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Veho Nex
06-15-2009, 23:20
Teen charged in Miami's 19 serial cat killings (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/15/florida.cat.killer.arrest/index.html)
He could face a maximum of 158 years in state prison if convicted on all counts, said Terry Shavez, spokeswoman for the state attorney's office.
Oh, what an :daisy:. I think that cruelty to this magnitude on animals shows signs of something worse later on in life.
rasoforos
06-15-2009, 23:23
No doubt. Good that he was caught.
Hosakawa Tito
06-15-2009, 23:29
Another Jeffery Dahmer in training. If he's guilty he deserves what he gets.
Lord Winter
06-16-2009, 00:34
Messed up yeah, but I'm a little uncomfortable giving him life just for killing cats.
LOCK THE :daisy: OUT OF HIM FOR GOOD! :daisy: CAT KILLER!
Cats are the most adorable animals in the entire world. He'd get the death penalty, if it was up to me.
It's been demonstrated by several studies that animal cruelty is the single biggest indicator of violence toward humans later in life. Not video games, not abusive parents, not comic books, not sexual "deviancy." If you want to find the rapist/murderer of tomorrow, look at the animal abuser of today.
It's been demonstrated by several studies that animal cruelty is the single biggest indicator of violence toward humans later in life. Not video games, not abusive parents, not comic books, not sexual "deviancy." If you want to find the rapist/murderer of tomorrow, look at the animal abuser of today.
Reminds me of Disney movies when they have the "evil kid" hurting insects then grow up to be like that.
Hooahguy
06-16-2009, 01:31
does this have something to do with the thread about cats in the frontroom?
KukriKhan
06-16-2009, 02:11
Weinman, who works odd jobs but spends most of his time at home and unemployed, had been a person of interest for several weeks, Miller said. He was arrested Saturday.
I wonder what made Mr. Weinman a "person of interest"?
Veho Nex
06-16-2009, 03:30
does this have something to do with the thread about cats in the frontroom?
No nothing, saw this article posted in the dark corners of the internet needed to bring it to light.
Cats are the most adorable animals in the entire world. He'd get the death penalty, if it was up to me.
Besides the adorable part, I 100% agree with you, I think he should have been shot for what he did. We need to bring back execution by firing squad for sickos like this.
Slight overeaction maybe? I don't know the standard prison term for 4 burglary charges, and he has previous, but life in-prisonment for killing cats seems harsh to me.
Samurai Waki
06-16-2009, 03:50
Besides the adorable part, I 100% agree with you, I think he should have been shot for what he did. We need to bring back execution by firing squad for sickos like this.
I think the firing squad wouldn't make the cats feel any happier, therefore I propose he should be tied to a post, and be covered with catnip in a cage full of rabies infested psycho cats. Death by Feline seems most appropriate.
A Terribly Harmful Name
06-16-2009, 03:51
Misdemeanor at the very best.
Hooahguy
06-16-2009, 03:53
I think the firing squad wouldn't make the cats feel any happier, therefore I propose he should be tied to a post, and be covered with catnip in a cage full of rabies infested psycho cats. Death by Feline seems most appropriate.
sorry, 8th amendment.
Veho Nex
06-16-2009, 04:03
Misdemeanor at the very best.
Misdemeanor huh? Why would you say that?
I believe they aren't just charging him for the killing of cats but of the traumatic sights that the families and possibly even the kids are exposed too.
sorry, 8th amendment.
Constitution isn't relative.
Crazed Rabbit
06-16-2009, 05:23
Constitution isn't relative.
It is when cruel and unusual punishments are being suggested.
CR
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-16-2009, 05:36
Slight overeaction maybe? I don't know the standard prison term for 4 burglary charges, and he has previous, but life in-prisonment for killing cats seems harsh to me.
Why? A man has tortured and killed nineteen cats. I don't care how much value you put on an animal's life, that is completely unacceptable and he should receive life in prison.
Lord Winter
06-16-2009, 05:41
So your arguing that killing cats should have stricter punishment then rape?
I would hate to be Chinese right about now in this thread.
Not an insult to anyone from that nation, but you do serve cuisine containing cat. In South China, the Cantonese actually have a dish called "The Battle Between the Tiger and the Dragon." The ingredients? Cat ("tiger") and snake ("dragon"). It is a strange cultural thing in the west, people object to cats being killed, while next minute, having their chicken drumsticks from KFC.
serial killer in the making. Maybe he has severe psychological issues, well most probably. These aren't normal crimes, off to the padded walls for a while. Or give him to me. Life in prison because of cats is rediculous though.
Megas Methuselah
06-16-2009, 08:18
Why? A man has tortured and killed nineteen cats. I don't care how much value you put on an animal's life, that is completely unacceptable and he should receive life in prison.
I've killed four mice this past winter when they tried making a home out of my house. One was pregnant.
You plan on sentencing me to 10 years for this, mister Judge-on-your-high-throne?
LittleGrizzly
06-16-2009, 08:36
Err, do you see a slight difference between removing a pest from your house and torturing and killing a cat ?!
Sick as hell, i absolutely adore cats they are the cutest things around....
Saying that the possible sentence seems a little high.... if he as i suspect is seriously messed up in the head he needs to go to an institution until he is fixed or dead...
If he isn't wrong in the head in someway then a few years in prison is required at least...
Megas Methuselah
06-16-2009, 08:43
Err, do you see a slight difference between removing a pest from your house and torturing and killing a cat ?!
Sick as hell, i absolutely adore cats they are the cutest things around....
Saying that the possible sentence seems a little high.... if he as i suspect is seriously messed up in the head he needs to go to an institution until he is fixed or dead...
If he isn't wrong in the head in someway then a few years in prison is required at least...
I'll wait until the next kid comes by and starts telling me how cute mice are.
I used my hockey stick for the most part. You have to hit them quick just to stun them for a moment, then use the time to take a slapshot and send them hurling against the wall. Then you can start hacking them until they're dead, or maybe just step on them and hear all the bones break beneath your heel. I've never personally stepped on any, but it was a favourite of my grampa's back on the reserve.
Anyways, yes, this kid killed a bunch of cats. Go ahead, mourn their deaths, cry in a corner. But he should be sent to a mental institution for rehabilitation, not a prison (where he'll no doubt be raped over and over by the men coldly abandoned by an uncaring society).
Veho Nex
06-16-2009, 08:44
It is when cruel and unusual punishments are being suggested.
CR
I'm using it in the other sense. You can change a constitution.
Also its not just that he killed them. Its that he took other peoples cats tortured and mutilated them. Then he left them there I guess, since the article talks about how the families would find the mutilated bodies.
LittleGrizzly
06-16-2009, 08:55
I'll wait until the next kid comes by and starts telling me how cute mice are.
I think mice are cute... and i actively go out of my way to avoid killing most insects... i haven't killed one purposely for years and will only kill one if its being a major major pest...
But that being said this kid killed and tortured 19 cats for fun.... not because they were a pest in his house or because they carry diseases but he delighted in thier crys for pain...
If someone acted the same way about mice i would be equally worried, not killing mice but purposely torturing them to death for his own sick pleasure... it would just be easier to get away with by claiming the mice are pests you are removing...
Megas Methuselah
06-16-2009, 09:02
I'm wondering if you even read my post.
Anyways, yes, this kid killed a bunch of cats. Go ahead, mourn their deaths, cry in a corner. But he should be sent to a mental institution for rehabilitation, not a prison (where he'll no doubt be raped over and over by the men coldly abandoned by an uncaring society).
Also:
Its that he took other peoples cats tortured and mutilated them.
Ok. I'll go stomp 19 front-yard gardens in my neighbourhood and make some housewives angry. Sentence me to life.
LittleGrizzly
06-16-2009, 09:11
Im my post you quoted i mentioned i thought he should be sent to an institution... so that pretty much covered that part...
Your cry in the corner thing seemed like a bit of an over exageration but i kind of answered that when i said i think mice are cute to but theres a bit of a difference between killing a pest and purposefully torturing an animal for your own sick pleasure...
Your stomping 19 front yard gardens thing doesn't make sense... was there supposed to be a mention of mice in there ?
If you were abducting othern peoples pet mice and torturing them in a similar manner and to a similar scale as this guy then yes i would want you locked up...
I killed some flies yesterday...
:creep:
I heard you were the .org Mafia in disguise :O
Meneldil
06-16-2009, 12:00
Little sickos like him deserve nothing but death.
He would have killed mice, frogs, toads or anything else, I would have said the same. Enjoying to torture and slowly put to death others living beings is despisable.
Shot him or lock him up with bad guys, that'll teach him.
Ok. I'll go stomp 19 front-yard gardens in my neighbourhood and make some housewives angry. Sentence me to life.
:sweatdrop:
This kid is pretty messed up in the head if he actually did all of what he's charged with. I'm not sure a life sentence is the right thing, but considering what's he has been charged with maybe it's not such a bad thing.:shrug:
Hosakawa Tito
06-16-2009, 12:51
I killed some flies yesterday...
:creep:
Yes, but did you pull their wings and legs off them first.:smash:
I wonder what made Mr. Weinman a "person of interest"?
I'd like to know the answer to that myself. Was anyone else involved, and/or did the accused talk or brag to friends about this? Were the cats the target or the cat owners or both? He didn't just torture/mutilate and kill them, he also left them on display for the owners to find. Maximize the cruelty and pain inflicted, pretty sick indeed.
I doubt very much he'll get a life sentence. Law enforcement spokesmen frequently toss out that kind of "we're tough on crime" verbage, but the actual sentence is usually much less. However, this young man definitely needs long term professional help or his next victims might be humans.
rory_20_uk
06-16-2009, 14:31
I'm an unashamed cat lover.
Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.
~:smoking:
I'm an unashamed cat lover.
Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.
~:smoking:
I would hate to think what the punishment would be for abortion.
I'm an unashamed cat lover.
same. If someone would do that to my cat I would kill him if I had the chance, or at least hurt him very badly.
But life in prison, we have padded walls for the mentally unstable. Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all. If there is no improvement he is where he belongs, the nuthouse.
Meneldil
06-16-2009, 15:17
But life in prison, we have padded walls for the mentally unstable. Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all. If there is no improvement he is where he belongs, the nuthouse.
When you go that far at that age, there's no help or hope. When people are ****** up beyond sanity, they cannot go back.
When you go that far at that age, there's no help or hope. When people are ****** up beyond sanity, they cannot go back.
Maybe, but if you take a little distance, should someone who kills cats do life in prison it are animals we kill them every day, he's a sick puppy but I think the charges against him are rediculous. Bit like the animal right thread, what good are rights you can't understand, it aren't any real rights he has broken to me. Life in prison for cats? Not that don't I think 'muahahaha rot' mind you. He should be locked away for sure, but criminal charges aren't the way to go here imho.
Kadagar_AV
06-16-2009, 15:46
Sounds more like a case for the mental institution to me...
I mean... 158 years for having killed 19 chickens?
Rats?
Bats?
Cows?
I know cats are all cute and stuff...
But since when did we organize the law after how cute the victim was?
But since when did we organize the law after how cute the victim was?
Once again, the single most reliable predictor of violent behavior toward humans is violence toward animals. So it's not a question of how cute and fluffy the victim is, rather it's a question of what do you do with someone who has a very high likelihood of hurting other human beings down the line.
I know some U.S. states have begun programs of mandatory anger management and counseling for people convicted of animal abuse. Seems pretty sensible to this lemur.
Once again, the single most reliable predictor of violent behavior toward humans is violence toward animals. So it's not a question of how cute and fluffy the victim is, rather it's a question of what do you do with someone who has a very high likelihood of hurting other human beings down the line.
And that is why he shouldn't be on the streets but in the nuthouse, the only consideration should be protecting society. But criminal charges, that is rediculous. Think of what the PETA will do with it for example.
atheotes
06-16-2009, 17:43
whoa... a lot of people are over reacting... what he did is despicable... but i think he should be sent for rehabilitation not for a life in prison.
Killing cats not equal to murdering a human... otherwise we would all have to become vegan or accept cannibalism :bow:
Err, do you see a slight difference between removing a pest from your house and torturing and killing a cat ?!
Sick as hell, i absolutely adore cats they are the cutest things around...
Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia, destroying ecosystems and devastating native wildlife populations. Kill them all and do the world a favour I say. I would applaud anyone who kills cats. If I see cats, rabbits, cane toads or any other pest on the roads I will try to hit them rather than swerve to avoid them.
I'm an unashamed cat lover.
Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.
~:smoking:
Read above ^ Letting cats live in any circumstance, in my book would warrant punishment. I realise with their popularity as pets this will never happen, but I strongly believe that pet cats should be kept locked up, think about it, no responsible dog owner lets their dog roam free. Keeping dogs locked in a yard is an accepted norm but letting those horrible pests wander free to do and kill as they please is also an accepted norm. This is why I hate cat lovers.
And that is why he shouldn't be on the streets but in the nuthouse, the only consideration should be protecting society. But criminal charges, that is rediculous.
I agree. While I encourage killing cats, it is the tourture and then leaving the bodies where the families could find them that is the worry. Put him in a white padded cell and leave him there until his problems are sorted, if this actually turns out to be a life sentence then so be it, but life imprisonment is going to far.
Yes, but did you pull their wings and legs off them first.:smash
You mean making a walk? You need to leave the legs on for that. I used to like doing that as a kid :grin:
A Terribly Harmful Name
06-16-2009, 18:58
What happened to my post :inquisitive:?
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-16-2009, 21:40
So your arguing that killing cats should have stricter punishment then rape?
One rape vs. nineteen tortured and killed cats, four cases of burglary? Sentences stack, so it would make sense. One rape should not have the same sentence as one tortured and killed cat, but nineteen, and burglary? At least.
If you are fussed about it, raise the rape sentence.
I've killed four mice this past winter when they tried making a home out of my house. One was pregnant.
You plan on sentencing me to 10 years for this, mister Judge-on-your-high-throne?
The two really do not relate. At all. Even close. Did you kill some pests, or did you kill nineteen animals that other people owned, some of them by skinning to death? Yeah, thought so.
Ok. I'll go stomp 19 front-yard gardens in my neighbourhood and make some housewives angry. Sentence me to life.
Please try to understand the point we're making. Unless you see nothing remotely wrong with skinning a cat alive.
Reverend Joe
06-16-2009, 22:01
I think the "cute animals" reaction needs to be held back for a moment. My first reaction was not to the murder, but the serial torturing of animals, and personally that's what really scares me about this kid. It indicates a pathological urge to enjoy and revel in the pain, suffering and eventual death of living beings. That means that this kid is eventually going to start killing humans once dumb beasts don't give him enough pleasure anymore.
Yes, I know imprisonment seems extreme at first to some people ("they're just cats, not people") but the problem is, with people like this, it WILL be people, and probably fairly soon. I will grant that he should have serious psychological treatment, though; but still, I wouldn't feel safe if he were ever released into general society. People with this kind of mentality are unable to function normally because of their basic instincts.
I'll wait until the next kid comes by and starts telling me how cute mice are.
I used my hockey stick for the most part. You have to hit them quick just to stun them for a moment, then use the time to take a slapshot and send them hurling against the wall. Then you can start hacking them until they're dead, or maybe just step on them and hear all the bones break beneath your heel. I've never personally stepped on any, but it was a favourite of my grampa's back on the reserve.
Anyways, yes, this kid killed a bunch of cats. Go ahead, mourn their deaths, cry in a corner. But he should be sent to a mental institution for rehabilitation, not a prison (where he'll no doubt be raped over and over by the men coldly abandoned by an uncaring society).
There's nothing wrong with killing disease-carrying pests. In fact, my first instinct would be to stomp them as soon as you stun them; it's messy, but quick and effective. But on the other hand, if you caught mice and slowly tortured them to death, this would indicate some serious problems on your part.
LittleGrizzly
06-16-2009, 22:03
Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia
Sure, its pretty simple. Removing pests fine. Torturing animals for your own sick amusement, not fine.
I said i absolutely adore cats but i don't think my opinion on cats should effect the law, as i see it he's being locked up for enjoying torturing animals for his own sadistic pleasure then because they were cats.... also the sentence mentioned is just the culmative sentence he could get for all his crimes... theres no way in hell he'll get anywhere near 100 odd years...
Edit: I think Rev said it well, it doesn't matter how cute the animals were, its what he was doing to them and why...
Regardless of how much jail time he gets, when he hits age ~27 they need to watch this guy like a drunken reality star.
Megas Methuselah
06-16-2009, 23:27
Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all.
Exactly. He's still a kid, with a whole life ahead of him. You can't just give up on him. That's make you no different than the common murderer.
But on the other hand, if you caught mice and slowly tortured them to death, this would indicate some serious problems on your part.
Yep, which is why I suggests a mental insititution.
Please try to understand the point we're making. Unless you see nothing remotely wrong with skinning a cat alive.
Oh, go read my posts.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-16-2009, 23:46
Exactly. He's still a kid, with a whole life ahead of him. You can't just give up on him. That's make you no different than the common murderer.
:laugh4:
Oh, my darling child enjoys murdering and torturing sentinent and intelligent beings to death on a regular basis. But he's just a child...oh, wait, he's an adult, nevermind.
So how are NDP donations going at this time of year?
Oh, go read my posts.
I kind of quoted them. :book:
Reverend Joe
06-17-2009, 00:02
Yep, which is why I suggests a mental insititution.
I understand a mental institution, but activity like this really scares me, and I honestly would prefer that this guy be kept out of normal society for the rest of his life. He has severe mental problems.
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind roasting a skinned cat over a barbecue. The cuteness factor is not the problem. The problem is torture; that indicates severe mental problems. This dude needs to be locked up for good.
Veho Nex
06-17-2009, 02:24
I understand a mental institution, but activity like this really scares me, and I honestly would prefer that this guy be kept out of normal society for the rest of his life. He has severe mental problems.
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind roasting a skinned cat over a barbecue. The cuteness factor is not the problem. The problem is torture; that indicates severe mental problems. This dude needs to be locked up for good.
Second
KukriKhan
06-18-2009, 01:42
I killed some flies yesterday...
:creep:
So did our esteemed Presidente (http://gawker.com/5293031/barack-obama-fly+killing-badass). Every cable news network ran the video and had commentary on it for several hours yesterday, and into today.
Not a word about the cat-torturer.
I'm beginning to wonder about the "lock 'em up forever" solution to folks who exhibit behavior that we have come to think of as recidivist: animal-torturers, peadophiles, etc. Guys who we think will present a life-long danger to society. Up 'til now I've been a "do the crime, pay the time (then it's over)" kinda guy, but now I wonder.
Rob The Bastard
06-22-2009, 08:52
:smash:I would imagine he has been seen, since his arrest, by a psyciatrist who will present his findings to the judge.
Can't jail him forever for torturing the moggies.
Cant give him preventative detention forever for torturing the moggies.
I'm sure that the judge will give him the most appropriate sentence.
But he needs watching... carefully. Very carefully.
:whip: Bad Boy!
:thumbsdown:
:smash:
Adrian II
06-22-2009, 09:21
It's been demonstrated by several studies that animal cruelty is the single biggest indicator of violence toward humans later in life. Not video games, not abusive parents, not comic books, not sexual "deviancy." If you want to find the rapist/murderer of tomorrow, look at the animal abuser of today.So the guy should get life on the basis of a statistical probability that he will one day turn into a serial killer? Either I misunderstand you or a certain lemur has been out in the sun for too long..
WE'd all be jailed for playing killergames. :dizzy2:
Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia, destroying ecosystems and devastating native wildlife populations. Kill them all and do the world a favour I say. I would applaud anyone who kills cats. If I see cats, rabbits, cane toads or any other pest on the roads I will try to hit them rather than swerve to avoid them
I'd be in favor of putting a bomb in your car to explode upon any impact with the car. That way, I'd be sure that you don't savagely kill cats and other animals.
Cats are a pest in Australia, they are too good at what they are doing and they are threatening native species. I absolutely adore cats but they are just as much relentless predators as they are cute. In Australia wild cats are causing extinction of many a species, that would make them pests.
Introduced species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Australia#Feral_animals_.28introduced_species.29) are a terrible problem in Australia, so if I see a cat, fox, rabbit or cane toad on the road then I'm sure as hell gonna make sure that I hit it. Pest control costs the government billions, so if I can do my little bit by maintaining a straight course when there is a cat on the road then goddammit I'm gonna bloody well do it.
If you told any Aussie to their face that they were a terrible person for killing pest animals then at best you would get a hard stare and be told to leave immediately before you come to bodily harm, and at worst you'd get kicked in the balls and thrown as painfully as possible down the closest set of stairs.
Sick, there are hunters to do that, and they make sure it's dead and not just wounded. I agree cats should be shot in ozzyland but really
Adrian II
06-22-2009, 16:13
Great. Now it's car bombs against cat-killers versus throwing cat-lovers down stairwells in the interest of wildlife. Animals, all of you.
There's difference between shooting wild cats and stealing cats (theft someone?), torturing and killing animals for pleasure, for the owners (both grown ups and kids) to see afterwards. So doesn't only kill and torture animals, which I think we can all agree that we should not cause pain to animals and kill them without reason, but he also is stealing and psychologically tormenting the owners and the kids from the family as well.
Well I was just trying to make a point that killing cats isn't inherently bad, it's the tourture and what not that is bad, but now some people have decided to jump up and down and scream "don't kill cats you psychotic Australian bogan!"
Well I was just trying to make a point that killing cats isn't inherently bad, it's the tourture and what not that is bad, but now some people have decided to jump up and down and scream "don't kill cats you psychotic Australian bogan!"
Indeed I have nothing against, limiting and/or removing animal populations in case they cause imbalance to the local ecosystem. But I do when it's because of practical use in favor of humans. For example a fox shouldn't be shot because it eats your chickens. Or shoot a cat because it makes noise at night, though even sometimes I'd like to throw an old shoe at them, when they are 'singing' at night. Though I don't. Though that's mostly because I barely have enough shoes. (I hate shopping)
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-22-2009, 17:54
Indeed I have nothing against, limiting and/or removing animal populations in case they cause imbalance to the local ecosystem. But I do when it's because of practical use in favor of humans. For example a fox shouldn't be shot because it eats your chickens. Or shoot a cat because it makes noise at night, though even sometimes I'd like to throw an old shoe at them, when they are 'singing' at night. Though I don't. Though that's mostly because I barely have enough shoes. (I hate shopping)
My mum throws water over cats here, or my Dad will shoot at them (he has never hit one), we have shot foxes and badgers when they go after the lambs, we would shoot wild dogs for the same reason. What we wouldn't do is shoot animals just because we saw one, however if they go after the livestock they become fair game.
A sense of proportion is requires here, foxes, cats, dogs, are killing machines. They will kill far more animals than you or I, and far more cruelly often.
The fact is that running over cats leaves them to die in agonnizing pain for hours, helpless that they can't get up. I have seen such a case and believe that it is one of the most attrocious things I have seen. I'll give you an example. Cat purr is often believed to be related to happiness. It is not, and it is a sound made to attract the attention of other beings (Like a call for help). Knowing this I have seen a run over cat in the middle of the road purring. It is...very, very sad to see them dieing that way, calling out for help. I won't put it at the same level as what that sicko did to the cats, but that is no way to kill any living being.
Have you ever used a mouse trap to catch a mouse? They often don't kill the mouse outright, leaving it to suffer. Or have you ever used poison? Slow death by internal hemorrhaging sounds like a rather cruel way to kill a creature.
My mum throws water over cats here, or my Dad will shoot at them (he has never hit one), we have shot foxes and badgers when they go after the lambs, we would shoot wild dogs for the same reason. What we wouldn't do is shoot animals just because we saw one, however if they go after the livestock they become fair game.
Badgers eat lambs? I did not know that. Though those are some mean ***** I know we had to go catch one after it killed some adult Rottweilers!
Either way you can prevent them from going after you animals easy enough. For example if you put chickens coop at night, the problem is solved. Just as how elephants got shot at in India, because they trampled corpses. Yes you could shoot them, or you could just plant 4 pepperplants at the 4 corners of you crops as easily. Why do people grab the gun with every little problem? Guns rarely solve problems. But that's a whole different debate.
The only reason foxes or badgers go after your animals is because they need food to survive as well. They kill them for the same reason as you, to make a living. And as we stole their territory and their food, they have to take whatever else they can get. Especially since it's easy food for them as well.
Have you ever used a mouse trap to catch a mouse? They often don't kill the mouse outright, leaving it to suffer. Or have you ever used poison? Slow death by internal hemorrhaging sounds like a rather cruel way to kill a creature.
Well I haven't, I am a total wuss I release them in the woods. Why are you trying to make a case for trying to roadkill animals, pretty bizar. Advice, if we ever meet don't bring it up is the best for both of us.
Well I haven't, I am a total wuss I release them in the woods. Why are you trying to make a case for trying to roadkill animals, pretty bizar. Advice, if we ever meet don't bring it up is the best for both of us.
Well if I ever find any native species in the house I will try and catch them and let them go in the bush. But when it comes to invasive species I have no mercy. I see every dead cat, rabbit, cane toad or fox as dozens of native species saved.
Australia was a pure pristine environment until humans introduced these beasts and royally :daisy: things up. It's our responsibility to ensure their invasion is as difficult as possible. Of course they can never be completely eradicated because some :daisy: think cats make good pets, rabbits, well they breed like rabbits, cane toads breed worse then rabbits, and foxes are too good at hiding, but goddammit I'm gonna do over every one of the :daisy: that I see on the roads.
On the list of things that I love, only my family rates higher than native Australian flora and fauna, and anything that threatens what I love will be dealt with accordingly, whether that be tearing up lantana and bitu bush or flattening cats on the road.
The Australian government has also approved in the past methods that many would consider cruel, like the introduction of rabbit calicivirus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_haemorrhagic_disease#Symptoms) and Myxomatosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis), both of which cause painful deaths to rabbits. The antidote for Myxomatosis is actually illegal in Australia for fear that it will cause immunity amongst rabbits and stop these painful deaths. I applauded the government when in recent years they allowed fox and cat baiting to and kill more animals over larger areas in a more cost effective way than shooting and trapping. Of course since the poisons have to be used in a way that will only kill cats and foxes, not native animals, low concentrations that cause painful deaths over many hours must be used.
There is absolutely nothing that will convince me that the life of one of these foul invaders,
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is worth the life of one of these beautiful creatures
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https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/animals/possum.jpg
"Invasive species" is how nature works; conditions and species change as time goes. New land means new opportunities. Humans do not have divine hands.
Edit: Of course there are reasons why one want to keep "wildlife" diverse; this is in reference to animal cruelty.
Well if I ever find any native species in the house I will try and catch them and let them go in the bush. But when it comes to invasive species I have no mercy. I see every dead cat, rabbit, cane toad or fox as dozens of native species saved.
I am all for wildlife preservation, and I understand the killing of cats and rabbits. It is being done by professionals there is no reason for you to enjoy it. Actually trying to hit animals with your car is a level of disrespect of life that is way beyond the reach of my understanding. It's cruel and it's stupid. Tortureboy at least understands it are living emotional creatures that can feel pain, of course in his own twisted way.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-24-2009, 09:19
Badgers eat lambs? I did not know that. Though those are some mean ***** I know we had to go catch one after it killed some adult Rottweilers!
Young lambs, if they get seperated in the night.
Either way you can prevent them from going after you animals easy enough. For example if you put chickens coop at night, the problem is solved. Just as how elephants got shot at in India, because they trampled corpses. Yes you could shoot them, or you could just plant 4 pepperplants at the 4 corners of you crops as easily. Why do people grab the gun with every little problem? Guns rarely solve problems. But that's a whole different debate.
The only reason foxes or badgers go after your animals is because they need food to survive as well. They kill them for the same reason as you, to make a living. And as we stole their territory and their food, they have to take whatever else they can get. Especially since it's easy food for them as well.
See, this is where I have the problem. You made the connection between me killing and a fox killing, then say it's ok for him but not me.
Especially when you consider that foxes can get into coups, and then they kill ALL the chickens. Killing one or two foxes tends to disperse the others, as they only start going after livestock once they become overcrowded. Hunting with hounds is even better at dispersing populations, but that is currently slightly unpopular.
Rhyfelwyr
06-24-2009, 13:30
I'm a wuss like Frag. I once caught a rabbit in a bandinet because my Mum didn't like them in the garden. And then my Dad was supposed to wring its neck, but I felt terrible and got him to release it behind her back.
I even release spiders and other things I catch, although I recently killed an ant because I'm not risking another infestation by them. :no:
rasoforos
06-26-2009, 09:20
Well if I ever find any native species in the house I will try and catch them and let them go in the bush. But when it comes to invasive species I have no mercy. I see every dead cat, rabbit, cane toad or fox as dozens of native species saved.
Australia was a pure pristine environment until humans introduced these beasts and royally :daisy: things up. It's our responsibility to ensure their invasion is as difficult as possible.
This makes me wonder...
...aren't humans an invasive species also? No cat, dingo or rabbit has ever caused as much destruction as humans did to Australia. So do we shoot Australians on sight? :laugh4:
:laugh4: Doing that 200 years ago would certainly have solved a lot of problems, but now that we have done it, we are the only ones who can, if not reverse it, then at least slow it to a standstill. Plus dingoes have been here for about 5000 years, long enough to incorporate themselves into the ecosystem and become a vital part of. In fact, there are plans to reintroduce dingoes to places where they were culled by settlers since when they are around the rate of native species being lost drastically decreases.
Of course I'm sure when you said shoot Australians, you actually meant shoot balandas. :wink:
rasoforos
06-26-2009, 11:28
Of course I'm sure when you said shoot Australians, you actually meant shoot balandas. :wink:
If the theory that the Australian megafauna died off because of human intervention then the Aborigines are more to blame than whiteys.
I actually had to wiki 'balandas' :sweatdrop:
If the theory that the Australian megafauna died off because of human intervention then the Aborigines are more to blame than whiteys.
I think that a combination of aboriginal migration and an increasingly arid environment is more likely than just one of the two, but seeing a living Procoptodon(giant 3m kangaroo) and Diprotodon(2tonne wombat) would have been pretty awesome.
I actually had to wiki 'balandas' :sweatdrop:
Nah, no need to worry, most balandas, (and a lot of aboriginals too no doubt) wouldn't know the meaning either.
I think I've taken this thread about as far off the rails as is humanly possible with my nutjob extremist conservation mumbo jumbo. I would say back on topic, but I think it's already been exhausted. :oops:
I think that a combination of aboriginal migration and an increasingly arid environment is more likely than just one of the two, but seeing a living Procoptodon(giant 3m kangaroo)
I can imagine people's faces if they saw one of those for the first time "...What the...HOLY :daisy: !!!"
Cute Wolf
06-27-2009, 09:54
Personally, I was disagreed with this title...
I think he should be punished for stealing those cats, because these cats are property of their owner, not because he tortures cats. He stals and kills cats for his own amusement, that's the point why he should be punished for the crime of theft, not cat-murder...
Just think about this... I kill some cats, and I eat cats... but never intended only to torture them. If we kill a cat, we kill them because they are either pests or foods. I bet most of u never taste a fried cats or roasted dogs yes?:2thumbsup: So never think that killing any animals are crime, except they are endangered species, or they are stolen from their rightful owner. You never been accused of cutting chicken's necks or decapitate cows right?
EDIT: If u don't dare to have an imagination how animals are being cut down, or have a big phobia reading text only - horror story, don't open this spoilers, as this contain my bare, real experience arguments
Actually, think about cultural matters. Most of westerners seems to push their morals and ideals overly, and that pesky animal rights activists sickned me here... (spam my email)... But, why they didn't try to be nice with another ideas, especially what so called "Animals that shouldn't be killed". As an example, I want all of you to look about a Hindu person. He hold the cows as a sacred animals, and they praise cows, and didn't kill them... but we never seen any Indians pressing any men (even their own kin with diffrent religious views), with charges of murders of cows. As u can see, cutting any kind of animals will always involve torture... the ideas of cutting neck quickly didn't guarantee the brain activity was shut down instantly. I myself allready seen, and has personal experience on cutting animals for food. Beheaded cows' head often still have a breath and emit small, quirky sounds in some times after they are sparated from the bodies, their headless bodies will try to kick their foot wildly for some considerable time, and a chicken's head still try to peck your hands in "revenge" after you cut their neck, and their wings try to flap for their own "escape"... If u look for the cats, after you slit their neck, they still said "Meows" and still try to claw you... that's why, when someone need to cut down cats or dogs, they are usually tied up and shot to death first, slam them against the ground, or smacked with a hammer on their heads, so they won't fight back.
Anyway, stealing cats is crime, but I feel pity with that boy, charged injusticely for those "murder"... it was ok when he got 10++ years from that thievery and terror to his neighbourhood, but for murder... yeukh!:wall:
Can you do me a favour, I am ok with people eating cats, but I am not ok with reading of the specifics. Double standard sure, more of a request.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-27-2009, 12:32
Personally, I was disagreed with this title...
I think he should be punished for stealing those cats, because these cats are property of their owner, not because he tortures cats. He stals and kills cats for his own amusement, that's the point why he should be punished for the crime of theft, not cat-murder...
Just think about this... I kill some cats, and I eat cats... but never intended only to torture them. If we kill a cat, we kill them because they are either pests or foods. I bet most of u never taste a fried cats or roasted dogs yes?:2thumbsup: So never think that killing any animals are crime, except they are endangered species, or they are stolen from their rightful owner. You never been accused of cutting chicken's necks or decapitate cows right?
EDIT: If u don't dare to have an imagination how animals are being cut down, or have a big phobia reading text only - horror story, don't open this spoilers, as this contain my bare, real experience arguments
Actually, think about cultural matters. Most of westerners seems to push their morals and ideals overly, and that pesky animal rights activists sickned me here... (spam my email)... But, why they didn't try to be nice with another ideas, especially what so called "Animals that shouldn't be killed". As an example, I want all of you to look about a Hindu person. He hold the cows as a sacred animals, and they praise cows, and didn't kill them... but we never seen any Indians pressing any men (even their own kin with diffrent religious views), with charges of murders of cows. As u can see, cutting any kind of animals will always involve torture... the ideas of cutting neck quickly didn't guarantee the brain activity was shut down instantly. I myself allready seen, and has personal experience on cutting animals for food. Beheaded cows' head often still have a breath and emit small, quirky sounds in some times after they are sparated from the bodies, their headless bodies will try to kick their foot wildly for some considerable time, and a chicken's head still try to peck your hands in "revenge" after you cut their neck, and their wings try to flap for their own "escape"... If u look for the cats, after you slit their neck, they still said "Meows" and still try to claw you... that's why, when someone need to cut down cats or dogs, they are usually tied up and shot to death first, slam them against the ground, or smacked with a hammer on their heads, so they won't fight back.
Anyway, stealing cats is crime, but I feel pity with that boy, charged injusticely for those "murder"... it was ok when he got 10++ years from that thievery and terror to his neighbourhood, but for murder... yeukh!:wall:
I don't know about the US, but in Britain cats are still legally vermin, I think. That's why cats tend to change owners of their own accord and you can't do anythi ng about it. You can't really steal them, because you can't really own them.
About your "horror story", a short sharp crack to the back of the head with an iron hammer will ensure they are unconcious. Anything other than that is fitting, and while unpleasent to deal with, it's only a reflex. Failing to put an animal out of it's misery before actually killing it is just pointlessly sadistic.
Cute Wolf
06-27-2009, 13:09
I put them on spoilers from fragony's request... and put that "horror story" tag.
Yes, cat's are tend to change owners as well, but at least, those cat owners should start to put tags on cat's necks, or they will be eaten...
Actually, put aside some religions that forbide certain animal consumption... I prefer that homeless cats and dogs, to be gathered and slaughtered... rather than have their balls removed... They will end better in the people's belly rather than killed humanely with poison that made them poisonous to humans too...
But bashing cat's head with your hands against wall, mutilated them, and then leave it uneaten (or unskinned, depends on what you prefer to use from that animals)... is a real spoiling of fine food... or fur...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-27-2009, 13:15
I put them on spoilers from fragony's request... and put that "horror story" tag.
Yes, cat's are tend to change owners as well, but at least, those cat owners should start to put tags on cat's necks, or they will be eaten...
Actually, put aside some religions that forbide certain animal consumption... I prefer that homeless cats and dogs, to be gathered and slaughtered... rather than have their balls removed... They will end better in the people's belly rather than killed humanely with poison that made them poisonous to humans too...
But bashing cat's head with your hands against wall, mutilated them, and then leave it uneaten (or unskinned, depends on what you prefer to use from that animals)... is a real spoiling of fine food... or fur...
Personally I would never eat a cat or dog. Why?
They eat meat, so it's not safe. You certainly should never eat something that hasn't been well fed, like a stray dog. You don't know what it's been eating.
Cute wolf, the whole point is that he wanted the animals to feel pain, if he had killed them quickly, then roased them, eaten them, maybe made a fur coat out of their collective furs, most people would be a bit less upset, but he only killed him out of some sort of bloodlust or plain sadism and apparently made them suffer intentionally, I don't see how exactly that relates to cooking.
Cute Wolf
06-27-2009, 14:35
Well, at least most of you maybe think cats are like this:
EDIT: Removed hotlinked picture. Please read the forum rules as suggested, where you will discover that you should host pictures yourself, not hotlink to them. BG
Oh my God...
They are too cute to be killed... that's true...:laugh4:
It's just that you want to talk about it, more then we want to pretend it isn't happening, dogs and cat's are pets here, like family members. Can we have our oddity's?
Cute Wolf
06-27-2009, 15:05
It's just that you want to talk about it, more then we want to pretend it isn't happening, dogs and cat's are pets here, like family members. Can we have our oddity's?
Ahh... family members made of animals?!? :sweatdrop:
I really don't understand what did u think.... but fine anyway....
Ahh... family members made of animals?!? :sweatdrop:
I really don't understand what did u think.... but fine anyway....
It's just like that here, we keep dogs and cats as pets. And ask any western sissy how he/she felt when his dog/cat died of old age. That's us, we like them.
rory_20_uk
06-27-2009, 16:01
The British are far more concerned about the well-being of animals than other humans. I view this as a compliment.
~:smoking:
LittleGrizzly
06-27-2009, 18:28
Im all good with killing cats for food, if he had done it to a family that owned the pet i would have him done for theft and emotional damage (of losing your pet, its a bit different to just losing some meat)
The problem was torturing the animal, it should just not be done whether you intend to eat the animal or not. And from what i remember this kid wasn't even eating the cats he was just torturing them for sadistic pleasure!
Do you not think extra punishment should be put on a crime when someone tortures an animal rather than kills it outright ?
Edit: Also torturing animals as Lemur mentioned is a good sign of a problem... sometimes...
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