Dethy Mafia Mini Game [Concluded]

[Captain Blackadder]

5 man game 1 mafia 4 cops

all the standard rules
24 hours Day
24 Hours Night
Voting No lynch is allowed
No revealing investigation results upon death.
You must wait untill the end of any night sequance to reveal and results you may have


The Blackadder Police Department is in turmoil today with the revilation that known Mafia Boss Don Modello has infiltraited the elite Flying Squad Unit with one of his moles.Before the case against Modello can begin they need to find the mole and get rid of him. With so much investigatory power at their hands this should be an easy task right?

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1 Greyblades
2 Caius
3 Cronos Impera
4 YLC
5 Askthepizzaguy

If anyone one has any questions at all about Dethy Mafia and how it differs to regular just ask.

[Greyblades]

In. This should be good.

[Caius]

Why not?

[Cronos Impera]

In.

[ULC]

Hmmm...In

[Askthepizzaguy]

In.

[navarro951]

In...although i think im too late.

[Captain Blackadder]

Navarro you can be a back up if someone drops out. Whilst I would like to add another role in this game it really needs 5 for it to work

Roles going out now.

[Greyblades]

Huh I recognise this setup, all but one of us are cops, its a matter of figuring out which is paranoid(always guilty) which is trusting(allways innocent) which is normal and which is backwards(guilty when innocent and vice versa).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well it would seem easy to solve. Everyone investigates the same person.

[Greyblades]

The combinations are endless, there is also the possibility that the mafia will try to manipulate it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

oops nevermind that wouldn't work.


Detective investigates: Innocent/Guilty

always guilty________guilty/guilty
always innocent_____innocent/innocent
normal_____________innocent/guilty
backwards__________guilty/innocent

That means we would get 2 guilty results and 2 innocent results. Wouldn't help much.

[Greyblades]

Also there is the joker card of the mafia's made up result adding to the mix.

[Captain Blackadder]

Everyone has the Roles now so get started.

Note: Your Character was randomly determined from some of my favourite cops in movie's and TV and thus has no bearing on you actual role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Suggestions on strategy?

This may sound like a killjoy, but the "obvious" strategy is to try to use the detective results to help us (no lynch) However, if the mafioso can murder at night, it will only take two murders before we are screwed and we have to guess on the final day. Since the results are going to be more confusing than helpful, I would advise treating the game like my murder manor mini games and just trying to get lucky and lynching the person in question. I'll give you a hint: I'm not the mafioso. If we are going to do the "no lynch" thing, perhaps it would be best if we all investigated the "person to our left", and then the next night the "person to our right", compare notes, and then lynch.

If I were to guess, my role will always find a guilty result... I am supposedly very determined to get to the truth, but I have to believe that over-enthusiasm will just end up messing with my results.


Example:

1 Greyblades
2 Caius
3 Cronos Impera
4 YLC
5 Askthepizzaguy

Greyblades investigates Caius, Caius investigates Cronos, Cronos investigates YLC, YLC investigates ATPG, ATPG investigates Greyblades. (down)
Next night, Greyblades investigates ATPG, ATPG investigates YLC, YLC investigates Cronos, Cronos investigates Caius, Caius investigates Greyblades (up)

Of course, skipping any dead people.

[Greyblades]

I asked blackadder about my own PM and he said:
I wouldn't take anything from the role description. Your Character as it were was randomly determined separate from the role so you might be Paranoid or you might not be.
So no dice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:shrug: that sucks. I was hoping to be all clever and such.

[Greyblades]

Well lets see, if we do as you suggest and do not lynch and investigate the guy on the left we will end up with the mafia framing someone by, lets say killing YLC and blaming Cronos because he will be prime suspect, and you know how that goes, we will end up lynching Cronos and all the mafia will have to do is kill one more and he will win on night 2.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well lets see, if we do as you suggest and do not lynch and investigate the guy on the left we will end up with the mafia framing someone by, lets say killing YLC and blaming Cronos because he will be prime suspect, and you know how that goes, we will end up lynching Cronos and all the mafia will have to do is kill one more and he will win on night 2.

Why would we auto-lynch Cronos?

[Greyblades]

I didnt say we will automatically lynch him, or whoever it is for that matter but unless we can get somthing out of the writeup, or someone slips something, the framed guy will be the only one with some suspicion, and with the mafia's goading, will probably end up lynched

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scenario one:

Day one: Lynch; possible hit on the mafia. 25% chance (4 choices besides yourself)
Night one: murder; leaves us with 3 remaining.
Day two: Second chance to catch the mafioso: 50/50 choice (you won't vote for yourself)

Scenario two:

Day one: No lynch. No mafia dead. 5 remaining. (0% chance of killing mafia)
Night one: murder. 4 remaining.
Day two: no lynch. No mafia dead. 4 remaining. (0% chance of killing mafia)
Night two: murder. 3 remaining.
Day three. Only chance to catch the mafioso: 50/50 choice.

I like the odds better in scenario one.

[Greyblades]

Point, though choosing who to kill is going to be pointless until more than 2 of us are talking. Well, I say we wait until tomorrow (real not game tommorrow) and lynch anyone trying to lurk in a 5 player game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:shrug: pick anyone besides me and I'll vote for them.

[Greyblades]

Well if we can get the mafia out of lurking by threatening to kill lurkers we should be able to get them talking, if they are talkative we have a chance of them accidentaly letting something slip.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doubtful. More likely talking makes us paranoid and people will lynch each other for talking too much.

Oh noes that means blarg I am ded.

[ULC]

Oh, it's one of these games - read about them, but never encountered one. IIRC, there is a viable solution to win, give me a bit of time to see if I can't remember or find it.

Okay, so we have two useless cops and two helpful ones, since once an insane cop finds out he is insane, his results are just as valid as the normal cop.

Hmmm...what if we had a confidante? One person ingame who knew all the detective results? He would then be able to correlate them rather effectively, since the ONLY disturbance in the results will produce a "Innocent, Guilty" result. This person could also act as proxy to send in the orders for everyone, thus, this keeps any potential mafioso out of the loop.The only hitch is the town has a 20% chance of accidentally picking the mafioso for the confidante.

In the event that nothing comes of it, either the town has been manipulated by the Confidante, or the mafia have been really lucky.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, it's one of these games - read about them, but never encountered one. IIRC, there is a viable solution to win, give me a bit of time to see if I can't remember or find it.

Okay, so we have two useless cops and two helpful ones, since once an insane cop finds out he is insane, his results are just as valid as the normal cop.

Hmmm...what if we had a confidante? One person ingame who knew all the detective results? He would then be able to correlate them rather effectively, since the ONLY disturbance in the results will produce a "Innocent, Guilty" result. This person could also act as proxy to send in the orders for everyone, thus, this keeps any potential mafioso out of the loop.The only hitch is the town has a 20% chance of accidentally picking the mafioso for the confidante.

In the event that nothing comes of it, either the town has been manipulated by the Confidante, or the mafia have been really lucky.I am opposed to this strategy. No, any results must be made public to all. I also have to admit I don't see any advantages the strategy brings to the table over public knowledge and people investigating who they choose.

Vote: Caius

He should have posted by now. He was online and posting on these forums when the game began, after the roles were sent out. Lurking means death. Any wise mafioso would kill off the talkative players so they might be able to sneak through the game, leaving the lurkers to perhaps even miss their vote. Might as well get rid of a lurker ourselves. Got a 25% chance of hitting him anyway.

[ULC]

Right sure, public reveals aren't more damaging to the Town effort at all - that's why when someone posts their role PM, the mafia can't use it to fake their own, or say publicly saying what one person obtained from an investigation won't allow the mafia to make a nice guess as to what they should say they revealed for theirs.

By keeping knowledge away from one group, you make one an informed group and another an uniformed group, hence we would turn the tables on the mafia.

Vote:ATPG

Your oh so smarter then that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right sure, public reveals aren't more damaging to the Town effort at all - that's why when someone posts their role PM, the mafia can't use it to fake their own, or say publicly saying what one person obtained from an investigation won't allow the mafia to make a nice guess as to what they should say they revealed for theirs.

By keeping knowledge away from one group, you make one an informed group and another an uniformed group, hence we would turn the tables on the mafia.

Vote:ATPG

Your oh so smarter then that.

Uh... we have precisely one investigation this game if we lynch this round. How does keeping it a secret help?

What was that about being smart?

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right well since Greyblades is the only other one talking, I hereby nominate him to be the confidante we tell all our results to. And I nominate Cronos Impera as being the person we all investigate.

Vote for Caius!

[ULC]

Fine, you convinced me over MSN

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Caius

[FactionHeir]

I'm not part of this game, but we did have this game type before and I wrote some analysis in there:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=97947

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah this one is a bit different it seems... looks like the mafia can murder us. Unless Blackadder says otherwise.

[Cronos Impera]

Is this the day or night phase?

[Greyblades]

Well we are voting, so its the day phase.

[Caius]

Sorry people yesterday I got as a Spanish gift Civ 4. Besides, I left and half hour later the game started. Sorry.

I remember Omanes mini mafia and this is what we need to do. Everyone investigates the first one, and the first votes the second. Everyone investigates the second, except the second, who investigates the third. If we do not get killed, then we will have to post our results. We will rule out who is the cop who gets all guilty, all innocent, and so on. You have to trust this method.

Vote: Abstain

I'd not trust YLC, but I need more time to say something else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't trust this method. I prefer to get two shots at destroying the mafia, with the mafia taking out one of us to make it even easier, and if they don't, we no lynch/investigate ad infinitum until they do.

Greyblades, Cronos, vote. :whip:

If Caius goes, I don't have to vote for either one of you. :smash:

[Caius]

So we get killed? That changes the thing. Changes are good.

[Greyblades]

:rolleyes: Well I said we should lynch the guy who lurks, seeing as he's only posted once and sounded allmost impatient for the round to be over. vote: cronos

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cronos works for me, actually. He posted and didn't vote after asking a question. Has he played mafia before? I don't remember.

unvote, vote: Cronos Impera

At least Caius is trying.

[Caius]

I still want to know what YLC have to say.

[ULC]

I still want to know what YLC have to say.

I really don't have much to say :inquisitive:

[Caius]

He posted and didn't vote after asking a question. Has he played mafia before? I don't remember.
He did, but he was WoG'ed several times AFAIK.

[Captain Blackadder]

Ok Voting is closed prepare for write up

[Captain Blackadder]

John McClane (Cronos) is brought before the rest of the detectives. He glares at them whispering various things under his breath about how this whole thing is an exercise in futility and how we should wait for the results to get back in before trying anything.

The other police look at him and shake their heads. Nicholas Angel walks up to him and says "John McClane you have broken every rule in the book. You are a disgrace to the Police Service. Get out now. John turns and walks away as he is leaving he makes a sudden and dramatic leap through the glass window and into the room where the evidence his he tries to burn it with his lighter but it fails which causes him to yell loudly Yippee ki-yay, . The entire collected group of detectives just stares at him shaking their heads and tackle him to the ground and place him under arrest.

POLICE WIN


Congrats to everyone and once again the first round lynch shows its worth. If people wish I could give out the roles again or you can accept this quick victory.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:bounce:

Sweet. Never lurk as mafia, or I'll kills ya. Nicely done, fellers.

[Greyblades]

That was quick. Allright my first win!

[ULC]

Wow, probability, on the towns side :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I did say it was better to attempt to kill the mafia on the first day, didn't I?

A couple of bullets, properly aimed of course, are better than any kind of bizarre strategy involving our confusing detective powers. Remember that any mafia game, no matter how strange, is usually won by lynching someone and that you never really have all the answers, so.... pick!

[Caius]

I've never won ion a long time. BTW, this is my PM ( I could had been Andy Sipowitcz) (gah)


Hello this is the Commissioner. You are Sergeant Nicholas Angel the very definition of a top cop. You are so good at your job that you make every other member of the force look bad. You are a modern cop who believes in a new kind of policing, by the book. You follow the regulations at all times and correct people who use outdated un politically correct terms such as calling it the Force (Too aggressive) or Policeman (Sexist towards Female Officers).


Night Time
You may investigate one Person every Night

[Captain Blackadder]

Role PM's

Greyblades

Hello this is Commissioner. You are D.C.I Gene Hunt a loyal police officer.Whilst there is a very fine line between the criminal and the copper and you sometimes get very close to crossing that line but you always ensure you stay on the side of the law. You are a 70's cop who does not care about Prisoner rights and the words Political Correctness mean nothing to you.You will do whatever it takes to get this mole out of the Police Department.


Night Time Activities

You can investigate One Person every night

Mod Note Insane Cop

Caius

Hello this is the Commissioner. You are Sergeant Nicholas Angel the very definition of a top cop. You are so good at your job that you make every other member of the force look bad. You are a modern cop who believes in a new kind of policing, by the book. You follow the regulations at all times and correct people who use outdated un politically correct terms such as calling it the Force (Too aggressive) or Policeman (Sexist towards Female Officers).


Night Time
You may investigate one Person every Night

Mod Note Paranoid Cop

Cronus

Hello this is Don Modello. You are my loyal Captain who is going to destroy all the incriminating evidence once all those policemen are dead. Kill those cops and don't let them discover you otherwise I will have to take certain step to prevent you from talking. Capiche?

Night Time Activities
You may kill one Person every Night.

Cover Role

Hello this is the Commissioner you are John McClane a loyal Police officer. You are a rebellious cop who doesn't care about those so called rules. You can take anything that anyone throws at you and then some. Get that mole.

Night Time Activities
You may investigate one person every night
Mole

YLC

Hello this is the Commissioner you are Detective Jim Gordon the only loyal cop in your old town you moved to Blackadder to get away from the corruption only to find that it followed you here. You are going to do anything to stop the corruption from gaining a foothold in this town. A pity you can't call Batman to help you out this one you are going to have to do on your own.

Night Time Activities

You may investigate one person.
Mod Note Cop

ATPG

Hello this is the Commissioner you are Frank Bullitt the man with the coolest name in the world. You are the original rebellious cop and a loyal one as well. You drive around in you signature Ford Mustang. You may be jaded but you have a determination to get the truth that no one else has. Find the mole.

Night Time Activities
You may investigate one person

Mod Note Naive Cop



Congratulations everyone. I felt for sure that you would try to find out the mole using the investigations but you didn't whilst there is a way to almost make sure a win for town you won easily. Good Work I might do another one of these some time in the future.

[ULC]

LOL, So I was the real cop in this whole thing? :laugh4:

[Captain Blackadder]

LOL, So I was the real cop in this whole thing? :laugh4:

Yep you and Greyblades were the important ones

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok what was the "real" solution?

[Captain Blackadder]

Firstly you vote no lynch for round one you get everyone to investigate the person to their left. You post the infomation you get then you vote no lynch again and investigate the next link in the chain. You are now down to the final three. The chances are that you will now now which kind of cop you are and either the normal or insane cop would have investigated the mole. And now you can lynch said person and win. The only spanner in this work can be if the mafia manage to kill the insane cop and pretend to be that. If you do that you should have a better chance of getting the mole above 50% with only a few different outcomes changing the game. So as I said before it is not a sure win but you can almost make it so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How about this:

You lynch, round one. that's 1 out of 4 suspects down.
Mafia murders round one. That's 2 out of 4 suspects down.
You lynch, round two. That's 3 out of 4 suspects down.

That's a 75% chance of winning, because the mafia has to assist you in picking the correct one. From a player's perspective, he's never a suspect, so that's a freebie.

[autolycus]

Your math is off, Atpg. First round you have a 1 in 4, second round, is a three in four(that you didn't win first round) times a 1 in 2 that you choose accurately in that round. This totals to a 5 in 8 chance, not a 75%.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If that's the case, then my bad. The thing is that you generally want to leave alone a thread that's been inactive since may of last year; May have worked to just PM me about this.

No harm done, but they frown on what they call thread necromancy. This game is long dead, not unlike my handsome avatar.

[Thermal]

Simliar to double A game at the twc, that was good :tongue:

[Double A]

Yeah :laugh4:

In, I want to see what it's like to be on the receiving end :tongue:

[Captain Blackadder]

?

Is this a sign that people want another dethy mafia?

[Thermal]

Well I was aware it had ended, but Double A clearly isn't, seeing as how abrupt this was another couldn't harm though. :tongue:

[Double A]

Oh wait it ended last year?

I was never here.