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Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 09:38
Apparently, my Alexandros Aiakides somehow managed to reach 120 years of age and then he found an elixir to become 16 y old again...:laugh4:
satalexton
06-09-2009, 10:40
zeus must want him to destroy barbaropolis (again?)
Leviathan DarklyCute
06-09-2009, 10:41
16 y old "Seen the Elephant, Legendary commander, and Great Conqueror"
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Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 11:31
@ Sataxleton
He Allready conquered Barbaropolis, SPQR is no more... He's last bashing Keltoi lands in his 80's, and then I just put him in charge of Barbaropolis, waiting him to die peacefully, but it looks like he outlive his sons and even grandsons... and then found the elixir of life...
@Leviathan
That's wrong, he was Just, and Teetotal... (last time I didn't sack, just occupy barbaropolis, and then about a year after, he got "Absolutely Just" trait... I wonder what trigger it?
Anyone had the "funny problem" with very old FM's turned out young again?
Yes. Are you playing with ALX.exe?
Leviathan DarklyCute
06-09-2009, 11:48
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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-09-2009, 11:52
Stow it right now Leviathon, this is a PG13 forum, not X rated. Take it somewhere else.
Maion Maroneios
06-09-2009, 11:53
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I believe you crossed the line there sir. There are minors here, plus I'm pretty sure some people are going to find this offensive.
Maion
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 11:54
@ Hax
Yes... but why?
@ Leviathan...
Please... don't talk about sexual things here... please... edit your post... I just want to talk about aging in EB... Alex-EB... not about some adult talking here... so I beg you to edit your post please.... :bow:
I don't want this thread locked
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@Maion
Thanks... that was real offensive... If anyone wanna talk dirty, they could do that in another site, not in this org...
SO everyone, just back to topic please...
lionhard
06-09-2009, 12:08
Does using the alex engine with EB cause many effects like this?
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 12:21
@ Lionhard
I think that was only a bit of factor, I remember when I play FATW (which using BI) I often get Palantir (which at the start allready 105), becomes young again...
The result of using the ALX engine is the fact that in vanilla ALX there is a failsafe that prevents Alexander from dying of old age before the game has ended. This failsafe is called the Immortal trait. More information here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94861)
Tellos Athenaios
06-09-2009, 12:31
Apparently, my Alexandros Aiakides somehow managed to reach 120 years of age and then he found an elixir to become 16 y old again...:laugh4:
ALX.exe does not by default kill off family members.
Still odd: the only thing I can think of why that would happen is that the byte is wrapped (that is: when you compute 0xFF + 1 [255 + 1] you get 0x0100 [256] which is truncated to 0x00 [0] again). Which doesn't explain _this_ unless RTW uses a 7bit value for age... possibly reserving the 8th bit for denoting gender?
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 12:35
Alexandros aiakides is definitely diffrent men than Megas Alexandros
Alexandros aiakides is definitely diffrent men than Megas Alexandros
I don't think that any FM's die in ALX.exe
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 12:42
Pyrrhos die, Helenos die, Satraces (look my Saka AAR Family tree) die, usually almost all of my FM's die, except some lucky guy such as him... (although the die of old age average limit seems at 7x-8x of years, not 6x as BI)
Is he your faction leader? Maybe it's faction leaders that don't die?
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 12:56
Pyrrhos die... in age of 8x (forget the precise age)... yes he's the Faction leader... (Ptolemaios die before his father, The romans slain him in Capua)
But then, why my saka Faction leader dies peacefully at the age of 7x?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-09-2009, 13:40
There is a wrapping bug, if a character reaches a certain age he becomes 16 again, given that there is a random chance of a character dieing every turn after a certain age he sometimes never dies.
Leviathan DarklyCute
06-09-2009, 13:44
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Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 13:59
@ Leviathan... well better talk on private manners you.... (insert any expeltive)
Don't run out of control in this forum...
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Aaaaarrrgggghhh..... don't talk anymore about that... U all with dirty mind could acess some appropriate forum instead (adult ones)... PLEASE I BEG ALL OF YOU!!!
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not to encourage this at all, but whats wrong with 16 year olds?
age of consent in the UK
Please, don't quote inappropriate content from a post made by another member as it creates more work for the local moderators.
They'll have to clean all the mess when they're back online.
And don't forget the old internet wisdom : don't feed the trolls.
:bow:
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 14:11
@ Thanks Andres, now back to topic...
Could you delete some that "innapropriate" posts here... it was offensive to the minors...
Maion Maroneios
06-09-2009, 14:23
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As a mater of fact, I enjoy it. But that has nothing to do with this thread, let alone the forums here in general.
Just please edit the post. Talking about those things isn't suited for minors, plus it doesn't help me think of you in any way other than a sick pervert with an opressed sexuality. I've got nothing against you, but your post went way too far mate.
Maion
Could you delete some that "innapropriate" posts here... it was offensive to the minors...
Unfortunately, I don't have sufficient privileges, so we'll have to wait until one of the local guys gets back online.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-09-2009, 14:30
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You have broken .Org rules, the team has decided this should be dealt with accordingly. I strongly suggest you not attempt to antagonise us further.
Darth Revan
06-09-2009, 14:32
Pretty......weird especially when Pyrrohs & Helenos died of natural age......Must be very funny for him to find his sons & daughters older than him........
I am unable to help you on this as I've never encountered this before......even though I am playing on EAEM.......
@Andres, I hope you delete the objectionable posts but please don't lock the thread as this is a rare event......
This thread is locked and actions will be taken against Leviathan DarklyCute for innapropriate behavior in the forum.
EDIT: I've opened the thread again and just deleted the offensive content. I'll ask the forum admin to take measures against this user.
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 14:44
Thanks mods...
BTW, anyone have a clue how "Immortal" trait got spilled anyway?
Darth Revan
06-09-2009, 14:46
Thank you for reopening the thread & deleting the bad content......
There are two quotes of bad content remaining......one is just above my previous post.....
I am happy to know that there are good people out here........
EDIT : Its been deleted.......Thanks again for your timely intervention......
Now, all we got to find whether cute wolf's 16 y old faction leader is a bug or not.......
Maion Maroneios
06-09-2009, 15:00
Indeed, thank you for the just action.
Maion
Irishmafia2020
06-09-2009, 16:42
I've heard of this happening before... apparently it is a well known bug that anyone reaching the age of 120 becomes 16 again. The way to deal with it is simply to kill your 119 year old's off in combat I suppose, although i have never personally had anyone last past 101 or so...
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 16:49
The death seems so random after 60++ years old.. What's the qualification that a FM meets their death in RTW.exe?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-09-2009, 17:57
Random, as I already said. There's an age after which they have a random chance to die.
Cutewolf, damn, you got the best gen ever possible at 16 years old! KEEP HIM! cheat? maybe, i confess, but so cool! unfortunatly, as all my FM fight in first line WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION (apart for those with the coward trait... they're not worthy to die in battle for a sweboz) well... not a lot reach the age of 50, and if he does, he's a super ubber warmonger on the last level of that trait (yeah, the one that gives a miriad of bad trait, but makes you like a god on the battlefield!) and most die in battle... wich I don't mind because it's glorious! so cute Wolf... YOU HAVE THAT UBBER GEN worthy of a sweboz! he's of corse, worth a second life, generously offered by the gods!
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 18:09
@ Dugundiz
I dont know how to "cheat" and get more than 120 y old.... anyone with any clue how to control a FM's life and death would be great, ut that was completely random thing...
Your FM's gonna die in battle? poor thing... even when I play sweboz, the only reason that they die in a battle was my recklessness... (or their unusefulness), that's right a good general lead his men from the front, but lead his men against gaesatae is suicide, and lead his men to take frontal charge against phalanx is completely epic failure...
Lol! funny thing that most people on that forum thinks that I just throw my men against pike wall! It's silly! In fact i did it once and it was because I was boxed (in MP) and I had no other choice than trying my luck or dying without fighting!!! But I'm not a tactician as bad as to throw men away! neither I throw my FM on gaesate! Gaesate, I fight them bravely, with courage... from an archer range and a lot of amunition! Fighting with my gen on the first line dosen't mean i'll throw him on an elite unit with AP bonus!!!! but, of corse, on the first line, he's got more chances to be surrounded, and in those moments, dies in the glory of battle! but in all campains i did, although with dying rate surely higher than all those Roman and Greek administrators, I always had more than enough FMs!!!
Ghaust the Moor
06-09-2009, 18:56
That is a cool bug man. I would be so happy. Heheh
Darth Revan
06-09-2009, 19:32
That is a cool bug man. I would be so happy. Heheh
Does anyone else has also got the same bug ??????
I've just started a new Macedon campaign in EAEM....so I can't say whether I'll encounter it or not......
Cute Wolf
06-09-2009, 19:33
actually it was very rare one...
I got it once, though not in EB. In Fourth Age total war (BI.exe) you start with a 90 year old, and he was lucky enough to live to 120 and got reset.
Like previous people have said, it is just luck that someone lives to 120.
The death seems so random after 60++ years old.. What's the qualification that a FM meets their death in RTW.exe?
That's just it at the beginning of each turn there is a random chance that a 60+ character will die. So if one does die you can quit and reload the turn and get a different result for the same character. Theoretically you can keep a character from dying indefinitely by simply reloading turns that he dies in.
johnhughthom
06-09-2009, 23:10
Is there any way of changing that threshold, or is it hardcoded?
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wtf lol?
johnhughthom
06-09-2009, 23:53
You don't want to know.
Aemilius Paulus
06-10-2009, 00:22
You don't want to know.
I do. Someone please PM me *grin*.
Well, cannot blame me for being curious... Interesting how the instigator got a two-day vacation. Mod forums do not normally feature such moderation.
johnhughthom
06-10-2009, 00:38
It was simply a very graphic account of what he would do to a sixteen year old girl.
Andy1984
06-10-2009, 01:58
Lol! funny thing that most people on that forum thinks that I just throw my men against pike wall! It's silly! In fact i did it once and it was because I was boxed (in MP) and I had no other choice than trying my luck or dying without fighting!!! But I'm not a tactician as bad as to throw men away! neither I throw my FM on gaesate! Gaesate, I fight them bravely, with courage... from an archer range and a lot of amunition! Fighting with my gen on the first line dosen't mean i'll throw him on an elite unit with AP bonus!!!! but, of corse, on the first line, he's got more chances to be surrounded, and in those moments, dies in the glory of battle! but in all campains i did, although with dying rate surely higher than all those Roman and Greek administrators, I always had more than enough FMs!!!
Funny thing is, I hardly ever loose a FM in battle. I admit I love heavy cavalry generals, while I particularly despise Sweboz for that reason. But really loosing a FM in battle without having him sent on a suicide mission, that happens maybe once or twice in a campaign. I guess I use my generals the coward's way, which is ok to me and my FM's. :laugh4:
My love for my FM's is probably also the reason why I try not to ship them over the seas. Still, I never had one that lived up to a hundred years, for which I wish to blame these AI-assassins.
antisocialmunky
06-10-2009, 04:47
It was simply a very graphic account of what he would do to a sixteen year old girl.
Some retard 10 year old that wanted to sound like a pedophile.
http://koti.phnet.fi/jukhai/Dystopia/pedobear05.jpg
Funny thing is, I hardly ever loose a FM in battle. I admit I love heavy cavalry generals, while I particularly despise Sweboz for that reason. But really loosing a FM in battle without having him sent on a suicide mission, that happens maybe once or twice in a campaign. I guess I use my generals the coward's way, which is ok to me and my FM's. :laugh4:
My love for my FM's is probably also the reason why I try not to ship them over the seas. Still, I never had one that lived up to a hundred years, for which I wish to blame these damned assassins.
It's true, that with Sweboz, it's a different use of your general, as He's on foot, and, although a real killing machine, for isn't the equal of spartans, also on foot... But for the sake of roleplay, all my FMs MUST fight in first rank, although it's more dangerous, but prestige, glory, honor and even nobility, was aquiried, and kept, only by deeds on the battlefield, and not as much by bloodline, as, let say, more civilised people. I also love my FMs and i like really much to follow them in their evolution of traits, and play them according to them (like... not engaging him in battle when he's got the ''coward'' trait) But with all the battle experience they get in that way, it's generally hard to kill one of my FM, and impossible to rout the army because of all the moral he gives to his troops. Of corse, i've always let's say, 3 FM thgat I keep for my rich cities, so they, only, get good managment profile... still, i don't know how to roleplay them, as they're not cowards, but i'd not take the risk to send them in battle, as, with the ''mighty'' sweboz economy, only those High ranked management men gives me income!
Macilrille
06-10-2009, 08:38
Since the thread is now back on topic (stupid twat, I am the most jaded person here, no need for amateur explicits, there is a time for anything and the EB forum is not for such amateurish spoutings. I guess he was drunk).
Tacitus says, "In the day of battle, it is scandalous to the Prince to be surpassed in
feats of bravery, scandalous to his followers to fail in matching the
bravery of the Prince. But it is infamy during life, and indelible
reproach, to return alive from a battle where their Prince was slain.
To preserve their Prince, to defend him, and to ascribe to his glory all
their own valorous deeds, is the sum and most sacred part of their oath.
The Princes fight for victory; for the Prince his followers fight."
So Dugunz does play it right.
Archeology tells us that this was mostly the case in the west part of Germania, including Jutland. While in the eastern parts the warrior role was not as important, including Sjælland.
athanaric
06-10-2009, 12:04
It's true, that with Sweboz, it's a different use of your general, as He's on foot, and, although a real killing machine, for isn't the equal of spartans, also on foot...
Actually, Swêboz FMs got 18 morale, which is 1 point more than Spartans; plus, they're better vs. infantry. They make excellent assault troops (especially in early game), perfectly suited for taking and holding gates of wooden walls (don't use them on stone walls because your general has an odd habit of jumping off the wall, as I discovered, much to my dismay, when playing Saba). In this assault role, they are even better than KH generals (who have no swords) and Sabaean generals (who have no banner-bearer, which leaves your general more exposed to enemy fire).
Of corse, i've always let's say, 3 FM thgat I keep for my rich cities, so they, only, get good managment profile... still, i don't know how to roleplay them, as they're not cowards, but i'd not take the risk to send them in battle, as, with the ''mighty'' sweboz economy, only those High ranked management men gives me income!
Would you recommend Swêboz FMs governing (all kinds of) cities? I'm asking because I often wondered if they are any good for governing at all. I hate it when my governors become useless drunkards and ruin my economy, which happens quite a few times with Swêboz.
P.S.: sorry for commandeering the thread...
Macilrille
06-10-2009, 12:12
Sweboz + Tavern = paralytic trait as 36-year-old. I suspect it helps to not build the Tavern or "Tavern-slot-type-building".
Edited to add, as a "FM/General" of the "Vikingekampgruppen Ask", Sweboz subfaction I go to Iceland tomorrow for a Viking Market at a tavern built as a Viking stave church in the middle of Hafnafjordur (suburb of Reykjavik). In a week I and the others will be paralytic with drink, fighting and womanising ;-) I love Iceland and its people.
http://www.fjorukrain.is/fjorukrain/en/
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-10-2009, 13:50
Guys, while we appreciate your support for the action taken I must insist you not swear either. It's against .Org rules.
Would you recommend Swêboz FMs governing (all kinds of) cities? I'm asking because I often wondered if they are any good for governing at all. I hate it when my governors become useless drunkards and ruin my economy, which happens quite a few times with Swêboz.
P.S.: sorry for commandeering the thread...
euh... what about... NO!!! I just don't have the choice, as I'm sweboz! they're excellent warrior, as you stated yourself, but, although, as everybody, when left a long time in a city, they get lots of management, it takes more time to get it... they ALL ,without exception, get the trait ''bored'' thent goes to another one, where the FM say that governing is for women and to give him a job fitted for him (that is, killing people!!!) that gives bad trait and lower the influence. then, as Macilrille told it, the first year, your general get ''likes a drink'' the second year, he gets ''drunkard'' and tnhe third, he gets ''paralitic''... No need to say that your gen. isn't very useful when paralitic! and... almost all of them get paralitic when left long time in cities... FMs who are always campaining, get most of them the ''drunkard'' trait, but hehe, afterall, they're Sweboz!!!
Macilrille... I don't know why, but I just hate you since... since your last post that you'll attend such an event... and I caaaaaaaannnnnn't... Let me get paralitic with you and your gang!
Since the thread is now back on topic (stupid twat, I am the most jaded person here, no need for amateur explicits, there is a time for anything and the EB forum is not for such amateurish spoutings. I guess he was drunk).
Tacitus says, "In the day of battle, it is scandalous to the Prince to be surpassed in
feats of bravery, scandalous to his followers to fail in matching the
bravery of the Prince. But it is infamy during life, and indelible
reproach, to return alive from a battle where their Prince was slain.
To preserve their Prince, to defend him, and to ascribe to his glory all
their own valorous deeds, is the sum and most sacred part of their oath.
The Princes fight for victory; for the Prince his followers fight."
So Dugunz does play it right.
Archeology tells us that this was mostly the case in the west part of Germania, including Jutland. While in the eastern parts the warrior role was not as important, including Sjælland.
Two thumbs up!!! and more if only I had more humbs!
Cute Wolf
06-10-2009, 14:38
But in my opinion, KH bodyguards is a bit better than sweboz one... at least they could hold a phalanx, while the Sweboz will get almost suicide holdin phalanx from the front.
When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)
But in my opinion, KH bodyguards is a bit better than sweboz one... at least they could hold a phalanx, while the Sweboz will get almost suicide holdin phalanx from the front.
When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)
Haaa.... worthless taxers and bankers... How can you leave more than 3 FM in cities? THEY'RE SWEBOZ!!! They drink in the skulls of their ennemies, they fight on the first line! and even, historically, Proto-Germanic ''title'' of nobility got aquired by deeds on the battlefield, acclamation of the people and heroic acts... well I've 3 FM in cities... 13 campaining!!! all with accurate (most as possible, of corse) army! and they're all warmonger trait... and half are restless warmonger! and when they do nothing, i just leave them with their army in ennemy territory, rolaplaying campain ravaging, an , of corse, once a year, I leave with 3 small armies mostly of levies, all commanded by FMs, sack settelements, kill everybody, destroy everything, and return, peacefully, to my country!!! Haaa! the pleasure to be sweboz!
When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)
The problem I see (I don't cricticise, just say my opinion) is that you play sweboz exactly as KH should be roleplayed : lots of good managers, and when conquest season's comming up, you ''raise'' generals, wich would have been elected by the assembly... that's real good for KH or any Hellenic Faction, but not sweboz, as they're not commercent, like KH, or the later vikings (wich were as good trader as warrior) sweboz are pure warriors, in the essence of the therm, and their leaders (your FMs) must represent that, all fighting on the first line, more for their personal glory than for real conquest. (well, it's just an opinion!)
I'm thinking about starting a KH campiain after my Sweboz one... It'll be a radical change of roleplay!
Watchman
06-10-2009, 21:45
I don't think the "warlord" and "district manager" roles are particularly mutually exclusive, you know. Even Germanic war-chiefs could hardly be on the warpath *all* the time for entirely practical reasons already, and unless I'm mistaken their status came in no small part from being wealthy enough to equip and maintain their own "household" warriors (ie. the soldiers of the BG unit) they could take to the field with on a short notice...
Romantic fancy aside, that translates to owning and managing property.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-11-2009, 00:41
I don't think the "warlord" and "district manager" roles are particularly mutually exclusive, you know. Even Germanic war-chiefs could hardly be on the warpath *all* the time for entirely practical reasons already, and unless I'm mistaken their status came in no small part from being wealthy enough to equip and maintain their own "household" warriors (ie. the soldiers of the BG unit) they could take to the field with on a short notice...
Romantic fancy aside, that translates to owning and managing property.
Bingo, gift giving etc was a huge part of germanic culture, essential to status. Gifts were not just armlets, they were estates, cattle, horses. The Sweboz may have lacked a literate chancery but to suggest they could not manage estates and administer justice is to fall for a philhellenic sterotype of "barbarism".
Not to mention the fact that in general, throughout history, even the elite would rather not fight and risk dieing too often
I never said they couldn't manage their buisness! otherwise they'd never become the gifted traders they've been later on. I say that Aristocratie, nobility, was acquired by deeds of battle, and thus, not by a supreme management power! To say they weren't theunwashed barbarians the greeks believed they were is right, but to say they were the same administrator han Greeks or romans in order to take care of, or even offer estates, it's ridiculous! Because they were not able? no, but because it wasn't at all their society.
Cheers
Cute Wolf
06-15-2009, 06:20
This morning, Alexandros Aiakides passed away peacefully at 192 y old (72 y old...):shame: I'm ashamed that he only sit down in Emporion, waiting the Kart Hadast attack... without any real battle happned (read: full stack against full stack...) the Kart Hadast only throw some Iberians after all, and now he rest in peace... at least aiakides family line was still keep intact...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-15-2009, 14:42
I never said they couldn't manage their buisness! otherwise they'd never become the gifted traders they've been later on. I say that Aristocratie, nobility, was acquired by deeds of battle, and thus, not by a supreme management power! To say they weren't theunwashed barbarians the greeks believed they were is right, but to say they were the same administrator han Greeks or romans in order to take care of, or even offer estates, it's ridiculous! Because they were not able? no, but because it wasn't at all their society.
Cheers
I think you should read up on Hellenistic and Roman society, particually the Macedonian Kings; all of whom were either wounded or killed in battle.
Maion Maroneios
06-15-2009, 19:31
Not all Basileis, though many died brutal deaths.
Maion
TruePraetorian
06-15-2009, 20:59
Back to topic, I remember back in the good ol' vanilla you can make FM's survive by simply reloading the turn before they die and hit end turn again.
Got a 112 year old once like that.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-16-2009, 01:18
Not all Basileis, though many died brutal deaths.
Maion
You may be right, I can't think of a Macedonain that didn't take a sword in the thigh, or lose an eye though.
Back to topic, I remember back in the good ol' vanilla you can make FM's survive by simply reloading the turn before they die and hit end turn again.
Got a 112 year old once like that.
You can do it in EB, too. Mithradates Ktistes is currently 109 and counting.
Watchman
06-16-2009, 08:48
You may be right, I can't think of a Macedonain that didn't take a sword in the thigh, or lose an eye though.The Alexandrian "heroic leadership" approach tends to do that, I imagine.
Maion Maroneios
06-16-2009, 09:16
Well, there was a certain custom amongst Macedonian Kings, which had them lead the battle personally or else the rest of the army didn't put a single step forward. Not to mention that seeing your own King charge the enemy is bound to inspire you to at least run to help him, if not to at least proove themselves in battle.
Maion
Cute Wolf
06-16-2009, 10:16
Megas Alexandros does that action very well... but afterall, the Makedonian kings still think about the risk, and no one will throw themself in front of rows of sarrisae..... at least no one except that Sweboz guy... (Soory Duguntiz)
Maion Maroneios
06-16-2009, 11:46
Indeed. But I didn't say they charged head on, I said they took the first step towards the enemy army. That's completely different. They didn't act like the Mus family of the Romaioi :clown:
And as much as I hate to say, what you say about the Germanoi (in general) is true. No wonder nobody bothers going into those damned forests of theirs.
Maion
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