So Many Naval Invasions

[Allhopeforhumanity]

So I'm currently playing a game as Epeiros on H/H and not only are the Greeks getting off of Rhodes, and sailing to attack Cyprus, but the Carthaginians are frequently shuttling soldiers from Africa to Sicily in an attempt to keep me from Lilibeo.

I was wondering what caused this strange occurance, the last few games i played, KH had 4 full stacks chillin on their favorite island and the Macedonians lost everything but Cydonia and proceeded to only build a single boat which of course it only used to blockade my ports as opposed to moving its armies off its island.

[Zett]

Karthadastim often ships troops from Iberia, Corsica, Sardinia and the Balearic Islands to Africa. In one of my KH camapigns, where I hold Kyrene and was at war with them, I frenqunetly faced Iberian Lancearii as well as Balearic and Sardinian troops.

In my new Makedonian Campaign, I kicked Epeiros out of Greek and they went rampage in Italia. I joined the happy Barbaroi killing from the North. After the Romani had lost most of their settlements and Epeiros had taken Capua and Roma, they shiped some troops from Italia to Corsica and attacked Karthadastim (not sure if they were still at war with them). Unfortunately they signed a peace treaty and the tropps went back to Italia.

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Alia under siege

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A second fleet

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Additional troops for the siege of Alia

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Withdraw after peace treaty



Same camapign, this time KH. Isolated on Rhodos for a few years they started a naval invasion to Anatolia, attacked Halikarnassos and took it (it didn't rebel to them)! Then they went rampage in Anatolia and took Sardis, Pergamon and Nikaia.

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Siege of Halikarnassos

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A new power in Anatolia

And yes, I play with RTW.exe. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[Allhopeforhumanity]

Nice, Are you also using an unmodified .exe? I just wonder why the AI's use of a navy is so erratic, either they seem to make extensive uses of it, or they neglect it all together. I'm still crossing my fingers in hope that the Casse will venture off of Britain, but I'm not holding my breath.

[bigmilt16]

That kind of activity is commonplace with BI.exe

[teh1337tim]

it depends really on every campaign
hell ptolemaio and seleukid is slugging it out by the (Jerusalem city, forgot name) and seleukid has lost half of anatolia to me (alliance, trade rights, and i have given money and tribute to them) and pontus is in chersonesos warring with sauromatae while hai is just sitting there. Baktria has conquered and split pahlava while pahlava, saka and baktria is having a 3 way war by antiocheia margiane

Whats even more funny, i moved KH to emporion and massalia, they wooped ass and is holding northern iberia fighting a 3 way war with lusitania and qarthadast. While the banished epirotes has 4 navies transporting troops from kyrene to sicily and up italy.

Wats even more surprising,

Seleukid is allies with pontus, sauro, baktria, me, romans and saka

seleukid has 1 enemy, ptolemaio and all the rest is just minding themselves... wat a wierd campaign, ill post a pic of it later if someone requests it :D

[Aemilius Paulus]

That kind of activity is commonplace with BI.exe
...Or alex.exe, which is what I play. Incidentally, I am also playing Eperios, but VH/M.


Not to mention there is a script that spawns a Casse army(s) Europe after they conquer all of Britain and Ireland.

[Allhopeforhumanity]

...Or alex.exe, which is what I play. Incidentally, I am also playing Eperios, but VH/M.


Not to mention there is a script that spawns a Casse army(s) Europe after they conquer all of Britain and Ireland.

Interesting, that was something that I did not know. I never got around to buying alex, i do have BI and i might try my next campaign on that exe. Thanks for the insight.

[Apázlinemjó]

In alex, the ai will retrain units too.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

In alex, the ai will retrain units too.

They do that in RTW.exe too(I know it because it's the only exe I use). The thing is that retraining is in the bottom of a long list that AI should do during it's turn. So, they will do it when they have money after recruitment and construction and they are not at war with anyone or other factions around that town are at peace with them. Also, barracks and unit AOR are very important too. AI don't ship his units from Spain to Italy just for retraining because AI is too stupid to understand units AOR.
But, I've seen Epeiros retrain it's units in Taras and Qarthadast retrain it's units in Lilibeo.
Retraining is rare(really rare) but AI still do it just like it does naval invasions.

[Cute Wolf]

In Alex.exe, Kart-Hadast AI does retrain their army in africa, if their navy line are secured... I have seen silver chevroned Sacred Band (both HaDorkim, and The cavalry) with full strength wandering in Italy... they could only be trained in Kart-Hadast, right?

[Apázlinemjó]

They do that in RTW.exe too(I know it because it's the only exe I use). The thing is that retraining is in the bottom of a long list that AI should do during it's turn. So, they will do it when they have money after recruitment and construction and they are not at war with anyone or other factions around that town are at peace with them. Also, barracks and unit AOR are very important too. AI don't ship his units from Spain to Italy just for retraining because AI is too stupid to understand units AOR.
But, I've seen Epeiros retrain it's units in Taras and Qarthadast retrain it's units in Lilibeo.
Retraining is rare(really rare) but AI still do it just like it does naval invasions.

Wow then you are lucky, in my RTW.exe only campaigns, the AI didn't retrain anything, that's why he had tons of "gold chevroned" units very thin in numbers, while it could retrain those units in the nearest town.

[antisocialmunky]

...Or alex.exe, which is what I play. Incidentally, I am also playing Eperios, but VH/M.


Not to mention there is a script that spawns a Casse army(s) Europe after they conquer all of Britain and Ireland.

The difference is that the BI naval invasion is incredibly bad to the point where the AI will strip most of their starting armies and subsequent armies to land in the exact same provice(same place to be exact over and over again, totally neglecting their own homelands(beware of Greeks in Tarantium).

Alex on the other hand isn't nearly as foolish so I would recommend that along with the AI retraining, better AI in general, and slightly improved stability over BI. Plus I think that Alex has a higher unit limit if you want to mod in stuff yourself.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Wow then you are lucky, in my RTW.exe only campaigns, the AI didn't retrain anything, that's why he had tons of "gold chevroned" units very thin in numbers, while it could retrain those units in the nearest town.

Like I said it is really rare and you will notice that only in places where they can retrain some lower tier units that are available everywhere(Hoplitai Haploi,Akontistai and the like). You probably will never notice it while playing the game unless you really keep your eyes on things(or you are lucky).

If in Alex.exe they ship their units to places where they can retrain them then .. wow!

[Allhopeforhumanity]

Well, it sounds like i need to go pick up Alex then. I heard however, that it makes your generals immortal somewhere or another here on the forum, if this is the case is there a mini-mod that removes this "feature"?

Oh and if Aemilius Paulus reads this, I tried to send you a PM but it said that your inbox was full.

[Zett]

Well, it sounds like i need to go pick up Alex then. I heard however, that it makes your generals immortal somewhere or another here on the forum, if this is the case is there a mini-mod that removes this "feature"?


I don't have Alex myself, but I think this mod (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94861) will help you to play EB with Alex.exe. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Oh and if Aemilius Paulus reads this, I tried to send you a PM but it said that your inbox was full.
I've read this. Just in case you have not got the hang of Visitor Messages function, or simply do not check them (quite a bit of people do not pay attention to them as they rarely visit their own profile), I have already cleaned up my PM folder. You can send me that reply now.