View Full Version : Orgah Americans' Opinions On Obama
This is NOT meant for discussion, simply to collect polling data for another discussion. Please only vote if you are an American (A US citizen), as I will make the votes public and check them periodically.
I hope the choices are simple enough for everyone to know where they fit.
Louis VI the Fat
04-29-2009, 10:46
Hah! I can vote because I am an honorary* Texan. ~;p
*note the absent 'u'!! Just to show that I'll be as american as I like and there's nothing you can do about it...
Tribesman
04-29-2009, 13:03
This has got to be the funniest poll in a long time
This has got to be the funniest poll in a long time
umm....it is a straight forward poll that seeks to gauge the opinions of Americans on the Obama administration. The questions are almost identical to very similar poll that I put up about Former President Bush during a discussion about him. Is there some hillarious spelling mistake I am missing maybe? :embarassed:
KukriKhan
04-29-2009, 13:32
Hah! I can vote because I am an honorary* Texan. ~;p
*note the absent 'u'!! Just to show that I'll be as american as I like and there's nothing you can do about it...
El-o-El, ya'll.
This has got to be the funniest poll in a long time
Certainly the longest.
Tribesman
04-29-2009, 13:39
umm....it is a straight forward poll that seeks to gauge the opinions of Americans on the Obama administration. The questions are almost identical to very similar poll that I put up about Former President Bush during a discussion about him. Is there some hillarious spelling mistake I am missing maybe?
The funny thing is your votes:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
The funny thing is your votes:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
lol, just letting you know where I stand. ~;) Seriously though, this thread is just for the poll, not a discussion of how people vote, or the sidesplitting laughter said votes cause you. :bow:
CountArach
04-29-2009, 13:49
The funny thing is your votes:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I laughed as well, I'll be honest.
Also, one of those questions made me scratch my head:
People who critise Obama all do so because they are hateful, afraid, and often uneducated.
Most people who critise Obama do so for legitimate reasons, and not out of hate, fear, or ignorance.
The difference here is important - I would disagree with both statements because the word "all" in the first statement, by definition, means that no other option is plausible. I believe there are educated people who criticise Obama legitimately (Including some of the people on this site), but on the other hand I believe that there are a lot of people who do so without actually knowing what they are talking about. The same was true of Bush.
I laughed as well, I'll be honest.
Also, one of those questions made me scratch my head:
People who critise Obama all do so because they are hateful, afraid, and often uneducated.
Most people who critise Obama do so for legitimate reasons, and not out of hate, fear, or ignorance.
The difference here is important - I would disagree with both statements because the word "all" in the first statement, by definition, means that no other option is plausible. I believe there are educated people who criticise Obama legitimately (Including some of the people on this site), but on the other hand I believe that there are a lot of people who do so without actually knowing what they are talking about. The same was true of Bush.
A good point, could the mods make that 'Most' in both choices please. Sorry for the discrepancy, it was not intentional.
EDIT: What the question means to ask is 'most' CA, as a quantitative answer would not be possible or feasible for someone to give. I hope you understand.
Louis VI the Fat
04-29-2009, 14:53
A good point, could the mods make that 'Most' in both choices please. Sorry for the discrepancy, it was not intentional.
EDIT: What the question means to ask is 'most' CA, as a quantitative answer would not be possible or feasible for someone to give. I hope you understand.Even with that one removed, I still deem your poll close to push-polling.
Directly stemming from the Conservative discourse are the questions about 'country first', 'experience and competence', and the description of 'People who critise Obama all do so because they are hateful, afraid, and often uneducated. Most people who critise Obama do so for legitimate reasons, and not out of hate, fear, or ignorance.'
'If it turns out rumours about Obama eating white babies during daily prayers to Mecca are true, would you:
a) continue to support Obama's anti-American activities?
b) work actively towards covering it up together with the Democratic Party?
c) stop supporting Obama?'
Even with that one removed, I still deem your poll close to push-polling.
Directly stemming from the Conservative discourse are the questions about 'country first', 'experience and competence', and the description of 'People who critise Obama all do so because they are hateful, afraid, and often uneducated. Most people who critise Obama do so for legitimate reasons, and not out of hate, fear, or ignorance.'
'If it turns out rumours about Obama eating white babies during daily prayers to Mecca are true, would you:
a) continue to support Obama's anti-American activities?
b) work actively towards covering it up together with the Democratic Party?
c) stop supporting Obama?'
umm...not at all. Yeah, they are mostly conservative criticisms about him, but then again most criticisms about him are made by conservatives. The point is to find out whether you agree with those conservative criticisms or not.
There is a direct negative answer for each criticism that does not force you to say something against Obama.
And JAG, please read my first post about saving discussion on the issues for other threads. Thanks. :bow:
I am saddened by the lack of the Gah! option, a trend that has been growing these past couple of years. :no:
Vuk, I was taking the piss because the poll - as others have pointed out - is as artificially skewed as you can make it, while keeping a hint of a straight face. Republican pollsters should take note, you are their next push pollster.
Vuk, I was taking the piss because the poll - as others have pointed out - is as artificially skewed as you can make it, while keeping a hint of a straight face. Republican pollsters should take note, you are their next push pollster.
umm...how so? There are choices, do you think that Obama's policies are bad or good. Should I have both the options "Do you think Obama's policies are good?"? I mean come on, you simply say that you agree with his policies or not. If you do not have an opinion (which I would have a hard time believing :P), then you do not vote! How exactly is it 'artificially skewed'? There was one mistake, which was caught, and I clarified what I meant and have requested that the mods change it.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-29-2009, 16:14
Lol!
High five Rhyfelwyr.
:laugh4:
seireikhaan
04-29-2009, 16:18
Lol!
High five Rhyfelwyr.
:laugh4:
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Sas, Rhyf, Khan, please don't #$%$ with my poll. If you are US citizens, then by all means give honest answers. If you do not agree with the poll or you only want to start trouble, please don't %$#@ with it. I am looking for good data here (or as good as can be collected on an internet forum).
Banquo's Ghost
04-29-2009, 16:31
Poll edited as requested. (I took the liberty of correcting the spelling of 'criticise' too).
NOTE: Please respect the original poster's intention by following his guidelines, gentlemen.
:bow:
seireikhaan
04-29-2009, 16:32
Sas, Rhyf, Khan, please don't #$%$ with my poll. If you are US citizens, then by all means give honest answers. If you do not agree with the poll or you only want to start trouble, please don't %$#@ with it. I am looking for good data here (or as good as can be collected on an internet forum).
People who critise Obama most do so because they are hateful, afraid, and often uneducated.
Most people who critise Obama do so for legitimate reasons, and not out of hate, fear, or ignorance.
If you wanted a serious poll, then you shouldn't have slanted questions like this. ^^^ I think neither are they hateful, afraid, uneducated, nor question out of legitimacy.
Pretty clearly, the left-ish side of the .org isn't touching the poll because of the slant. Try again.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-29-2009, 16:33
You can agree with someone's foreign policy and disagree with it at the same time.
Sorry, Vuk, but none of your poll options reflect my thoughts or positions. Pass.
Sorry, Vuk, but none of your poll options reflect my thoughts or positions. Pass.
Why is that Lemur? Overall you neither agree or disagree with his foriegn policy? With his economic policy? Sorry, I just don't see how I could have worded it in any other way to make it fairer. Right now it gauges those with an opinion, but not those without.
@Khan, I made one mistake in wording which has already been fixed by MY request. If you feel that you do not agree with either choice in a particular question, you can skip that question and answer the ones you do have an opinion on.
EDIT: Thanks BG, and thanks for fixing the spelling. I have been spelling like a teenage girl recently. :P
Why is that Lemur? Overall you neither agree or disagree with his foriegn policy? With his economic policy? Sorry, I just don't see how I could have worded it in any other way to make it fairer. Right now it gauges those with an opinion, but not those without.
I find it impossible to answer them because I agree with some of what Obama does, and disagree with some of what he does. Most polls allow you to choose a range of opinions (1 = agree strongly, 2 = agree, 3 = neutral, 4 = disagree, 5 = disagree strongly; this is a common formulation on opinion polls). I'm not comfortable completely backing Obama's economic policy or completely disagreeing with it.
Likewise, your question about those who oppose his policies—some people have honest disagreements of policy, some are insane nutballs, and some are just making political hay. It varies. And sometimes it's a mixture of motivations. But by your poll, I'm supposed to either bless them all as logical patriots or damn them all as insane racists hacks. Neither option makes any sense to me.
I'm not trying to be difficult, Vuk.
I find it impossible to answer them because I agree with some of what Obama does, and disagree with some of what he does. Most polls allow you to choose a range of opinions (1 = agree strongly, 2 = agree, 3 = neutral, 4 = disagree, 5 = disagree strongly; this is a common formulation on opinion polls). I'm not comfortable completely backing Obama's economic policy or completely disagreeing with it.
Likewise, your question about those who oppose his policies—some people have honest disagreements of policy, some are insane nutballs, and some are just making political hay. It varies. And sometimes it's a mixture of motivations. But by your poll, I'm supposed to either bless them all as logical patriots or damn them all as insane racists hacks. Neither option makes any sense to me.
I'm not trying to be difficult, Vuk.
Well, I mean do you overall like them or not. For instance, if on your scale you would be a 4-5, then you like them. If you would be a 1-3, then you do not. There are not enough poll options for me to do something that complicated, and I really wanted simple answers. Of course when I said I disagreed with his social policies I did not mean everything that he did, but overall. If you were to say you don't like a politician's policies because of one thing, then no one would like any politician. There is no politician who agree with completely. Take Palin as an example. I do not agree with her on several things, still if this poll were about her, I would have answered that overall I agree with her economic plan. I am not asking for you to explain it out, just to give simple answers. If you do not feel comfortable with that though, you do not have to.
As for the question on what you think about people who disagree with Obama though, I meant much the same thing. Do you think that most of these people who oppose him (people at Tea Parties and such) are doing it out of hate or ignorance, or out of logical objections. Believe it or not, but I know lots of people who are of the opinion that everyone who disagrees with Obama IS ignorant or illogical. I realise that it may be hard to answer either way on this question if you are not sure, which is why you can skip it.
Sorry that I could not make it any better.
Hey, polls are good fun, don't be too hard on yourself. I'm just too ambivalent about too many of these questions to answer yea or nay. Take economic policy: The correct poll question for me would be, "I hope Obama and the Keynesian economists are right, 'cause if they're wrong we just blew a mountain of money to no purpose, and there's gonna be hell to pay." But I don't have a deep enough economic background to pretend I know whether they're right or wrong. Time will tell. (And honestly, the only people who are absolutely sure about this issue have ideological axes to grind. Everybody else seems as befuddled as me.)
Maybe I should go the Sasaki route, and just click off everything.
Hey, polls are good fun, don't be too hard on yourself. I'm just too ambivalent about too many of these questions to answer yea or nay. Take economic policy: The correct poll question for me would be, "I hope Obama and the Keynesian economists are right, 'cause if they're wrong we just blew a mountain of money to no purpose, and there's gonna be hell to pay." But I don't have a deep enough economic background to pretend I know whether they're right or wrong. Time will tell. (And honestly, the only people who are absolutely sure about this issue have ideological axes to grind. Everybody else seems as befuddled as me.)
Maybe I should go the Sasaki route, and just click off everything.
lol, the reason I think his policy is not gonna work is 'cause of what I know about the economy. That influences my ideology, not the otherway around, so I cannot agree with you on that. Nah though, if you do not want to take it, just please do not take it. :P
Tribesman
04-29-2009, 18:57
Please respect the original poster's intention by following his guidelines, gentlemen
Bollox , then again since I fall outside of the parameters set by the OP this post don't count and neither does my votes.
Took a look, voted with a deep pain in my gut. It's simply black and white, "Do you think Obama does not have a good foreign policy?" "Does Obama have a good foreign policy?". I oted both on a number of points, simply because there are aspects I agree and disagree with.
As said before, I was dissapointed.
Though I LOVE the fact names are kept so I can see, to my non existant shock, who voted for what.
Reenk Roink
04-30-2009, 01:39
Don't really like the guy (well don't really care most of the time), but I do think that a lot of the people who "hate" him are doing it out of "hate" or "ignorance".
The questions are hard to answer. I only was able to answer a couple. Some I don't know or care enough, some are too black and white.
I disagree with Barry O. on many things, but overall the guy is just too damn likeable and definitely a breath of fresh air after 8 years of 'nukular strategery'.
Askthepizzaguy
05-01-2009, 18:27
Commentary on my choices-
I disagree that Obama made good appointment choices. I admit Clinton surprises me as being a decent choice so far... I dislike that woman, but no complaints at the moment. Otherwise he really needs to choose his team better. That was embarrassing.
I want to qualify that MOST of the people I have PERSONALLY spoken to who oppose Obama do so for reasons so childish that it boggles the mind. However, there is plenty to disagree with the man about, and perhaps I am just attracting the really really "nice" people somehow and that's skewing my results. You can disagree with Obama but most of the arguments I've seen as to why involve racial paranoia (to a disturbing extent) laughable questions about his parentage, religion, or citizenship status, claims of terrorism, or otherwise attacks on his character, or plain old partisan sour grapes and hatred without reason.
But hey, die-hard capitalists should have a field day. He did increase taxes on the wealthy. We're commies now. Plus he apologized for some stupid things we did and is making us look better to the whole world, though some think that's a... bad thing? He seems surprisingly hawkish on war and piracy... esp in regards to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Somalia. Doesn't look like we're surrendering/abandoning Iraq either. I trust him with defense and foreign policy, as for the economy... the alternative seems to be "do nothing" so I'd prefer a little intervention in this mess, in spite of my desire for less government waste. sorry.
It's impossible to know the man's character for sure, but by his behavior and record and everything so far, I think we have a good person in charge, a humble and down-to-earth man, in spite of efforts to twist him into an out-of-touch intellectual elitist with a huge ego. I seem to recall the nation gave George W. Bush a fair chance to prove himself, but within days of Obama being sworn in, he was the worst president ever as far as some Republicans were concerned.
I think that's rather sad.
ICantSpellDawg
05-02-2009, 02:43
The forum should modify polls to allow the original poster to delete votes that are outside of the scope of the poll. There could be a little sidebar showing the names of those whose votes were deleted.
It is rather pointless to do regionally centered polls because they never come back anything but skewed.
KukriKhan
05-02-2009, 03:19
All respect to Vuk-san :bow:
At 100 days in office, of a 1450+-day reign, maybe a simpler "agree" or "disagree" 2-choice poll would work better, with another at 200, 300, 1,000, 2,5000 days.
Backroom regulars could explain their "yea" or "nay", and you could chart the change.
Just a suggestion.
Alexander the Pretty Good
05-02-2009, 03:23
Besides enjoying some of the media circuses that have developed over him, I don't think he's going to meaningfully affect my life. :)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
05-02-2009, 04:08
I seem to recall the nation gave George W. Bush a fair chance to prove himself, but within days of Obama being sworn in, he was the worst president ever as far as some Republicans were concerned.
I think that's rather sad.
Aside from:
1) Claiming Bush stole the election.
2) Obama and Bush seem to have had similar approval ratings.
Askthepizzaguy
05-02-2009, 06:11
Aside from:
1) Claiming Bush stole the election.
2) Obama and Bush seem to have had similar approval ratings.
1. I believe that a fair case could have been made that the person who decided the Florida situation was a Bush supporter makes that decision less than impartial. But I was talking about his presidency, not his election, which to be fair, included a lot of questionable voting practices.
2. I didn't recall Bush scoring this low with the opposing party right after the election, honestly. But I'd like to see the data if you can find it.
1. I believe that a fair case could have been made that the person who decided the Florida situation was a Bush supporter makes that decision less than impartial. But I was talking about his presidency, not his election, which to be fair, included a lot of questionable voting practices.
2. I didn't recall Bush scoring this low with the opposing party right after the election, honestly. But I'd like to see the data if you can find it.
Here (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1200/obama-100-days-poll) you go. 100 days in, Bush had a 36/46 job approval/disapproval rating from Democrats. The same poll gives Obama a 30/56 from Republicans. A little worse? Sure, but not unprecedented. Clinton's 100 day number from Republicans was 25/69.
When it comes to "opinion of the President" instead of "job approval" Obama gets a 46/50 from Republicans, whereas Democrats only gave Bush a 38/59. Depending on what figure you want to look at, Bush either rated a little better, or a little worse from Democrats than Obama does from Republicans.
Democrats thought Bush was doing a better job than the GOP thinks of Obama, but the Dems thought much less of Bush personally than the Republicans do of Obama. :book:
Askthepizzaguy
05-02-2009, 10:25
Here (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1200/obama-100-days-poll) you go. 100 days in, Bush had a 36/46 job approval/disapproval rating from Democrats. The same poll gives Obama a 30/56 from Republicans. A little worse? Sure, but not unprecedented. Clinton's 100 day number from Republicans was 25/69.
When it comes to "opinion of the President" instead of "job approval" Obama gets a 46/50 from Republicans, whereas Democrats only gave Bush a 38/59. Depending on what figure you want to look at, Bush either rated a little better, or a little worse from Democrats than Obama does from Republicans.
Democrats thought Bush was doing a better job than the GOP thinks of Obama, but the Dems thought much less of Bush personally than the Republicans do of Obama. :book:
Mmm... interesting numbers. Thank you for finding this data.
I do wonder, openly, where the disapproval comes from; it seemed to have been there since the election itself.
I'd like to have a contest where a liberal is forced to say nice things about Bush (and I don't mean in the "nice tie" variety, either) and a conservative is forced to say nice things about Obama.
Regarding Bush: I disagreed with his proposal, but I liked that he tried to do SOMETHING about Social Security even if his own party opposed it. I like that he took the fight to Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. I like the AIDS funding in Africa which may have helped save millions of lives. There are many things I can name which I thought were a good idea.
See? Not hard. However I do have legitimate policy disagreements with him on a number of issues, especially ones where he took a position and did close to nothing about. Didn't really act conservative on the budget being balanced, didn't really do much about the wide-open borders (forgive me, I consider myself very conservative on the border issue), didn't touch the immigration reform issue, didn't touch pork spending... appalling on many levels, from a conservative standpoint.
I'll even do you one further; I disagree with Obama on many things.
Regarding Obama: Hated his cabinet picks, for the most part. Thought he should have gone after the wasted Bush bailout money more aggressively. Needs to focus on balancing the budget more and trimming wasteful spending or at least putting it to work better. Needs to renegotiate trade deals which are crippling us. I disagree with many of the things he's spending bailout money on. I'd like a line-item veto. He's not taking a strong stance on gay rights at all. I'd like to see comprehensive immigration reform, but at least he did stuff about the border. Good man. Social security and medicare need an overhaul. Get to work, Obama! :whip:
Alexander the Pretty Good
05-02-2009, 19:35
I think the easiest thing to credit Obama with are...
3. Simultaneous. Headshots.
/boom, headshot
This is NOT a forum for debating your views gentlemen.
Strike For The South
05-05-2009, 12:09
What's an Obama?
What's an Obama?
Don't tempt me Strike and don't spam my thread up or I will digitally Kung Fu your :daisy:! ~;)
Strike For The South
05-05-2009, 12:21
This whole thread is a circle jerk of pointless and you're getting on me for spamming. Harumph.
This whole thread is a circle jerk of pointless and you're getting on me for spamming. Harumph.
Thank you for your opinion, but you may notice that you are not the only one who I have scolded. Now stop being a bad Strike or I will put you over my knee and spank your fine Texan :daisy:! :kiss: :clown:
Productivity
05-05-2009, 12:40
This whole Americans only, no discussion rule seems to be almost the antithesis of this forum. Freezing out the majority of the forum from voting and not wanting discussion seems crazy. It also seems a completely impossible task, given who has voted and the amount of discussion occuring.
Also, recommend you learn something about questionairre design before trying something like this again - those were terrible.
This whole Americans only, no discussion rule seems to be almost the antithesis of this forum. Freezing out the majority of the forum from voting and not wanting discussion seems crazy. It also seems a completely impossible task, given who has voted and the amount of discussion occuring.
Also, recommend you learn something about questionairre design before trying something like this again - those were terrible.
Majority of the forum does not matter for my purposes. The election of a US president, while it affects the rest of the world, is the job and responsibility of American citizens, and it is THERE country. If I made a similar poll about Putin, I would limit it to Russians only. I don't give a flying :daisy: what Dutch, or Germans, or anyone but Americans think about Obama right now for the purposes of this poll. Sure, that may be an interesting bit of knowledge and perhaps useful for something else, but not for what I want to use the data for. The thing about questionnaires is that they need to be designed to fufill a certain task and return RELEVANT data. The opinions of Portuguese on the American President is completely irrelevant. And yes, I know that lots of non-Americans have voted, but I know who is American and not, and when I tally the votes at the end of 30 days I will take out the votes of non-Americans. Right now the poll is very skewed because of the votes of non-Americans.
Gregoshi
05-05-2009, 12:56
While your poll isn't perfect Vuk, it is so much better than the "URGENT" survey on the Obama administration I received from the Republican National Committee yesterday. Now that was a turd of a poll. And Vuk didn't ask for a donation either. :2thumbsup:
CountArach
05-05-2009, 13:46
I know that lots of non-Americans have voted, but I know who is American and not, and when I tally the votes at the end of 30 days I will take out the votes of non-Americans. Right now the poll is very skewed because of the votes of non-Americans.
Then why does it matter who votes?
Then why does it matter who votes?
'cause it makes my job a lot harder. That is why I kindly asked people not to be trolls and intentionally make my job harder. Why do so many people get off on trouble?
Tribesman
05-05-2009, 14:39
Right now the poll is very skewed because of the questions:2thumbsup:
Gregoshi
05-05-2009, 14:45
Solution: Vuk, clean up the poll based on feedback so far and then make two identical copies of it, one for Americans and another for everyone else. It might make for an interesting comparison (or not).
Also, since, you are simply after the poll data, why stiffle discussion as long as it doesn't get the thread closed? People want to be heard, especially on the internet. Telling them they can't voice their opinion just gets them all worked up and trollish (and I mean "troll" in a devilish way :devil:).
Hope this helps.
Askthepizzaguy
05-05-2009, 15:42
While your poll isn't perfect Vuk, it is so much better than the "URGENT" survey on the Obama administration I received from the Republican National Committee yesterday. Now that was a turd of a poll. And Vuk didn't ask for a donation either. :2thumbsup:
Oh God, do you have that poll? I want to see it. :laugh4:
And I wasn't referring to you as God, but you know what pun master, run with it! :bow:
Edit: I just realized I asked to see your "poll"..... hastily withdrawn.
Edit 2: I just realized I hastily withdrew the "poll"..... stumbling over words... no way to.... resist the... evil puns...
Rhyfelwyr
05-05-2009, 16:05
Why do so many people get off on trouble?
Because, of course, you would never do such a thing. :tongue2:
Because, of course, you would never do such a thing. :tongue2:
Of course not. :P Seriously though, I would not be :daisy:ing with someone's poll like several members are doing with mine. It is down-right rude and in very bad taste IMHO.
Gregoshi
05-05-2009, 17:35
Oh God, do you have that poll? I want to see it. :laugh4:
And I wasn't referring to you as God, but you know what pun master, run with it! :bow:
Edit: I just realized I asked to see your "poll"..... hastily withdrawn.
Edit 2: I just realized I hastily withdrew the "poll"..... stumbling over words... no way to.... resist the... evil puns...
Brilliant!! :laugh4:
I can't remember if I flushed the poll down the toilet or commited the ultimate sin by recycling it (fertilizer for the flower bed). ~D
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