View Full Version : amsterdam-drugs legal or not?
Prussian to the Iron
06-15-2009, 22:09
i remember reading something about a drug ban in holland, and was wondering the extent of it/ if it is true.
please only reply if you live in amsterdam/holland currently
Kadagar_AV
06-15-2009, 22:12
Was no problem 2 weeks ago :)
Hooahguy
06-15-2009, 22:20
backroom
It is legal to buy weed. Certain types of mushrooms were forbidden, they are called paddo's in Dutch (from the word "paddestoel", which means mushroom)
You can use weed:
-At home
-At certain designated places (in cannabis coffee shops, as they are called)
I heard that is is actually illegal, but the authorities don't actually prosecute. That is being the difference.
In Portugal, it is actually legal.
I heard that is is actually illegal, but the authorities don't actually prosecute. That is being the difference.
In Portugal, it is actually legal.
Sums it up. We have a word for it 'gedogen', which means not enforcing the law when it doesn't suit us. The Netherlands is a bit of an odd country when it comes to certain things, as long as it's practical it doesn't have to make sense, dutch logic.
AlexanderSextus
06-16-2009, 04:08
It is illegal to possess more than 5 grams outside the home.
it is also illegal to sell weed, so the way that the coffee shops get their weed is illegal, but once they have it in the store, it's legal.
oh, sorry btw i'm not from NL, but i am well researched on the subject as i am the self-proclaimed Marijuana Activist on The Org.
LittleGrizzly
06-16-2009, 05:55
Sums it up. We have a word for it 'gedogen', which means not enforcing the law when it doesn't suit us. The Netherlands is a bit of an odd country when it comes to certain things, as long as it's practical it doesn't have to make sense, dutch logic.
Im guessing the English phrase for it would be decriminalised. Not legal but not prosecuted either...
Edit: Distant dream that British politicians would ever be so practical on the issue...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-16-2009, 10:26
Sums it up. We have a word for it 'gedogen', which means not enforcing the law when it doesn't suit us. The Netherlands is a bit of an odd country when it comes to certain things, as long as it's practical it doesn't have to make sense, dutch logic.
Im guessing the English phrase for it would be decriminalised. Not legal but not prosecuted either...
Edit: Distant dream that British politicians would ever be so practical on the issue...
No, decriminalised would mean it was legal. At no point has Canabis been "decriminalised" over here.
Prussian to the Iron
06-16-2009, 14:28
It is illegal to possess more than 5 grams outside the home.
it is also illegal to sell weed, so the way that the coffee shops get their weed is illegal, but once they have it in the store, it's legal.
oh, sorry btw i'm not from NL, but i am well researched on the subject as i am the self-proclaimed Marijuana Activist on The Org.
Thanks!:2thumbsup: thats exactly the answer i needed.
please don't c,lose until i ask tho: i need to show my friend so he'll stop arguing about it.
Thanks!:2thumbsup: thats exactly the answer i needed.
please don't c,lose until i ask tho: i need to show my friend so he'll stop arguing about it.
Also in the coffeeshops it isn't legal, it is just allowed. It's illegal to have even 1 gram of weed, also in your home. If you have more than 5 grams the assumption is that you have it to sell, but in reality no charges will be put against you. Same with coke and XTC, if you only have a small amount it will just be confiscated, usually you can keep it, depends on the cop really.
No, decriminalised would mean it was legal. At no point has Canabis been "decriminalised" over here.
I'm pretty sure decriminalization does not equate to making something legal. IIRC, all it means is that police stop targeting people with a low amount of the said substance/not for profit transfers and go after the big sellers/growers.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-16-2009, 16:09
I'm pretty sure decriminalization does not equate to making something legal. IIRC, all it means is that police stop targeting people with a low amount of the said substance/not for profit transfers and go after the big sellers/growers.
Over here decriminalisation means declassifying the drug so it is legal.
Banquo's Ghost
06-16-2009, 18:58
Over here decriminalisation means declassifying the drug so it is legal.
I'm not sure that you are correct.
IIRC, when cannabis was reclassified downwards, this meant possession was decriminalised. This did not make the drug legal, but removed criminal sanctions for being caught with it. In other words, possession meant one could be cautioned, or fined at worst - which are civil law punishments, not criminal.
Over here decriminalisation means declassifying the drug so it is legal.
What you mean is that THC is illegal de jure as the law still says it, but de facto it's legal since noone applies that law anymore.
The Dutch Opium Act in accordence with the EU states clearly that everything with the hemp plant is illigal except for the seeds.
Again, the difference lies between de jure and de facto. Bottom line; It's illegal, but tolerated.
AlexanderSextus
06-19-2009, 06:56
It's illegal to have even 1 gram of weed
So how is it that you can smoke openly? Do cops actually fine ppl for smoking weed?
Dutch law is weird, it just so happens the weirdness of dutch law benefits a cannabis connoisseur like me.
So how is it that you can smoke openly? Do cops actually fine ppl for smoking weed?
Nope, tourists love asking them for a light. It's really not that complicated, it's illegal, but the law isn't enforced, so you can do as you please. But don't think about smoking one on a commercial terras, or where there are many kids, that is not done, you will be asked to leave. In parks, streets, beaches, no problem.
Nope, tourists love asking them for a light. It's really not that complicated, it's illegal, but the law isn't enforced, so you can do as you please. But don't think about smoking one on a commercial terras, or where there are many kids, that is not done, you will be asked to leave. In parks, streets, beaches, no problem.
I wish I was Dutch
Nope, tourists love asking them for a light. It's really not that complicated, it's illegal, but the law isn't enforced, so you can do as you please. But don't think about smoking one on a commercial terras, or where there are many kids, that is not done, you will be asked to leave. In parks, streets, beaches, no problem.
Did that in Belgium too...:laugh4:
Did that in Belgium too...:laugh4:
In reality the police in just about every western-european country (minus England) is pretty relaxed. Public smoking or having a few grams of weed won't get you into trouble anywhere, also in France and Spain who have a reputation for tough police they will just take it from you, dealing it is another matter but so is it here. The Netherlands is no drug-paradise it only has the name really, a brand to lure tourists.
In reality the police in just about every western-european country (minus England) is pretty relaxed. Public smoking or having a few grams of weed won't get you into trouble anywhere, also in France and Spain who have a reputation for tough police they will just take it from you, dealing it is another matter but so is it here. The Netherlands is no drug-paradise it only has the name really, a brand to lure tourists.
Ah well they didn't find it too funny really. Smoking weed outside normally shouldn't cost you, but they do confiscate it and stuff.
But then again I even puked on a policemen's shoes ones and got a way with it. It wasn't really intentional of course, but I was just drunk as hell. Ah you gotta love college!:laugh4:
AlexanderSextus
06-23-2009, 03:23
i was told by my tour guide in italy that they will lock you up for one joint.
he was from rome, so i took his word for it and didnt try to buy any weed.
i was told by my tour guide in italy that they will lock you up for one joint.
he was from rome, so i took his word for it and didnt try to buy any weed.
You shouldn't buy any weed in a city like Rome, or any city you don't have connections in for that matter. They just go to an alley or something out of plain view, wait for you to take out your money, then they grasp it, take their knives out or just plainly run away. In fact it's better not to even buy weed on the street at all. Weed from the street is usually junk anyway. With chemicals and glass on it.
Kralizec
06-23-2009, 11:19
I can't say that I'm a fan of the current drugs policy. Cannabis should be legalised entirely.
On a national level, the justice system won't prosecute owners of "coffeeshops" provided that they don't have an inventory exceeding 500 grams. So far so good. But on the local level, mayors often refuse to allow coffeeshops for concerns of "public order".
In Terneuzen, a town near the border with Belgium, they had the marvelous idea of only allowing two of them as that would certainly do away with all the problems associated with drug tourism. Result: the demand for the stuff didn't drop whatsoever and the two existing shops had to expand to keep up. When the police noticed that one of them had more than 500 grams under the counter the owner was arrested.
In reality the police in just about every western-european country (minus England) is pretty relaxed. Public smoking or having a few grams of weed won't get you into trouble anywhere, also in France and Spain who have a reputation for tough police they will just take it from you, dealing it is another matter but so is it here.
This isn't true.
The UK police are fairly unconcerned about personal possession. They can give you a fine or a caution. Often they just tell you to keep it in your own home.
French police are far more severe.
Spain you are allowed to grow a certain amount yourself without any problems.
This isn't true.
The UK police are fairly unconcerned about personal possession. They can give you a fine or a caution. Often they just tell you to keep it in your own home.
My bad, just parroting
AlexanderSextus
06-23-2009, 23:44
With chemicals and glass on it.
JEEZ! I know weed can have chemicals on it, and that is pretty easy to detect because you will know that it doesn't smell right but, glass!? Dealers in the US would call you a scumbag for doin that to someone.
This kind of crap is why it should be legal. I don't care if someone is against pot, you should at least have the common sense to realize that it is better that people can enjoy a little cheebah without it being that much WORSE due to pieces of :egypt: that do stuff like that.
AlexanderSextus
06-23-2009, 23:45
This isn't true.
The UK police are fairly unconcerned about personal possession. They can give you a fine or a caution. Often they just tell you to keep it in your own home.
French police are far more severe.
Spain you are allowed to grow a certain amount yourself without any problems.
I thought Cannabis is Class B in the UK now...Did it get reclassified back down to C?
LittleGrizzly
06-23-2009, 23:46
I got done once, got Ferns instead, but a few other times i got some in a foriegn country and it was ok.... the worst i have had is some chalky substances in there... or sprayed with sugar...
Im fairly sure a while ago it went down to C then recently it went back up to a class B... but the punishments stayed the same...
So it was a bit of a show for the media...
JEEZ! I know weed can have chemicals on it, and that is pretty easy to detect because you will know that it doesn't smell right but, glass!? Dealers in the US would call you a scumbag for doin that to someone.
This kind of crap is why it should be legal. I don't care if someone is against pot, you should at least have the common sense to realize that it is better that people can enjoy a little cheebah without it being that much WORSE due to pieces of :egypt: that do stuff like that.
Yupp small bits of glass to look like it'd have more THC crystals. It's quite bad for you're lungs but, it's not like you'll die from a few joints with the glass crystals though. It's still relatively clean compared to what people put in hard drugs.
AlexanderSextus
06-25-2009, 05:35
once my cousin gets off of probation (for weed at that) i want to go to amsterdam with him and my other cousin but it's like $2500 for 3 round trip tickets. anybody know how i could get tickets for a cheaper price??
once my cousin gets off of probation (for weed at that) i want to go to amsterdam with him and my other cousin but it's like $2500 for 3 round trip tickets. anybody know how i could get tickets for a cheaper price??
Amsterdam is expensive as hell without the plane tickets. If you don't have a sizeable chunk of change, I wouldn't bother going.
Got a location for you, free of charge for orgahs.
LittleGrizzly
06-25-2009, 17:42
Frag = top guy !
Me and my friends were considering a trip out there, its a bit cheaper from the UK thankfully, all depends on how quickly Grizz can get a job though...
Frag = top guy !
Me and my friends were considering a trip out there, its a bit cheaper from the UK thankfully, all depends on how quickly Grizz can get a job though...
Invitation is natually open for you as well, no problem. Not in centre though, 20 minutes or so. Friend of mine has a castle near Utrecht 3 guys is no problem.
InsaneApache
06-25-2009, 18:48
Hey Frag you could give them a lift into town on your boat! :beam: Great shout BTW. :2thumbsup:
LittleGrizzly
06-25-2009, 18:49
Ohh that wasn't me inviting myself, just pointing out what a nice guy you are...
I would probably take up the offer if my friends weren't going as well...would feel responsible for thier actions (not that they would do anything) but the offer is most appreciated!!
Maybe some point in the future ill take it up :)
Hey Frag you could give them a lift into town on your boat! :beam:
Yes I can hehe
world=mine
AlexanderSextus
06-25-2009, 23:59
Got a location for you, free of charge for orgahs.
WORD!
just expect me to be REALLY high when you see me tho.
WORD!
just expect me to be REALLY high when you see me tho.
Not my place, friend of mine, just let me know in time. Amsterdam isn't that terribly expensive as some say though, it's packed with cheap hostels and restaurants, expect to spend 100 euro a day or so.
AlexanderSextus
06-26-2009, 10:52
Not my place, friend of mine,
Well watever when i finally get out there we're still gonna chill, burn a L, maybe play some EB and go see the sights. and then we'll burn another L or 3.
In Amsterdam I think the use is just condoned..it´s not really legal.
now over here possession for consumption is indeed de-criminalized...
now...another question...which one of these birds is from Amsterdam?
:laugh4:
I've had a similar experience.
Edit: Post doesn't make sense since there is no picture.
Kralizec
06-29-2009, 17:28
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis#Portugal]From wiki:[/quote]
Personal consumption limit is 2.5 gram per day of marijuana[citation needed] and 0.5 gram per day[citation needed] of hashish. One may possess not more than 10 daily doses, otherwise it may be categorized as trafficking. Consumption still has a penalty that may be a fine or other penalty. Cultivation, even if for personal use, is still totally illegal and cultivation of even one plant is assumed to indicate involvement with trafficking. Possession of seeds is also illegal and despite there being several "head shops" or "grow shops" in Portugal, they are not allowed to sell seeds. It is also true that the number of grow shops has increased over the past few years, which seems to indicate that cultivation for personal use (in Portuguese: auto-cultivo) is becoming a more common practice. There is also a forum, named hortadacouve, formed by people who cultivate for personal use.
It is very common in Portugal to see young people smoking in concerts and other party areas. There has also been, in the last decade, an increase of cafés where it is possible to smoke, although it is never an "open" experience, because there is still a lot of intolerance to public consumption of cannabis as a day to day practice.
The 2006 Global Marijuana March (Portuguese: Marcha Global da Marijuana) was celebrated for the first time in Lisbon and in 2007 both Lisbon and Porto celebrated it.
So it's legal to posses it, but the process of growing it isn't...
Over here sale and possession are openly tolerated and condoned, but growing it isn't either - the current policy seems to assume that coffeeshops can magically generate new stock whenever needed. :dizzy2:
What's the reason why marijana and hashish are treated differently in Portugal?
Not my place, friend of mine, just let me know in time. Amsterdam isn't that terribly expensive as some say though, it's packed with cheap hostels and restaurants, expect to spend 100 euro a day or so.
You mean ~100 Euro a day on Stroopwafels alone.
AlexanderSextus
06-29-2009, 20:18
You mean ~100 Euro a day on Stroopwafels alone.
i'd prolly spend 100 euro a day on WEED man.
whats a stroopwafel?
whats a stroopwafel?
Drives the tourists just as crazy. Sort of a biscuit, crunchy wafles with lukewarm mollases between it. Not my thing I don't like sugary food the proper thing to eat when visiting Holland is a herring or you have never been really here, it's a test of faith.
AlexanderSextus
06-30-2009, 04:31
Drives the tourists just as crazy. Sort of a biscuit, crunchy wafles with lukewarm mollases between it. Not my thing I don't like sugary food the proper thing to eat when visiting Holland is a herring or you have never been really here, it's a test of faith.
I'd eat the herring! there's not much food i don't like, i'll even eat brussels sprouts if they are cooked right.
In america we have this thing called a Boardwalk Sandwich,(because they serve them at the shore) it's kindof a Thing here in New Jersey, you take two waffles, hot out of the iron or toaster, drizzle a little chocolate on them, and put Neapolitan Ice Cream on one and Smash the other waffle down on it.
The combination of hot waffle and ice cold ice cream is the epitome of win.
For the best coffeeshops, prices and quality of weed, go to the outskirts of Amsterdam, or to Rotterdam, Utrech, Leiden or the Hague. Central Amsterdam coffeeshops are tourist traps.
Also another thing to make it all cheaper is to take a tent and camp. There are lots of campsites around Holland.
Campsites are pretty expensive, in a country like the Netherlands people pay good money for a little bit of quiet. Totally agree with not buying weed in the centre, should be tourist common sense. Haarlem is very close to Amsterdam, greatlooking town, good coffeeshops. Don't skip the red lights destrict, it's the prettiest part.
AlexanderSextus
07-01-2009, 05:41
For the best coffeeshops, prices and quality of weed, go to the outskirts of Amsterdam, or to Rotterdam, Utrech, Leiden or the Hague. Central Amsterdam coffeeshops are tourist traps.
Also another thing to make it all cheaper is to take a tent and camp. There are lots of campsites around Holland.
There is only one coffeeshop that i want to visit in Amsterdam and that is the GREY AREA, because it is owned by american Expats. I hear that the Grey Mist Strain that they carry is very good as well.
There is only one coffeeshop that i want to visit in Amsterdam and that is the GREY AREA, because it is owned by american Expats. I hear that the Grey Mist Strain that they carry is very good as well.
It's small and somewhat overhyped tbh. You may well get there and think "is this it?"
In central 'Dam Dutch Flowers does some nice weed, but the owner is a notorious :daisy:.
Top tip for visiting the Netherlands - hire a bike and get out on the cycle paths.
Yeah it isn't like there aren't any accidents on almost daily bases with cycling tourists, ting ting ting, that would be a tram
useful site for people considering a visit
http://channels.nl/
Yeah well - you dutchies are just going to have to get used to cycling tourists :p I know you love us really.
Yeah well - you dutchies are just going to have to get used to cycling tourists :p I know you love us really.
Uhm, well
Prodigal
07-03-2009, 19:51
Yeah it isn't like there aren't any accidents on almost daily bases with cycling tourists, ting ting ting, that would be a tram
useful site for people considering a visit
http://channels.nl/
*cough*A few words for the poor pedestrian...Those would be the silent killer trams, that only ding in the final moments giving you milliseconds to dodge off the tracks into the path of a bunch of crazed swooping bikes, which if you're adrenalin/survival instinct has managed to kick in gives you nanoseconds to hurl yourself into the inveitable dog poop that acts as the universes ultimatly horrifying lubricant as it sends your amped, frinctionless, and screaming body head first into the canal.
AlexanderSextus
07-05-2009, 12:56
so the netherlands has banned tobacco in coffeeshops. Does this mean i wouldn't be able to smoke a blunt there?
(a balloon to the first european who knows what a blunt is.)
Well yeah, you don't put any tabac in a blunt after all. But no you can't smoke tabaco. Where I live the smoking ban is just ignored, but Amsterdam is a socialist town and that means ABSOLUTE CONTROL. It's just not a very fun city anymore, can't even drink a beer standing (for whatever reason as I said it's a socialist town) because the owner of the establishment will be fined, if a bar gets caught multiple times he must close his door for a week, and because it is a socialist town the stasi is everywhere, photographing everyone from their blinded cars. Very hard for the owners, you try explaining people that it is VERBOTEN to drink while standing.
CountArach
07-05-2009, 13:31
Amsterdam is a socialist town and that means ABSOLUTE CONTROL.
Must... not... bite...
Must... not... bite...
oh common it's there for a reason
AlexanderSextus
07-05-2009, 16:15
a blunt is when you empty a cigar and then roll your weed in it.
OH REALLY
There is no tabaco in it since it has been emptied :yes:
AlexanderSextus
07-05-2009, 17:06
OH REALLY
There is no tabaco in it since it has been emptied :yes:
so the tobacco leaf on the cigar does not count?
so the tobacco leaf on the cigar does not count?
No they even sell blunt wraps, with all kinds of flavors (avoid them like the plague, tastes chemical)
AlexanderSextus
07-06-2009, 13:31
No they even sell blunt wraps, with all kinds of flavors (avoid them like the plague, tastes chemical)
I like blunt wraps they taste good. especially when you roll good haze in them.
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