Retirement [Archive]

Darius

06-02-2009, 18:54

Around what age do you guys usually retire your generals, or do you have them marching to war until they die of old age? I'd say for me it's mid to late 50's where I find a nice settlement, give out his military ancillaries in exchange for administrative ones, and let him relax as a governor in his halcyon days.

Aemilius Paulus

06-02-2009, 19:12

I, for one, do not retire my generals until they reach maximum management and influence. However much time that takes. Then I just send them to govern my largest and potentially enriching cities on the ends of my empire. Then the general's penalties will be the most effective in curbing corruption, increasing happiness and boosting income through management. Thus, I replace my generals often, so as to give everyone a chance for the double ten, or the state of having 10 management and influence. Which is very common for me.

Zradha Pahlavan

06-02-2009, 19:42

I assign different generals to differnent portions of the empire and there they stay, doing whatever is necessary. On quiet frontiers some of them never fight, while in territories nearby enemy nations or in rebelious areas they sometimes go from one battle to another day after day until they fall stone dead out of the saddle. It creates a huge imbalance in who has governing ability and who has fighting abilty, but I'm not going to march all my generals back and forth across my lands all day because that will be painfully annoying and potentially disasterous, as some of the more managment-oriented guys will end up losing battles that the veterans would have won. (this has been a problem more than once)

Fluvius Camillus

06-02-2009, 19:51

I send my supreme general to go conquer into a specific direction, they will gain fmae and glory. I will keep them fighting until they drop dead or if they have extreme movement penalties, usually their son is then ready to take over.

~Fluvius

Irishmafia2020

06-02-2009, 19:58

My generals are usually assigned settlements in various regions which they are required to both administer and protect. Additionally, some generals are permanent members of the military establishment, who have their own regional military forces (legions, per se). I have an Italian Army, A Barbarian Army, a Royal Guard Division (Elite Greek/Epirote units), an Asian Army, and a Marine Corp. Each of these armies is lead by a career general, and they all have a particular regional flavor in their make-up. Although I do move these armies around to whichever fronts are hot, they generally return to their home regions for retraining or during peace time. The generals of these armies serve until about 55 - 60 and then they go run some nice settlement somewhere, unless they are a recruited general and then they may die at war. The exception is if I conquer a nice province with a family member, that individual can choose to remain there (Syracuse, Pergamon etc) while the army moves on and receives a new commander. Most of my family members are career governors whose only military experience might be bringing the local militia to a fight in an emergency.

When do the warriors retire? Ideally 55-60, unless they are recruited, then they retire upon death or severe illness that debilitates the army by slowing them down...

johnhughthom

06-02-2009, 20:04

Retirement? Do you guys have some sort of pension scheme going on or something? :clown:
I usually retire people based on achievements rather than age, for instance if someone has a great campaign, or wins an heroic victory(heroic by my judgement, not the games) I will usually give them a nice big city to fleece..

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

06-02-2009, 20:09

I usually keep my generals going until they start getting old age negative traits. My generals are usually lifetime fighters, so they never make very good governors since they rarely have managment traits.

HunGeneral

06-02-2009, 20:35

Depends on faction in my case. Civilized ones are more complicated, but at the time I have a Saka campaing going with full (horse)steam. In there case I prefer to have the heir fight a long time (age 45 already has 8 commandstars - not the Kings son will become the heir, but usually the best warlord) he usually retires a while after becoming King or when he is getting old. The next heir is possibly already in the army ready to take over command.

If a family member becomes a Warmonger he might decide that a "simple" death in bed is not good enough for him and he might make a suicide charge to die like a true warrior (taking as many of the enemy with him as possible so they can serve him in the afterlife).

Some FMs however never want to fight so they stay behind to govern the provinces of the empire.

Ca Putt

06-02-2009, 21:00

I try to let my FMs do what they want to do, those that are just total no goes in settlements(like restless warmongers) fight until they are 50 then they get a young (<20) other FM assigned and continue until they realy get to lame or die.

Maion Maroneios

06-02-2009, 21:11

Indeed, I do. When my generals grow tired of war or reach an age were the bad traits kick in, I roleplay them retiring by governing some polis of the Mega Basileion.

Maion

Moosemanmoo

06-02-2009, 22:11

Indeed, I do. When my generals grow tired of war or reach an age were the bad traits kick in, I roleplay them retiring by governing some polis of the Mega Basileion.

Maion

Same here, though I usually deploy my faction heir to lead my grand campaigns once he's mid to late twenties, preferably leaving a son or two behind with the faction leader in the capital. Lesser family members govern the big cities and lead small campaigns.

Fluvius Camillus

06-02-2009, 23:14

I really like keeping the royal family trees alive, and RPing with them! This went exceptionally well with Epirus. Also with my old pre 1.0 Makedonian campaign I couldnt have a better name for a faction heir, Perseus. This time in history he actually conquered the Carthaginian empire....:laugh4: I still hate it that the savegame got lost because my hard disk melted... it was my learning campaign, that Makedonian campaign was so awesome! I was very far with forging an awesome empire. This pre1.0 also missed the Central European ridiculous AI armies. So I had the finish the Germanics off early, then I established a peaceful front with the Arverni as buffer. It was actually Alkyneus, which every seasoned Makedonian player knows, who conquered Germania, took him around his whole life. First he conquered the rebellious Danube provinces, finished the Getai, then was involved in an unwanted German war, the regions were extremely unruly. Glad I upgraded Sweboztraustastamnoz (did I just spelled that correct in one go without thinking?!?!) to a nice example of a hellenic city!

Sorry for wandering OT with the thougths of my Nostalgic Makedonian campaign...

~Fluvius

Atraphoenix

06-02-2009, 23:36

After 55-60 as you know they have less movement points, I transfer battle ancillaries to a younger general. and under my mod I swap commander-in-chiefs mostly I give around 20-25 to a sharp/charismmatic/vigourous men. and retired general finnaly may have time to relax and womanize :laugh4:

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

06-02-2009, 23:40

Depends on the General. If he's a real monster, with like 4 command stars, 10 management and 10 influence, I better don't have him sit idly with the army in my capital...:clown:

If he's got the faithful or devoted trait, I trust him much and are normally very happy if he manages to surpass the magic 62/63 years of age border. I he's not so devoted, I normally won't endear him with command over a royal army. No way, unless I have no other choice. When the war is over, he will then retire in a backwater where he eventually gets "melancholic" trait.

antisocialmunky

06-03-2009, 00:27

In my experience, settled generals seem to die a few years sooner than their campaigning friends. Probably from pleasuring the hordes of slave girls he's gathered on campaign or such nonsense. But nonetheless, I usually keep my generals campaigning until their sons can take over(you need new good generals when your old good generals die).

Cute Wolf

06-03-2009, 05:31

Depends on what faction I play...

As "Civilized faction, except Romani"
Usually I got only one or two generals campaigning, usually had 8,9 or even 10 command stars in his 45s, while they in the field at 60's, they usually "carry" much younger FM's (usually 17 or 18th, after some time sit in academia) with smaller armies behind him to act as his "student" (very seldom his son, usually grandson!!!), and take on his position (and almost all his military ancillaries) if he hit 70's... after that, the "retired" general usually sit in a province nearby his student to watch his action, and reinforce if necessary... (usually they got warmonger traits... so sitting them down in city isn't a good option)

As Romani...
Teleport the FM back to italy when he hit 65's, especially when he got triumph, after that, sit in some backwater town... or if he got "fatal" warmonger trait... stand until death in Italy...

As Nomads / Barbarians
Campaign until got a heroic death, with his "student" then briefly teleport to capital (act as delivering his body), and then continue the campaign...

And my generals who get "Scarred, Vigorous, Spartan, Seen the elephant" trait, usually life into his 90s with many girls arround him, while his less healthy brothers usually die peacefully in his 70's

Duguntz

06-03-2009, 09:05

Retire? Bah, for women! My sweboz general would fight till 80 if they'd live till then! when a Gen get the Coward and so trait, of when he flees a battle, or he becomes a distant (veeery distant) admin. in some faraway shithole, or I roleplay he can't stand the public opinion and he courageously charge to his death alone,in battle... and I do play all my Battles,never autocalc, I like to se him die... it was only a coward afterall!!! then all my gen are warmonger, restless warmonger, and there's another step after that, wich I forget the name, wich give you full of bad trait but makes you so damn hot on the battlefield! I LOVE IT!

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 12:22

My sweboz general would fight till 80 if they'd live till then!
Even a woman would fight better than an 80 year old guy, you know.

Maion

Vilkku92

06-03-2009, 12:39

Even a woman would fight better than an 80 year old guy, you know.

Maion

http://www.chroniknet.de/assets/41679_1.jpg

Yes, technically he was only 71 in 1918, but it's only 9 years short of 80.

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 13:17

OK, OK the majority of 80 year olds would fight worse than a woman.

Maion

Cute Wolf

06-03-2009, 13:27

Did u know, the quite common criminality in my country are 80 years old men rape girls...

Quoted from: http://berita.liputan6.com/hukrim/200905/230184/Kakek.Memperkosa.Anak.SD

Translation:
An elderly men delibrately rape a girl that still in his primary school (6th level). His action was reported by his victim's parents... bla bla - bla... his victim is still 14 years old....

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And that just an unemployed old men, think about a men that in his lifetime swings his swords...:smash:

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 13:38

What has that in God's name to do with war, if I may ask?

Maion

glouch

06-03-2009, 13:57

between 35-45. i always let my generals lead an army right off the bat at 16 y/o. i assign them to a particular region on the outskirts of the empire bordering a hostile state(s) such as in taras, near the romaoi. of course they are carefully chosen, usually having sharp/charismatic/vigorous and loyal. i roleplay dull and/or langourous generals as dissenters/rebellious bastards and send them on impossible missions to roleplay executions or the defeat of a rebellion. anyway, by 35 my career generals have already fought nonstop (i tend to NOT steamroll enemies, instead allowing them to recover during a truce/forced alliance so that i won't ever run out of interesting battles to fight. the romani are a DELIGHT to exterminate) for 19 years, which is a pretty long military career that's provided each of them a long list of (heroic) victories. by their 30th year i start to look for a successor, by 35-40, i've usually found one, however there were several cases where my generals were forced to soldier on for an average of 10 more years because of a lack of 'worthy' family members (and thus a heap of 16-20 year-old already-dead men).

also, at certain times when a region is being attacked in many directions and it would be impossible to defend with only 1 army and general, a retired general could be recalled and an army given to him (i always have five small armies ('marines') stationed at sea, one each in the aegean, black, eastern mediterranean, ionian, and ligurian seas as emergency reinforcements.

Cute Wolf

06-03-2009, 15:02

@ Maion...
After a bloody battle, even the most civilized Strategos of Makedonian, Hellen, Seleukid, Ptolemaioi, Baktrian, and Epirote.... still take a little delight in raping girls from enemy civilians.... that's why most of my generals get "Pervert" line of traits...:laugh4:

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 15:10

So? We're talking about retirement here, not perverted old creeps that have a fondness for innocent girls :evilgrin:

Maion

Duguntz

06-03-2009, 16:02

i said ''if they'd live till 80'' !!! Don't worry, I know how fight an 80 ys man! anyway roleplay wise, for sweboz, my FM's, running for glory and heroic act, to be worthy of Deiwoz, practicly all dies in Battle. Because, not not strategicly wise, however, my Gen is always on First Line, along with his men, and charge along with them as well! This is, of corse, as roleplay, because... warmonger, and supper ubber warmonger, all mt FM's get it at one point of the other. And a sweboz would not support the shame to be in the second line!!!
Yeah, i prefer roleplay than pure strategy... it's my fun! :yes:
Cheers all!

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 16:06

I know mate, I'm just messing with you :beam: Now, :focus: :yes:

Maion

Duguntz

06-03-2009, 17:18

Mee to pal, just messing! now, Topic!!! So Darius, if your Generals are real men, they shouldn't be retired! fight on! Follow the tip of a real warrior (That's mean, sweboz!) and send as administrator only the ''cowards'' and so, as punishment! Heros die in Hero... Not in a consular bed! but on the piles of bodies he killed before in the battle he heroicly died in, so he can now go eat and fight in peace among the Gods in the Valhallah while waiting for the Ultimate battle of the Gods against the Giants, deciding the outcome of living and deads! Amen!

Cute Wolf

06-03-2009, 18:05

@ maion... u say 80 ys old men fight worse than girls....
So how did they rape them if they are worse fighter...:laugh4:

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 18:18

@ maion... u say 80 ys old men fight worse than girls....
So how did they rape them if they are worse fighter...:laugh4:
Women, not girls. And please, :focus:

Maion

HunGeneral

06-03-2009, 19:08

Maion Maroneios

06-03-2009, 19:12

Well then backt to topic:

If you do retire your generals then do you take a look at where he would like to govern? Maybe in a province he has conquered (and enslaved/exterminated the populace) to make good for his bad deeds? Or do you guys simply send him to the first province in sight?
Generally, when my Basileus retires I send him to the capital. If he is some good Startegos, I send him to a province that needs governing. If he's just an incompetent fool, I send him to the borders of the Basileion to defend against some hostile territory.

Maion

Zradha Pahlavan

06-03-2009, 20:49

I usually set up 'regional capitols' of sorts in crucial areas to put my better commanders after they've killed any opposition, and from there they can be rushed out to any city that needs them, but usually if nothing is going on they can do whatever they wish in the city they had been sent to, so long as they don't piss everyone off in the process.

Leão magno

06-08-2009, 20:54

As for me I try to retire him, but it just means they do not go to war, but they are kept in charge of the strategical planning while youngers goes to battles

Celtic_Punk

06-09-2009, 02:20

depends on traits... if they are still lively and active i'll keep em goin. But if they become decrepit crazy old men, then it's time for them to take a break.

MerlinusCDXX

06-09-2009, 03:11

Hehehe, some of the crazy old bastards you get in EB get pissed when you try to put 'em on the shelf. Just like some of my crazy old relatives, but yeah, I retire 'em if they are getting sick too often or too depressed. That is if they are not totally anti-social beasts, they get a nice little town, if they can get management through traits or ancillaries, they get a city, if they are "not fit for civilized company", they get the "senior military advisor" position in a fort and rebel hunting to pass the time. If they're just cantankerous old fraks that won't sit still, they get to stay in the army with their "boys".

Celtic_Punk

06-09-2009, 03:13

if they are really messed up I send em alone into the lions den. they serve as a distraction and will ride around till the end of their days.

satalexton

06-09-2009, 05:46

Until every male, female, and hatchling of the creatures of Barbaropolis is cleansed, there can only be retirement in death.

MerlinusCDXX

06-09-2009, 07:07

Until every male, female, and hatchling of the creatures of Barbaropolis is cleansed, there can only be retirement in death.

The inhabitants of Barbaropolis are currently my slaves while I reform and reorganize my armies. Worry not my fellow Romaioktonos, the stupid barbaroi will inevitably anger me by their inability to behave as proper humans, and will thus be cleansed from the face of the earth. (in my current Qart-Hadast campaign.)

Celtic_Punk

06-09-2009, 08:39

Well I maybe tied up with infighting with the Adeui... but don't worry. Once Rome throws in the sponge (I'm going to sack the crap out of Rome) Pella will be next... Then the General of those endeavours will be granted retirement. ooooo I can't wait to see thousands of cowardly greeks running at the sight of what a real pair of bollocks look like.

Maion Maroneios

06-09-2009, 09:22

(I'm going to sack the crap out of Rome) Pella will be next...
OK, just as I was about to proclaim you a noble Romaioktonos you completely ruined it for me...

Maion

Duguntz

06-09-2009, 15:56

Why all those hatefull comments on Romans? I'm Sweboz and I like Roman... very much even... have you ever tried them with a subtil orange sauce, sweetened by olive oil, cut in small cubes and cooked on the grill, then brush the sauce over, add grilled onions to the plate and serve still hot... Romans are great also when boiled with onions, carrots, potatoes, ass really little flavour, spices and you got a good roman soup, sweboz style!

Of corse, it's romans... so remember to always wash your food before cooking!

Cute Wolf

06-09-2009, 16:05

Bah... eating romans will almost guarantee you get a lot of brain disease... they eat too many Lead (Pb)

Retire them in a province they conquer is nice, but (for Alex-EB users) if they become too peaceful, their god will grant them an elixir to become 16 y old again...

Celtic_Punk

06-09-2009, 17:05

OK, just as I was about to proclaim you a noble Romaioktonos you completely ruined it for me...

Maion

I'm a Celt!!!!! Calling me my people's destroyer is a huge offence to me! They raped our women and destroyed our culture! Rome was definitely the true barbarians. Destroyer of cultures, thieves of technology, and the bringer of the terrible plague that spreads across the world today. MODERN RELIGION!

It is a good thing you had the restraint to not call me "Romaioktonos" They are the same to me as the 12th SS in Normandy, or the British in Eire.

Maion If you have 1.1 still... I'd like to show you how we fight. With our own inventions and style of combat. Not with stolen tactics, weapons and armour.