What suggested faction should be in EBII

[Alsatia]

As I got the the completely useless award:shame: for my last thread, here is something for everyone to talk about. What suggested faction/s should be in EBII? There are only 10 slots so go debating. If I missed anything, I am so sorry.

[Cute Wolf]

Finally, a really useful thread... here's a baloon ...:balloon2:

[bobbin]

I shoud mention that a Nubian faction has been ruled out by the team due to culture limit issues, don't think they were too keen on a Mauryan satrap either.

[artaxerxes]

Voted for Syracuse, Bosporans and Numidia. But really, Syracuse is the only one I really really really really really want. Bosporans would be fun too (especially if there are more barbarians up there so they don't go making a baltic empire), while Numidia is needed to spice things up for Carthage.

But would have voted thrice for Syracuse alone, could I have done so ;) it's the only one I seriously care about. Except for that, EB is so perfect, I have a hard time imagining whatever the team might possibly do with the remaining slots???:2thumbsup:

[Reno Melitensis]

Voted for Syracuse, Bosphorian Kingdom and the Boii. An other gallic faction like the Boii will give the Getai and Sweboz a challenge. I think with the Belgae, Gaul will be over crowded.

Cheers.

[Alsatia]

Belgae will probably be a buffer faction between those gallic tribes and sweboz.

A crowded gaul and germany would be feasible because that was what they were, a bunch of disunited tribes and confederacies trying to kill each other and stab each other in the back (according to the Romans) until Caesar's Conquest and Vercingetorix' rebellion.

I paticularly like the idea of Syrakousai. Kyrene won't be such a bad thing as well really.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Bastarnae: empty area, with the flavour of a Thraco-German faction. Not a very popular choice nevertheless, people all seem to favour yet another Hellenic faction :(.

[Ibrahim]

Voted for Syracuse, Bosporans and Numidia. But really, Syracuse is the only one I really really really really really want. Bosporans would be fun too (especially if there are more barbarians up there so they don't go making a baltic empire), while Numidia is needed to spice things up for Carthage.

But would have voted thrice for Syracuse alone, could I have done so ;) it's the only one I seriously care about. Except for that, EB is so perfect, I have a hard time imagining whatever the team might possibly do with the remaining slots???:2thumbsup:

same, but added nabataea.:juggle2:

[J.R.M]

I voted:
Syracuse: interesting how it will develope against romans and carthies

Belgae: oh!! i just want more bloody war in gaul, and to see my sweboz armies crushing more enemies.:viking:

Numidia: would be interesting to see those carthies with some trouble at the begining :duel:

[Alsatia]

Wow. Everyone seems to favour The Belgae, Syrakousai, the Bosporian Kingdom, Celtibera and the Boii.



The winners????

[artaxerxes]

It seems there's a great deal of coherence here. Most people seem (to my enjoyment) to agree that Syracuse, Numidia, Boii and Belgae are perhaps the most needed, to spice things up in their respective areas, and then there are fx the Bosporans, whom we all think it could be fun to try. But I don't think you should count on finding a winner. We don't rule the EB team (or I'd have bloody well forced the Syracusans on them already:laugh4::smash:) so it's just gonna be fun to see this thread in a while, when even more have voted:2thumbsup: but great idea for a thread really, this should have replaced the 'which factions do you want in EB'-thread long ago:beam:

[Alsatia]

Well, the winners of the poll will probably be unknown because the poll is indefinite. I know that this thread will do little to change the team's minds but it is good to know what people really want.

[Zett]

I want to see Massalia. I always loved the combination out of greek and celts. Also it would slow down the Romani and Lusotanna expansion if KI controlled. Massaliotai Hoplitai:beam:.

Syracousai would be fine too, but afaik there are still problems with sources about their military, which units they used and so on. Make a mix out of Greek Hoplites and Liby-Phoenician units won't do it in my opinion.

A Bosphorian Kingdom, same as Massalia, mixed factions are always fun to play. Thureopherontes Toxotai (Bosphoran Heavy Archers) have I to say something else? A problem is perhaps a too ahistorical expansion into the steppes.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Alsatia]

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

I'm seeing that everywhere. Can someone tell me what this means?

Anyone know any possible factions that are not on the poll??

[Zett]

I'm seeing that everywhere. Can someone tell me what this means?

Everywhere? I thought it is just me who continuously wrote this quotation.:clown:

It means "Furthermore, I think Rome must be destroyed" and is a modification of Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delednam, a quotation of Cato the Elder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceterum_censeo). He said it after every speech, even if Carthage wasn't the topic. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[Moros]

same, but added nabataea.:juggle2:
Finally some love for the Arabian peninsula. A place often forgotten when it comes to history especially in pre-islamic times. Even though it's one of the places with the oldest settlements and a place with very interesting people, art, technology... Sad that it's usually only mesopotamia, egypt, India, China and the classicworld that get all the attention. :(

And the nabatae wouldn't be such a bad choice imo, though I'm not sure if they'd have a decent army especially at the beginning of the game and if they would be able to fend of the superpowers that neighbour it, with a single province and such a probably very light army.

[HunGeneral]

Voted:

Bosporian Kingdom - an interresting Faction I would like to see.

Bastarnae: more flavour in there area, better then rebels.

Belgae, Marcomanni - more confusion in Gaul and Germania would be nice since thats how they were...

Other: another Nomad faction, you can't get enough of em:laugh4: (i hear there is one in development already:beam:)

[Ibrahim]

Finally some love for the Arabian peninsula. A place often forgotten when it comes to history especially in pre-islamic times. Even though it's one of the places with the oldest settlements and a place with very interesting people, art, technology... Sad that it's usually only mesopotamia, egypt, India, China and the classicworld that get all the attention. :(

And the nabatae wouldn't be such a bad choice imo, though I'm not sure if they'd have a decent army especially at the beginning of the game and if they would be able to fend of the superpowers that neighbour it, with a single province and such a probably very light army.

well, they chouldn't have too much trouble defending themselves...all they needed to historically was let an enemy march through their territoy, get sunburnt/dehydrated, let them catch al-ramad* from the desert, and then fall on them with hordes of archers, spearmen, and light cavalry...

their equipment I imagine was simple but effective, based on what was found furthur to the south.

besides, even if defensibility wasn't a consideration, I'll sill vote any arabian faction, for certain..ethnic reasons.:clown:


*its basically a disease that causes a really nasty version of pinkeye-can even blind people. still common in Morocco.

[Celtic_Punk]

what about Pergamon? or the second largest Germanic tribe. I always felt that Germanics seem a bit lonely up there in the freezing winters of B-F nowhere.

[Alsatia]

Pergamon is Confirmed to be in EBII, so that has not been included.

I don't know what the second largest tribe in germania is though. The Baltic is preety empty....

[Krusader]

I want to see Massalia. I always loved the combination out of greek and celts. Also it would slow down the Romani and Lusotanna expansion if KI controlled. Massaliotai Hoplitai:beam:.

Syracousai would be fine too, but afaik there are still problems with sources about their military, which units they used and so on. Make a mix out of Greek Hoplites and Liby-Phoenician units won't do it in my opinion.

A Bosphorian Kingdom, same as Massalia, mixed factions are always fun to play. Thureopherontes Toxotai (Bosphoran Heavy Archers) have I to say something else? A problem is perhaps a too ahistorical expansion into the steppes.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

Massilia. That's almost like picking Andorra for a WW2 game over Finland, Hungary or Romania.

[Celtic_Punk]

Andorra?
:beam:

[Andy1984]

I really like the idea of a North-African nomad faction, but I doubt it is possible to implement such a faction due to cultural limits. Other than that, I'd go for a Pergamum, Syracuse, Yuezhi (I know, they probably won't make it) and perhaps a faction like Rhodos-Halicarnassos to spice things up in Asia Minor. I have to admit I don't know whether there is any historical ground to implement the latter faction.

I'm not against Belgae either, but they don't rank high on my wish-to-see list.

[Mediolanicus]

A Belgae tribe would be interesting (you could for a fully Celtic one like the Remi or Bellovaci, but you could also pick a Germano-Celtic one like the Nervii or Menapii - and that last option is a very interesting one IMO).

[Bucefalo]

Turdetani, Edetani or Ilergetes? I feel no coastal iberian faction will make it... :no:
oh well there is always the lusitanni or the possibility of some celtiberian tribe

Let pray Syracuse is in at least :2thumbsup:

[Mediolanicus]

Turdetani, Edetani or Ilergetes? I feel no coastal iberian faction will make it... :no:
oh well there is always the lusitanni or the possibility of some celtiberian tribe

Let pray Syracuse is in at least :2thumbsup:

Hmm, I'd put my money on an Iberian tribe as a faction, rather than on a Celtiberian one.

[Marcus Ulpius]

I'd like to see:

1) Celtiberians (so that the Lusos won't create their super-empire so easily).
2) Belgae (to spice the things up a little bit in Gaul)
3) Marcomanni or Boii (so that eastern Europe won't be such an empty space)
4) Syracusai (sp)

Also, it would be nice to see Numidians, to make things more difficult for Carthaginians in Africa. Mauryan satrap is an interesting idea, but I doubt it will make its way into the game.

[Xtiaan72]

Syracuse all the way. If not I think the territory should be given to the Greeks to make it tougher to take!

Belgae would be cool as well, that part of the world should be really chaotic...Also they historically had some naval focus. Be nice to have a faction that contested British isles.

[AttilaDerHunn]

really for Syracuse to work efficiently Sicily must be expanded to say 6 settlements or more to represent how important that region is for all the factions involved and to increase the projected yield per say

[DionCaesar]

I think Celtiberia is a very nice faction, because it's an outstanding addition to north eastern Spain. This way, Lusotania won't be OP, and, if you play Romans or Gauls or even Karthadastim you can count on some difficulties in obtaining that area. Besides, the Celtiberian culture was rather advanced in for example weapons. Those weapons were copied by other civs and used all over the European continent.

[A Very Super Market]

Everyone should really read the other threads in the forum about certain factions being put into place. Simply posting a poll, or responding with quiet one-sentence agreements will not convince anybody.

[APX]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?:inquisitive:

[Ibrahim]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?:inquisitive:

more fun on Sicily I guess.. :shrug:

[Tanit]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?:inquisitive:

Since you asked, I will pardon your ignorance.:beam:

Syracuse was one of the largest and most impressive Greek cities of this era. It was on the list of the most impressive Greek cities together with Pergamon and Alexandria. Just prior to the EB time frame Syracuse controlled colonies and territories in southern Italy, Illyria, Cyrene and on a number of islands. Italy withstood multiple Carthaginian invasions over a long period of time while the two wars between Rome and Carthage nearly destroyed Rome. Agathocles even invaded North Africa and threatened to conquer Carthage had his African allies not switched sides. Syracuse regularly controlled 2/3 of Italy and only recently lost control of their Northern territories to the Mammertines. Syracuse was a center of learning and culture with a number of impressive monumental structures including fortresses and temples. It was the home of one of history's greatest minds, Archimedes (who is 15 in 272 btw). Syracuse was capable of operating under a number of different governments from its typical oligarchy to a tyranny or a kingdom as occurred under Hiero, who was himself under the patronage of Pyrrhus, having been one of his generals. Syracuse's assistance in the first Punic war was what assured Roman victory as several times the Carthaginians came close to victory by disrupting Roman supply lines only for Syracuse to step in with supplies and troops. Syracuse was the home of the invention of the Gastraphetes and other siege weapons which lead to a dynamic evolution of siege warfare in the mediterranean. Although the current EB1 Greek cultures are west Greek and East Greek, this is inaccurate as the western Greeks were really the colonies west of Greece, of which Syracuse is the most powerful and influential in our time frame. Without the politics of Syracuse the Punic wars would not have started the way they did, and may not have ended the way they did.

[Cute Wolf]

At least... we can tell, what factions that most of the orgah's want to be in EB II..... this is why i say this thread is useful...

@APX
Syracuse was selected because most people wants it rise again... if you tell that's Syracuse getting crashed to the ground soon with Roman troops.... You should look Epeiros.... Pyrhhos historically dies in 272 BC, and kingdom of Epeiros was destroyed... sooner than Syracuse...

[Alsatia]

Pyrhhos dies in 272BC...


LOL. Historically, you can only have fun with him for 1 - 3 turns. :inquisitive:

[artaxerxes]

really for Syracuse to work efficiently Sicily must be expanded to say 6 settlements or more to represent how important that region is for all the factions involved and to increase the projected yield per say

I think it could work. Of course there are those games where either Carthage or Rome blitzes southern Italy/Sicily and in those, Syracuse would probably (if hostile to the blitzer) merely be another hindrance that's overcome with time. But I've had plenty of games where Rome and Carthage concentrate in other areas and I think Syracuse would work delightfully then. I don't really see the problem.

As for why we want them in
1) since they historically had made empires in Sicily before, and since the appearance of Rome/Carthage as the only masters of the Western Mediterranean ISNT necessarily a foregone conclusion at the start of an EB game, it should have the chance to maybe do so again

2) It would spice things up, so the Western Mediterranean isn't merely a 1-on-1, but, like most any other place in the game, has a few more pockets of surprise

3) They'd be fun to play:beam:

[Cute Wolf]

4-5 region is enough in sicily... just give Syrakousai an advanced mining facility

[Meneldil]

There's more than enough settlement in the area. I doubt Sicily will get more than 3 in any case. Permanent forts maybe, more settlement ? Nah.

[zurab]

Voted for Colkhis but there must me Caucasian Iberia instead. C.I. was a kingdom then. And Colchis partialy was a province of Pontus and partialy of Caucasian Iberia. Pontus's part of Colchis then to become Rome province, and only in 200-300 years Colkhis will establish a new independent Kingdom - Lazika or Egrisi

[bobbin]

Yeah i also voted for Colchis as Kartli wasn't there.

ps looks like we can take numdians off the list.

[Cyclops]

I would love the Mauryans in but I see its highly unlikely. Maybe they could be given Iberian culture (on the same premise that Saba and Lussotannan share regional MIC's) that there is very little potential cross-over. Anyway thats more of a whim on my part. I am super impressed with all the decuisons so far in EB2, I just can't wait to see the final slots filled.


... Syracuse regularly controlled 2/3 of Italy ...

I think you mean 2/3 of Sicly? Just a typo I guess. I can't diminish the force of your case, your argument is very sound and I reckon Syracuse is a strong proposal for a faction.

[Sabazios]

I would like a Cyrene faction, wich also includes Crete and maybe even a city on the Cyclade islands (Thera?).
:egypt::whip:

[lionhard]

Nubia - for a start because EB could use a new faction in that area, it would also add a much needed southernly located faction with different unit properties as seen before.

Bosporian Kingdom - This faction would have been added to EB1 if their was space, this has to feature full stop

Nabatea - Seems to have a historic foot step and would be a nice add to that area.

Numidia - Doesnt need to be explianed, more than enough space for this faction

[Mediolanicus]

1.Nubia - for a start because EB could use a new faction in that area, it would also add a much needed southernly located faction with different unit properties as seen before.

2.Bosporian Kingdom - This faction would have been added to EB1 if their was space, this has to feature full stop

3.Nabatea - Seems to have a historic foot step and would be a nice add to that area.

4.Numidia - Doesnt need to be explianed, more than enough space for this faction

1. Can't be done unless someone finds a way to open up more culture slots.

2. Agreed.

3. I doubt the historical importance of Nabateia, but I'd like to see an extra faction in that area too.

4. It's already in EBII.

[lionhard]

Question for u, is their the same amount of factions in EB2 as EB1 or more?

[Foot]

Question for u, is their the same amount of factions in EB2 as EB1 or more?

As stated in the FAQ and numerous threads, MTW2 offers us 10 new faction slots in addition to the 20 that we have in EBI. EBII will thus have 30 playable factions, the majority of which will be the factions you know and love however. We aren't going to go and change all the factions from EBI, of course!

Foot

[Andronikos]

Nabatea - seems interesting, would make that area more crowded,
some Germanic tribe (voted for Boii despite being not Germanic) to make life tough for Sweboz,
Basternae to fill that area,
Belgae, but I would like to see them starting both on mainland and British isles.

[lionhard]

Its located above arabia where the sabeen are and you have to venture miles to reach sabeen on EB so i think their shud be plenty.

P.s the game is sounding better an better

[Alsatia]

Does anybody realise there is a huge eleutheroi gap between Dacia and Germany?

[bobbin]

Which would be filled excellently by the Boii or Lugii, and you'll note the Boii are a very popular choice for a new faction.

[Alsatia]

Which would be filled excellently by the Boii or Lugii, and you'll note the Boii are a very popular choice for a new faction.

........

Yep.

[Kara Mustafa]

Voted for:
Boii - one of the most powerful of celtic tribes, plus interesting starting position in central Europe
Celtiberi - hopefully Arevaci or some other tribe will make it to stop the insane Lusitani
Nabatea - already explained by many
Atropatene - not much place in the East leaves only a few possible candidates, among them I think this would be the best option
Nubia - just a wish I guess, would distract Ptolemies from becoming Yellow death once again

[Viking_Wårlord]

Another Germanic tribe would be great,I also voted for Judea (even if it wouldn't historically cope....) because I think Jews are UNDER-REPRESENTED in games!

[Mediolanicus]

I think Jews are UNDER-REPRESENTED in games!

They were a backwater people at that time like so many other people not really represented in EB - though they did have slightly odd view on religion for the time. They even have their own unit and in that respect I would say they are OVER-REPRESENTED, since jews were not put in seperate units.

[Viking_Wårlord]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

[Alsatia]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.


Sorry, to bug in but, You can play the Kingdom of Israel in Empire Earth. (Btw, it's too old and ..... let's just say graphically impaired)

[Hax]

Over-represented?

Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

Nonsense. The Kingdom of Israel was dead by 272 BC, their lands taken by the Babylonians, the Persians and the Macedonians after that. The Maccabean rebellion just secured their own city and some of the land near it, they didn't have the means to go conquer other lands, not to mention this happened in 164 BC, more than a hundred years after EB's starting date.




Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?

The answer is definitly NO.

No, but there haven't been any RTS games concerning Germans fighting eachother, about the numerous steppe clans, about the Axumites, about the southern Arabian tribes (which had a much greater influence on the trade in Europe than the Israelites had).




Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history.

Saying this is like saying that we should include a Buddhist faction in India, y'know, just because they had an influence on religion. Oh, and Christianity wasn't a major contender in the Mediterranean until about 250/300 AD. And Islam? 300 years later.

Or are you stating we should include a faction hundred years before they had anything to say for themselves just because they had an influence on religions (which are badly represented in RTW/M2TW anyways) that weren't really important until 300 years after the ending date of the game (which very people have actually reached)?

[IrishHitman]

18 votes for Judea?

Where are the 18 votes for an Irish faction?!
The geographical span would be wider than Judea.

I think modern politics are getting too involved if 18 people decided that a near-irrelevent state with a tiny geographical span would be given a faction. Their region(s) should be given a higher rebellion/unrest rate, that's about it in terms of historical importance for the time period EB is in.

My votes went to the Belgae (to balance the German hordes and the Aedui/Arverni), and Celtiberia (to better reflect the troubled nature of the Iberian peninsula)...

[Mediolanicus]

Over-represented?


Certainly not Under. Though maybe the importance of the Temple could be improved in EB.


Has an RTS game ever been made about the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel?


Not that I know off. And though I would like to play one, not in EB since it plays in a completely different time.


Moreover,their 'odd' conception of religion at the time made for the Christian and Islamic religions......
This is why they are quite important,a game without them is a game which has missed a MAJOR part of history

Judaïsm is very important historically. But their importance in 272BC - 14AD was the same as any small culture on the EB-map, except for that one heretic that born then and became equally historically important.

[Zett]

Here are some interesting links about Israels History. Viking_Wårlord, I think you will notice, that what the others had already said is true, there was no Kingdom of Israel or something like that, after they had been defeated by the Babylonians. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/History/Facts%20About%20Israel-%20History
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/History/HISTORY-%20The%20Second%20Temple

[Moros]

How many games have you seen representing the Sabaeans? I think EB was the first to do it. How many games have you played which featured the lusotanann? And there are more of these examples. But what does that matter? The Judeans weren't independant until about 160 BC, most people don't even play that far. Their military wasn't much to look at at first either (this would change and would make them another hellenistic like faction). They never played a major role when it comes to international conflicts or politics. Economically they weren't anything special either. They were nothing more but yet another funny but mostly unkown people who simply had a rather distinctive religion.

I do not think there wouldn't be enough sources. Josephus tells alot and archeologcial findings like in Masada tells us quite a bit on their military. The rest doesn't seem to be a problem either. Except the justification, as it has almost no decent arguments pro yet many contra.

[Smeel]

Like everybode else said, a judean faction just isn't justified against some other factions, or even most factions. :book: Just script it that if you pillage the temple the population go nuts?:wall:

I voted Massilia, Bosphoran Kingdom, Syrakousai, Boii and Colchis. And Cimbri.

[Fabio Scevola]

My votes were to:
Bosphoran Kingdom, Syrakousai, Boii, Belgae, Celtiberian faction( not as a culture/subculture faction but tribe or group of tribes of celtiberian culture), Numidia (already previewed) and The Maruyan Satrapy.
Same reason other people had said for all except the Indian Faction.
Maybe no so strong case about culture slot issue and representation of the Maruyan kingdom (no space to the right) but maybe the satrapy colud be treated as a semi-independent region (if it was the case historically, don't know to much about that part of the map in that age) and if destroyed or in bad shape a reinforce/imperial Maruyan army could come in recapture/help mision or missions, just think this aproach in more acurate than the actual implementation in EB1.

[Andy1984]

I predict a Baltic faction to be found in EB2. :clown: Somehow it makes sense to me. In EB1.2 there are already some Baltic units, while a Baltic faction could keep Sweboz in check. They would make both the Sweboz and perhaps in a later stage even the Sauromatae a much bigger challenge. Right now, I feel the Sweboz sitting in the midst of rebel territory and not being attacked by other factions for the first 20-30 years is quite unrealistic.

[Leão magno]

Since I love Punic wars, I voted for Syracuse (the must have one for greeks, Epirotes and Punic wars) e and Numidia (the second already confirmed by EB team - though I would vote fo a second one), The Celtiberians and some other Iberian faction. Kyrene would be a good call too.

[Alsatia]

I predict a Baltic faction to be found in EB2. :clown: Somehow it makes sense to me. In EB1.2 there are already some Baltic units, while a Baltic faction could keep Sweboz in check. They would make both the Sweboz and perhaps in a later stage even the Sauromatae a much bigger challenge. Right now, I feel the Sweboz sitting in the midst of rebel territory and not being attacked by other factions for the first 20-30 years is quite unrealistic.

Agreed.

[Tanit]

Since I love Punic wars, I voted for Syracuse (the must have one for greeks, Epirotes and Punic wars) e and Numidia (the second already confirmed by EB team - though I would vote fo a second one), The Celtiberians and some other Iberian faction. Kyrene would be a good call too.

Well if someone were to make Punic Wars mod you would see a lot of fascinating factions. On top of the Massylians in Africa you would see the Massaesylians, the Maures, and the Garamantines. In Sicily there would be Syracuse and the Mammertines. In Northern Spain and Southern France there would be Massalia with its colony of Emporion. Not to mention all of the Iberian factions.

[lionhard]

Another spanish faction would be good, lustaonna seems to spread like wild fire as the campaign proceeds in EB1

[Phalanx300]

I predict a Baltic faction to be found in EB2. :clown: Somehow it makes sense to me. In EB1.2 there are already some Baltic units, while a Baltic faction could keep Sweboz in check. They would make both the Sweboz and perhaps in a later stage even the Sauromatae a much bigger challenge. Right now, I feel the Sweboz sitting in the midst of rebel territory and not being attacked by other factions for the first 20-30 years is quite unrealistic.

I really hope so, that area is screaming for a faction because of its emptyness. The only problem is that we don't know alot about them since no one wrote down their history and big battle which happned. Though they would make for a nice and unique faction with enough chances. So yes to a Baltic one! :2thumbsup:

[a completely inoffensive name]

I voted for all of them because under ideal conditions each should have their own place, no matter how small and insignificant they may seem.

[Cute Wolf]

Just wonder... what's trapodos?

[Cyclops]

Just wonder... what's trapodos?

Google gives nothing to my unrefined searches. Trapezus perhaps?

[Watchman]

That's more or less where Pontos sits already, or will sit in rather short order anyway, though ?

[bobbin]

Yeah I think it was supposed to be Trapezous. Kind of a odd inclusion, it certainly wouldn't be on my list of possible factions.

[penguinking]

I predict a Baltic faction to be found in EB2. :clown: Somehow it makes sense to me. In EB1.2 there are already some Baltic units, while a Baltic faction could keep Sweboz in check. They would make both the Sweboz and perhaps in a later stage even the Sauromatae a much bigger challenge. Right now, I feel the Sweboz sitting in the midst of rebel territory and not being attacked by other factions for the first 20-30 years is quite unrealistic.

While the gameplay arguments for a Baltic faction are good, it's highly unlikely because there is almost no historical evidence for that area during this time period. The Boii are a more likely choice for balancing the Sweboz.

[Morte66]

The Bosporian Kingdom. I've "played" them in EB1 by migrating the KH to Pantikapaion in year 1 using console codes and bribery whilst abandoning their starting provinces. They were a hell of a lot of fun.

The hoplites and (horse) archers military was refreshingly different from the other miltaries. Their position and mix of enemies is also interesting -- you can end up fighting Sauromata, Getae, Hai, Sweboz, and Pontos/Seleucia if you cross the water.

For people who want to play EB2, rather than <grin>pontificating on the forums</grin> about map balancing or historical importance, this should be a really good faction.

[Fluvius Camillus]

WHERE ARE THE BATAVIANS I WANT TO REPRESENT HOLLAND!!!:wall::wall::wall:

Now for the controlled part~D

I voted:

1. Marcomanni - can fill the power vacuüm in central Europe and another independent tribe.

2. Bosphoran Kingdom - Great culture mix and starting position.

3. Syrakousai - Quite an important city, challenging starting position, posessed Archimedes.

4. Nubia - I always loved Nile campaigns, sadly the numerous Ptoly fullstacks made me change my mind, perhaps this help me to like it again.

~Fluvius

[antisocialmunky]

4. Nubia - I always loved Nile campaigns, sadly the numerous Ptoly fullstacks made me change my mind, perhaps this help me to like it again.

~Fluvius


Poor Saba needs another faction to beat on it?

[Moros]

Poor Saba needs another faction to beat on it?

Actually Saba don't do so badly at all. They usually conquer and hold on to the whole of Arabia. Which is much more than they did historically. And sometimes they can even hold on to a couple big cities like damascus or Antioch.

[Cyclops]

So if I am following the updates correctly there is 10 slots, with 2 filled by Pergi and the Numidians.

Now there was a hint about a Nomad faction which I am assuming is Numidia and was there a hint of another occultis Hellenistic faction? So we have 8 slots left, one of which is probably another Greek faction (and I'd put the Acropolis on it being Syracuse).

My guess would be we'll see some more holes filled, eg the Mittel Europa gap (1 or 2) the steppe vacuum (1), and maybe some balancing in Spain (1 or 2). Remember this is Europa Barbarorum.

Round out with a Caucasian/iranian crossover in Iberia or Atropatene and we have one slot left for my beloved Mauryan satraps with their lovely elephant generals (and culture limit problems solved..somehow..please).


... the numerous Ptoly fullstacks ...

That would be an awesome alt-rock band.

Alternately an EB period NBA franchise based in Alexandria, to go up against the Seleucea Grey Deaths and the Arretium Spammed Triarii.

[bobbin]

Don't know if another hellenistic/greek faction has been hinted at, all we've got is a occultus Thureophoroi skin but that doesn't mean squat as everyone can recruit them.

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

[antisocialmunky]

I suspect that the second Occultus Greek unit set belongs to a hellenic bosphoran kingdom or something.

[Bucefalo]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

Maybe it is a subliminal message, he shows the occultus faction disguised as green parthians... so either the occultus faction are Yuehzi (who where green in EB I) or i´m seeing things:beam:

EB members are really unpredictable indeeed, you never know to what they´re up to

[Tellos Athenaios]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.

[Moros]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?:tongue2:

Never!

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.
Ah, I wondered myself...

Really sad that the Iranians have to live under such an idiotic system. But anyway, no politics in this thread, but green looks better than pink anyway...

[bobbin]

Can't say much for the system in my country right now but it doesn't really compare. Here they just steal money not votes.



Never!
Thats the spirit!:laugh4:

[Phalanx300]

WHERE ARE THE BATAVIANS I WANT TO REPRESENT HOLLAND!!!:wall::wall::wall:

Hell yeah! :2thumbsup: Though the best representation right now is the Chatii, since we Dutch are for the biggest part Frankish people they fit the bill best (even with Batavians in probably).

[Ibrahim]

bah! I don't care about the a3ajim, I just want more homies*.:clown:


*arabianz!!

[Alsatia]

I'm probably guessing Occultus is a faction to match the Casse in britain or the belgae. I could make out the three spinning things on it.


Can't say much for the system in my country right now but it doesn't really compare. Here they just steal money not votes.

Where my parents came from, they stole votes with money and scoffed up all the government's coffers.....

[Moros]

bah! I don't care about the a3ajim, I just want more homies*.:clown:


*arabianz!!
Well if it can be of any comfort, the sabaeans will be in with a larger unit rooster . And also Arabia will have many regionals as well, as we at least have to represent the different people living there better, both nomads and settled.

[Hax]

Well if it can be of any comfort, the sabaeans will be in with a larger unit rooster .

A larger unit rooster you say? Gallus Gallus Extraordinarii? Red Junglefowl Cavalry?

I like this support for Syrakousai as well :bow:

[Moros]

A larger unit rooster you say? Gallus Gallus Extraordinarii? Red Junglefowl Cavalry?

I like this support for Syrakousai as well :bow:
Ah no the Gigantus Gallus Gallus Arabicus. They are perhaps the largest birds ever to have walked the earth, and the ones with the worst temper too. The only thing that could stand in their path would be the 'what if' Bartix Gallus Gallus Deathraiophoroi'us.

[Alexandros_III]

No! I didnt know it was a multiple choice thread! I voted Judea, but I would have also said Syrakousai, Massilia, and the Bosporian Kingdom if I could.

[Satyros]

I voted for Syracuse , the Bosphorian Kingdom and the Belgae , but I would like to see another faction on the British isles too and another Germanic faction .

Just a question for the team however , though slightly off topic . Do you estimate/believe that there will be a problem with the number of unit slots since there will be a whole bunch of new factions ?

For example , is there a need to have two versions of some units in the game unit roster ( a normal and a mercenary one ) ?

Could the same unit slot easily belong to both " unit pools " ( but with a different upkeep cost ) ?

I know nothing of these mechanics but oversimplifying things I believe that the unit slots available are more than enough if the answer to the question in italics is "yes" .

And now for a really off topic question , I can't control myself I just want to know ; what do you intend to do with the "free upkeep" feature ?

There , I'm completely off topic , beat me to death , but tell me first .

Pretty please ?

heh

Satyros

[Ghaust the Moor]

I only voted for massailia, but I would have voted for more had I known it was a multiple choice quiz. I would have voted: Massalia, Boii, Bastarnea, Emporion, and other (Cause I want GOIDILS!!!!!!)

[Alexandros_III]

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

[Foot]

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

How, in any way, was Judea "truely important" during this period?

Foot

[Satyros]

I'd say that the "con" arguments were convincing enough not to include this faction .

Satyros

[Moros]

How, in any way, was Judea "truely important" during this period?

Foot

Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist more than half our time frame!

[Constantius III]

I'd vote for the Bosporans if only to see what the EB2 Team digs up for references for their history, cause I know they're better at finding that janx than I am. /me is a parasite :(

You should look Epeiros.... Pyrhhos historically dies in 272 BC, and kingdom of Epeiros was destroyed... sooner than Syracuse...
Actually, not only did the kingdom of Epeiros limp on for four more decades without Pyrrhos I, it formed a federal league with Akarnania and survived until the aftermath of the Third Mak War...honestly, it's like people don't even read the "Year in History" popups...:book:

Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist half more than half our time frame!
That's just what they expected you to think...:egypt:

[bovi]

Well it would be a very unique faction as in contrast to all others it wouldn't even exist more than half our time frame!
This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.

[Megas Methuselah]

I say the mod's just not complete without Judea. It is really the only one on the list that was truely important in any way. The others would just be need to have.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

ROFLMFAO R U SERIOUS??!

[Alsatia]

I'm afraid he is......

[a completely inoffensive name]

Way to go not commenting on Bovi's revealing post, you two.


This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.

Quick! Someone get me a political map of the world from ~129 BCE through ~14 CE!

[bobbin]

Don't think that was a hint, he was just correcting Moros's statement about Judea.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Oh, ****.

[Moros]

This isn't unique at all. Epeiros, for instance, didn't exist for even 10% of the timeframe. Even mighty Carthage was laid to waste well before half our timeframe is passed.

Now, if you had said "wouldn't even exist until half our time frame had passed" it would be accurate.
Yes, that's what I meant.

[Megas Methuselah]

Oh, ****.

:crowngrin:

[BJatNIGHT]

Voted for Bosporan Kingdom, Belgae and Trapados:beam:

[m046720]

What about a Galatian faction in modern day turkey area? There is a decent amount of history on it. I can dig some up. Tell what everyone thinks.

[Phalanx300]

I would like a Galatian faction as well, the point is that in the area there are now 4 factions and adding Galatia means 5 factions there.

And we have alot of areas on the map where there are none or just one faction.

Though Galatians would make for some great gameplay.:2thumbsup:

[a completely inoffensive name]

5 factions battling in Anatolia would be epic. I would love to invade as Rome and have an intelligent AI have the 5 factions unite to expel the Roman invaders with a combined army of hardened Galatians, elite phalanxes, swift chariots and armored cavalry against the best Romans I have to throw at them. If only.....

[Noddy The Beefy Egg]

As I got the the completely useless award:shame: for my last thread, here is something for everyone to talk about. What suggested faction/s should be in EBII? There are only 10 slots so go debating. If I missed anything, I am so sorry.

who is the trapodos?!?!?!?

[A Very Super Market]

Look it up.

Basically, a hellenic colony by the Black Sea, in Asia Minor. Trapezous is the name in-game.

[bobbin]

Think it's supposed to be the city Trapezous.

edit: nevermind

[Skullheadhq]

Woah 31 people voted Judea!

Remember Stele 1#?

Jewish faction:
We know people love the Jews (Oh really?)and would want a Maccabean faction. Here is the deal though. The Maccabeans revolted a century after the game start. They would be an emerging faction which is something EB has decided not to have. If we did, you could bet Yuezhi would be in. Another thing is that the Jews would only control Judea and the consensus from reading sources is that the Jews would most likely be happy just to have Judea and not try to subjugate other nations or peoples, at least not on the scale that is in Total War games. We might add some more unrest to Judea, although the Jews seemed to have lived well enough under the Seleukids (before Antiochos IV of course) & Ptolemies before, as they were granted royal charters recognizing their rights.

[Hax]

My little baby is still leading though <3

[Alsatia]

Woah 31 people voted Judea!

Remember Stele 1#?

Jewish faction:
We know people love the Jews (Oh really?)and would want a Maccabean faction. Here is the deal though. The Maccabeans revolted a century after the game start. They would be an emerging faction which is something EB has decided not to have. If we did, you could bet Yuezhi would be in. Another thing is that the Jews would only control Judea and the consensus from reading sources is that the Jews would most likely be happy just to have Judea and not try to subjugate other nations or peoples, at least not on the scale that is in Total War games. We might add some more unrest to Judea, although the Jews seemed to have lived well enough under the Seleukids (before Antiochos IV of course) & Ptolemies before, as they were granted royal charters recognizing their rights.

Probably we have a lot of jews here, stacking votes, and the ptolemaioi will not look the same of Judea belonged to.. well.... Judea.

Also, Kick the Belgae off the list, a occultus sig has been "uncovered". Martelus' sig has been found by Maion...

Don't mistake me for a jew, i'm not one.

EDIT: EPIC FAIL... :wall::wall::wall:

[Moros]

Probably we have a lot of jews here, stacking votes, and the ptolemaioi will not look the same of Judea belonged to.. well.... Judea.

Also, Kick the Belgae off the list, a occultus sig has been "uncovered". Martelus' sig has been found by Maion...

Don't mistake me for a jew, i'm not one.
:laugh4: silly fans :laugh4:

[Hax]

I guess we have to take our source of entertainment from somewhere. So how's the preview on Judea coming along?

[Moros]

I guess we have to take our source of entertainment from somewhere. So how's the preview on Judea coming along?
Fine we just finished the modelling of Herodian horse archers. But it's probably the Ekatontamachoi who'll steal the show. And it's very cool on how we'll represent the influence of the priest in the core mechanics. But I'll leave the details for the preview.:egypt:

[Hax]

Wait, so you did ditch the zealot fanatics? Agh, that's a shame, with their AP Candelabrum.

[Skullheadhq]

Jew Power FTW
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Jaws.jpg

[Ibrahim]

Jew Power FTW
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Jaws.jpg


I think some people here have EOWJS.:no:

[Ibrahim]

I see that the nabataean faction gets very little in the way of votes.

I also find it absurd how many people vote on factions that almost certainly won't be in EB2. I wonder how many actually read the FAQ's or faction manuals (the EB position towards factions). most mind bottling.

the fact that a staggering amount of people voted for the mauryan satrapy speaks volumes about popular demand, and its conflict with what EB most likely intends. this is not to say that I'm certain the maurya won't be in in any form, but unlikely.

[Skullheadhq]

I think some people here have EOWJS.:no:

EOWJS?
What's that?

[hekk]

Its hopeless to suggest the right factions when there were so many states and tribes around at that period.

I really hope for an Illyrian faction, as it is located between West and East Europe, so with such a location it would be fun a faction to play, because you could choose where to expand to. Also I believe one of the most largest Illyrian tribes were the Panonnians (who themselves were split in several tribes) and perhaps the most significant Panonnian tribe was the Segestani (A sort of Celto-Illyrian tribe) who built the city of Segestica (an important Illyrian Pre-Roman city) and fought back the Romans numerous of times.

Though there is a problem with an Illyrian faction and that is there that there is a lack with information about that region and at this period... but I still hope. :beam:

[Skullheadhq]

Its hopeless to suggest the right factions when there were so many states and tribes around at that period.

I really hope for an Illyrian faction, as it is located between West and East Europe, so with such a location it would be fun a faction to play, because you could choose where to expand to. Also I believe one of the most largest Illyrian tribes were the Panonnians (who themselves were split in several tribes) and perhaps the most significant Panonnian tribe was the Segestani (A sort of Celto-Illyrian tribe) who built the city of Segestica (an important Illyrian Pre-Roman city) and fought back the Romans numerous of times.

Though there is a problem with an Illyrian faction and that is there that there is a lack with information about that region and at this period... but I still hope. :beam:

Welcome to the .Org, Hekk
An Illyrian faction would be nice indeed, but then again, there is a little less known about them at that era. But if there would be info, there would still be 2 provinces in Illyria, which is a bit less, don't you think. And even if they would be in, they would be steamrolled by the Epirotai in 270 BC.
So I don't think it's that a good idea, but if they take one province from Ireland (or ditch the whole British Isles) the Illyrians could be in.

[Horatius Flaccus]

Pergamon only has one province, so I don't think that is a reason not to include them. Not much is known about them? Well same goes for the Saba or Casse, both are still included.

And Epeiros already has the Romans, Macedon and The Koinon Hellenon to worry about. Illyria could be a good faction if they find a way to include their (profitable) piracy.

[Meneldil]

the fact that a staggering amount of people voted for the mauryan satrapy speaks volumes about popular demand, and its conflict with what EB most likely intends. this is not to say that I'm certain the maurya won't be in in any form, but unlikely.

Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

[Horatius Flaccus]

But, as said numerous times, it can't be done due to the hardcoded cultures limit.

[Phalanx300]

Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

= Baktria, well except for the satrapy thing. And an Indian faction would add alot indeed! Yet many members have spoken against such an idea so I doubt whether it will be in.

Then again you make history after the start date so the future of such a satrapy could never be known gamewise.

[Ibrahim]

Honestly, an Hellenico-Indian satrapy on the far eastern fringe of the map would be badass. Probably one of the first faction I'd play.

maybe, but culture limits are a problem, and the EB policy that, where possible, have all the borders of an empire (steppe faction Saka are an exception). that and the fact that you need to make room in the EDU and DMB for the guard units, specialized elephant units, and later era units.

[bobbin]

I also find it absurd how many people vote on factions that almost certainly won't be in EB2. I wonder how many actually read the FAQ's or faction manuals (the EB position towards factions). most mind bottling.

Quite tempted to make a new poll without the definatley excluded factions, probably will.

[Atraphoenix]

If no one would dare, I will mod Colchis but I am very poor on modeling.
I hope team will leave a space for a faction that moders may add later.

[Alsatia]

If no one would dare, I will mod Colchis but I am very poor on modeling.
I hope team will leave a space for a faction that moders may add later.

Doubtful. I think the EB team may likely use up all the slots.