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[Louis VI the Fat]

'Gay penguins' rear adopted chick

Humboldt penguin numbers are declining in the wild (file image)
Two "gay" male penguins have hatched a chick and are now rearing it as its adoptive parents, says a German zoo.

The zoo, in Bremerhaven, northern Germany, says the adult males - Z and Vielpunkt - were given an egg which was rejected by its biological parents. It says the couple are now happily rearing the chick, said to have reached four weeks old.

The zoo made headlines in 2005 over plans to "test" the sexual orientation of penguins with homosexual traits. Three pairs of male penguins had been seen attempting to mate with each other and trying to hatch offspring from stones. Since the chick arrived, they have been behaving just as you would expect a heterosexual couple to do

The zoo flew in four females in a bid to get the endangered birds to reproduce - but quickly abandoned the scheme after causing outrage among gay rights activists, who accused it of interfering in the animals' behaviour. The six "gay" penguins remain at the zoo, among them Z and Vielpunkt who are now rearing the chick together after being given the rejected egg.

"Z and Vielpunkt, both males, gladly accepted their 'Easter gift' and got straight down to raising it," said a zoo statement. "Since the chick arrived, they have been behaving just as you would expect a heterosexual couple to do. The two happy fathers spend their days attentively protecting, caring for and feeding their adopted offspring." Humboldt penguins are normally found in coastal Peru and Chile, but their numbers have been dwindling due to overfishing, reports the AFP news agency.

'Drive to mate'

There have been previous reports of exclusive male-to-male pairings among penguins, some of which have also included the rearing of chicks.

Homosexual behaviour is well documented in many different animals, but it is not understood in detail, says Professor Stuart West, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Oxford. Professor West says it has been suggested that homosexual activity could serve various purposes - for instance, it may relate to social bonding and establishment of dominance among bonobo chimps, while in some bird species, females may come together to rear young. Other animals may simply exhibit a "drive to mate", while others may, like humans, enjoy non-procreative sexual activity.

"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals," Bremerhaven zoo said on Wednesday.

"Sex and coupling up in our world do not necessarily have anything to do with reproduction." Gay marriage is perfectly natural (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8081829.stm). :yes:

Questions:

Should Bremen Zoo forbid this gay marriage? Should the zoo forcefully remove the egg from these two male parents to placate God?

Will cinemas next year be showing the movie 'Pride March of the Penguins'?

When will Fred Phelps show up?

By what right do people want to forcefully forbid other people from engaging in perfectly natural reproduction?

[PowerWizard]

Congratulations for creating an immensely biased poll.

[Hooahguy]

wheres the "gah" option? not "gah" with some extra words. i mean "gah" by itself. thus, i voted the closest thing to it.
and this poll definitely needs a "gah" option.

:gah:

[Louis VI the Fat]

wheres the "gah" option? not "gah" with some extra words. Do you mean that gahs can be gahs, as long as they don't behave too gah?



Congratulations for creating an immensely biased poll. It's push-polling. The idea exists that homosexuality is unnatural, and confined to humans. This is not the case. One does not win a debate with arguments. One wins a debate by deciding the language of the debate before it has started.

The answer to the question 'should unnatural, perfidious gay reproduction be allowed for humans?' will, in the end, always be no.
The answer to the question 'should perfectly natural, loving and caring gay reproduction be disallowed exclusively in humans?' will, in the long run, always be no too.


What's more, people always return to the thread in which they've posted. That means, that my post below will be the second time I manage to indoctrinate you with the naturalness throughout the natural world of homosexuality and same-sex reproduction. ~;)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Male big horn sheep live in what are often called “homosexual societies.” They bond through genital licking and anal intercourse, which often ends in ejaculation. If a male sheep chooses to not have gay sex, it becomes a social outcast. Ironically, scientists call such straight-laced males “effeminate.”

Giraffes have all-male orgies. So do bottlenose dolphins, killer whales, gray whales, and West Indian manatees. Japanese macaques, on the other hand, are ardent lesbians; the females enthusiastically mount each other. Bonobos, one of our closest primate relatives, are similar, except that their lesbian sexual encounters occur every two hours. Male bonobos engage in “penis fencing,” which leads, surprisingly enough, to ejaculation. They also give each other genital massages.

As this list of activities suggests, having homosexual sex is the biological equivalent of apple pie: Everybody likes it. At last count, over 450 different vertebrate species could be beheaded in Saudi Arabia. You name it, there’s a vertebrate out there that does it. Nevertheless, most biologists continue to regard homosexuality as a sexual outlier. According to evolutionary theory, being gay is little more than a maladaptive behavior.

Joan Roughgarden, a professor of biology at Stanford University, wants to change that perception.Behead whales, giraffes, sheep and penguins! (http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_gay_animal_kingdom/)


Or...shall we not behead and repress homosexuality, but instead read books and study nature? :

So how might homosexuality be good for us? Any concept of sexual selection that emphasizes the selfish propagation of genes and sperm won’t be able to account for the abundance of non-heterosexual sex. All those gay penguins and persons will remain inexplicable. However, if one looks at homosexuality from the perspective of a community, one can begin to see why nature might foster a variety of sexual interactions.

According to Roughgarden, gayness is a necessary side effect of getting along. Homosexuality evolved in tandem with vertebrate societies, in which a motley group of individuals has to either live together or die alone. In fact, Roughgarden even argues that homosexuality is a defining feature of advanced animal communities, which require communal bonds in order to function. “The more complex and sophisticated a social system is,” she writes, “the more likely it is to have homosexuality intermixed with heterosexuality.”

[Pannonian]

Bonobo chimps, who are the non-homo sapiens species we are most closely related to, apparently do it every which way with every which one.

[KukriKhan]

One does not win a debate with arguments. One wins a debate by deciding the language of the debate before it has started.

Nice demonstration of that principle. :thumbsup:

You should thank PowerWizard for being your straight-man.

[Fragony]

And who was it that said these things aren't that black and white, huh

[Pannonian]

And who was it that said these things aren't that black and white, huh
Whoever said these things aren't that black and white obviously wasn't talking about giant pandas.

[Kadagar_AV]

Alternatively:

A) Those penguins are a blasphemy and should be shot! INSALLAH (or whatever crazy christians say)!

B) God created them gay, he obviosly have no problem with it.

[Fragony]

Whoever said these things aren't that black and white obviously wasn't talking about giant pandas.

way to go

[HoreTore]

Hah! Best thread opening ever!

But I think the real question is; will heterosexual penguins stop reproducing now that they're confronted by the gay penguins? Will this cause trauma to their offspring? Will the little penguins be teased at penguinschool?

[LittleGrizzly]

I think straight penguins looking after thier young will abandon them as child rearing has lost all meaning with gay penguins doing it as well...

That and the downfall of penguin society, i expect penguin incest and penguin peaophilia to increase dramatically...

[miotas]

I voted Gah, homosexuals have just as much right to be as miserable as heterosexual people.

[Kralizec]

I think straight penguins looking after thier young will abandon them as child rearing has lost all meaning with gay penguins doing it as well...

That and the downfall of penguin society, i expect penguin incest and penguin peaophilia to increase dramatically...

Not to mention beastiality :juggle2:

[PowerWizard]

Do you mean that gahs can be gahs, as long as they don't behave too gah?


It's push-polling. The idea exists that homosexuality is unnatural, and confined to humans. This is not the case. One does not win a debate with arguments. One wins a debate by deciding the language of the debate before it has started.

The answer to the question 'should unnatural, perfidious gay reproduction be allowed for humans?' will, in the end, always be no.
The answer to the question 'should perfectly natural, loving and caring gay reproduction be disallowed exclusively in humans?' will, in the long run, always be no too.


What's more, people always return to the thread in which they've posted. That means, that my post below will be the second time I manage to indoctrinate you with the naturalness throughout the natural world of homosexuality and same-sex reproduction. ~;)

Too bad there's no 'marriage' within the animal kingdom, it is entirely an institution of human society. The second poll option "Gay marriage must be exclusivly forbidden for homo sapiens" implies that there is gay marriage at other species, which is completely false.

The third poll option is obviously nonsense. The 1st and 4th poll options are based on the naturalistic fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy). Thread fails. Might as well ask...


EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. Please host pictures yourself. BG

[Sarmatian]

Too bad there's no 'marriage' within the animal kingdom, it is entirely an institution of human society.

Gah? :dizzy2:

Yep, there is no marriage withing animal kingdom, in a sense that no animals go to church with their friends and relatives and ask to be joined in holy matrimony before God, but there are relationships between animals that are very similar to human marriage - monogamous relationship, staying together for life, both partners providing and taking care of the offspring etc...

Poor attempt at twisting the point of the OP...

[woad&fangs]

Gah? :dizzy2:

Yep, there is no marriage withing animal kingdom, in a sense that no animals go to church with their friends and relatives and ask to be joined in holy matrimony before God, but there are relationships between animals that are very similar to human marriage

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster accepts all species who are capable of dressing in pirate regalia.

[Tribesman]

Too bad there's no 'marriage' within the animal kingdom, it is entirely an institution of human society.
Prove it , I want documented translations of whales speech specificly saying there is no marriage in their society.......or a link.

One wins a debate by deciding the language of the debate before it has started.

Has Pindar returned to the forum?

[KukriKhan]

Prove it , I want documented translations of whales speech specificly saying there is no marriage in their society.......or a link.

Has Pindar returned to the forum?

Your query is its own refutation.

[Tribesman]

Your query is its own refutation.
That is not a refutation as I say it is not a refutation and besides which it is beyond the scope of this discussion . This debate is limited to what I say it is and anything you write either agrees with me or is irrelevant .
I have converted to the church of Joseph -----. and become a lawyer.

[KukriKhan]

That is not a refutation as I say it is not a refutation and besides which it is beyond the scope of this discussion . This debate is limited to what I say it is and anything you write either agrees with me or is irrelevant .
I have converted to the church of Joseph -----. and become a lawyer.

The obfuscational attempt at refutation of the aforementioned assertion, setting aside an alleged conversion to Josephiteism, however entertaining that Road to Damascus episode might be, taken in part, does in-whole unqualifiedly fail to advance the case.

[rotorgun]

King James Bible
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient...Romans 1:28

It seems that God may be counted as a GAH! on this one. Those are some sinful Penguins, Goats, Dolphins, etc. it appears.:shame:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I miss Pindar. :(

[PowerWizard]

Gah? :dizzy2:

Yep, there is no marriage withing animal kingdom, in a sense that no animals go to church with their friends and relatives and ask to be joined in holy matrimony before God, but there are relationships between animals that are very similar to human marriage - monogamous relationship, staying together for life, both partners providing and taking care of the offspring etc...

Poor attempt at twisting the point of the OP...

mar·riage
Pronunciation:
\ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:14th century
Definition: the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

[Hosakawa Tito]

The obfuscational attempt at refutation of the aforementioned assertion, setting aside an alleged conversion to Josephiteism, however entertaining that Road to Damascus episode might be, taken in part, does in-whole unqualifiedly fail to advance the case.

He's practically defenseless without smilies, better apply for a postponement. If the whale testimony don't fit, then you must acquit.

[InsaneApache]

As someone who's been married twice, I'd have to plump for 'marriage is un-natural'. Just don't let the missus know. :o)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Too bad there's no 'marriage' within the animal kingdom, it is entirely an institution of human society. The second poll option "Gay marriage must be exclusivly forbidden for homo sapiens" implies that there is gay marriage at other species, which is completely false.

The third poll option is obviously nonsense. The 1st and 4th poll options are based on the naturalistic fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy). Thread fails. Might as well ask...To which I have only one reply:



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