit cards are left-aligned while the rest are correctly centred. I didn't seem to have any problem viewing on my own machine (XP, and a slightly older version of firefox), but without going back and checking I can't be sure this isn't because I'd only previously been viewing those unit cards that were properly aligned (I doubt it, though it is still strange that some pages are centred and others not).

Other than that and the few missing unit cards, I don't think I can report any other problems but a few minor spelling errors; even they're hardly worth mentioning.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I love the new Unit Documentation, and my eternal gratitude to you, as I am tired of going to EDU all the time when I know that such tool as unit compare exists. Yet another balloon for you: :balloon:

However, I do have one complaint. The window containing all the info and pictures is too small, or at least on my Firefox. Please make it larger, at least the size of the original unit compare.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Perhaps Linux Firefox 3.0.9 != Windows Firefox 3.0.9 ?
As long as you are the only one I can do nothing about it.

Here's a screenshot: https://img522.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img522/3559/snapshottfq.png Incidentally while re-creating the problem (with the tooltips) I described earlier, I found out that it (now) depends on the position of my scrollbars wheter they are displayed correctly or not. This can either be a Firefox bug, or a problem with how the off sets are calculated.

For a reference, I uploaded the preview page to browsershots.org:

http://browsershots.org/http://www.heimstatt.net/europabarbarorum/unitList

[SirRethcir]

Ok, this is how it should look like:

http://www.heimstatt.net/europabarbarorum/01.jpg
http://www.heimstatt.net/europabarbarorum/02.jpg



However, I do have one complaint. The window containing all the info and pictures is too small, or at least on my Firefox. Please make it larger, at least the size of the original unit compare.
The display size depends on your font size. In Firefox you can easily change the font size with
Ctrl+ +
Ctrl+ -
Ctrl+ 0


Here's a screenshot: https://img522.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img522/3559/snapshottfq.png Incidentally while re-creating the problem (with the tooltips) I described earlier, I found out that it (now) depends on the position of my scrollbars wheter they are displayed correctly or not. This can either be a Firefox bug, or a problem with how the off sets are calculated.
Ok, the tooltip thing is my bad. :oops:
In your picture the "unit info pic" is above all the other text, actually it should be on the left side (style: float:left).
That's why you have allways scrollbars, and the 'tooltip bug' occurs almost permanent.

Well, perhaps, I must rethink the positioning issue. :inquisitive:

Thanks for your help!

[Aemilius Paulus]

The display size depends on your font size. In Firefox you can easily change the font size with
Ctrl+ +
Ctrl+ -
Ctrl+ 0

Oh, c'mon. I know that stuff. If I wanted to change the font size I would have used that short-cut or go to "View" and select "Zoom". But that is not what I am talking about.

Take a look at your unit list and the original one. The original one has a window that extends through the entire length of the screen. It is a rectangle, standing vertically. Your window is a square. It cannot accommodate nearly as many lines of units.

It is not very comfortable to use. Just like browsing Internet with a cellular phone. Increasing the font size does nothing to alleviate this. I want more info on the screen, not larger, easier-to-read info.

I hope you understand what I am talking about. If not, I can provide screenshots, but honestly, I do not see how one cannot see the difference after viewing the two versions. Not to mention, I do not know where the screenshot folder for the non-game screenies is.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Oh, and did I mention that the new Unit List does not feature the Recruitment Map for each unit? That would be yet another nice addition.

[SirRethcir]

Take a look at your unit list and the original one. The original one has a window that extends through the entire length of the screen. It is a rectangle, standing vertically. Your window is a square. It cannot accommodate nearly as many lines of units.
[..]
I want more info on the screen, not larger, easier-to-read info.
I don't know what you talking about.
With the new Version you get all information at a glance. The only thing you must scroll is the description. It's the same in the old one.
So, as I understand, you really want to read the description "full screen". Well that's debatable - I'll think about it.

EDIT: Ah, you mean the list itself. Hm - I'll think about it.
By the way: "The original one has a window that extends through the entire length of the screen."
This is not quite true. It has a hardcoded height, so with a low screen resolution you either have to scroll twice or just use the space you can see without scrolling. ;)
The best way should be to automatically expand the box up to the browser bottom.



Oh, and did I mention that the new Unit List does not feature the Recruitment Map for each unit? That would be yet another nice addition..
I didn't include them because they are not up-to-date.

[SirRethcir]

Update and Bugfix:
Here (http://www.heimstatt.net/europabarbarorum/EB%201.2%20Units%20Documentation%20-%20Update.zip) is the update package which contains only the new or changed files.
The new Version can be found in the first post.

Adds:
- "Units List" expand in height according to browser dimensions
- though "Units List" has a minimal extent
Bugfix:
- tooltip now works as intended
- the unit image is now placed correctly inside the unit sheet

[SirRethcir]

Update:
I've added the maps, though I haven't updated them and some are missing.
See the first post for more!

[mlc82]

This looks really neat-

I know I'm REALLY going to sound stupid to all of you guys, but surely some lurkers are thinking the same- how do I use this? I've got it downloaded, not sure what to do with it or how to view it afterward... :dizzy2:

[Tellos Athenaios]

You unzip the downloaded .zip file in some directory, then double click the unitList.html file ... next time just double click the .html file...

[delablake]

thank you very mucho!:2thumbsup:

[Phalanx300]

Looks promising, downloading it now :2thumbsup:.

And maybe you should put a installation guide in the opening post.:idea2:

[SirRethcir]

And maybe you should put a installation guide in the opening post.:idea2:
Hm, maybe. :inquisitive:


The Online-Version can be found on http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/ .

[bovi]

I see you do not list the hitpoints correctly for special units like elephants and chariots. These have their "secondary" hitpoints added in battle too.

(Other units also have secondary hitpoints, but these are only counted for autoresolve. Similarly, autoresolve is different for elephants and chariots, where each rider gets as many hitpoints as the beast including riders in played-out battle).

[athanaric]

First of all, I want to say that this unit list is an excellent idea :2thumbsup:


I see you do not list the hitpoints correctly for special units like elephants and chariots. These have their "secondary" hitpoints added in battle too.


Cidainh have their HP listed correctly, but Scythed Chariots and Elephants haven't.




(Other units also have secondary hitpoints, but these are only counted for autoresolve. Similarly, autoresolve is different for elephants and chariots, where each rider gets as many hitpoints as the beast including riders in played-out battle).


What other units would these be? :inquisitive:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Some cavalry types, I think; IIRC there was some HP trickery to make Horse Archers perform better in auto resolve (they used to get indiscriminately slaughtered in auto resolve, making especially the life of AI nomads that bit more painful).

[ziegenpeter]

The link seems to be broken

[Tellos Athenaios]

The online-only link works just fine for me? :inquisitive:

[ziegenpeter]

The link seems to be broken

Edit: False. Sorry

[SirRethcir]

Update of the online version:

has now a filter selection for factions
applied filter are now shown directly
"Reset" resets all filter

http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/thumbnails/s14139w246_t.gif (http://www.imgbox.de/?img=s14139w246.jpg)

[bovi]

What other units would these be? :inquisitive:
That would be all of them. All infantry, as well as cavalry which are primarily melee units, get 1 extra secondary hitpoint. Ranged cavalry get 2 extra secondary hitpoints. This ensures that ranged cavalry are counted more like an actual battle would play out when autoresolving, giving the steppe factions their well-deserved teeth. Before this change, horse archers were deadly in played out battle (and they still are) but were completely massacred by common infantry like pantodapoi, as if they had charged into their lines. We first tried to only give the ranged cavalry 1 extra hitpoint and nothing for the infantry, but they were then outrageously overpowered. I think we have a good balance now.

It has a secondary effect of reducing the immense advantage the special units have in autoresolve, where chariots and elephants literally have several times their usual resilience. This is still not very close to the usual outcome of a played out battle.

[Dutchhoplite]

Is there some easy way to print all this :)

[Tellos Athenaios]

Your web browser of choice should let you print.

[Leão magno]

Really nice work! Thanks

[vartan]

Awesome list. Can't wait to compare!

[Darth Stalin]

The download link still is broken - the page does not exist...

[Kevin]

Someone should reupload this. The current one gives you a video of a dude swallowing... :skull:

[Jebivjetar]

Hm, maybe. :inquisitive:


The Online-Version can be found on http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/ .


this one works fine for me :smash:

[stratigos vasilios]

Hello ladies and gentlemen,

Unless it is my own browser, the upload url is a link called Marcel-böse Tabletten.zip... of a young man?

Thankyou for the online version, any chance of it being able to be downloaded once more?

Many thanks,
SV

[Kevin]

Yea the online one works, but I mean a downloadable version.

[DaciaJC]

Well, this is the best I can do. Hopefully it will work for you lads.

Link (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U9I9K81N).

You will need WinRAR (http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR-32-bit/3000-2250_4-10007677.html) to extract the folder (right-click and select "Extract to EB 1.2 Units Documentation 1.2/"). Inside the folder you will see "unitList", which is a Firefox document. If you use IE, right click and point to "Open With" and you should see IE listed. Once you have the webpage opened, you can easily bookmark it for quick viewing later. In order to the list to function correctly, you will need to allow scripts/ActiveX controls to run. If your browser automatically prevents this, a popup should appear. You should be given the option to allow the blocked content.

Unfortunately, you need your internet connection to be running to view the list. If you rename the folder and you also bookmarked the list webpage, you will need to go to the folder, click again on "unitList", and re-bookmark the webpage.

[Poppis]

Is the online list still being updated? Cohors Evocata gives me a fatal error.

[king of thracia]

A fantastic site, to be sure.

[ziegenpeter]

Would be cool if you could implement the native/regional option.

[ziegenpeter]

Good day fellow EB-Fans!
Sorry for the necromancy.
Due to the thread about the importance of elephants, I checked out the eles in the unit list and found 2 different kinds of forest eles in it.
You have the Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi, who have the same model as african bush eles and you got the smaller Pilei Ya'ar Libim. Those 2 have also different stats.
Is this a bug or are there actualy 2 units of forest eles?

Thank you.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Those are two different (sub-)species of elephants AFAIK one used by Carthage and another by the Ptolemies.

[vartan]

1) Does anybody need the offline version of the site that has real-time search filtering or whatever it's called? Because I have it.

2) There's at least one error on the site and I wouldn't call it absolutely horrible but it's a bit worrisome because I use the site (though am not dependent on it) for work on the wiki.
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/index.php?mp=unit&unit=dacian%20cavalry%20tarabostes&text=ktis&ownership=any&class=any&category=any
This guy ain't called Ktistai, he is actually supposed to be called Trabostates or something like that (sorry, I don't have EB running so I can't/won't check). In any case, the stats are probably right, that's not a problem. It's just a title thing, author accidentally titled it wrong, so just wanted to let y'all know in case you can't find Trabostates on the site...

[antisocialmunky]

You should link the offline version.

[athanaric]

This guy ain't called Ktistai, he is actually supposed to be called Trabostates or something like that (sorry, I don't have EB running so I can't/won't check). In any case, the stats are probably right, that's not a problem. It's just a title thing, author accidentally titled it wrong, so just wanted to let y'all know in case you can't find Trabostates on the site...
Ktistai:
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/units/getai/getai_ktistai.gif(bow/lance)


Tarabostes:
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/units/getai/getai_tarabostes.gif(lance/sword)

[vartan]

http://www.filefront.com/16843583/EB-1.2-Units-Documentation.7z/

You'll need 7-zip to unpack the documentation. It is freeware and is available here: http://www.7-zip.org/

[antisocialmunky]

On a related note, does anyone have a link to all the EB Factional Unit cards that one member made? I have most of them but I want to be sure.

[vartan]

On a related note, does anyone have a link to all the EB Factional Unit cards that one member made? I have most of them but I want to be sure.
For Recruitment Viewer? Install old version from EB site, and reinstall new one over it for new province data. The cards are pretty but the data on them is wrong, and the prices are WAY off.

[ziegenpeter]

Those are two different (sub-)species of elephants AFAIK one used by Carthage and another by the Ptolemies.

I think we might have a misunderstanding. I am well aware that there are bush elephants and forest elephants in the game. Bush elephants are taller than forest elephants, but forest elephants were more common in warfare. Besides one entry "bush elephants (http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/index.php?mp=unit&unit=african%20elephant%20bush&text=african&ownership=any&class=any&category=any)" however, when you look up "forest elephants", there are 2 entries in the unit list, one showing actually the model of a bush elephant
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/index.php?mp=unit&unit=african%20elephant%20forest%20towered&text=african&ownership=any&class=any&category=any
vs.
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/index.php?mp=unit&unit=african%20elephant%20forest&text=african&ownership=any&class=any&category=any

Or is it just the tower that makes me think the 1st forest elephant is also a bush ele? I always thought the fellas from the forest were to small&weak for towers.

[vartan]

Does it really matter which elephant those actually are? For all we know, the first is a bush elephant, and the second and third forest elephants...(make sure that this is what they're called in-game because Heimstatt cards rarely, but sometimes, have naming errors).

The important thing is that one forest ele has less elephants but an archer on top, and one has more elephants but no archers.

[Intranetusa]

I think the unit cards for the elephants might be wrong. Armored elephants have the same armor value of 14 as African bush and Indian elephants...

[vartan]

I think the unit cards for the elephants might be wrong. Armored elephants have the same armor value of 14 as African bush and Indian elephants...
There's that, along with other things like mixing Ktistai and Tarabostes [sic].

[SirRethcir]

There's that, along with other things like mixing Ktistai and Tarabostes [sic].
This is now fixed.

I've also included download links for the updated offline version.

***********
* Bugfix 1.2.1 *
***********
Features:
- faction selection added
- trailing commas removed
Bugs:
- light_spear: Light spear Spear -> Light spear
- tooltip: 'Side/Back spacing': betwean -> between
- DATA:
- missing data added: Cohors Evocata (roman infantry evocatae)
- wrong name and description: Ktistai (lance/sword) -> Tarabostes

[vartan]

I've also included download links for the updated offline version.
:furious3: No you haven't :embarassed:

[SirRethcir]

:furious3: No you haven't :embarassed:
http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/
Click on "Downloads"! ;)