Yaalah, My Sultan Wishes you Dead!!! [Archive]

Cute Wolf

05-10-2009, 14:38

If u click anything in M2TW, they will sound a feedback if you're not their owner... I think how funny it would be if in EB II, a phalavan captain will sound like phalavan when you play him, but they will sound just like Muslim captain when you're their enemy!!!

And Aedui diplomat speaks: Bonjour Mon Ami.....

satalexton

05-10-2009, 17:25

wouldn't it be good if we have a makedonian general say 'ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!' when you click on him?

antisocialmunky

05-10-2009, 18:13

It would be better if it was in Greek.

I Am Herenow

05-11-2009, 06:16

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SwissBarbar

05-11-2009, 07:51

The Fuzz

05-12-2009, 16:06

The Arabic phrases in M2TW did make the game though. I'll never get tired of "HIMSHI! INFIDEL!"

eddy_purpus

05-12-2009, 16:43

Ibrahim

05-12-2009, 22:00

you have it all wrong. His sultan doesn't wish you dead-he wishes your sultan dead.

in any event; I think it would be cool if the stratmap characters threaten in their native languages; just imagine meeting a sabaean general speaking sabaean to ye, or a gaul gallic, or romani in latin..

the possibilities are near endless IMHO.

Cute Wolf

05-13-2009, 05:04

And Gauls speak french and Sweboz speak Germans....
BTW, M2TW stratmap interface is excellent, even better than Empire....

Alsatia

05-13-2009, 10:30

and the Casse speak English

Looking at the language diversity, the voice modders could have a hard time. This is going to take a while.

Empire is really good, except for the fact that there are not enough regions.:thumbsdown:

ALL HAIL EB!!!

bobbin

05-13-2009, 15:34

Is it not tied to culture? That might cause a problem, german and dacians replying in celtic, Sabeans speaking punic etc.

Hax

05-13-2009, 19:29

Is it not tied to culture? That might cause a problem, german and dacians replying in celtic, Sabeans speaking punic etc.

Thankfully, it's not tied to culture in Medieval II, according to Shigawire. That means Germanic generals replying in their language, woohoo!

bobbin

05-13-2009, 20:05

gladas ða-sah kun-iðiz makôn me!

Tellos Athenaios

05-13-2009, 20:08

In M2TW speech is tied to "accent".

Hax

05-13-2009, 21:23

But accent can be different per culture, right? I mean, the French, English and Scots all have northern_european culture and have different accents.

Cyclops

05-14-2009, 03:49

But accent can be different per culture, right? I mean, the French, English and Scots all have northern_european culture and have different accents.

Maybe they couild all have a placeholder "Hmmm?" noise until work can be done on the linguistic side.

Are these audio files easily modded? Maybe I'll make the Sweboz generals yell "Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!"

Cute Wolf

05-14-2009, 06:49

Better use french, english, muslim, and german reply than use hmmm tough:laugh4:

Atraphoenix

05-14-2009, 15:41

what about unknown or dead languages, like saromatae, saka, etc.
it is impossible to make a voicemod for each faction.

Prussian to the Iron

05-14-2009, 23:01

i noticed you said sauromatae and saka; perhaps they could use the modern language spoken there? or the earliest fully-known language of those regions?

bobbin

05-15-2009, 21:41

The only surviving ancestor of the scythian language group is Ossetian AFAIK. Don't know what EB uses in naming the Sauromatae units, is that a reconstuction?

Saka would have also spoken a Scythian language but probably very different from the Sauromatae given the distance between them.

Alsatia

05-16-2009, 00:48

The voicemods are going to be difficult, unless they reuse them. They sound slightly hollow in EBI.

Saka probably did speak scythian, but it says it was spoken in China.:inquisitive:

Sometimes you can never trust some sources.

bobbin

05-16-2009, 01:04

I'd imagine they would keep the old voicemods as it would take a lot of time and money to re-record them, not that they'd need to in my book, I like the voicemods a lot.

The Scythian languages are part of the Iranian language group which originated in central asia so I don't think its that hard a stretch of the imagination to imagine a Scythian language being spoken in far western modern china (which is just on the eastern edge of the EB map).

Scythian is also a rather loose term and seems to be applied to a lot of nomadic people living from the ukraine to central asia.

Ibrahim

05-16-2009, 05:12

Better use french, english, muslim, and german reply than use hmmm tough:laugh4:

oh come on! you know there is no such thing.

bah! whatever.

Alsatia

05-16-2009, 05:45

Better use french, english, muslim, and german reply than use hmmm tough:laugh4:

A muslim is a person that practices Islam. The correct word should be arabic here. Just to reinforce the above post.

I used to get mixed up with muslim/arabic before as well.

Ludens

05-16-2009, 10:14

A muslim is a person that practices Islam. The correct word should be arabic here. Just to reinforce the above post.

Although Arabic is indeed the language of most Muslims, several important Muslim countries use different languages, most notably Turkey and Iran.

Alsatia

05-16-2009, 12:42

True., True. It is just one of the range of major languages in the Middle east.

athanaric

05-16-2009, 13:24

Although Arabic is indeed the language of most Muslims, several important Muslim countries use different languages, most notably Turkey and Iran.

Actually the country with the biggest Muslim population is Indonesia, which has some indigenous languages as well.

bobbin

05-16-2009, 14:48

Arabic speaking countries.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Arabic_speaking_world.svg/300px-Arabic_speaking_world.svg.png
Green: Sole official language
Blue: Co-official language

Indonesian is a Malay language spoken by the vast majority of indonesians, usually as a second language though.

Belisarius II

05-16-2009, 18:03

Ha, that reminds me of a time when I overheard someone say that Jews came from Jewland https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/smilies/gc/gc-dizzy2.gif

Anyways, I was a bit sad in Empire when I found out that the a people on the map didn't talk to you. I missed an angry Frenchman yelling at me when I sack Paris.

Prussian to the Iron

05-16-2009, 18:55

Ha, that reminds me of a time when I overheard someone say that Jews came from Jewland

........thats our best theme park; everyone knows that, even gentiles.....:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Moros

05-16-2009, 21:11

Saka would have also spoken a Scythian language but probably very different from the Sauromatae given the distance between them.
Not sure but wouldn't the saka talk a more eastern language? Probably closer to modern Turkish than Iranian?

bobbin

05-17-2009, 00:27

All I've read about them said they spoke a Northeastern Iranian language (of which Scythian was a part), I imagine they would have been a bit mixed but probably not with turkic as the Yuezhi were to their east. That said i'm no expert on this.

Cute Wolf

05-17-2009, 05:37

Hey... I refer to "Muslim faction" in M2TW and didn't mean much about religion......
And I am Indonesian....

athanaric

05-17-2009, 18:00

Not sure but wouldn't the saka talk a more eastern language? Probably closer to modern Turkish than Iranian?

I don't think so. The Saka language fragments I found in EB don't look very Turkish, either. Any similarities between Turkish and Iranian languages arise from the fact that Turkish borrowed much from these languages (and even more from Tokharian).

I missed an angry Frenchman yelling at me when I sack Paris.
They do? I think I must try this game after all.

MeinPanzer

05-17-2009, 18:36

Not sure but wouldn't the saka talk a more eastern language? Probably closer to modern Turkish than Iranian?

Only two fragments of the "Saka language" exist from the EB timeframe: the inscription from a drinking vessel from the Issyk kurgan (late 4th to early 3rd c. BC) and another on a silver ingot from the treasury at Ai-Khanoum (middle or late 2nd c. BC ?). Based on a comparison between these very brief inscriptions and Khotanese Saka, it has been pretty well proven that the language spoken by the Saka both in Semirechye and in modern Pakistan and Afghanistan was an Iranian language written in a variant of the Kharosthi script. It's also evident from onomastic and toponymic evidence that two major Saka dialects existed after their invasion into the latter regions: that spoken around Gandhara and Mathura and that from Sistan and Khotan.

Furthermore, there are tantalizing hints from evidence derived from Kushan inscriptions in a similar language that the Rouzhi (Yuezhi) also spoke an Iranian tongue before being driven westwards, which would mean that there were Iranian speakers in the Gansu corridor of western China. It is equally possible (if perhaps unlikely), however, that the Rouzhi adopted this language from the Saka whom they encountered.

HayGuy

05-20-2009, 19:51

So...where can I get tickets to this jewland?

Belisarius II

05-28-2009, 14:17

So would the Saka speak Iranian if what MeinPanzer says is true? With possibly a Chinese dialect?

bobbin

05-28-2009, 14:58

They would have spoken a Iranian language not Iranian, ie English is a germanic language but its not german.

Don't think they would have been influence much by chinese as to the east of them were the Yeuzhi (who as Meinpanzer said might have spoken an Iranian language) and then the poweful Xionghu who might have spoken a Yeniseian, Turkic, or Iranian language.
The chinese were pretty much confined to china at that point and it would be a while before they reached what they called "the western regions" (central asia)

Moros

05-28-2009, 17:34

Only two fragments of the "Saka language" exist from the EB timeframe: the inscription from a drinking vessel from the Issyk kurgan (late 4th to early 3rd c. BC) and another on a silver ingot from the treasury at Ai-Khanoum (middle or late 2nd c. BC ?). Based on a comparison between these very brief inscriptions and Khotanese Saka, it has been pretty well proven that the language spoken by the Saka both in Semirechye and in modern Pakistan and Afghanistan was an Iranian language written in a variant of the Kharosthi script. It's also evident from onomastic and toponymic evidence that two major Saka dialects existed after their invasion into the latter regions: that spoken around Gandhara and Mathura and that from Sistan and Khotan.

Furthermore, there are tantalizing hints from evidence derived from Kushan inscriptions in a similar language that the Rouzhi (Yuezhi) also spoke an Iranian tongue before being driven westwards, which would mean that there were Iranian speakers in the Gansu corridor of western China. It is equally possible (if perhaps unlikely), however, that the Rouzhi adopted this language from the Saka whom they encountered.

Thanks for the info, it's an area I know almost nothing about. Which is a shame really, but then again I have enough history to read already anyway.

MeinPanzer

05-28-2009, 17:35

Don't think they would have been influence much by chinese as to the east of them were the Yeuzhi (who as Meinpanzer said might have spoken an Iranian language) and then the poweful Xionghu who might have spoken a Yeniseian, Turkic, or Iranian language.
The chinese were pretty much confined to china at that point and it would be a while before they reached what they called "the western regions" (central asia)

Bobbin is exactly right here, but one point should also be added. Rather than Chinese influence on the language of the Rouzhi, who likely spoke an Iranian tongue, there is actually evidence of Indo-European influence in Chinese in some very limited vocabulary which could likely be traced back to the Rouzhi or, much less likelier, the Xiongnu (Otto Maenchen-Helfen was, IIRC, the first to identify this).

Blxz

06-23-2009, 07:09

Although Arabic is indeed the language of most Muslims, several important Muslim countries use different languages, most notably Turkey and Iran.

Indonesia, Malyasia, Indian muslisms, pakistan, I would consider those pretty notable as well.

MerlinusCDXX

06-23-2009, 11:47

Also, Central Asian Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikstan, Kyrghizstan, and Kazakhstan speak either Iranian, Turkic, Mongol (from the Muslim-converted Cha'adai Khaanate's former territory) or Pashtun languages and their derivatives, though you may hear Arabic "loan-words" in some of those languages.

Satyros

06-23-2009, 18:36

Are these audio files easily modded? Maybe I'll make the Sweboz generals yell "Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!"

I vote for this .

You could also tweak things so that the opponents of the Gesetae say : " I hit .... to no effect ? "

This would be a nice addition too I believe . Heh .

But seriously I think it would nice to see the responses in EB if at all possible . I could live without it though .

Satyros

Majd il-Romani

06-28-2009, 06:13

The Arabic phrases in M2TW did make the game though. I'll never get tired of "HIMSHI! INFIDEL!"
the Arabs in M2 sound so white... its funny

but seriously, will there be subtitles on the campaign map if what they say is going to be in their own language? Cause I really dont wanna hear hjbifdssagvbhrek from my general and not know what it means...