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Duguntz
05-15-2009, 23:11
So, In my last thread, I talked about my bad time (still bad! but at least stable!) with those tin can of Romans (I'm playing Sweboz) Then I received an interesting post that gave me the idea for this thread, who said that Sweboz was underpowered in comparaison to other barbarians. I don't know if a thread like that is to be found yet, so I take the risk to open it (or just bother by starting it for a 15'th time!)

BARBARIAN COMPARAISON... good and bad, better or worse. I think that Sweboz are effectivly in disadventage in face of, let say, Romans, or even Gauls, who get their first reform really soon... (I mean, their solduros are as strong as my body guard!!!) and Another thing is that Sweboz get their reform (yet historically accurate) , real far in the game (when you have to face stronger opponents in permanance, forcing us to do, in most case, war of attrition, raiding when we have the chance, etc...)... Still, i trien both gauls, the getai, the casse... I don't refind that wild side anywhere else than with the Sewboz, so, I cope with those disadventages, and I keep striking defensless town (that the honorific part!) Keeping no prisoners when I'm really pissed off at the guy in front (that's the noble part!) and just like to imagine the sacking then! (that's the polite part!)

Wich are your favourite barbarians and why...

Maion Maroneios
05-15-2009, 23:29
The Hellen in me screams that I should say Barbaroi are Barbaroi. Filthy, smelly, uncivilised. The worse of the worse. But on a serious note, I don't really think the Suebi are underpowered. They are just (and I guess historically were) more "primitive" than the rest of the factions, meaning they have a more "primitive" (almost naked?) style of combat. Plus, from what I've learned playing the Sweboz for a while, they didn't have easy access to materials like iron, preferring spears and clubs for their heavier dependance of wood (which was rather plentiful that time, they didn't wipe their arses with consentrated tree substance that time :clown:).

As for which "barbarian" faction I believe is the best, or better the coolest, I would have to vote for the Lusotannan. They have cool units, and have great potential. Their excellent armour and guerilla tactics, as well as a possibility of more Roman-like "manipular" formations, make their armies quite impressive on the battlefield.

Maion

athanaric
05-15-2009, 23:44
Which are your favourite barbarians and why...

Swêboz. I like their units most, for design reasons as well as for the badass factor (not to forget their funny names). OTOH, their economy is just pathetic, which makes a Swêboz campaign tougher as times proceed and the "civilized" competition, especially those nasty Romans, becomes increasingly capable of outproducing you.
Casse are cool, too. Although it is a pity that chariots become unavailable with the second reform.

Basically, if you want lots of spearmen (every "native" Germanic unit except for the Druxtiz Basterniska carries either a spear or javelins or both!), AP and frightening units, Swêboz are ideal for you.
If you want to have the best selection of swordsmen in the game plus a decent economy (paved roads etc.), play Aedui or Arverni.
If you want to play hide and seek on the battlefield, the Lusotannan are first choice (with Swêboz and Getai being second). Have fun with your cavalry hiding in long grass. Plus, every Iberian unit except for slingers and melee cavalry carries javelins.
If you want a really diverse unit roster, play Getai.
If you want to go "crazy", play Casse.

Duguntz
05-15-2009, 23:44
The sweboz aren't underpowered in overall, but it is a fact that they are at a disadventage at every levels before their reform! It's a challange and make it fun though, to fight legion with almost naked guys! and I like to imagine the face of the roman in front of such a fight! The Romans were indeed, scared of gauls for that reason. The problem, is that the early Gauls and Germans were indeed HUGE and muscular men, most of them, and their shield were too narow to offer good protection against the javelins of the velites and the pilae of the Romans... Argh... sorry, when i start to talk about history, I can't stop! Back to the topic!!!

why I think Sweboz are rally nice to play? I just love seeing the mighty legions being routed by naked men!, surprise attack, fear effect, yeah, those are a real pleasure to play, and even more to role-play!!!

DaciaJC
05-15-2009, 23:50
Getai are my favorite. The kings of shock infantry, I refer to them. Drapanai, Rhomphaiaphoroi, Traikioi Peltastai... heh.

A diverse unit roster (already mentioned) and a close proximity to the drowning-in-money Hellenes mean the Getai can experience much of both the military and economic worlds.

Tristuskhan
05-16-2009, 00:01
Getai are my favorite. The kings of shock infantry, I refer to them. Drapanai, Rhomphaiaphoroi, Traikioi Peltastai... heh.

A diverse unit roster (already mentioned) and a close proximity to the drowning-in-money Hellenes mean the Getai can experience much of both the military and economic worlds.

Very true, they also have easy access to Cordinau Orca, an outstanding heavy infantry, plus elite archers (scythians) and good enough horse archers (scythian riders), making one of the most versatile roaster in the game.

In spite of all those qualities, I got my a** handed to me when I met Pahlava in Tarsos during my getai campaign...

Duguntz
05-16-2009, 00:03
The only problem with the getai, (i think ,I'm no getai expert) is that, although good front line infantry, they rely a lot on skirmishing unit (i must admit that their heavy peltast are great!) wich is usedul against less moblie force, like Mak pikemen and Hellen phalanx, but rather fare poorly against other shock infantry, especially with AP attribute.

the two nicier ''pool'' of units still belong to Getai, and Lusotann. Ha, but nothin's comparable to those fantastic (and unfortunatly only mercenary) German Worgozez... Is there any way to recruit those wild wolf-men? Anyway, I agree with you, Frontline1944 (are you born on a 6 june? t'would be in accordance with your name! ) that Geati can be a great experiance of barbarians tactic and decent economy at the same time...

Still, I hope I'm not the only one here to find that wild side of the swebos attractive!

bobbin
05-16-2009, 00:21
The Sweboz can get massive XP boosts from their buildings (something like 3 or 4 chevs) which make up for the lack of armour early on, also if your willing to take on one of those horrendous rebel stacks in central europe and capture the province you get access to the Boii Cingetos, excellent troops who are essentially celtic legionnares.

As for favourite barbaroi faction I'd say the Lusotanna and they really do have an amazing unit roster(possibly best of all the factions), the only niggle being that it is all confined in or near iberia, unlike the celts who can get good troops practically everywhere.

athanaric
05-16-2009, 00:54
the two nicier ''pool'' of units still belong to Getai, and Lusotann. Ha, but nothin's comparable to those fantastic (and unfortunatly only mercenary) German Worgozez... Is there any way to recruit those wild wolf-men?

I'm afraid there isn't, unless you mod them to be recruitable. After all, they really aren't regular troops...

satalexton
05-16-2009, 00:59
The Romaioi. I can never get tired of shacking their capital Barbaropolis. Subsequently I occasionally Roleplay a romani campaign which consist of Barbarpolis getting burned to the ground by mighty Makedonia.

Fluvius Camillus
05-16-2009, 16:52
Ah another fine joke of Satalexton which we've never heard...

I have not played a barbarian faction yet, although I want to in the future, this thread is a nice one for picking the best choice for me.

What do the Sweboz reforms grant exactly?

I guess these guys, correct me if I'm wrong though..

Thegnoz Drugule (Germanic Heavy Infantry) and Marhathegnoz (Germanic Heavy Cavalry)?
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/sweboz/sweboz_thegnoz_drugule.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/sweboz/sweboz_marhathegnoz.gif

~Fluvius

satalexton
05-16-2009, 17:10
:clown:You gotta think like an ork (from WH40k) when playing the sweboz. And yes, the "more choppy and 'arder skin" reforms are much much needed during middle to late game as the skins of 'umies are simply not as resilant as that of the real boyz....

However, tacticz are essentially the same, u gather up some nobs, subdue a few mobs, bring 'em together....and WAAAGH!!!!!!!!

Cadwalader
05-16-2009, 17:36
I'll have to say the Sweboz. I just love building up my little forest kingdom, Gawjam after Gawjam. Also, they are my "ancestors" culturally, maybe even genetically. Therefore, I feel I can relate to them in a way. I also like the Casse. I'm a sucker for isolated factions with lots of room for "tribal warfare", it seems.

Andronikos
05-16-2009, 17:38
From barbarian factions - definitely Gauls, good balance between being barbarian and civilised, many units, various enemies to fight with. I like Aedui a little more than Arverni.
Casse and Sweboz are nice too. I don't know why, but Lusotannans and Getai have never interested me much.

(Fluvius: prehaps the reform gives Sweboz that armored guys with huge spears = Speutagardaz too, but I'm not sure, haven't played Sweboz after getting new units in 1.x, but I will as soon as RL and unfinished campaigns permit :beam:)

Ibrahim
05-17-2009, 01:00
barbarians? as in gauls, germanics, getics, and britons, and so on?

well, in this case, the advantages are that they are mobile, hit hard, and are dirt cheap. of all of them, I most love the Arverni, especially they're elites.

disadvantage: they aren't arab-'nuff said:clown:

Cute Wolf
05-17-2009, 06:15
Casse..... Their 2 handed swordsmen, and Hammermen will chomp those Romans (or Epeirotes) very good..... (only Thracian Rhomphaia elite is better than them...)

Duguntz
05-17-2009, 19:24
Well, I must take back what I said about sweboz : Basicly, their units is truly backward in comparaison of let's say, Solduros or Legionary, but, as pointed out earlier, lvl 3 temple of Deiwoz makes you train unit with gold chevron at base. Basicly, that kick a..es of many dudes, armor or no! So even if they're nude, they fight against tank and win!!!

EVERYBODY HEIL FOR THE HERJANN!!!

Cute Wolf
05-17-2009, 19:34
And you know what's doom for those naked men?

A simple archer / slinger

:laugh4: BTW, they are still better than Getai anyway, especially when AI use them...

Duguntz
05-17-2009, 19:50
That's so true! one single sligner with a bit of experience could make those naked speramen to rout! lol! what is a sligner for a naked man? a catapult for a tent! :laugh4: i can imagine an army of those defeating a roman legion and the day after comming back to the camp, decimated...

General : What happened, I tought you crushed the legion yesterday. EXPLAIN YOURSELF CAPTAIN :furious3:

Cap. : Euh, my lord, how could we stand against those devils, they had at least 10, maybe even 15 archers :sweatdrop: it huuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrts!!! :laugh4:

Cute Wolf
05-17-2009, 20:06
simple:
Chevrons didn't improve armour, they do improve attack, and MELEE defence...

so your story will be true... :laugh4:

Celtic slingers and some (even unchevroned) celtic shortswordsmen will make a short work against tons of 9 chevroned wothiz watha!

(The only naked unit that is impervious to missile is Gaesatae!):laugh4:

A Terribly Harmful Name
05-17-2009, 20:11
I would rather be a barbarian. The privilege of taking individual baths in a Celtic house with decent soap is by far better than doing it in public with olive oil, as the Romani and Hellenes did. Maybe it's just me.

And remember the strenght of the Sweboz lies in their line units, which are far better than the Celtic ones.

Duguntz
05-17-2009, 20:17
Simple strategy... I place my gen. in front of the other (when against archer) so they aborb most of the arows, and then the wotiz proves to themself how big is their b....ls and rush in the melee... (trying not to give themself to the javelin...) playing sweboz, you must place yourself the CLOSEST as possible frm the ennemy, no time for that skirmishing stuff... not when your men are nude!

And it's quiet realistic for the short swrd men... I mean, a long swrrd, you see it from far and block it with a lil skill... but a shortswrd is fast under the shield and cutting the :juggle2:... well, i'll stop there it's hurt too much!

athanaric
05-17-2009, 20:40
And remember the strenght of the Sweboz lies in their line units, which are far better than the Celtic ones.

Good point. The Celtic factions, although they have some very nice elites, don't really have good spearmen that can be entrusted with holding the main line. Gaeroas are more skirmishers and flankers than lineholders; Uirodosios have high morale but no armour, which is an obvious detriment. Dugunthiz and, even more so, their regional counterparts or the Speudogordoz, are better for such a job.

Duguntz
05-17-2009, 20:50
that's a good point, true, but celtic also have (maybe only one) but also good line holder and it's the Caturidge (wich, even as Sweboz, I'm using extensively with their charge 10) and they even (rarely but still) gave a bad time to my duguntiz and duguntiz xatiska... Still, in comparaison, Sweboz got better lineholder, but no elite at all... so when we're confronted to such a foe who like to line up elites after elites, we have no choice than to compensate with number and as much impressive units (''fear'') as we can... I remarked (I know, I remarked late) but fear is actually not to be underestimated... since I use it more, I got twice less problem with much more heavy armed opponent, and after the rout, it's the massacre :smash: !!! NO MERCY! :whip:

ziegenpeter
05-17-2009, 21:44
Swêboz. I like their units most, for design reasons as well as for the badass factor (not to forget their funny names).

What in your opinion gives their name a notion of comic?

Gabeed
05-17-2009, 21:45
When it comes to barbarians, I'm a Casse man. Chariots ftw.

Maion Maroneios
05-18-2009, 14:00
I would rather be a barbarian. The privilege of taking individual baths in a Celtic house with decent soap is by far better than doing it in public with olive oil, as the Romani and Hellenes did. Maybe it's just me.

And remember the strenght of the Sweboz lies in their line units, which are far better than the Celtic ones.
I'm afraid you're wrong here. Soaps were in a very primitive form, made from fat and salts. Mostly fat, that is. It probably smelled bad too, or not at all. Plus, it would have been bad for your skin. Soaps that are actually good for you, now those haven't been around since about 100 years if I'm not mistaken.

The Hellenes used olive oil when excercising. It's wrong to say they used it in their everyday lives. Oil is not something you want rubbed on your skin all day, believe me. And the only way to effeciently get it off of you is with a good bath and soap. I know it for one :clown: Don't ask me why I did it though :smash:

Hellenes and Romaioi had baths and saunas (steam baths). They had scented oils, and various perfumes as well. They also had many plant-based incredients that they used on their skins for various reasons, including body health. So I hope this whole "Celts were much cleaner than Romans and Hellenes because they used bloody soap instead of olive oil" thing dies out, because honestly its kind of becoming stupid and annoying to hear. Just like the Hellenes being gay, or Megals Alexandros being a FYROMian. OK maybe not that bad, but you get my point.

Maion

ziegenpeter
05-18-2009, 15:02
Ahh nevertheless. Once the oil is on your skin you have to rubb sand on it and then scratch it off. Nothing I would like to do.

athanaric
05-18-2009, 16:28
What in your opinion gives their name a notion of comic?

"Funny" as in "strange".

ziegenpeter
05-18-2009, 16:51
"Funny" as in "strange".
:clown:
Assuming your sig, your danish and you speak german. So their names should be the least strange to you...?
Guessing that skudjunez means "Schütze" in german is much easier (for me) than guessing the meaning of "Ayrudzi Netadzik" (Armenian Horse-Archers)

Maion Maroneios
05-18-2009, 16:55
Ahh nevertheless. Once the oil is on your skin you have to rubb sand on it and then scratch it off. Nothing I would like to do.
Actually, they did that because of the sand. The Hellenes liked to play all kinds of sports in local gymnasia and palestrai (wrestling grounds), which was usually nothing more than a flat surface covered with sand/dirt. As you can imagine, this caused them to get dirty and full of sand. Rubbing oil on one's body has practical benefits (enemy can't grab you that easily), as well as aesthetical (body lines and ripples are toned, plus a shiny skin is always nice to see). Scrapping the sand&sand/dirt mixture off their bodies was then done with a stleggis (as the tool used to scrap the oil off was called) after they were dome exercising.

Maion

athanaric
05-18-2009, 17:05
:clown:
Assuming your sig, your danish and you speak german. So their names should be the least strange to you...?
Guessing that skudjunez means "Schütze" in german is much easier (for me) than guessing the meaning of "Ayrudzi Netadzik" (Armenian Horse-Archers)

Actually I'm not really Danish, I just love the country and its inhavitants.When things get really anal in Germany, I'll move to Denmark
Skuðjonez is easy enough to understand, but what about "Xosenthozez Xazdadoi"?:dizzy2:

ziegenpeter
05-18-2009, 18:03
When things get really anal in Germany, I'll move to Denmark

You mean if Stoiber had won the election in 02 you'd be living in Denmark right now? :laugh4:
I would love leave germany too for scandinavia, but rather sweden or iceland.
Not forever of course. People from CCAA are bound to their city :2thumbsup:
sorry for this OT


When things get really anal in Germany, I'll move to Denmark
Skuðjonez is easy enough to understand, but what about "Xosenthozez Xazdadoi"?:dizzy2:
Its true, the new names from Blitzkrieg are much harder to understand than the 1.1 units.
The old ones where easy to guess if you had some experience in old high german.

EDIT: this is post 250. Congrats to myself!

HunGeneral
05-18-2009, 18:18
Well I'm not really a barbarian fan or a veteran but I have started an Arvernia and a Sweboz campaign without going far (letting them rest till I get used to them more).

I however have my impressions with some barbarian units and the factions in General... (if you fight them you need to know them:yes:).

Casse: I never really liked britons but I will try them during the summer (Isolation on an Island sounds nice). What really disturbs me is that they have chariot bodyguards for there generals and I simply can't use chariots. They however have some nice troopers and can get quite safe once you have Britannia in your hands.

Arverni: (I prefer them over the Aedui). Like the most advanced celts they have a nice economy pluss good units (infantry and cavalry alike). The biggest problem of course is first to get rid of the Aedui and then unite Gaul and fight against many foes. One thing I especially like about them is that there reforms are not tied to any date:2thumbsup:

Sweboz: They are also capeable soldiers alhough they are a bit "backword" - the reforms should help this but that is quite late in the game. The thoughest I had with them so far was trying to unite the Germanic peoples - these eleutheroi have some of the most dangerous garisons in all of EB...:beam:

Getai: There position is mixed if you ask me. They have the rich hellens to the south who are divided but can give a fair fight, but they also have the Sauromatae to the east and we know how tough nomads can get. There units are among my favourites - as Makedon, and later even as Koinon Helennon, Arche Seleukeia and of course as any nomad I will make sure to get my hands on thoose Thracians before Heading further North...:yes::2thumbsup:

Macilrille
05-18-2009, 20:06
I am Danish, what??

Anyway, barbaroi...

Only ones I have tried are the Sweboz and only for 50 or so years. I guess it will be that or Bactria or makedonia when I have created Imperum Romanum or get fed up trying without allowing myself to blitz. I felt that their units were somewhat weak, but that is probably as I used them as a "Res Publica Romana Light". Used right and with fear-inducers, it should be funnier. Their economy sucks badly though. I wonder how the AI does so well with Suebi.

ziegenpeter
05-18-2009, 21:07
Their economy sucks badly though. I wonder how the AI does so well with Suebi.
cheats

A Terribly Harmful Name
05-19-2009, 00:51
I'm afraid you're wrong here. Soaps were in a very primitive form, made from fat and salts. Mostly fat, that is. It probably smelled bad too, or not at all. Plus, it would have been bad for your skin. Soaps that are actually good for you, now those haven't been around since about 100 years if I'm not mistaken.

The Hellenes used olive oil when excercising. It's wrong to say they used it in their everyday lives. Oil is not something you want rubbed on your skin all day, believe me. And the only way to effeciently get it off of you is with a good bath and soap. I know it for one :clown: Don't ask me why I did it though :smash:

Hellenes and Romaioi had baths and saunas (steam baths). They had scented oils, and various perfumes as well. They also had many plant-based incredients that they used on their skins for various reasons, including body health. So I hope this whole "Celts were much cleaner than Romans and Hellenes because they used bloody soap instead of olive oil" thing dies out, because honestly its kind of becoming stupid and annoying to hear. Just like the Hellenes being gay, or Megals Alexandros being a FYROMian. OK maybe not that bad, but you get my point.

Maion
Even the most rudimentary soaps had a clear purpose: either as medicine or as a cleaning thing. I don't care if it smells bad, as long as it takes the bad dirt out of my body. Celts, and other Northern Cultures, were also especially fond of vapour baths and using herbs and the like to improve odour; even the Vikings were a well washed culture, as stated in Saxon chronicles.

I think in a comparison between public and individual baths and soap vs. oil, the barbarian combination wins overall. We all know olive oil was never as good as soap, especially for disinfecting something. That's the reason we use still soap, only with a slightly different chemical composition.

Besides the reason I prefer individual baths is not only for privacy: communal bathtubs are not exactly a very clean thing, especially to lie naked in and share the water with a lot of people. You all know what I'm talking about.

Cambyses
05-19-2009, 01:01
I just got to say, the Sweboz arent underpowered, they just require different tactics to some other factions.

Cyclops
05-19-2009, 04:08
Barbarians are all fun.

My favourite is the getai. Nothing says "respect me" like a elite Rhomphaioi dicing everything in his path. They are in a reasonably tight spot: maybe not as jammed up at the start as the Aedui but eventually they face powerful foes at all points of the compass. They fight like hell, can stand up with their heavy spears and Orditon Agema, skirmish like hell with the original (and best) peltastai, they have some decent cav and a good palette of auxilliarys. I feel like I am setting western civilisation back a century every time I win a battle with these guys!

My next favourite is the Lusso's. For someone with an irrational dislike of Rome, it lets me be manipular without feeling dirty. As pointed out above they have plenty of metal and fight all day long. To me they are the coolest faction for ambushes as they hide everywhere and everybody has a javelin. They are like the Sweboz only richer, smarter and they don't die as quick. Also cleaner, nicer voices, better food.. (jk)

I am currently playing the Casse, and (aside form my inability to steer a chariot anything close to straight) they are a lot of fun. Great suite of units so little regional armies (true Casse, northern british, Belgae, Irish and now some Iberian tribesmen) under various generals make for variegated gameplay. The reforms really make a difference, as much as the Sweboz, and more IMHO than for the other Gauls, so there's a mid term goal for RP.

I do like the Sweboz, and it starts and ends with the FM BG's. I line up as many FM's as I can in every battle: these guys are generally crap admin (maybe because I rarely leave them in cities?) but by the gods they fight. I like them as much as the KH FM's, and the fact they have sword and spear makes me love them even more. I truly feel like I have a loyal bodyguard around me when I am on general cam facing spammed Romans swarming over the alps. COME AND GET SOME! The fact that every other unit bleeds like a haemophiliac makes the armoured BG's the true gold of the Sweboz. One of the great RP factions for me, I disband the entire army after each mini-campaign, or until I get the reforms.

I don't know why but the two gaul factions are less of a thrill for me: maybe its the twinned unit lists? Still a good ride, more so the Aedui (they feel more legit to me-thats about as coherent as I can be on the topic). As with the Casse the FM's are a delight, generally coming to the party as well rounded governors as well as generals. They really are jammed in tight, and need to fight and even perhaps blitz a little to establish a viable position early.

The downside for all these is I feel like I can't be civilised: urban wonders are routinely sacked (take that, Jupiter Best and Greatest!) and I never never wait out sieges: everything is taken by assault. Also I shed a lot of blood (especially as Gauls and Sweboz) by adopting grimly confrontational battle RPing. I can't see a Roman stack without yelling COME AND GET SOME!

kekailoa
05-19-2009, 04:35
I disagree with the point earlier that the Gauls have no line units. The spearmen that are given are not as top-notch as the Germanics, but the line Northern Gallic Swordsmen I find to be really decent, reliable heavy infantry that can go toe-to-toe with even Roman troops, and most of the time hold their own or better against German troopers.

They're not to expensive either, which makes them really valuable for a line troops. The Southern Gallic swordsmen are not as great, but great mercs for factions lacking in decent sword troops.

My favorite barbaroi.... Well, I like them all for certain reasons, but I guess to come out on top would have to be the Aedui. You can spread your empire around the world and still find Celts ready to recruit, plus, you have to love those beautiful Neitos. Seriously, as the Romans I had two of them in an army, with six units of imperial legions, and while the legions routed against massive Carthaginian numbers, the Neitos held strong and managed to pull off a victory in the end.

Maion Maroneios
05-19-2009, 10:33
Even the most rudimentary soaps had a clear purpose: either as medicine or as a cleaning thing. I don't care if it smells bad, as long as it takes the bad dirt out of my body. Celts, and other Northern Cultures, were also especially fond of vapour baths and using herbs and the like to improve odour; even the Vikings were a well washed culture, as stated in Saxon chronicles.

I think in a comparison between public and individual baths and soap vs. oil, the barbarian combination wins overall. We all know olive oil was never as good as soap, especially for disinfecting something. That's the reason we use still soap, only with a slightly different chemical composition.

Besides the reason I prefer individual baths is not only for privacy: communal bathtubs are not exactly a very clean thing, especially to lie naked in and share the water with a lot of people. You all know what I'm talking about.
I'm afraid you're wrong here, sir. Soaps used by Celts at that time had little to nothing to do with modern soaps. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Romans would have used it more extensively than baths/saunas. If you evenread what I've written, you'll see that the Hellenes and Romaioi used herbs and scented oils (not olive oil) as well, while oil was scrapped of with a stlengis when they excercised, not in their everyday lives. Imagine being oiled up all day, not very pleasant believe me.

While public baths were quite common in the Hellenic and Roman world, I believe you are not very informed of the structure of a bath complex. Especially later Roman models, had a large number of pumps, draining out the cold (and filthy) water, replenishing it with warm water. The philosophy of such a mechanism is the following: Warm water, meaning warm water molecules that vibrate more intensively than cold ones, are the ones that remain on the upper layer of the water. Cold water, stays at the bottom. So if you have pumps underneath a bath, you can slowly drain out the cold layer, while at the same time you add an equal amount of warm water. This way, you have a continuously warm bath.

Now as far as I know, only the wealthiest Celts had their own warm baths. Most of the people (including the poorer Hellenes and Romaioi), would probably have bathed in rovers/lakes or some public places were some amount of water was gathered.

Maion

ziegenpeter
05-19-2009, 11:47
Whats cool about the Gatai is, they proximity to Cordinau Orca territory ;)
How can I alter the Casse FM Bodyguards to Calwre or Rycalawre*? chariots are IMO too weak. Or how can I make them a little more reliant, they die like flies. OK on the other hand, properly used, they are awesome dmg dealers, but this can be tweaked as well, so they are less "extreme".

*Or would you rather pick cav like Remi Mairepos?

Vilkku92
05-19-2009, 17:53
Gauls actualy have some good early line infantry. Yes, gaeroas and botroas aren't as good as their german counterparts, but can still hold the line on their own, if required. Bataroas do the job very well, and then there are belgae, caturidges and other regionals. Add cavalry and some supporting troops to see your numerous enemies fall. Assuming you have enough money, of course.

However, Swebos have better spear- and swordsmen, more space between their enemies and themselves, very good position to get regionals, better morale and are closer to Finland. Lack of armour isn't that bad, just cry "CHARGE!" if you're being shot.