Dealing with anti-Semitism on the internet

[Hooahguy]

sad but true that antisemitism arises almost everywhere.
on Facebook, there is something called the Jewish Internet Defense Force . we go around and report en masse all the hateful/racist pages on facebook. our most recent victory was a "I Hate Israel" page with over 122k people, and the topics discussed were appalling: "how to destroy israel and kill all the jews" and "we have to finish what hitler started" and the like. after about a few thousand people reported it, it was taken off. now we are trying to take off ":daisy: the jews and their Holocaust bull :daisy:".
the fight goes on.

[Banquo's Ghost]

sad but true that antisemitism arises almost everywhere.
on Facebook, there is something called the Jewish Internet Defense Force .

That would be much cooler if you renamed it the Jewish Electronic Defense Initiative. :bounce:

[Hooahguy]

i think its supposed to parallel the real IDF, but JEDI sound coller, ill agree.

[tibilicus]

sad but true that antisemitism arises almost everywhere.
on Facebook, there is something called the Jewish Internet Defense Force . we go around and report en masse all the hateful/racist pages on facebook. our most recent victory was a "I Hate Israel" page with over 122k people, and the topics discussed were appalling: "how to destroy israel and kill all the jews" and "we have to finish what hitler started" and the like. after about a few thousand people reported it, it was taken off. now we are trying to take off ":daisy: the jews and their Holocaust bull :daisy:".
the fight goes on.

It's good to know your hearts in the right place, but in all honestly you'll never be able to shut every anti-semetic page down. There's plenty of other racist hate out there as well, why don't you expand your group to counter racism instead of just anti-semetism?

edit: lol found this in one group..

"that is true, they create always viruses and plant them to different areas on earth.
the zionists are no1 danger. that is why all countries were throwing the jews away from their lands."

You heard it here first folks..

[Hooahguy]

we do that too. but we focus on anti-semitism, since FB does a decent job of taking down the racists sites like "i hate black people" and stuff like that, but arent as good as taking down the anti-semitic sites. we also try to take down anti-arab racist sites as well, btw. a bit ago we took down a site called "kill all muslims."

[KarlXII]

Jewish Internet Defense Force

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Hooahguy]

whys it funny?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

It's silly to take the internet that seriously.

[Hooahguy]

this isnt just some random site. its facebook pages. these groups are in blatant violation of the terms of use.

[KarlXII]

It's silly to take the internet that seriously.

^ This.

I couldn't give two stones of a care about what some idiots say on the internet. I find it laughable that you do. Plus the SERIOUS BUSINNES name you gave a group of internet users who are pissed off at some person they'll never meet is also hilarious.

[Hooahguy]

well, think what you want.

[KarlXII]

well, think what you want.

I might have to restrain myself before the Israeli Electronic Mossad raid my home :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^ This.

I couldn't give two stones of a care about what some idiots say on the internet. I find it laughable that you do. Plus the SERIOUS BUSINNES name you gave a group of internet users who are pissed off at some person they'll never meet is also hilarious.

Ironically...you are taking this kind of seriously :juggle2:

[KarlXII]

Ironically...you are taking this kind of seriously :juggle2:

Nope, I don't take the "JEDI" seriously. My post explains why. I show no amount of seriousness :juggle2:. I guess I got fairly serious on the fact that I DON'T CARE what racism is put on the internet from some guy you don't know and will never meet :inquisitive:

[Hooahguy]

i think you over estimate the sheeple too much. i really do beleive that if these pages are allowed to stay, people will begin to believe the lies.

btw i did not start the JIDF. i just joined it.

[KarlXII]

i think you over estimate the sheeple too much. i really do beleive that if these pages are allowed to stay, people will begin to believe the lies.

btw i did not start the JIDF. i just joined it.

I think you over estimate the effectiveness of closing down a club and putting a "Mass Jew Conspiracy to Get Us" in the minds of these people then, you know, debating them and educating them.

[Hooahguy]

some people you cant debate with.

[KarlXII]

some people you cant debate with.

But you CAN educate them. And you can also stop feeding their beliefs of "Mass Jewish Conspiracy to Get Us".

[Hooahguy]

you really think that people who think of hitler as a hero can be educated. oh, ive tried. it just starts a huge flame war and the head of the group kicks me out for posting some sense.

[KarlXII]

you really think that people who think of hitler as a hero can be educated. oh, ive tried. it just starts a huge flame war and the head of the group kicks me out for posting some sense.

What group? Internet Mossad? I'm shocked you'd be in a group that HAD a "Hitler=Hero" member in it. I'd leave on the spot.

[Hooahguy]

you just said that we should try to counter the anti-semitism, not shut the sites down. the only way to counter is to join the groups.
there actually is a page called ":daisy: the jews and thier holocaust :daisy:"

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

It's Facebook. You're supposed to stalk chicks, not neo-nazis.

[KarlXII]

you just said that we should try to counter the anti-semitism, not shut the sites down. the only way to counter is to join the groups.
there actually is a page called ":daisy: the jews and thier holocaust :daisy:"

You got kicked out of a neo nazi group for countering neo nazi arguments. Wow, shocker. At least you tried.


It's Facebook. You're supposed to stalk chicks, not neo-nazis.

:laugh4:

[Hooahguy]

You got kicked out of a neo nazi group for countering neo nazi arguments. Wow, shocker. At least you tried.


you just proved my statement. you cant talk to these people, so shut them down.

[KarlXII]

you just proved my statement. you cant talk to these people, so shut them down.

Shut them down and feed their paranoia. Better just to ignore them and recommend others to ignore them too. :logic:

[Hooahguy]

and how do you go about telling everyone to stay away? FB has millions of members, and we cant reach all of them.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

A competing group offering logical rebuttals to their hate could do the trick.

/sorry for the thread de-rail

[KarlXII]

and how do you go about telling everyone to stay away? FB has millions of members, and we cant reach all of them.

FB also has numerous groups. Do you have specialised watchdogs looking through every one? Either way, it's fairly futile.

[Hooahguy]

but we can take down the biggest ones, like the one with 122k members that were preaching that all jews should die.

[KarlXII]

but we can take down the biggest ones, like the one with 122k members that were preaching that all jews should die.

And where will those 122k members go?

[a completely inoffensive name]

@hooahguy
I am surprised no one has claimed that your actions are infringing on their right to free speech. Usually most threads get a nice heap of any and all arguments. What's going on? Are people having finals this week?

[KarlXII]

@hooahguy
I am surprised no one has claimed that your actions are infringing on their right to free speech. Usually most threads get a nice heap of any and all arguments. What's going on? Are people having finals this week?

It is technically their freedom of speech, but then again, I'm sure most don't care about their little club.

[Hooahguy]

one could say that if FB had no terms of use and the like, which bans pages like that.
plus people who are advocating the killing all jews, muslims or whatever deserve no free speech, IMO.

[KarlXII]

one could say that if FB had no terms of use and the like, which bans pages like that.
plus people who are advocating the killing all jews, muslims or whatever deserve no free speech, IMO.

Then leave it to Facebook and not the group vigilantes :yes:

[Hooahguy]

but because there are millions of pages, most get overlooked.

[a completely inoffensive name]

one could say that if FB had no terms of use and the like, which bans pages like that.
plus people who are advocating the killing all jews, muslims or whatever deserve no free speech, IMO.

That logic is a slippery slope. I wish we could just dump all those ignorant hate filled ******** on an island and leave them there, but if we are to be better then them don't you think that we should not taking away their rights solely on the basis that we do not like what they are saying or who they are?

[Hooahguy]

they only gain wind when we do nothing.

[Decker]

Heya guys, maybe we can get your conversation moved into a separate thread? :inquisitive:

[Hooahguy]

good idea. how did we get to that tangent anyhow?

[Decker]

I think it was when some Israeli official said something about Jews not being able to get infected by the virus... and that's about 2-3 pages ago... :inquisitive:

[Hooahguy]

o yes. it wasnt an Israeli official. it was some anti-semetic freak.

[Fragony]

Killing all jews? Show them the idiocy of their ways.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Fragony/bar-rafaeli-4.jpg


sigh

[HoreTore]

sad but true that antisemitism arises almost everywhere.
on Facebook, there is something called the Jewish Internet Defense Force . we go around and report en masse all the hateful/racist pages on facebook. our most recent victory was a "I Hate Israel" page with over 122k people, and the topics discussed were appalling: "how to destroy israel and kill all the jews" and "we have to finish what hitler started" and the like. after about a few thousand people reported it, it was taken off. now we are trying to take off ":daisy: the jews and their Holocaust bull :daisy:".
the fight goes on.

The people who hacked a completely legitimate protest group during the Gaza war? One without any anti-semitism, just sympathy for the dead?

[Husar]

But you CAN educate them.

Yes, I heard of a technique called brainwashing.
I wonder how many people on stormfront you have educated so far?

[Fragony]

wow Hussy that was really uncalled for, put on the happy-hat :egypt:

[Incongruous]

sad but true that antisemitism arises almost everywhere.
on Facebook, there is something called the Jewish Internet Defense Force . we go around and report en masse all the hateful/racist pages on facebook.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Rubbish

You attack and hack pages and groups which oppose Israeli foreign and domestic policy! What a joke:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

You are not anti-racist group, you are a racist group, a group you guys recently targeted as anti-semetic had Jewish and Israeli members:laugh4: You guys are probably one of the most hated groups on the internet, one of the most racist too:2thumbsup:

[Husar]

wow Hussy that was really uncalled for, put on the happy-hat :egypt:

???

I didn't (mean to) insult him or anything. I'm not sad either, i just think that once people have formed an opinion on a certain matter, it is very hard or next to impossible to "educate" them otherwise, it might work when they're still young but afterwards when you try to be objective they will discard all your sources as bias from the enemy and cite their own sources of trustworthy people, with trustworthy people being only ones who happen to have the same opinion they do.

And they would hardly volunteer for something like reeducation because if they were open-minded they wouldn't be fascists or whatever in the first place. Which means the best thing you can do is ignore it all, completely, anything you do against such people will be an act inspired by the enemy for them.
One of the best ways to convert people over to your side is just being nice to them and accepting them the way they are, not exactly what we do in the Backroom which is why Karl XII will probably disagree with me and we will have a long discussion until I start ignoring his arguments and just being his friend until he admits that I'm right. :mellow: :egypt:

[Hooahguy]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Rubbish

You attack and hack pages and groups which oppose Israeli foreign and domestic policy! What a joke:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

You are not anti-racist group, you are a racist group, a group you guys recently targeted as anti-semetic had Jewish and Israeli members:laugh4: You guys are probably one of the most hated groups on the internet, one of the most racist too:2thumbsup:
a) we dont hack. we report en masse, FB takes action.
b) you do realize we also take down anti-muslim sites as well, right? we leave pro-gaza sites alone for the most part. only when they become derogatory and
c) are you calling me racist?????? only you, bopa, would say such lies.
you just crossed the line from "making a bit of sense" to "idiocy."

[Fragony]

???

I didn't (mean to) insult him or anything.

scuzi mia muca :bow:

[Hooahguy]

also bopa- theres a big difference between pages that merely oppose israeli policy, and ones that say "LETS KILL ALL TEH JEWZ!!!!!!!!!!!"

[HoreTore]

also bopa- theres a big difference between pages that merely oppose israeli policy, and ones that say "LETS KILL ALL TEH JEWZ!!!!!!!!!!!"

I honestly can't say that I think bans are the way to reduce racism. I sympathize, but I disagree.

I prefer the mud out in the open, where it can be debated, ridiculed and shunned.

[Hooahguy]

how can you debate with the people that kick you out if you disagree? oh, ive tried to debate them. it doesnt work on a site like facebook.

[HoreTore]

how can you debate with the people that kick you out if you disagree? oh, ive tried to debate them. it doesnt work on a site like facebook.

That's the downside of teh intrawebs. Discussions are usually futile. That's the top reason I'm discussing politics on a forum dedicated to a game I no longer play; this one is actually good. For the other 99% of the internet, it's about flinging :daisy: at each other.

But get the guy face-to-face, and you'll probably get a lot further ~;)

[Tribesman]

OK screw JIDF , any group that wants to alter google maps because they don't like their history are definately a bunch of fruitcakes .
Megaphone was bad enough though it coud just be called a spam machine , but this is just netnazis

[Beirut]

OK screw JIDF , any group that wants to alter google maps because they don't like their history are definately a bunch of fruitcakes .
Megaphone was bad enough though it coud just be called a spam machine , but this is just netnazis


Couldn't agree more. The JIDF looks like one more bunch of zealot nutbars.

[Hooahguy]

so taking a stand against anti-semitism in a site like FB is worthy of getting the "zealot nutbars" label?
the FB terms of use blatantly say that there is to be no descrimination in groups, and these groups are violating that.
were just blowing the whistle on them.

[Beirut]

Stopping anti-semitism on the net does not make you a nutbar.

Setting yourselves up to look like a para-military organization does.

[Fragony]

They seem rather extremist, not very good company to hang out with if you ask me.

[tibilicus]

a) we dont hack. we report en masse, FB takes action.
b) you do realize we also take down anti-muslim sites as well, right? we leave pro-gaza sites alone for the most part. only when they become derogatory and
c) are you calling me racist?????? only you, bopa, would say such lies.
you just crossed the line from "making a bit of sense" to "idiocy."

Although I appreciate your anti-racist actions, it's not your place to police the internet, the only people that should are the people that own the sites involved. The beuty of the internet is that people around the world can all input and express their views, regardless of geographical location. Sure you get a few nut jobs, but you get these nut jobs all over the internet, all you can do if they offend you is ignore them.

Also I think your points show why normal people shouldn't try and police the internet, in fact, it shows why no one should at all. You say for example that you allow pro-Gaza groups as long as they aren't derogatory, but who are you or any one else to deem something derogatory? For example someone might call Israel and Apartheid state, you might find that offensive and report the group but then again another person might not find it offensive.


Basically when people try and control the internet things get messy, there's enough censoring and control in our everyday lives as it is. If you don't like something the options simple, don't click the web link and read it.

[Hooahguy]

Stopping anti-semitism on the net does not make you a nutbar.

Setting yourselves up to look like a para-military organization does.
hey, dont look at me. i didnt create the name.

[Andres]

*** keeps looking at Hooahguy ***

:inquisitive:

~;p

[Prodigal]

Just had an epiphany, the reasoning & logic behind the spreading of viruses is clear. Israel & the Muslims are in it together...And I can't rule out strict Buddhists and those pesky veggy chewing vegans either. They all have one thing in common. None of them eat bacon which anyone will admit is damnably tasty, (no pun intended), so by their ommission the pig population has reached a critical mass infecting us with a global plague!

Now that's the kind of thing that'll blow 122k facebook followers out of the water, you can essentially blame a global pandemic on anyone who doesn't like bacon sandwiches. :shame:

[Rhyfelwyr]

When you name yourselves after the IDF, you are kind of asking for it...

[Beirut]

hey, dont look at me. i didnt create the name.

I didn't say you were a zealot nutbar - I said the JIDF were zealot nutbars.

[Tribesman]

I said the JIDF were zealot nutbars.
Thats not nice , its not as though they are hackers they just gain accesss to websites , change , delete and add content or make them break , thats not hacking is it .

Just out of curiosity Hooah , does your joining this group of not really zealous fruitcakes coincide with you dropping the middle letter from a certain word when you post ?:inquisitive:

[Hooahguy]

Thats not nice , its not as though they are hackers they just gain accesss to websites , change , delete and add content or make them break , thats not hacking is it .

Just out of curiosity Hooah , does your joining this group of not really zealous fruitcakes coincide with you dropping the middle letter from a certain word when you post ?:inquisitive:
first of all, we dont hack anything. we just report.

second, what word are you talking about?

[Tribesman]

first of all, we dont hack anything. we just report.

Have you read any of the JIDF interviews in the Israeli media ?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Hooahguy]

no, please enlighten me.

[Tribesman]

no, please enlighten me.
So you havn't read where they say they deleted 109,873 peoples memberships on a single website?
Perhaps you shouldn't make the "we don't hack" claim without checking first :yes:

[Hooahguy]

now i know what you were talking about-
heres the story (http://www.thejidf.org/2008/11/oboler-rise-and-fall-of-facebook-hate.html)

thats not a hack.


It was certainly a takeover, but nothing illegal or indeed outside the rules of Facebook had occurred.


On 1 August, only a few days after the takeover, the JIDF lost control of the group. The group’s size had been reduced, with its multimedia and wall gone, but the group’s problematic description reappeared. Even if the JIDF has maintained control of the group, setting up a new group takes only a few clicks. JIDF’s action, however, was effective.

During the few days that the JIDF controlled the group they expelled 59 percent of the group’s membership. Based on the membership increase in the days immediately following JIDF’s loss control, it looked like the group has been set back 12 and 18 months in terms of its membership numbers. A month later Facebook, however, took decisive action. They deleted the group in response to continued press coverage and the emergence of a consensus in Wikipedia that Facebook was indeed publicly hosting an anti–semitic group.

[Tribesman]

No hooah , that is not the story .
wow thats a nice selection of racist hate sites JIDF has on its friends list:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Beirut]

Nothing a like a group of un-elected, third-party, self-righteous, self-indulgent, para-military wannabes protecting us from the evils of the world.

Should I hold their hand while I cross the street?

Will they make me hold their hand while I cross the street?

Lord God, I beseech you, let them be free to protect me from myself. :rolleyes:

[rvg]

What a waste of time. Last thing I'd care about doing would be going thru facebook fishing out the crazies. Unless I got paid to do that. On a per-crazy basis. Then I'd be a millionaire. Barring that, this JIDF thing is just as silly as those antisemites.

[Hooahguy]

whatever.

[tibilicus]

To be honest I think your a bit caught up on anything Jewish/Israeli related. If you really can't handle people making anti-Jewish comments then the simple truth is you need to learn to. Yes, it's a shame that low life's exist, but non the less they're not going away. Quite frankly if you don't just find anti-semetic PM's offensive (going on your other thread), which is understandable, but also find anything remotely anti-Israeli/Jewish offensive, you may well have a problem.

I mean I understand your proud of your heritage and everything but there's pride, and then there is out right fanaticism. At the minute you seem to be leaning towards the latter..

Your a good guy and and you contribute a great deal to these forums but with out being offensive you can be a bit over zealous when it comes to this sort of thing mate..

[Hooahguy]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

[rvg]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

then it shouldn't surprise you that many do not share your worldview. Something that you might consider noble would be seen as unsavory by someone else. If you expect the kudos posts, post this on a religious jewish forums, and I'm sure that you'll get plenty of positive feedback.
Nobody is obligated to like, support or even recognize the Jewish state, and the efforts of JIDF aren't gonna amount to much. They will not change anyone's mind. They will not prevent the anti-Israeli group in question from respawning under different names ad infinitum. If anything, JIDF is giving those people more motivation. So, yes, I really think your labor is at best in vain and at worst counterproductive.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah it sucks having an unpopular worldview. If people are going to flame you for it, just accept it and move on. Trying to censor people really won't work, and it won't help improve their opinion of you either.

[LittleGrizzly]

I have a friend who is quite a big fan of conspiracy video's on youtube, quite a few of them regularly tell people thier last video with this 'important information' was taken down by the evil youtube owners who don't want the truth to get out there...

In other words what im saying is by actions like this you will only reinforce some kin of jewish conspiracy in some peoples minds... not that that matters to much with the wacko's... they are probably to far gone anyway but some more moderate members of the group may start to wonder...

Its always annoying when my friend mentions the conspiracy video was taken down... its essentially usually a point in his favour when we discuss conspiracy theories...

[rasoforos]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

You have the zeal of youth. That is not bad and it is natural at your age :2thumbsup:

This is combined with the fact that by being a young adult you are reaching your mental and physical potential which is great. :2thumbsup:

However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism :thumbsdown:

Let me remind you that at 18 you have reached the peak of your sexual prowess and that being single mindedly obsessed with girls would be a great or at least better idea for the next year or two. :2thumbsup:



P.S If this (me), (relatively in relation to you) old fart (27) could teach you a lesson that he never really learnt properly himself it would be that being 'anti' something never really helped fight it. Promoting the good cause and being the nice guy we all like and that will do wonders against racism :yes:.

Everytime you have patiently and unofensively supported your opinion , despite many of us being against you and (us) not being so nice about it, you made me respect you more and more.



P.S 2 : Eric Cartmant on Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis /Eric Cartman Off <--- Sorry sorry sorry I just had to say that. Shame on me :no:

[Pannonian]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.
There's a Jewish chap at TWC who's well-known for being ultra-orthodox in how he practices Judaism. He's very liberal in his outlook towards anything that isn't himself.

[Beirut]

Eric Cartmant; Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis

A young David slew a nine-foot Philistine warrior with a slingshot.

That's some midichlorian action, methinks. ~:smoking:

[Rhyfelwyr]

I've never heard of the 'zeal of youth' before, as is testified to by the age range (or indeed lack of it) in my church, it might as well be a pensioners' club. I heard most folks turn religious when they get to their 30's, or whenever they settle down.

But to be on topic, hooah you really won't do yourself or your viewpoints any favour by aiding such an organisation. The fact it chose to name itself after the IDF shows it was trying to be a bit provocative. I know this guy from another site who's convinced Jesuits did everything from causing the Second World War to sinking the Titanic. Every time a video goes down it just shows how much influence the Jesuits are getting...

[Hooahguy]

There's a Jewish chap at TWC who's well-known for being ultra-orthodox in how he practices Judaism. He's very liberal in his outlook towards anything that isn't himself.
well thats him. am i that ultra-orthodox chap at the TWC? no, im not.
im not even ultra-orthodox. plus, ultra-orthodox are typically liberal. ever heard of Neturei Carta?
the more conserrvative ones are the modern orthodox, which is what i am.

[Hooahguy]

However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism :thumbsdown:
well, only my zeal on these forums. you can tell because the only debates i really get into in the backroom is israel and gun control.


Let me remind you that at 18 you have reached the peak of your sexual prowess and that being single mindedly obsessed with girls would be a great or at least better idea for the next year or two. :2thumbsup:
:laugh4:
if you would see me in RL, you would say that girls are all i can think of....
:2thumbsup:


Everytime you have patiently and unofensively supported your opinion , despite many of us being against you and (us) not being so nice about it, you made me respect you more and more. [/B]
why thank you! :bow:

i have a teacher who is good at debating. he always tells me, "whoever gets angry first always loses."

these past two days have been very trying for me in terms of these forums. there were times i just wanted to blow up at the member who made those disgusting remarks to me the other day, and it wasnt helped by a heated debate between me and KarlXII about signatures.



P.S 2 : Eric Cartmant on Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis /Eric Cartman Off <--- Sorry sorry sorry I just had to say that. Shame on me :no:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Pannonian]

well thats him. am i that ultra-orthodox chap at the TWC? no, im not.
im not even ultra-orthodox. plus, ultra-orthodox are typically liberal. ever heard of Neturei Carta?
the more conserrvative ones are the modern orthodox, which is what i am.
It just shows that being religious doesn't necessarily mean wanting to impose one's views on others. Religion is like any other private view, fine in private, and one is free to impose it however one likes on oneself. Once one goes outside oneself and tries to affect others, it oversteps the mark into zealotry. One can say whatever one likes, and one's company and nature is plain from that, but if one tries to turn that into action, one crosses the line.

[Hax]

What's this self-righteous nonsense anyways? People from all different kinds of ethnicities, beliefs and backgrounds will have to cope with discrimination in one form or another. I mean, just go to 4chan and look how often the word :daisy: is used. Of course black people could be offended, but what I find more disgusting than discrimination is using that discrimination in your own advantage. Hell, look at the situation of Arabs and Muslims nowadays.


im the only religious jew in the backroom

..and?


However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism :thumbsdown:

Exactly. I think this thing is far more likely to get more anti-semitism going than to counter it. "Oh, there you have those Jews again who mess up our forums. We should gas them."


plus people who are advocating the killing all jews, muslims or whatever deserve no free speech, IMO.

Innate rights. That's how it begins. You first say "you're not allowed to say that all Jews must be killed". Then it goes to "You are not allowed to say that Jews are evil". Subsequently: "You are not allowed to say that some Jews have commited bad deeds". And soon enough, it might just resembled a police state.

[Hooahguy]

It just shows that being religious doesn't necessarily mean wanting to impose one's views on others. Religion is like any other private view, fine in private, and one is free to impose it however one likes on oneself. Once one goes outside oneself and tries to affect others, it oversteps the mark into zealotry. One can say whatever one likes, and one's company and nature is plain from that, but if one tries to turn that into action, one crosses the line.
so you are saying that anyone who tries to go out and make a difference is a zealot?

[Hax]

so you are saying that anyone who tries to go out and make a difference is a zealot?

At the expense of others, yes.

[Hooahguy]

the people who fought for civil rights in the 60's also did it at the expense of others.

[Tribesman]

Hooah , do you see the irony in belonging to a group that claims to be combatting racial/religious hate and terrorist support on the internet , yet links to "friendly" terrorist supporting racial/religious hate sites itself?

[Hooahguy]

hold on, looking for that link....
maybe you would be so kind as to inform me which "terrorist" site it links to?

[Hax]

the people who fought for civil rights in the 60's also did it at the expense of others.

Yes, but now you try to take away civil rights.

[Tribesman]

Just think Air India 182 and follow your nose .
Its a site Gawain used a few times for getting some cut and paste anti muslim rants ,though to be fair I think Gawain just found it a handy source for religious hatred stuff and didn't realise about the authors views on terrorism

[Hooahguy]

Yes, but now you try to take away civil rights.
does this really apply when the groups are in violation of the ToU?

to quote FB, on what you are not allowed to do:

upload, post, transmit, share, store or otherwise make available any content that we deem to be harmful, threatening, unlawful, defamatory, infringing, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, fraudulent, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

[Beirut]

Take a look at the JIDF site. Dig around and it's clear to see what's going on. It is not an altruistic rebirth of the civil rights movement of the '60s; it's a political machine using a forward guard of snitches, whiners, and hackers.

The JIDF clowns can smooch my tuckus.

[KarlXII]

people over to your side is just being nice to them and accepting them the way they are, not exactly what we do in the Backroom which is why Karl XII will probably disagree with me and we will have a long discussion until I start ignoring his arguments and just being his friend until he admits that I'm right. :mellow: :egypt:

I plead the Fifth!

[Hooahguy]

can smooch my tuckus.

its Tuchus, btw.

[Husar]

I plead the Fifth!

You mean you want to be a fifth columnist? :inquisitive:

[KarlXII]

You mean you want to be a fifth columnist? :inquisitive:

I forgot, you're on of them. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plead_the_Fifth)

:laugh4:

[Beirut]

its Tuchus, btw.

From the online Urban Dictionary (And I hope the JIDF doesn't try to shut them down, too.)

1. tuckus
A non-offensive description for a human posterior.
Boy, isn't that girl's tuckus hot?

2. tuckus
A mispelling or alternate spelling of the Yiddish word tuches meaning buttocks, butt, backside, bottom, posterior, ass, rear-end, booty.

She slipped on the ice and landed on her tuckus.
tuches buttocks butt backside bottom posterior ass rear-end booty
by I shouldn't know these things Feb 24, 2008 share this

[Hooahguy]

well, Tuchus is yiddish for a rear-end.

[Tribesman]

to quote FB, on what you are not allowed to do:

Oh dear , the JIDF website and activities match nearly all of that , you had better petition to get that site shut down Hooah.:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

BTW could you satisfy my curiosity over something you wrote , you described a certain branch of religion as liberal , most people would call that branch extremely conservative , you called your own branch conservative , the conservatives would call that branch liberal , some would even call it heretical or apostate . Is their some special reason you view it as conservative?

[PershsNhpios]

:daisy:

[Fragony]

And curls because they worry so much, finger->hair ehhhhhhh, and beards because they have been doing it for so long

[Hooahguy]

BTW could you satisfy my curiosity over something you wrote , you described a certain branch of religion as liberal , most people would call that branch extremely conservative , you called your own branch conservative , the conservatives would call that branch liberal , some would even call it heretical or apostate . Is their some special reason you view it as conservative?
the ultra-orthodox: extremely conservative in religious views, liberal in politics.
modern orthodox (me): less conservative in religious views, generally more conservative in politics.

[Incongruous]

c) are you calling me racist??????

Ummm...
Maybe I shouldn't answer that for while it may be acceptable for pro-Israel types to call me a Jew hater, it is wrong for me to compare Israel to SA and Nazi Germany and call the IDF a group of insane and armed fascists, so answering that question would also be wrong.

Oh and just to shopw why I have nothing but comntempt for your little group of racists...


JCPA endorses two-state "solution"
The Jewish Council for Public Affairs endorsed for the first time a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


At its annual plenum Tuesday in Atlanta , the body, an umbrella organization representing 14 national Jewish groups and 125 local Jewish community relations councils, resolved that "the organized American Jewish community should affirm its support for two independent, democratic and economically viable states -- the Jewish state of Israel and a state of 'Palestine.'"

Read more here.

List of JCPA member orgs:

American Jewish Committee
http://www.ajc.org

Jewish Congress
http://www.ajcongress.org

Anti-Defamation League
http://www.adl.org

B’nai B'rith
http://www.bnaibrith.org

Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life
http://www.coejl.org JCPA Division

Hadassah
http://www.hadassah.org

Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Life
http://www.hillel.org

Jewish Labor Committee
http://www.jewishlabor.org

Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
http://www.jrf.org

Jewish War Veterans
http://www.jwv.org

National Conference on Soviet Jewry
http://www.ncsj.org/

National Council of Jewish Women
http://www.ncjw.org

National Jewish Coalition for Literacy
http://www.njcl.net

ORT America
http://www.ortamerica.org
National Member Agency

Union for Reform Judaism
http://www.urj.org
National Member Agency

Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America
http://www.ou.org

United Jewish Communities
http://www.ujc.org

United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
http://www.uscj.org

Women's League for Conservative Judaism

(The OU abstained)

(hat tip: Judy Lash Balint)

Anyone who endorses a "two-state solution" is also endorsing the forced expulsion of Jews from their homes in Israel... and the handing over of those homes, schools, shuls, Jewish cemeteries, businesses, property, etc...to terrorists.

Therefore, the JIDF does not and will not ever support a "two state solution" - and question the people who do - is it out of political and religious naïvité and ignorance? a lack of common sense, morals and ethics? A combination of all that?

Idiots, you hooah are indeed anti-palestinian, wonder if that is the same as being a racist?

[Hooahguy]

i will ask, how am i racist? besides reporting anti-semetic sites i also report anti-muslim sites. how is that racism on my part? i cannot speak for the others, though.
anyhow, pardon me while i put you on my ignore list for making probably the dumbest comment yet.
:yes:

[Incongruous]

i will ask, how am i racist? besides reporting anti-semetic sites i also report anti-muslim sites. how is that racism on my part? i cannot speak for the others, though.
anyhow, pardon me while i put you on my ignore list for making probably the dumbest comment yet.
:yes:

Oh bugger off hooah, you support a group which wants to completely destroy Palestine.

[Pannonian]

the ultra-orthodox: extremely conservative in religious views, liberal in politics.
modern orthodox (me): less conservative in religious views, generally more conservative in politics.
Seems like -
Ultra-orthodox: do as I do, and not as I say.
Modern orthodox: do as I say, and not as I do.

[Fragony]

Oh bugger off hooah, you support a group which wants to completely destroy Palestine.

oh teh irony

[Incongruous]

oh teh irony

Oh here comes the bollox.

[rasoforos]

I ve heard that Auntie Threadlock is in town. Rumor has it that she might visit :beam:

Come on you guys can't you chill out a little? You are turning this topic into a 'pushing the envelope' competition...

Have a beer :medievalcheers:

[Tribesman]

besides reporting anti-semetic sites i also report anti-muslim sites.
Yet the home page of the group links to quite a lot of racist sites , so their claim to be fighting hate and bigotry on the internet is pure bollox .

[Fragony]

Oh here comes the bollox.

Yaya we get it, you have nothing against jews some of your best friends are murderous psychopaths.

[Incongruous]

Yaya we get it, you have nothing against jews some of your best friends are murderous psychopaths.

What is the point with you Frag?
Why do even bother to try and create an argument, you might as well just type

ITS THE MUSLIMS! THEY ARE OVER HERE THEY ARE OVER THERE AND ONLY ISRAEL IS PUTTING THEM IN THEIR PLACE!:furious3::furious3::furious3:

What is the difference between us, for me, sentiments which you deem Jew hating only ever occur when the discussion in about Israel. You go out of your way to blame the Muslims for everything. it is a constant with you, you are obsessed by Muslims.

Oh, and in the weekend I'm going to meet some of the guys from HAMAS, it will be really cool we are going to go and read some books by Hitler!:smash:

[Fragony]

What is the point with you Frag?
Why do even bother to try and create an argument, you might as well just type

ITS THE MUSLIMS! THEY ARE OVER HERE THEY ARE OVER THERE AND ONLY ISRAEL IS PUTTING THEM IN THEIR PLACE!:furious3::furious3::furious3:



Why would I do that you have done it for me. Not that I am saying that, but a discussion with you or Tribes usually turns into me having to watch you guys having a monologue with your leftist reflexes.

What is the difference between us, for me, sentiments which you deem Jew hating only ever occur when the discussion in about Israel. You go out of your way to blame the Muslims for everything. it is a constant with you, you are obsessed by Muslims.

There we go. You can't just decide I blame the muslims for everything, I have to do it first.

[Incongruous]

Why would I do that you have done it for me. Not that I am saying that, but a discussion with you or Tribes usually turns into me having to watch you guys having a monologue with your leftist reflexes.

Also, another interesting mental complex for people whom support Israel, the idea that Pro-Palestinian is a Leftist only viewpoint.

Why am I a leftist? I am going to be voting for the Tories and my EU profiler put me on the right of the political spectrum.:smash:

[Fragony]

Also, another interesting mental complex for people whom support Israel, the idea that Pro-Palestinian is a Leftist only viewpoint.

Why am I a leftist? I am going to be voting for the Tories and my EU profiler put me on the right of the political spectrum.:smash:

It are usually the lefties foaming at Israel and who completely blind for the other side of the story, I guess you have some leftist viewpoints, or at least in leftist company in your anti-Israel craze.

[HoreTore]

It are usually the lefties foaming at Israel and who completely blind for the other side of the story, I guess you have some leftist viewpoints, or at least in leftist company in your anti-Israel craze.

Right.....

[Incongruous]

Right.....

Spot on!

[rory_20_uk]

Am I correct in stating that Jews are not the only Semites - indeed many people from the area are ethnically as similar to each other groups as they are to a sample of their own group?

~:smoking:

[Fragony]

Right.....

Well left.

Am I correct in stating that Jews are not the only Semites

yep

[rvg]

So, lets summarize:

Anti-semitism == bad
Playing Internet Police == bad
Blindly supporting Israel == bad
Blindly supporting Palestinians == bad

So, what exactly are we arguing about? The points above are pretty much self evident.

[HoreTore]

Rory: Semetic people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people)

[rory_20_uk]

Given the subject matter, a particularly poor set name to use, given that some rabid anti-semites by this are in fact semites. :wall:

~:smoking:

[Fragony]

Given the subject matter, a particularly poor set name to use, given that some rabit anti-semites by this are in fact semites. :wall:

~:smoking:

Words and their meaning evolve, it's about what is meant when it's said. With anti-semitism we mean anti-jew nowadays.

[rvg]

Given the subject matter, a particularly poor set name to use, given that some rabit anti-semites by this are in fact semites. :wall:

~:smoking:

Well yes. Jews and Arabs are cousins. Hebrew has many similarities with both Arabic and Aramaic. And yet the Jewish Hebrew speakers, the predominantly MUslim Arabic speakers and Christian Aramaic speakers could not possibly be farther apart from each other even though their cultures are quite similar (barring the religious differences)

[Banquo's Ghost]

This thread needs a nap.

I fear it may pass away in its sleep, but who knows?

:closed: