Recruiting dosidataskeli

[Paltmull]

How do you recruit these guys? I've checked the highest levels of both the factional and the regional MIC:s in both the AOR regions; and they still don't seem to be available. :/

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/lusotannan/lus_dosidataskeli.gif

[bobbin]

They were disabled for historical reasons. You can reenable them by editing the export_descr_buildings.txt file.

[Paltmull]

Oh, how do you do that? Delete the "hidden_resource not_here" thing?

Will the changes work with my current campaign or do I have to start a new one?

[Watchman]

Yes and compatible.

[Paltmull]

Great, thanks :)

[Aemilius Paulus]

Which other units are taken off EB, but not EDU? Those Goidilic hammer blokes, the Ebherni versions of Dosidataskeli and what else? I am probably due to try out some "barbarians" soon, so I need to knwo what I should enable before I start the game.

[bobbin]

I think thats all of them.

[Osteles]

Those guys look GOOD:

where are/were they availale and to whom?

[Aemilius Paulus]

I think thats all of them.
Hmm, I thought there were more disabled Goidilic units. Anyone?

[Watchman]

There was some kind of noble swordsman type in long scale coat, IIRC (model-shares with the Saba bodyguards).

[bobbin]

A bunch of them got renamed (and maybe reskinned, i can't remember) for 1.1. These are the other Goidilic units available.
Vellinica
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/british_isles/goidilic_daernaght.gif
Cladaca
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/british_isles/goidilic_laecha.gif
Cruvamendica
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/british_isles/rebel_goidilic_cavalry.gif
Eiras
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/british_isles/goidilic_infantry_deaisbard.gif
Think they are all available but maybe i made a alteration to the EDB I was checking and forgot about it.

ps the Vellinica looks very different for most factions, the pic I put up is the merc skin which i got off the EB website.

[athanaric]

Think they are all available but maybe i made a alteration to the EDB I was checking and forgot about it.

ps the Vellinica looks very different for most factions, the pic I put up is the merc skin which i got off the EB website.

Those four are still available officially. The Casse version of the Vellinica is yellow. AFAIK the hammermen and the Dubosaverlacica have been taken out of the EDB in the latest fixes, so you probably need to copy them back in from an earlier version.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Pssst, who are the Goidilic?

[DaciaJC]

A simple Google search turns up this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goidelic_language#Irish). Note the geographic distribution. That should give you a hint.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Ohhhhhh. I am gonna ask a stupid question. Why are so many of these units all gone or messed with? Where the irish going to be a faction at some point?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Pssst, who are the Goidilic?
Google anyone? use "Goidelic" BTW, as that is more accepted.

EDIT: I need to refresh before replying next time :sweatdrop:

[Ludens]

Those guys look GOOD:

where are/were they availale and to whom?

The dosidataskeli can be recruited by the Lusotanians in one province in the north of Iberia (the one that is currently Basque country, the Vascii where the ancestors of the Basques, IIRC). The Ordmalica and Dubosaverlacica are available in both Irish provinces to Celtic factions and the Lusotanians. Provided, off course, that you activate their recruitment in the EDB.


Ohhhhhh. I am gonna ask a stupid question. Why are so many of these units all gone or messed with? Where the irish going to be a faction at some point?

It's a bit of a sore spot. The people who included these units are no longer with the team, and the team cannot find the sources used for concepting these units. Several forum members claimed they were ahistorical, and eventually the team disabled their recruitment. And yes, the Goidils were considered as a faction, but they eventually lost out to the Saba.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Which of the cladaca and vellinica skins are most accurate for the Goidelics? And why are the "Infatry Cataphracts" recruitible for the lusotanians?

[Ludens]

Which of the cladaca and vellinica skins are most accurate for the Goidelics? And why are the "Infatry Cataphracts" recruitible for the lusotanians?

The dosidataskeli presumably for the same reason that very few other elite units are available to more than one culture. The Ordmalica and Dubosaverlacica are available to the Lusotanians because there was a theory that the Goidels were originally from Iberia, or Iberian-influenced, or something. That, too, is being disputed.

I cannot answer your accuracy question, but frankly it's hard enough to reconstruct the troop types of the Gallic Celts, let alone those of fringe groups that did not get into contact with the Mediterranean world (where most of our information comes from).

[Aemilius Paulus]

It's a bit of a sore spot. The people who included these units are no longer with the team, and the team cannot find the sources used for concepting these units. Several forum members claimed they were ahistorical, and eventually the team disabled their recruitment. And yes, the Goidils were considered as a faction, but they eventually lost out to the Saba.
I bet it was Ranika, was it not? I recently went over the very first forty pages of this forum, reading all the threads, and it has been most enlightening experience for me. Ranika was the greatest Celtic expert here. I also recollect khelvan I believe, speaking of an Irish historian who worked with numerous Goidlic texts, yet untranslated, and his work was also unpublished, but khelvan or some other team member (I do not remember exactly who was saying this) knew him personally.


Oh, and BTW, what happened to all of those barbarian artillery pieces? I saw their skins and models, but they never came out. Why?


So sad Goidils lost to Saba... Saba are quite lousy, although I suppose it was needed to have a faction in such an empty spot, as well as a spot reachable by land. Becasue Goidils could have became another Casse, who would always stay isolated in the islands. Strait of Dover seriously needs a landbridge. Might not be accurate, but Casse need a room to expand.

[Ludens]

Oh, and BTW, what happened to all of those barbarian artillery pieces? I saw their skins and models, but they never came out. Why?

I don't recall those, do you have links? Since the Barbarians didn't use much in the way of artillery I don't understand why they were made. Perhaps they are from the very early days, when not much research had been done?


So sad Goidils lost to Saba... Saba are quite lousy, although I suppose it was needed to have a faction in such an empty spot, as well as a spot reachable by land.

The main motivations where to represent the Arabs and to give a proper founder faction to the Arabian peninsula. In EB 0.7, the Arab provinces would rebel to Pahlava or the Ptolemeans, neither of which was realistic.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I don't recall those, do you have links? Since the Barbarians didn't use much in the way of artillery I don't understand why they were made. Perhaps they are from the very early days, when not much research had been done?
Oh no, on the contrary, that research was quite reliable, and barbarians built quite a bit of artillery pieces. One was the most common, and I do recall it being mentioned recently as well.

That famous one was basically a long paddle on a rope. Once you let the rope go, the paddle hit the ends of vertically aligned bolts, which would come out flying. The other one was a giant crossbow basically.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I am still looking for the skins that I saw, but here is a post by khelvan in the meanwhile:


Please forgive me, I misstated; the Chythrsydh ('Breath Bolts') and Cyrthcanepo ('Eater of Horses') are more field artillery than siege artillery. The Chythrsydh was like a long, multi-shot crossbow, not very big, though wide; it fired 4-10 bolts rapidly, used for anti-personnel. The Cyrthcanepo was a larger version firing much larger bolts, meant to kill cavalry. Both the Chythrsydh and Cyrthcanepo are like the bricoli in the way they fire; a spring mechanism slams up a plank into the back of the missles, which are set through bore holes, and launches them. The Celts used rams for sieges, and quite commonly sapped.

EDIT: oh, and here is him speaking of that mysterious historian:


In addition, the Irish historian I describe in posts above provided me the information on Celtic siege engines. He works directly with the as yet untranslated (though he is working on them) ancient histories of the Goidilics and other Celts. His work is not yet published. I trust his work over any historian that does not have access to the same materials. I have encouraged him to publish his work, but he isn't ready to do that, yet.

[Ghaust the Moor]

I sure hope that this "mysterious" historian publishes his work. I would love to read it.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I sure hope that this "mysterious" historian publishes his work. I would love to read it.
Well, that quote dated from 2004, so it may be possible he already has.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Well. I guess that means I should start looking. Heheh.

P.S. Would you happen to know the name of the historian?