Asterix and the Gauls [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 02:54

I investigated ATPG and he is a confirmed Gaul.

The bad news is he was killed shortly thereafter.

But night results have been sent out. As people have asked.

Hmm, me and Atheotes invesigated Beefy but have recieved no results (or i haven't anyway) im assuming it was because he was killed that night ?

But, if your investigation worked on the night ATPG was killed would this mean that mine and Atheotes investigation was unsucessful becuase of failed orders ?

I would think this unlikely because Atheotes contacted me to do the investigation and sent his pm about the investigation to me and Ignoramus...

The second part could be a trick but the first part would seem like a pointless risk... though it could be ballsy play...

Don't paticularly like the bandwagon on QJC, and the mini one on Split for avoiding the bandwagon doesn't seem any better...

Im tempted to vote for ED or Atheotes... need to think on it some more though...

Death is yonder

06-25-2009, 03:00

Two of bodies looked Gaulish, while another displayed Roman features. The other body, however, was unknown to the delegates.

I think that the bolded section above bears some thought. It suggests an ulterior faction present within our midst, and I would suspect that the dead person who was part of them was Beefy.

Beefy187 was gazing interestedly at the huts while walking down the street. So these were the indomitable Gauls that the Romans had feared.

The conference so far had been all rather exciting. Far more amusing that anything else at this time of year. The only negative had been the cold weather, but then again, what could one expect of Gaul?

So caught up in these thoughts, Beefy187 didn’t notice the shadows moving in the distance.

The next moment a loud crack was heard, and Beefy187 sunk to ground - dead.

The first bolded section suggests that Beefy was neither the Gauls, nor the Romans, but rather a foreigner. Also, the 2nd paragraph speaks as if the person is not a native to the place, unused to the weather as well as finding the "same old things" which would have been typical to the Gauls/Romans as "exciting".

Next, the following sentence shows that Beefy is clearly not a native Gaul, or even a Roman. "What could one expect of Gaul?" is clearly referring to "Gaul" as a country, not "Gauls". As such, I can conclude that there is a SK faction or something/people from other countries in our midst.

I fail to see why there is a sudden bandwagon on Quintus, this is looking to me like de ja vu from Navarro lynch where he didn't even get to plead his case...

Vote:Abstain

Tally

Quintus: V (Yaropolk, Chaotix, Iskandar, Split, El Diablo)
Split: II (Count Arach, Beskar)
CDF: I (Cronos Impera)

Abstain: IV (Caius, Taka, Johnhughthom, DIY)

Splitpersonality

06-25-2009, 03:12

I for one think beefy was a simple roman, but I am not sure.

Refering to your party in the third person would not be unusual *shrug*

A Very Super Market

06-25-2009, 03:17

Vote: Sasaki

For being suspi--- oh wait.....

Unvote, Vote: QJC

And I FoS: All who defend QJC as well. Everyone knows that townies need to go out of their way to make themselves seem innocent...

atheotes

06-25-2009, 03:46

El Diablo

06-25-2009, 04:33

Hmm, me and Atheotes invesigated Beefy but have recieved no results (or i haven't anyway) im assuming it was because he was killed that night ?

But, if your investigation worked on the night ATPG was killed would this mean that mine and Atheotes investigation was unsucessful becuase of failed orders ?

I would think this unlikely because Atheotes contacted me to do the investigation and sent his pm about the investigation to me and Ignoramus...

The second part could be a trick but the first part would seem like a pointless risk... though it could be ballsy play...

Don't paticularly like the bandwagon on QJC, and the mini one on Split for avoiding the bandwagon doesn't seem any better...

Im tempted to vote for ED or Atheotes... need to think on it some more though...

Mine was slightly different as I have the ability to investigate one player on my own, once.
I would not get their role just their faction and if they were active that night.

I am often an early target and ATPG had asked to be investigated - so I did. But he ended up dead.
I don't think that my behavior warrents a vote as I am trying to state that my night investigation yielded a result whereas the ones that did not yield an answer may not have worked due to them being infiltrated by scum or romans?

look at your groups people.

naut

06-25-2009, 04:35

Hmm. Kinda wish my townie group had investigated Quintus last night. Ah well. First round he was quite nuetral, and now this. Scummy. Usually more much more deceptive than this!

Anyway, my vote is for White eyes:D. How's it going! ~:wave:

Vote: White eyes:D

Chaotix

06-25-2009, 04:38

Investigations don't tell whether or not players are guilty, anyway, they only tell the faction. The more we know of other players' factions, the more risk we have of members of the town trying to side with the mafia.

Splitpersonality

06-25-2009, 04:39

Such was the case in Rubicon, where the senators opted to go for a faction victory rather than one of general peace and goodness.

We must stop this from happening again...

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 04:42

I only investigated as i only had 1 person to work with...

Me and Atheotes (or at least me) would much rather do protection work.... feel free to invite me into any protection group...

Death is yonder

06-25-2009, 04:44

The point of investigation is wasting the person's ulterior night action.

That was precisely the basis by which Sasaki organized the town groups to;

Group A--> Vig Kill this person
Group B--> Protect the vig kill target.

atheotes

06-25-2009, 04:45

LG, you were the only one who agreed to do a group action with me. the rest of the people i contacted said they were already part of a townie group.

Ignoramus

06-25-2009, 05:12

Sorry guys for not sending all the Night Results Pm's out. I'm sending the last one's out now, and will extend the voting until 2:00 am GMT, June 26.

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 05:19

Ok got a result... can confirm me and atheotes did an investigation...

also takes my suspicion off ED and Atheotes... which unfortunately leaves me nowhere...

Vote Abstain

Ignoramus

06-25-2009, 05:25

Note: The write-up for Askthepizzaguy's death has changed. This is because I omitted an important detail.

Jolt

06-25-2009, 05:43

Sounds convincing enough to me I suppose.

Vote: Quintus

I still have to go through Jolt's posts... Procrastination is a hash mistress.

Even in post-mortem, I await whatever accusations you can dig up (If any. I doubt you'll get as much.)

Askthepizzaguy

06-25-2009, 07:14

I defended myself last night, and was kind of hoping for additional protection as well. I suspected I would be attacked twice, I even mentioned that to someone. If I had been protected that would have wasted two attempts on my life, which is quite a pain in the neck of the mafia and it would also have made any townie groups busy without causing damage to a townie.

Ah well. :no: These things happen.

Makes me glad to know I'm inside the head of the people who want me dead though. Heh heh heh.

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-25-2009, 11:46

vote: abstain
don't have time top read all of this.... going to have to just abstain.

White_eyes:D

06-25-2009, 14:09

Me, johnhugthom and Tratorix were supposed to protect somebody last night, but Traorix is dead now. I do not know anyone else in the group apart from the ones that I've already mentioned.Vote:Quintus Why do I get the feeling most of the above is all totally? :daisy:

Greyblades

06-25-2009, 14:16

Vote: Abstain This is getting realy confusing.

johnhughthom

06-25-2009, 14:29

My night group, organised by Tratorix, was Tratorix, Quintus and myself. Result pm:

You wait for your accomplises to arrive, but after several hours one of them still hasn't arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Protection failed.

Unvote Vote:Quintus.JC

Death is yonder

06-25-2009, 14:46

Well, John's results pm looks genuine. Even comes with Ignoramus's spelling errors :smash:no offense

I think that Quintus's odd behavior and odd replies coupled with suspicion from his group and circumstances at the moment sufficiently warrant a vote.

Unvote; Abstain
Vote: QJC

Updated Tally for Host's convenience :bow:

Quintus: IX (Yaropolk, Chaotix, Iskandar, Split, El Diablo, AVSM, Whiteeyes, John, DIY)
Split: II (Count Arach, Beskar)
CDF: I (Cronos Impera)
Whiteeyes: I (Psychonaut)

Abstain: VI (Caius, Taka, LG, CDF, Greyblades, Atheotes)

atheotes

06-25-2009, 14:49

My night group, organised by Tratorix, was Tratorix, Quintus and myself. Result pm:

Unvote Vote:Quintus.JC

i think you should have asked Quintus to post his night result PM before posting yours... i do not know what time-zione Quintus lives in... so you may still have time to remove it before he or one of his accomplices see it. :juggle2:

atheotes

06-25-2009, 14:52

DIY, you missed my abstain vote. so i updated it :bow:

Updated Tally for Host's convenience :bow:

Quintus: IX (Yaropolk, Chaotix, Iskandar, Split, El Diablo, AVSM, Whiteeyes, John, DIY)
Split: II (Count Arach, Beskar)
CDF: I (Cronos Impera)
Whiteeyes: I (Psychonaut)

Abstain: V (Caius, Taka, LG, CDF, Greyblades, Atheotes)

johnhughthom

06-25-2009, 14:52

I thought about that but he was already under a huge amount of suspicion, an attempt at a forged pm would surely be seen through by most players. If I take it down there is a chance he may have seen, so it could potentially confuse things.

Death is yonder

06-25-2009, 14:57

Fixed Atheotes, sorry about that. :bow:

On the issue of QJC and timing, he was last online just under an hour ago, but did not post.

His last post was almost 3/4 of a day ago.

I think he has had enough time to come here an explain himself, :bow:.

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 16:04

OK me and Athe have picked up an extra player to do protection work.

TBH QJC does seem slightly suspicious now.. ill put my vote there as well although it doesn't really matter...

Vote QJC

taka

06-25-2009, 17:39

unvote
Vote: Quintus

it does seem that he is suspicious after all, especially when QJC mentions 4 people for a protection group

atheotes

06-25-2009, 18:19

Quintus.JC

06-25-2009, 19:36

I am replying now, didn't have time to venture into the gameroom until now despite loggin in many times during the day. Interesting accusations, might take some time.

Quintus.JC

06-25-2009, 19:52

The bandwagon that’s started on me made little sense until Johnhugthom made his point in post 283. I received my night PM around 5 AM GMT, Ignoramus sent me two PMs, the first one is:

You and your accomplices send leave early and take up positions around Phog_of_War's hut. You organise a watch while the rest of you get some sleep. Morning comes and all is quiet.

No attack was made on Phog_of_War.

Followed by a second PM which was sent three minutes later than the first one, it is exactly same as Johnhugthom, say I copied it if you will, but that’s just the way it is.

You wait for your accomplises to arrive, but after several hours one of them still hasn't arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Protection failed.

True enough one member failed to turn up. The group was made of me, John and Tratorix, one of them was murdered last night, didn’t anyone ever think the missing person was Tratorix? Who couldn’t attend because he was lying in his own pool of blood.

Tratorix strode purposefully back to his quarters. The day had been filled with tiresome accusations and allegations. He began to wonder if anything would be achieved by this conference.

Upon reaching his hut, he hurried to his bedroom to change. There was much still to be done.

Hearing the door creak, Tratorix spun around. He had dismissed his guards for the evening, so who could this be?

I’m rather astonished no one picked this up, Tratorix’s murder occurred before he could carry out his night actions (note the bolded part of the Ignoramus's post). Now if Johnhugthom’s PM corresponds and confirmed that two members attended, it must be me and John, since Tratorix was dead beforehand. This also means that I couldn't have committed any other actions last night because I had John with me all along, so it clears me of any murders that occurred last night. Personally I would be rather upset to be lynched this round because the clue is right in front of town's eyes; all I did last night was with Johnhugthom and waiting outside Phog of War’s hut, doing nothing else. I feel no need to address other people’s accusations because this alone is enough, I rest my case.

UNVOTE ME NOW.

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 20:01

Unvote QJC

Need to quickly find another suspect if you are to be saved...

A Very Super Market

06-25-2009, 20:05

Ah, this makes a lot of sense. QJC, you are cleared in my book.

Unvote, Vote: Atheotes

Always eager to bandwagon, you are.

Quintus.JC

06-25-2009, 20:06

Unvote QJC

Need to quickly find another suspect if you are to be saved...

As much as I want to save myself I don't see anyone else being particularly suspicious, this round's accasations has mostly been directed at me and others have escaped the spotlight. Feeling of self-preservations shall soon kick in, but as of now I can't see any valid cases, apart from the people who jumped on the easy bandwaggon.

atheotes

06-25-2009, 20:18

Ah, this makes a lot of sense. QJC, you are cleared in my book.

Unvote, Vote: Atheotes

Always eager to bandwagon, you are.

:inquisitive: i was one of the last to vote for QC and i had posted a few times after the bandwagon started...
also what i did last night is in the thread for everyone to see. LG can vouch for that and there is no room for suspicion...

so either you are trigger happy or scummy...

i wish johnhughthom hadnt quoted his PM...
Unvote, vote: abstain

A Very Super Market

06-25-2009, 20:33

Well, I want to save QJC, but the bandwagon seems invincible. To alleviate any bad feelings between us.

Unvote, Vote: Abstain

El Diablo

06-25-2009, 20:35

Unvote QJC
Vote Abstain

taka

06-25-2009, 21:12

well i guess it seems like a valid excuse for QJC

unvote

I'll go back to Vote: abstain

Askthepizzaguy

06-25-2009, 21:22

Dead guy says:

If you want to save someone, instead of unvoting and voting abstain, vote for the player with the least activity. No use for them anyway.

A Very Super Market

06-25-2009, 21:25

Shush you. You're deep underground, unless you're a Sassanid....

Edit: And who is inactive? King Jan?

Actually, yeah, he is pretty inactive. Someone post so I can vote for him.

GeneralHankerchief

06-25-2009, 21:26

Tratorix

06-25-2009, 21:33

I’m rather astonished no one picked this up, Tratorix’s murder occurred before he could carry out his night actions (note the bolded part of the Ignoramus's post). Now if Johnhugthom’s PM corresponds and confirmed that two members attended, it must be me and John, since Tratorix was dead beforehand. This also means that I couldn't have committed any other actions last night because I had John with me all along, so it clears me of any murders that occurred last night. Personally I would be rather upset to be lynched this round because the clue is right in front of town's eyes; all I did last night was with Johnhugthom and waiting outside Phog of War’s hut, doing nothing else. I feel no need to address other people’s accusations because this alone is enough, I rest my case.

UNVOTE ME NOW.

I call BS.

@Ignoramus: Question: If someone is killed during the night phase, will any night actions they were participating in that night still be carried out? Or would they fail due to the dead person not being able to participate.

Tratorix

06-25-2009, 22:04

Anybody wishing to form a protection group for Quintus now that he's been outed, please contact me. I aim to get at least five or six of us on him in order to maximize chances of success.

Vote: Johnhugthom

Sorry for the doublepost, but GH, could you explain the logic behind this vote? I don't quite understand your reasoning.

johnhughthom

06-25-2009, 22:14

I believed if somebody was killed that they would still be able to carry out their night action, it just makes things simpler. I haven't played a lot of Mafia games so I don't know if there is a hard fast rule to this.
Anyway I am slightly leaning toward QJC being innocent, the times he mentions his pms arriving tally with mine, I don't understand why he would get two pms whereas I only got one.
Unvote Vote:Abstain. (until Ignoramus lets us know about the dead/night action situation)

You're right atheotes, if I hadn't posted that pm we would know for sure. Oh well, you live and learn.

Quintus.JC

06-25-2009, 22:48

I call BS.

@Ignoramus: Question: If someone is killed during the night phase, will any night actions they were participating in that night still be carried out? Or would they fail due to the dead person not being able to participate.

I believed if somebody was killed that they would still be able to carry out their night action, it just makes things simpler. I haven't played a lot of Mafia games so I don't know if there is a hard fast rule to this.
Anyway I am slightly leaning toward QJC being innocent, the times he mentions his pms arriving tally with mine, I don't understand why he would get two pms whereas I only got one.
Unvote Vote:Abstain. (until Ignoramus lets us know about the dead/night action situation)

While I understand your concerns and the need for a confirmation, I think Ignoramus' write-up kind of cleared this, so once more for any doubters:

Tratorix strode purposefully back to his quarters. The day had been filled with tiresome accusations and allegations. He began to wonder if anything would be achieved by this conference.

Upon reaching his hut, he hurried to his bedroom to change. There was much still to be done.

Hearing the door creak, Tratorix spun around. He had dismissed his guards for the evening, so who could this be?

He didn’t need to wait long. He gaped as he saw the men with drawn swords, and before he could even cover his head he had sunk to the floor, with multiple stab wounds covering his body.

If Tratorix already did his night action, why did he hurry home to change and all that with 'much still to be done'? Tratorix was killed before he was able to perform any night action at all.

Ignoramus will clear this up when he gets here, but I'm just afraid that won't save me at all.

Tratorix

06-25-2009, 22:50

While I understand your concerns and the need for a confirmation, I think Ignoramus' write-up kind of cleared this, so once more for any doubters:

If Tratorix already did his night action, why did he hurry home to change and all that with 'much still to be done'? Tratorix was killed before he was able to perform any night action at all.

Ignoramus will clear this up when he gets here, but I'm just afraid that won't save me at all.

In my experience, write-ups are rarely something to go to for hard evidence. Hosts often change things for the sake of telling a story and don't really want to post anything that might prove something either way. If I'm wrong about you, I will apologize once the game is done.

Quintus.JC

06-25-2009, 23:03

Dead guy says:

If you want to save someone, instead of unvoting and voting abstain, vote for the player with the least activity. No use for them anyway.

Self-preservation is setting in now... I'll listen to you ATPG and vote for the least active players, and I plead everyone else to the same.

Vote: Khazaar

Askthepizzaguy

06-25-2009, 23:10

Such policies force the mafia to talk more. That makes it easier to catch them in their own web of lies.

johnhughthom

06-25-2009, 23:10

Quintus has pmed me with his role pm and told me what he has been up to each night. Personally I am inclined to believe his innocence now, although until Ignoramus lets us know whether somebody can complete their action when they are killed that night I can't be 100%. Let's say I am 75% sure he is innocent at the moment. Although it looks like it will be too late to do anything about it.

LittleGrizzly

06-25-2009, 23:17

Im willing to vote Khazaar for inactivity, QJC from the looks of it seems innocent to me...

vote Khazaar

Beskar

06-25-2009, 23:45

Could some one post a tally? :sweatdrop:

Yaropolk

06-26-2009, 00:13

I believe everything QJC said in his explanation post, perhaps even that he took protective action that night. However my original reason for suspicion has not been quelled. Why post that original defensive post declaring a bunch of people cleared? Since Ignoramus didn't send back night results on time, none of you had any idea whatsoever what the others did. This makes me even more suspicious. Who were you trying to protect and why? I am still sticking with my vote. Something doesnt sit right.

Chaotix

06-26-2009, 00:27

Unvote if necessary.

Vote: Khazaar

Lurker scum!

But I'm keeping an eye on Quintus...

A Very Super Market

06-26-2009, 00:36

If he isn't confirmed, then why is GH organizing a protection service for him?

Death is yonder

06-26-2009, 01:04

The evidence looks convincing enough, at least at the moment.

Unvote:QJC
Vote:Beaver

Soo, what happened to your "no more lurking" eh?
I won't see a repeat of Treehouse of Horror :bow:

Tally :bow:

Quintus: IV (Yaropolk, Iskandar, Split, Whiteeyes)
Khazaar: III (QJC, LG, Chaotix)
Split: II (Count Arach, Beskar)
CDF: I (Cronos Impera)
Whiteeyes: I (Psychonaut)
Johnhughthom: I (GH)
Beaver: I (DIY)

Abstain: VIII (Caius, CDF, Greyblades, Atheotes, AVSM, El Diablo, Taka, John)

johnhughthom

06-26-2009, 01:16

Unvote Vote:Khazaar

Brings it to a tie, I'm not quite certain on Quintus but I don't want him lynched.

El Diablo

06-26-2009, 01:33

Vote Khazaar Sounds go to me.

GeneralHankerchief

06-26-2009, 01:33

Unvote: Johnhughthom
Vote: Khazaar

-edit- Also, please PM me about a protection group. I don't want your role, just your participation.

pevergreen

06-26-2009, 02:06

Something is not right...

Vote: Splitpersonality

Tratorix

06-26-2009, 02:14

What is with you people and lynching people for lurking like two rounds in? :wall:

Splitpersonality

06-26-2009, 02:20

I just don't have anything to say, I've been busy with college trips too, had to go to Lafayette and Lehigh today and I'm pretty tired from the driving.

Sorry if I have no discussion right now.

Ignoramus

06-26-2009, 03:20

Voting closed.

pevergreen

06-26-2009, 13:10

I just don't have anything to say, I've been busy with college trips too, had to go to Lafayette and Lehigh today and I'm pretty tired from the driving.

Sorry if I have no discussion right now.

Ive been busy too, but I voted you because I think you are mafia. Roman or Gaulish, it doesnt matter.

Jolt

06-26-2009, 13:20

Well, this should be one hell of a write-up.

Ignoramus

06-26-2009, 13:33

Morning dawned once more, and the delegates once again assembled to decide who they should execute.

Delagate Quintus.JC was the first to garner suspicion, with many accusing him of failing to protect a fellow delegate in the night.

Quintus.JC defended himself vigourously, insisting that it was Tratorix's death that caused the protection to fall through.

As time wore on, however, suspicion began to turn towards Khazaar, who hadn't been seen of lately. Soon enough, the votes had swing, and Khazaar was condemned to be executed.

As with navarro951 the guards had to search for Khazaar. They found him hiding his hut. Dragging him roughly to the village centre, the guards prepared to carry out the sentence.

Khazaar appealed to the Gallic delegates, trying to get them to change their mind, imploring them not to condemn an innocent Gaul to death, but his pleas fell on deaf ears.

Resigning himself to his fate, he was thrust through with the guards' spears.

Khazaar: 6 (QJC, LG, Chaotix, johnhughthom, El Diablo, GeneralHankerchief)
Quintus: 3 (Yaropolk, Iskandar, Split, Whiteeyes)
Split: 3 (Count Arach, Beskar, pevergreen)
CDF: 1 (Cronos Impera)
Whiteeyes: 1 (Psychonaut)
Beaver: 1 (DIY)

Abstain: 8 (Caius, CDF, Greyblades, Atheotes, AVSM, Taka,)
Not Voting: 4 (Phog_of_War, King Jan III Sobieski, Marshal Murat, Khaazar, Shinseikhaan)

Alive: (27/35)
Greyblades
Beskar
johnhugtom
Death is yonder
atheotes
Iskander 3.1
A Very Super Market
Marshal Murat
White eyes:D
Chaotix
Shinseikhaan
Yaropolk
QuintusJC.
Cultured Drizzt fan
LittleGrizzly
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Cronos Impera
pevergreen
CountArach
Phog of War*
Psychonaught
Caius
taka
Beaver
El Diablo
King Jan III Sobieski*
GeneralHankerchief

Murdered: (6)
Sasaki Kojiro
Captain Blackadder
Jolt
Beefy187
Tratorix
Askthepizzaguy

Executed: (1)
navarro951
Khazaar

It is now night 3. The phase will end at 12:30 GMT, June 27th.

Phog_of_War and King Jan III Sobieski are in danger of being WOG'ed or replaced. If they don't vote in the next day session they will be.

(Apologies guys for my long delay. I'm still at school, so I sometimes take longer than I'd to before I can post stuff.)

Chaotix

06-26-2009, 22:44

GH, can you pm me with those that are going to be working in your protection group, so that I can remember to exclude them from the conflicting groups that I'm going to set up?

taka

06-27-2009, 00:37

my, its hot but weather's nice tonight, lots of shiny silver stars

Chaotix

06-27-2009, 04:44

my, its hot but weather's nice tonight, lots of shiny silver stars

FoS: taka for speaking in code.

:laugh4:

Ignoramus

06-27-2009, 14:13

Announcement: I won't be online tomorrow, so I apologise for the inevitable delay of night actions. I'll get them up first thing Monday morning (AEST). Really sorry guys, but it can't be avoided. Thanks very much for your patience, as I've been rather disorgansied in running this game.

LittleGrizzly

06-27-2009, 18:13

Does that mean night is extended until monday morning ?

Im good with that get busy on the weekends...

pevergreen

06-28-2009, 02:20

Just as a general note: I refuse to be part of any group that wants to kill, regardless of wether or not there is a protection group set up.

Tratorix

06-28-2009, 04:03

Just as a general note: I refuse to be part of any group that wants to kill, regardless of wether or not there is a protection group set up.

Why?

taka

06-28-2009, 04:09

well its obvious that kill groups are not very good for town are they?

Jolt

06-28-2009, 04:18

They killed me. That was the dumbest decision ever.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-28-2009, 05:02

Just as a general note: I refuse to be part of any group that wants to kill, regardless of wether or not there is a protection group set up.

fos:pevergreen

pevergreen

06-28-2009, 11:04

fos for not wanting to be part of a kill group?

FoS: Sasaki

Askthepizzaguy

06-28-2009, 20:52

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/evil_monkey_301_2125.png

FOS: EVERYONE!!!

Beskar

06-28-2009, 23:40

Am I dead or alive? I do not know. :cry:

Marshal Murat

06-28-2009, 23:56

Howdy for a little while, sparse WiFi.

Quintus.JC

06-28-2009, 23:59

Why is there a monkey in the camp? :inquisitive:

I'd take it as a pet if it weren't for the teeth.

LittleGrizzly

06-28-2009, 23:59

FOS: EVERYONE!!!

Im innocent i tell ya! Innocent!

You and your half baked accusations of suspicion and your funny pics of beloved cartoon characters, you are trying to distract people well you do all the killing...

Your whole suspicion of me is a clevery designed ploy to keep people from thinking on your guilt and instead pondering the question is Grizzy guilty!

Well i for one shall not stand for it any longer!

FoS Pizza...

and another thing... die!

Vote Pizza!

Whether Pizza is or isn't dead and whether it is or isn't the day phase matters not, all that matters is people must vote pizza!

Quintus.JC

06-29-2009, 00:03

[B]Vote Pizza!

Whether Pizza is or isn't dead and whether it is or isn't the day phase matters not, all that matters is people must vote pizza!

Pizzaguys always comes back from the dead... you can't stop them from doing their stuff.

Caius

06-29-2009, 00:41

It is now night 3. The phase will end at 12:30 GMT, June 27th.
Ahem...

Ignoramus

06-29-2009, 02:11

Yaropolk was waiting impatiently in his hut. He was not a patient man by nature, and this waiting was infuriating.

As he was tapping his foot impatiently, he heard a noise in the bushes nearby. At last, he was here!

As he approached the bushes, he strained to get a better idea of who was there, when suddenly blackness hit him, and his body was found with his head smashed in, presumably by a club.

Beaver was having a quiet night in his hut, eating his pate, when he saw shadows by the windows. “It was true!” he gasped, rushing to hide himself.

He was too late, however, as the door was kicked open and men rushed through with their swords drawn. Beaver was quickly found and despite his pleadings was butchered mercilessly.

Phog_of_War was taking a quiet stroll by the beach before he turned in for bed. He loved the sea, and he was always eager to escape the nerves of being in the village.

As he wandered by the ship moored at the village’s jetty, he noticed a group of men coming towards him on the beach. Noticing their swords, he walked up to them and gave a hearty “Ave!” only to receive a sword in the stomach.

Falling to the ground, he cried despondently, “Alea jact est!” before expiring.

---

As the streams of light began to shine upon the village, there was more terrible news awaiting the sleepy delegates. Three more corpses were discovered in the morning. There was general consensus that both a Gaul and a Roman had died, although the third body could not be identified.

Alive: (24/35)
Greyblades
Beskar
johnhugtom
Death is yonder
atheotes
Iskander 3.1
A Very Super Market
Marshal Murat
White eyes:D
Chaotix
Shinseikhaan
QuintusJC.
Cultured Drizzt fan
LittleGrizzly
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Cronos Impera
pevergreen
CountArach
Psychonaught
Caius
taka
El Diablo
King Jan III Sobieski
GeneralHankerchief

Murdered: (9)
Sasaki Kojiro
Captain Blackadder
Jolt
Beefy187
Tratorix
Askthepizzaguy
Yaropolk
Beaver
Phog_of_War

Executed: (2)
navarro951
Khazaar

It is now Day 3. You may begin voting. This day phase will end on Wednesday, July 1st at 12:00 am GMT.

Note: I will send out Night Results PMs soon.

Beskar

06-29-2009, 02:20

Nice, I wasn't killed.

taka

06-29-2009, 02:52

@ Game host Ignoramus

What would happen to a voting tie?

El Diablo

06-29-2009, 03:25

my, its hot but weather's nice tonight, lots of shiny silver stars

vote taka

What is the meaning of this code?

El Diablo

06-29-2009, 03:27

...wait hold on.

Beaver died?

Who did not put their orders in?

Beskar

06-29-2009, 03:37

Yarapolk died. :cry:

A Very Super Market

06-29-2009, 03:40

Beaver? We were protecting Phog of War....

naut

06-29-2009, 03:57

...wait hold on.

Beaver died?

Who did not put their orders in?
The attack order didn't go through, as pever was opposed to it. So someone else attacked him.

El Diablo

06-29-2009, 04:31

Yeah but I was in a group that was told to protect him.
Yarapolk, CDF, Cronos and I were to protect Beaver.
Even with Yarapolk killed three is able to protect someone right?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 06:07

The vigilante attack on Beaver failed. I know this, I was in that group for tonight. Therefore, someone in our group didn't act and instead chose to actually send in a kill on him. :furious3:

FoS: Caius, CountArach, splitpersonality.

Edit: additionally, it seems the protection group on Phog of War failed, and the vigilantes were allowed to kill him.

FoS: Quintus, AVSM, pevergreen, King Jan III

I believe that these are our potential suspects now. I'm interested to hear from the Quintus Attack/Protect Groups; what were your results?

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 06:17

You never told me what the hula-hoop I was doing!

You said I was kill group, then I wasn't kill group, then you never said what to do!

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 06:21

Hello, all. Since no one objected to me setting up the conflict groups for tonight, I will be... well, setting them up.

The job of all five of you (AVSM, Quintus, split, Beaver, Jan III) for tonight is to Protect Phog of War. As long as everyone acts, you should have a larger group than the attack group, and there will be no problems.

Have fun!

First pm that I sent you.

Hey, split-

I need you to swap groups with pevergreen, because of his uncompromising nature. You're now part of the group that's killing Beaver, ok?

Second pm that I sent you. Notice the part about "switching groups" and "killing Beaver". How hard was it to understand?

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 06:24

Notice how I replied to you, asking you if you were sure i would move?

and you never replied about it. I was honestly confused, not trying to play up drama or anything stupid.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 06:29

I was kind of busy responding to everyone else's pms.

What did you do, if you didn't join the kill group? I know that you are the only one who didn't, now, so you have helped in some way.

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and one of them hasn't yet arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Murder failed.

See, only one didn't arrive.

I am inclined to believe your claim of confusion, but I can't clear you yet.

However, unFoS: Caius, CountArach, because I know they acted with me.

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 06:33

I didn't do anything, I swear to god. I know I pretty much F'd myself in the A, but I didn't realize when the phase ended, I was planning on getting into a group, but I didn't know who was part of the kill group...

You kinda just said "Go kill him" and I can't really do that by myself :l

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 06:34

Not a single other person turned up in the protection group i was in apparently... beaver protection group, although you didn't include these people in your fos list... which could start getting rather long...

any reason ?

Or did you just not realise protection group failed ?

Edit:

ED didn't even now i was in his group... was i even in a group apart from in my and your (chaotix) imagination ?

Sasaki Kojiro

06-29-2009, 06:38

LittleGrizzly is guilty.

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 06:39

LittleGrizzly is guilty.

Obviously...

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 06:48

LG sent orders to Ignoramus, I know this because he sent them to me at the same time. He did not kill last night.

So you were the only one to send in the order for the Beaver protection, LG?

I think we can safely rule out Yaropolk and Phog, considering they're dead.

That leaves El Diablo and Cronos Impera.

Now, there's some interesting controversy surrounding Cronos Impera. Apparently, it's all centered on Yaropolk. White_Eyes was supposedly in an investigation group with Yaropolk on Phog of War. Yaropolk, however, claimed to be in a protection group with Cronos Impera, and mentioned nothing about white_eyes. Still further, taka claimed to be working in a group with Yaropolk as well, which I somehow doubt actually happened.

This is, honestly, utterly confusing to me, but as Yaropolk is dead and I know taka's role, and I also know that white_eyes sent in the investigation order instead of the group I assigned him, the only unknown quantity is Cronos. And I have no idea about El Diablo.

FoS: Cronos, El D.

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 07:03

It specifically said no one showed up...

pevergreen

06-29-2009, 07:33

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and none of them have arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Guarding failed.

I forward the PM you sent to me with the orders to protect Phog. I was there. Where were you guys?

edit: your PM

I just saw your post in the thread-

If you're not going to kill, I can put you in a protection group instead. You're now protecting Phog of War, and your group members are AVSM, Quintus, Beaver, and King Jan III.

FoS: all of them

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 07:43

Alright. unFoS: pevergreen, then.

I'm starting to think this night was just filled with some terrible inactivity by the players, which really annoys me.

So far, my FoS list is:

Quintus
AVSM
King Jan III
Cronos Impera
El Diablo

Those who didn't send in assigned group orders but have a reasonable excuse:

splitpersonality
white_eyes

Which is really far too many. And this was just from two of the conflict groups. We haven't even heard from the Quintus Protect/Attack groups yet.

:wall:

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 07:44

I was never told who the rest of the kill group was,

You're going to cast FoS on me because I couldn't have done it even if I wanted to?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 07:50

Was it necessary to send in who you were acting with as well? :inquisitive:

As for right now, I don't think you're guilty, split. My main suspicions lie with Cronos Impera, who I know almost nothing about, and with AVSM, who told me he sent his orders in but evidently didn't, according to pever's pm. You're just up there so I remember who didn't send in the night actions they were assigned, really.

Actually, by that logic, white_eyes should go up there, too, although he implied to be about as confused as you were.

I'd also like to see Marshal Murat's results from his night action: how many others showed up to do the kill, which we now know failed?

A Very Super Market

06-29-2009, 07:54

I have no idea what's going on. You set up conflicting groups for the wrong person? pever wasn't even in my group, was he?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 08:01

Pever got swapped into your group instead of split because he refused to kill in night actions.

Something tells me that I may be at fault for not re-informing everyone else in the groups, and I apologize for that, but I figured the groups would work themselves out, and as long as each player had most of those given in the pm, they would work together.

Evidently it didn't work that way. If you guys still want me to organize for the next night phase, I'll be much more thorough, even if it means even more pm-spamming than I've already done. I already had to empty my pm box once because of that night phase. :shame:

Can we see your results, AVSM, if you sent in the orders?

Edit to avoid double-posting: I have to sleep now. It's 3:00 AM where I am. I'll be back in (roughly) 7 or 8 hours.

naut

06-29-2009, 08:51

Seems like there was mass confusion. Half my group were assigned to two different tasks. Awesome...

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and one of them hasn't yet arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Murder failed.
Seems my group, minus pever, turned up (as he switched to protection). Yet, they had a different target to what I had. Double failure. :laugh4:

Edit: Good thing it wasn't a protection group!

Death is yonder

06-29-2009, 09:25

Chaotix, it was THE MAFIA that killed Phog...

Even with the protection, there would be no way he would survive a dual attack (if it was carried out)

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and one of them hasn't yet arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Murder failed.

FoS: The related People, one of you, IS GUILTY!

Edit: This is the vigilante group on Phog of war

Quintus.JC

06-29-2009, 09:58

:gah: I am really, really confused right now. Can't someone give a simple explanation to the all the actions from last night, too many people are turning up with different versions of stories.

Cronos Impera

06-29-2009, 11:22

I did my part in the protection group.....
Never mind...here is my vote.
FoS: Cultured Drizzt Fan

Yaropolk

06-29-2009, 14:01

Points long rotting zombie FOS at Cronos Impera

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-29-2009, 14:31

I did my part in the protection group.....
Never mind...here is my vote.
FoS: Cultured Drizzt Fan

OHHH COME ON!!!!! one time, I lead to your death ONE TIME! Beskar has a much better reason to hate me and so does DIY, at least I have been killing them over and over again in different games. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::clown::clown:

My protection group was also very disorganized. we need to keep these organized if we want them to work.
Also I was not supposed to protect Beaver, I got a POM from Chaotix saying I was helping GH instead and that he was taking over in that group.

Death is yonder

06-29-2009, 14:57

Vote:Johnhughtom

Soo, where were you last night mm?

Understandably it was fortunate that it failed, but why?

We didn't know that the protection group would be faulty and in such a mess. And 1 person didn't send in his orders, and Phog was killed by the mafia.

Speak up! You've been quiet since the QJC affair.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 16:01

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 16:06

Vote:Johnhughtom

Soo, where were you last night mm?

Last nght I was rocking my little socks off at an AC/DC concert, so haven't been able to check in here as I've been away from my comp since yesterday morning. My night action pm has been sent to Chaotix.

CountArach

06-29-2009, 16:11

the attack failed as 2 of them did not arrive - we know one of them was WE.

so Iskander and Marshal Murat have to answer. :whip:
Vote: Marshal Murat for the moment based on this. Will see what their defences are and I might change.

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 16:14

Was it necessary to send in who you were acting with as well?

I'm pretty sure you need all of the names on the list when you send in an order, so yeah it would've been...

Quintus.JC

06-29-2009, 17:11

Hate to throw in more confusion than there already is... but needs to be done.

i was part of a vigilante group to kill phog of war with Iskander, Murat and White_Eyes.

the attack failed as 2 of them did not arrive - we know one of them was WE.

so Iskander and Marshal Murat have to answer. :whip:

if they both claim to have sent in their orders, we can ask them to send their result PMs to 3 or 4 other selected people, i can send mine and we can compare. :juggle2:

It seems my disadvantage to not have played in the Rubicon. To be honest a lot of the stuff happening here isn't making much sense to me; conflicting orders, protection and vig groups with strange targets... :dizzy2: :gah:

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 17:40

Hate to throw in more confusion than there already is... but needs to be done.

i was part of a vigilante group to kill phog of war with Iskander, Murat and White_Eyes.

the attack failed as 2 of them did not arrive - we know one of them was WE.

so Iskander and Marshal Murat have to answer. :whip:

if they both claim to have sent in their orders, we can ask them to send their result PMs to 3 or 4 other selected people, i can send mine and we can compare. :juggle2:

Atheotes, you were smart enough to cc your night order to the rest of us so we know you took part. I sent in my order to Ignoramus but he didn't respond to me (Ignoramus, where art thou?) so my word is my best defence right now. I just assumed that the protection group didn't show since he ended up dead.

Was it necessary to send in who you were acting with as well? :inquisitive:

Yes, I learned that lesson the hard way in Rubicon.

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 17:53

Something tells me that I may be at fault for not re-informing everyone else in the groups, and I apologize for that, but I figured the groups would work themselves out, and as long as each player had most of those given in the pm, they would work together.

No worry's. I remember from taking over from sasaki in rubicon and organising all the different groups is quite hard work especially when you have someone who refuses to cooperate... I think i had less people to organise as well...

In Rubicon at least you need to make sure every person in a group knows the names of the other people in thier group, they then have to send the order off with the names of thier group members included in the message

For example i would send,

I will be protecting Beaver, with Quintus, splitpersonality, CountArach and johnhughthom.

Everyone in the group needs to send the message (except swapping thier name with mine) for the group action to work...

If someone doesn't know the others in thier group, or if someone doesn't include the other names in the list the protection will not work and it'll show as someone not turning up...

A good idea might be to put the more trusted cooperative people into the protection groups and the less cooperative people into the attack groups, its better the attack fails than the protection...

Im happy for you to remain organiser but you need to make sure you let people know a little bit in advance what they will be doing... plan the night actions know with who's doing what (remember someones getting lynched though) send out the planned night actions to everyone before the night phase finishes...

Also ask everyone to send thier orders to you and Ignoramus at the same time like i did, that way you can be sure a full group got its orders in (or not) and if it did and the order failed then someone in that group changed thier orders to kill instead...

If you want some help i could take over one set of defenders and attackers... you could pick the target and i will organise us (including me) to attack and defend that target...

My innocence is in no way proven though so thats a risk but it could help the organisation...

Edit: just to make this clear maybe everyone should send thier orders into Ignoramus, whoever is organising the group (chaotix last night) and also send it to ever other player in your group. That way it will take away alot of cheap excuses people could have...

atheotes

06-29-2009, 17:54

Atheotes, you were smart enough to cc your night order to the rest of us so we know you took part. I sent in my order to Ignoramus but he didn't respond to me (Ignoramus, where art thou?) so my word is my best defence right now. I just assumed that the protection group didn't show since he ended up dead.

I got a night action result from Ignoramus abt 15 mins after the thread was updated with the write-up. :inquisitive:

let see what Murat has to say about this...

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 17:56

My night action result came in pretty quickly as well... though i don't see why Iksander would drop himself in it like this if he was mafia...

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 18:04

All good points, LG. My concern (besides who didn't sent in night orders) is what the organizer himself is doing. Chaotix, just to be fair, were you in a group last night?

Edit: I'll PM Ignoramus right now.

Greyblades

06-29-2009, 18:06

Cant you just stop wasting nights making intentionally doomed kill attempts and just use your numbers to investigate en-mass?

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 18:12

If this is like Rubicon, then investigations won't reveal if they're guilty, just what faction they are on.

naut

06-29-2009, 18:12

Cant you just stop wasting nights making intentionally doomed kill attempts and just use your numbers to investigate en-mass?
Investigations only show faction. So if everyone is investigating, then all we will get is their faction and if they were doing something. But most will be investigating, so it'll say they were doing something and scum can hide in amongst the other people.

I.E. useless.

Edit: Also a kill-protect scheme means it's harder for scum to dodge orders if properly organised.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 18:12

Blah. I'm back, got lots of things to answer here. I'll start with the quick question by Iskander:

Yes, I was originally to be part of GH's Protection group on Quintus, but I learned that he had already recruited Psychonaut and CDF, so there was no need for me to be there. So I reassigned myself and Phog of War to take their places, and notified everyone who was involved of the switch. I wound up in the kill group on Beaver, which failed because split didn't act.

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 18:16

Split didn't act because split didn't know his co=conspirators :l

I'm not mafia you know, I can't kill someone by sending in just my name!

Greyblades

06-29-2009, 18:16

@ Iskander: Thats true I guess but it seems to be a bit more of a waste to have everyone tied up in pointless night kill attempts at least you get something out of investigations.

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 18:26

Ok, guess I can't PM Ignoramus:

"Ignoramus has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

naut

06-29-2009, 18:27

@ Iskander: Thats true I guess but it seems to be a bit more of a waste to have everyone tied up in pointless night kill attempts at least you get something out of investigations.
The kill attempts are useful because if someone skips a protect attempt the result is public. With investigations people can just pretend they did and forge the resulting PMs, etc.

Splitpersonality

06-29-2009, 18:30

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 18:54

.....................

:furious3:

I hate my stupid wifi connection. I literally had the whole post laid out, ready to submit- Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage.

Now, I will go back and do it all over again.... :wall:

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 19:07

Notepad is your friend chaotix, i usually copy paste my long posts into there before i send them...

Investigating is useless, maybe later in the game if we have only one set of mafia to kill it could be useful, but atm its useless and there is not much proof that you have actually been investigating.

For example iksander and hugh choose to fake investigations to me whilst i was head of the townie group.

So protect kill orders against people with the lowest post count is the way to go!

atheotes

06-29-2009, 19:11

I was under the impression that investigations only yielded factional information, such as in rubicon. If it does that I believe we should REFRAIN from investigating, so we don't have a faction victory attempt again.

If they do more than that, then by all means do it.

investigation results just state the faction and if there was some activity (ex: there was some unusual activity)

p.s. i can quote a result i got from investigation... but dont want it to be used to forge results...even though the chances of something like that is very very low. :juggle2:

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 19:13

For example iksander and hugh choose to fake investigations to me whilst i was head of the townie group.

(This was in Rubicon, mind you, not the current game!:beam:)

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 19:19

Lol, yeah to avoid confusion iksander and johnhugh were doing that in a different game. Its just an example of how the mafia can use investigations to thier benefit.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 19:20

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Quintus Protect Group
Cultured Drizzt Fan- claims to have acted
Shinseikhaan- did not act
Psychonaut- confused and went with original group action
GeneralHankerchief- did not act

We still don't know whether this group acted or failed. Can I see CDF's results?

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- did not act, according to atheotes' results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

Phog Protect Group
A Very Super Market- accoreding to pever, did not act.
Quintus- same as AVSM
pevergreen- we have his results.
Beaver- dead, obviously
King Jan III Sobieski- probably wasn't even active

This group confuses me. I'm not sure if they really didn't act, or if pever only received that because nobody knew he was in the group. This needs more clarification by the members.

Beaver Kill Group
split- was confused, did not know his teammates
CountArach - cleared by my results, which said only one didn't show.
Chaotix- My results are in the thread a few pages back.
Caius- same as CountArach, also sent me his orders when he sent them to Igno.

I'm pretty sure I've got this group figured out.

Beaver Protect Group
El Diablo- didn't act, according to LG
Yaropolk- dead
Phog of War- dead
LittleGrizzly- we have his results
Cronos Impera- same as El Diablo.

The only thing we have to worry about here is LG lying...

And so, our grand FoS list goes something like this (Now in order of suspicion):

AVSM
Death is Yonder
El Diablo
Cronos Impera
Iskander
Greyblades
Beskar
Quintus
khaan
GeneralHankerchief
King Jan III

And here's a list of our confused individuals as well:
Psychonaut
white_eyes
splitpersonality

EDIT#1: I'm not going to keep re-posting this, just updating it. This edit contains details on Iskander and Greyblades.

EDIT#2: Quintus attack group supposedly solved. John is no longer on the FoS list.

EDIT#3: GH and khaan didn't act, so whatever the excuse I'm gonna have to put them on the list.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 19:33

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- will be cleared (or not) by results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

[/B]

Chaotix, I CCed you on my night action PM to Ignoramus. That alone will not prove i participated in the group action. I can send in another order after that and the newest one will stand. So we need the results from Marshal Murat as well.

i will forward my night actions results

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 19:36

The one thing is, El Diablo didn't seem to even realise i was in his group. Are you sure you included my name in the pms to other members of the group...

If they didn't include my name that would be the reason no one showed up...

Edit: just read my pm and its pretty clear i am in the group and that pm was sent to ED...

Greyblades

06-29-2009, 19:37

Deja-vu all over again.
I didn't act because, like little grizzly did in the rubicon game, you PMed me out of the blue, without even asking if I wanted to help you or was doing something else, and told me that I was to kill quintus.

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 19:38

Vote El Diablo

subject to change but based on what i know so far..

Edit

Get pevergreen and Greyblades to investigate me.... seen as they refuse to protect or kill...

I will give you my faction (which afaik noone else knows) and then you can compare the results they give you with this..

Its a good way to keep the uncooperative occupied and without an excuse...

Either that or threatening to kill them worked well for me last time..

atheotes

06-29-2009, 19:45

Ok, guess I can't PM Ignoramus:

"Ignoramus has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

once the host takes care of this and iskander gets an answer, we might be able to nail a mafia today :juggle2:

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 19:51

"Iskander 3.1- did not act, according to atheotes' results."
Results of what?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 19:51

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

As for Greyblades: I posted in the thread, offering to set up conflicting night groups for everyone, before the night phase even started. A short discussion followed, where several people approved, and nobody disapproved, so I decided to take the job.

Then, I sent the pms out, while there were still roughly 24 hours left in the phase due to Igno's extension, and paraphrased what I just said in every pm.

I didn't know that you didn't want to be in an action group, because you never said a word about it. You didn't mention anything in the thread, nor did you pm me back with questions or complaints.

So please don't complain to me now that I "pm'ed you out of the blue without asking you", because given the circumstances it's really not a valid excuse.

Edit to Iskander: His failed kill results. He cc'ed me orders, Murat cc'ed me orders, and we know that white_eyes didn't act. The orders reported two missing people. Therefore, you most probably have not acted

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 19:58

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

Edit to Chaotix I didn't cc orders, but keep in mind that just because someone sent in orders doesn't mean that they didn't change later. Here's a copy of what I sent to Ignoramus (copied from my outbox).

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

Greyblades

06-29-2009, 20:00

I didnt reply because I was kinda engrossed in a new game at the time :sweatdrop: all the time I spent on my computer not playing it was making the role PMs in cold war cataclysm.

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 20:03

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms
johnhughtom- have his results
Death is yonder- have his results

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

atheotes

06-29-2009, 20:05

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

good point... i was just thinking about that :2thumbsup:

LittleGrizzly

06-29-2009, 20:06

Beskar could really help clear this one way or the other...

If he didn't get his action in DiY is lieing, if he did, johnhugh is lieing...

Beskar ?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 20:10

Iskander: I am aware that order changes may have occurred. Because of this, I'd also like to see Murat's results before I advocate your lynch.

I have to say, I do think it's odd that Ignoramus didn't send you results, but it's definitely possible, too.

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 20:11

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

that means i sent in my actions about 5 hours after you did...

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 20:13

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 20:16

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

you can also ask them to forward the result PMs.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 20:19

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

Yes; if Beskar did not act, then the only possibility is that DiY was lying but still got orders in. That doesn't make too much sense.

If Beskar acted, then there are two possibilities:

Either DiY is telling the truth, but John acted even though he lied,

Or John is telling the truth, and it was only John and Beskar that acted.

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 20:22

Thank you Chaotix, I was getting a sore heading working out how to explain the logic, now I don't have to. :sweatdrop:

seireikhaan

06-29-2009, 20:25

So yeah, to quote His Pizza-ness.... That was a cluster and a half of something that rhymes with duck,

I PM'd GH to offer to help out. Then Chaotix apparently got into the dealio somehow, and then I was told we'd "figure it out" by Monday. Never got a PM after that, so I had no idear who was supposed to be doing what. Apparently I was not alone in this. :dizzy2:

Frankly, there's so much :daisy: strewn all over this as to who did what and who was supposed to do what and who might've just been wishing for quiet night over few cups of tea....

This is why I'm not terribly fond of pro-town groups. Oh well. Vote: Death is Yonder. Apparently some kind of inconsistency with his reporting.

Beskar

06-29-2009, 20:36

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

Sure, I can do. It was entirely my error, so I apologise in advance.

Basically, I worked with Yaropolk all the way through the game in groups, I was expecting orders from him, but they never came and thus I never sent in any orders at all.

Then admittedly, I saw Choasix's pm saying to do orders to kill some one, and I was like "Why am I being randomed out of the blue to attempt to kill some one?"

Anyway, so I am sorry for my lack of action also in advance, if you want me to do orders, could you put me in a defence group as well?

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 20:36

Hello, all. Since no one objected to me setting up the conflict groups for tonight, I will be... well, setting them up.

The job of all four of you (khaan, GH, taka, Phog), as well as for myself, for tonight is to Protect Quintus. If all of us act, we should have a larger group than the attacking group, so we have nothing to worry about.

Have fun!

PM was sent to GH, khaan, taka, and Phog of War, on June 27 (2 days ago). However, I can understand your confusion, because later taka, myself, and Phog were removed and replaced by CDF and Psychonaut, without notifying you.

Also, I've received a pm from Beskar- he did not get his night actions in. That means there were two who acted and two who didn't. Johnhughthom has the truthful result pm, but I am unsure why Death is Yonder would put out a fake one if he was doing the action as well.

GeneralHankerchief

06-29-2009, 20:50

My fault about the Quintus protection not going through. I thought we had more time to work things out and I arrived back from work on Monday morning with the night having already concluded.

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 20:54

If Beskar didn't act that is very odd, unless Ignoramus has made a mistake...

Unvote: Death is yonder

Beskar

06-29-2009, 21:02

You know, its a good thing we never acted if the protection group failed.

Caius

06-29-2009, 21:06

FoS: Caius, CountArach, splitpersonality.

Edit: additionally, it seems the protection group on Phog of War failed, and the vigilantes were allowed to kill him.
Then it was CA. Because I sent the mail, and I wrote you one hour after you sent the last PM.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 21:11

It was splitpersonality, Caius. He's already admitted to not sending in the action. My results imply that both you and CA were there, though, because only one person was missing from the action.

Beskar

06-29-2009, 21:15

Caius

06-29-2009, 21:25

It was splitpersonality, Caius. He's already admitted to not sending in the action. My results imply that both you and CA were there, though, because only one person was missing from the action.
Now that I see the new page... you are right. Sorry CA.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 21:25

atheotes

06-29-2009, 21:27

Unless Choatix is actually the Mafia and Splitpersonality is his partner or some one he convinced to send in result as he went on his killing spree.

Who would expect the leader of the townie group to be the true Mafia. He would know who gets protected, thus know who to kill and influence who to lynch.

One way to avoid that is have atleast one more person working with Chaotix to organize things... that when chaotix gets targeted we will have someone with knowledge of whats happening.

Also, we have to ensure that all active people are part of protection/kill groups - ensuring no kills from the active players. the inactive players can be lynched. if we have them in townie groups it will only result in more confusion when they dont act.

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why. :bow:

Tratorix

06-29-2009, 21:30

Well,this makes me feel a lot better about not being able to organize one of these groups the first night. :laugh4: Good luck guys, your gonna need it.

Also, QuintusJC status: Still alive, Still guilty.

Iskander 3.1

06-29-2009, 21:31

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why. :bow:

Good idea. I'd still like to know why Pever doesn't want to take part in kills...

Beskar

06-29-2009, 21:34

Also, we have to ensure that all active people are part of protection/kill groups - ensuring no kills from the active players. the inactive players can be lynched. if we have them in townie groups it will only result in more confusion when they dont act.

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why. :bow:

Your first point make sense, I will join vigilante kill groups if that is the case then. That I can accept.

However, you can kill innocents if you do it to just anyone, which makes it easier for the Mafia to win. Do you want to assist the Mafia in winning?

El Diablo

06-29-2009, 21:34

I have not recieved a night action result.

Does this mean that our host did njot get mine?

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 21:40

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why. :bow:

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 21:44

Your first point make sense, I will join vigilante kill groups if that is the case then. That I can accept.

However, you can kill innocents if you do it to just anyone, which makes it easier for the Mafia to win. Do you want to assist the Mafia in winning?

for this strategy to work, we need all the players to be active. inactive players are a real hindrance. so we should have inactive players as targets... we might lose the odd player at the cost of finding the mafia
if the groups contain active players, the chances of the protection group failing without revealing mafia is very slim. :juggle2:

Tratorix

06-29-2009, 21:44

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.

You also have to remember the group in Rubicon was backed by two power town roles who could investigate, switch votes and convert townies into confirmed innocents. It's ridiculous to think just setting up conflicting Kill/ Protect groups would be just as effective. Hopefully it will help reveal some mafia, but not if people all drop out because of a few bumps in the road. Besides, it's not like you have anything better to do in the night phase... right? :inquisitive:

Beskar

06-29-2009, 21:47

If you are desperate, make me. All I can be accused of is game negligence and paying attention to my mini-mafia games. :sweatdrop:

Though, you are all missing a big problem. What happens if the Mafia just complies? It will stalemate the game for good and the Mafia just win because people gave up.

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 21:48

Besides, it's not like you have anything better to do in the night phase... right? :inquisitive:

You did read the first sentence of the second paragraph? I was just suggesting why people may not want to take part and saying it could be better organised by somebody with experience of doing it.

Tratorix

06-29-2009, 21:51

You did read the first sentence of the second paragraph? I was just suggesting why people may not want to take part and saying it could be better organised by somebody with experience of doing it.

Wasn't trying to accuse you, just keeping you on your toes. :laugh4:

I was just pointing out the reason that this group doesn't seem nearly as effective. LG does have a bit more experience, but someone put forth the idea of him doing it early in the game, and he didn't seem too thrilled about the idea. Chaotix has stepped forward and tried his best, even if it didn't work so well last night.

atheotes

06-29-2009, 21:55

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.
i disagree - it was only in the end game in Rubicon (after the elimination of the Pompeians iirc) did it become well organized. Sasaki twice failed to give me night actions after getting my consent and let me go about my business as mafia. all the information was not out in the thread for everyone to know :bow: (no offense to Sasaki or anyone - the mafia lost because of the coordination :embarassed:)
it is just that it is difficult to organize such a large number of players including inactive ones. we did not get it right the first time we tried it....so what? the strategy won the game for the town in Rubicon and i do not see why it should not work. :juggle2:

johnhughthom

06-29-2009, 21:58

OK, if you need help co-ordinating things Chaotix I volunteer. May as well put my time where my mouth is...

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-29-2009, 23:09

ugghhh this is complicated, Chaotix here is what happened. I talked with GH about it and I believe that things simply got really messed up. I was also contacted out of the blue by you, which was slightly annoying I must say. and GH also never responded to my PM saying I was willing to help, which made the fact I was supposed to be in the Quintus group kinda WTF?

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and none of them have arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Guarding failed.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 23:23

OK, if you need help co-ordinating things Chaotix I volunteer. May as well put my time where my mouth is...

If you're willing to help out, I'd much appreciate it. I definitely could use a little assistance in setting up these groups and making sure everyone acts. :2thumbsup:

Ignoramus

06-29-2009, 23:44

Sorry about the full PM box.

I need to receive PM's from all people involved in night actions. A list of the participants doesn't cut it.

Ignoramus

06-29-2009, 23:48

@ Game host Ignoramus

What would happen to a voting tie?

A vote off would happen.

I've stopped sending Pm's to the mafia for successful kills, as they know what happened from the write-ups.

Chaotix

06-29-2009, 23:58

I've stopped sending Pm's to the mafia for successful kills, as they know what happened from the write-ups.

What a coincidence.

Vote: Iskander

Don't worry, the real incriminating evidence will come later. In fact, your whole mafia family may as well just give up.

:devilish:

taka

06-30-2009, 00:10

What a coincidence.

Vote: Iskander

Don't worry, the real incriminating evidence will come later. In fact, your whole mafia family may as well just give up.

:devilish:

And here it is:

You send a servant off to watch spL1tp3r50naL1y's hut. Several hours later, the servant returns with a detailed report. He reports the following:

“This is munity! You can’t force your leader to lead the way!”
- Governor Perfidius

Governor Perfidius (Perfidius)
Roman Governor
(Roman Leadership)

As Governor of Corisca, your lot has been a hard one. The locals have not exactly been friendly. Not to mention the bunch of nitwit legionaries who are posted to garrison the province.

What is worse, an important prisoner has been rescued by a band of Gauls. It is time to teach those upstarts a lesson.

Victory Conditions:
Eliminate all Gallic Leaders and Gallic Villager Delegates. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this condition is met while any other Roma Leader is still alive.

Your allies are:
General Brutus (Brutus) - Roman General - A Very Super Market
Governor Encyclopaedicus Britannicus (Britannicus) - Roman Governor - Iskander 3.1

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Murder - You can attempt to kill one player per night. If you attempt to kill alone and the target is protected, you will fail. If two Roman Leaders attempt to kill the same target, you will succeed even if the target is protected.
(2) Guard - You can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.

Participation in Delegate Groups:
(1) You count towards the success of Delegate murder, guarding, and spying groups. This means that, operating together, two Governors can conduct a basic Delegate investigation. Note that since you can murder or guard alone, Delegate murder and guarding groups that you take part in will succeed (unless otherwise prevented in some manner) even if all of the players do not submit proper orders. If you join a group, you will not be able to use a night action.

Special Ability:
(1) Promotion – If at any point the Roman General dies, your role will permanently change to that of Roman General. If multiple Roman Governors are alive when this happens, the promotion will be determined randomly.
He also reports that spL1tp3r50naL1y was not active last night.

Spying successful

I am a special Investigator role. When i investigate i get the whole role pm.

So The Roman Mafia family includes: AVSM, Iskander and Split.

now lets find a civil was to get rid of these 3 :mellow:

Vote: AVSM

Also on a side note, since my role is revealed, I need to find Vexatius Sinusitus (Sinusitus) if you're still around. Together we can make a better future for the gauls and romans!

taka

06-30-2009, 00:13

i guess that explains why all the groups with those 3 in were messed up. most probably not that they didnt know what to do or whatever, its more like because they are mafia

if we tie two of the mafia together with votes and probably request both to be executed, then we can kill off another tonight.

El Diablo

06-30-2009, 00:14

Unvote vote AVSM

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 00:18

I am sorry, but I am not sure I buy it..... Rubicon had no such role, and I find it hard to believe that Ignoramus would put a role in the game which could find all three mafia at once. I say you are either a mafia trying to trick us, or a townie who is just screwing with us. If you could more accurately explain your ability....

taka

06-30-2009, 00:20

i have no reason to screw town as my only victory condition is that i can only go for a town win.

and this is not rubicon - this is asterix and the gauls

edit:

and this is the two other investigations i did:

You send a servant off to watch Yaropolk’s hut. Several hours later, the servant returns with a detailed report. He reports the following.

post back up later.

Spying successful

You send a servant off to watch Jolt's hut. Several hours later, the servant returns with a detailed report. He reports the following:

post back up later.

The messenger indicates that Jolt was not active that night.

Spying successful

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 00:21

which is based heavily on Rubicon. and I ask again, why would Ignoramus put a role in that would find all mafia at once. I still don't buy it. Vote: abstain

Beskar

06-30-2009, 00:22

vote: Taka

He is the Roman general and just edited his own role-pm to kill other people.

johnhughthom

06-30-2009, 00:23

Woah, now that is an overpowered role, not sure I buy that at all.

taka

06-30-2009, 00:24

re-read my posts up above

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 00:24

exactly, no one would ever put such an overpowered role in..... its a game breaker. one lucky investigation and half the mafia is dead....:no: not buying it.

taka

06-30-2009, 00:35

you dont have to buy it, im giving it for free.

and yea i do have a power role and it makes sense - after all i am the one that prevents the romans from taking over all of gaul and trying to make peace for everyone.

if you dont believe me i guess i could investigate you tonight and tell you your role?

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 00:37

if you can do that then yes, I will believe you. But right now I am understandably skeptical.

Beskar

06-30-2009, 00:40

johnhughthom

06-30-2009, 00:41

If you claimed a role that let you do that once, maybe. But every investigation giving you a role pm? Come on now, who would put that in a game?

Greyblades

06-30-2009, 00:44

Hmph I'm not sure I like this. I say we choose one to lynch and when its night we investigate the other two. If either of them turn out to not be roman we lynch taka.
Or we could just lynch one and night kill Taka and the other two just to be sure.

atheotes

06-30-2009, 00:50

i think if someone is going to be lynched...
vote: AVSM

Chaotix

06-30-2009, 00:53

Split's the leader of the group. He's probably got night kill defense as well.

Unvote, Vote: splitpersonality.

taka

06-30-2009, 00:58

@Beskar

no, dont selectively read, read all of it. if you read some of the background info on wikipedia, i am probably the most important character as i help prevent roman invasions etc.

@john

i guess thats how the game works. the other 2 investigations showed full role pms too.

i suggest lynching AVSM first will probably give us some clues in his lynch write-up. and if we can tie it with one of the others then do that.

i know that it probably sounds to good to be true, but hey, i'm only doing what i can

taka

06-30-2009, 00:58

@chaotix,

no it would seem that AVSM is the leader of the group since he is the general

sorry for double post

A Very Super Market

06-30-2009, 01:00

A role which can instantly take out one of only two mafia families in a large game? You had best be kidding.

Chaotix

06-30-2009, 01:01

@chaotix,

no it would seem that AVSM is the leader of the group since he is the general

sorry for double post

ah, you're correct. I saw "Roman Leadership" and assumed he was, well, the leader.

Unvote, Vote AVSM :laugh4:

Beskar

06-30-2009, 01:03

A role which can instantly take out one of only two mafia families in a large game? You had best be kidding.

Unvote; Vote: AVSM

atheotes

06-30-2009, 01:03

Split's the leader of the group. He's probably got night kill defense as well.

Unvote, Vote: splitpersonality.

actually, AVSM is the Roman general... the leader. please vote AVSM

Splitpersonality

06-30-2009, 01:16

I really would enjoy night kill defense, believe me I would, but uh, I'm sadly not that important of a role.

I'm sorry I really can't buy, or take for free, a role which can out an entire family with one part, it wouldn't make sense to out the entire family, so I can't see why it would include "my friends" in the "roman army", because that's just preposterously game breaking...

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 01:18

could AVSM, Split, and Iskander post their Role Pm's then? if you are able to bring some proper PM's forward then we will know Taka is lying.

pevergreen

06-30-2009, 01:19

Vote: AVSM

Nothing to lose, as I see it.

taka

06-30-2009, 01:30

i can imagine a lot of editing if they post their roles.

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 01:31

still, it would take a lot of effort to create a Viable fake role PM. if they can post something that actually looks real and has actual abilities the I am willing to believe them.

taka

06-30-2009, 01:44

if they come up with a mason group, i'll :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

06-30-2009, 01:57

I don't buy it.

Vote: taka

Splitpersonality

06-30-2009, 02:07

Vote: taka

Iskander 3.1

06-30-2009, 02:08

I don't either. Vote: taka You could have put any names into that PM.

Tratorix

06-30-2009, 02:10

I don't buy it.

Vote: taka

See, this guy is pretty sharp. He might be good at these games one day. You should all listen to him.

taka

06-30-2009, 02:10

dont just vote for me, show us your role pms as well if you want to prove your innocence... well i guess you can't cause it'll be the same as the one i posted

Greyblades

06-30-2009, 02:15

Vote: AVSM
I still think we should lynch one and investigate the other two.

Tratorix

06-30-2009, 02:17

dont just vote for me, show us your role pms as well if you want to prove your innocence... well i guess you can't cause it'll be the same as the one i posted

You should also show your role pm. I want to see how good your fake is.

taka

06-30-2009, 02:22

sure, i have nothing to hide:

“I must think of a way out of this.”
- Getafix

Druid Getafix(Getafix)
Gallic Diplomat
(Gallic Villagers)

You are the last bastion of Gaul. Without your magic potion, all Gallic resistance to Rome would be ended.

However, you are not so narrow-minded as not to seek peace and harmony with Romans. You believe that there can be lasting peace and friendship between both Gaul and Roman. The task, however, will be extremely difficult.

Victory Conditions:
Eliminate all Gallic Leaders and Roman Leaders. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.
Unlike the other Gallic Villagers, you cannot win by eliminating the Roman Citizens. Your only option is to save Gaul.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Spy - You can investigate another player. The investigation will show the player's faction, full name, role, and whether they were active that night (though not what they were doing).
(2) Persuasion - You can attempt to change the victory conditions of any living player. This ability will fail if attempted on any role other than a Gallic Villager. If successful, this will permanently remove the option to eliminate the Roman Citizens from that player’s victory conditions, thus forcing them to eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians in order to win. This ability can only be used three times.

Day Actions:
(1) Magic Potion - During a day phase, you can brew a batch of magic potion to be given to another delegate at your will. That batch will enable them to either protect themselves or attack another delegate by themselves. You cannot give the magic potion to the same delegate in consequent days(You can’t give him potion one day, and then give him potion the next day).

Participation in Delagate Groups:
(1) You count towards the success of Delegate kill, protection, and investigation groups. If you join a group, you will not be able to use a night action.

Special Ability:
(1) Unity - If you locate Vexatius Sinusitus (Sinusitus), both you and he will become immune to execution (lynching) during the Day Phase. In order to prove that you have located Sinusitus, you must send me (Ignoramus) a PM telling me who Sinusitus is and Sinusitus must send me a PM telling me who you are. Locating Sinusitus may prove difficult, but perhaps he might recognize you if you mentioned a silver star...

now that my role is revealed completely, i guess i'll be dead tonight unless i get lots of protection. but i least i took down a mafia family with me

Tratorix

06-30-2009, 02:24

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) Spy - You can investigate another player. The investigation will show the player's faction, full name, role, and whether they were active that night (though not what they were doing).
(2) Persuasion - You can attempt to change the victory conditions of any living player. This ability will fail if attempted on any role other than a Gallic Villager. If successful, this will permanently remove the option to eliminate the Roman Citizens from that player’s victory conditions, thus forcing them to eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians in order to win. This ability can only be used three times.

Spot the mistake people! :yes:

johnhughthom

06-30-2009, 02:25

Interesting role...

Beskar

06-30-2009, 02:25

Taka's role is fake!

Read this bit:

thus forcing them to eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians in order to win. This ability can only be used three times.

Rubicon in my Asterix game?

unvote; vote:Taka

taka

06-30-2009, 02:27

Spot the mistake people! :yes:

true, thats what i thought but whatever, i have enough full roles pms to prove that i can investigate and get full role pm.

Splitpersonality

06-30-2009, 02:27

(2) Persuasion - You can attempt to change the victory conditions of any living player. This ability will fail if attempted on any role other than a Gallic Villager. If successful, this will permanently remove the option to eliminate the Roman Citizens from that player’s victory conditions, thus forcing them to eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians in order to win. This ability can only be used three times.

<_<

Though getafix is indeed a gaulish wizard, the rest of it seems as correct, as wikipedia easily tells me...

Tratorix

06-30-2009, 02:29

true, thats what i thought but whatever, i have enough full roles pms to prove that i can investigate and get full role pm.

Or, you're making it all up. I'm not buying this, that role is way too overpowered, even more so than the orators were in Rubicon. I mean revealing an entire mafia family with one investigation, with another role out there with similar abilities? Why not just declare the town victorious after sign-ups closed?

Cultured Drizzt fan

06-30-2009, 02:30

huh.... I am actually starting to believe him, his idea is Just TO out there (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity)

edit, just noticed the Ceaserian thing..... may be a typo but I am now back to being a bit more suspicious.....

taka

06-30-2009, 02:30

all i can say is that ignoramus probably took a copy of some role from rubicon and edited (with mistakes of course).

so, split, iskander and AVSM - ive shown mine, where yours?

johnhughthom

06-30-2009, 02:35

all i can say is that ignoramus probably took a copy of some role from rubicon and edited (with mistakes of course).

so, split, iskander and AVSM - ive shown mine, where yours?

You realise they all played Rubicon and you have given them a simple way to fake a role pm. Not to mention the two you posted last page...

taka

06-30-2009, 02:41

ah probably, but can they get the names right? and they're not posting their roles even when its been called out for several times AND they've posted on other places. is posting on other threads more important than your mafia role on the line? or maybe they're drafting a role up.

either way, i've willing to have my head out to take down a mafia family so early on in the game.

edit

also i didnt play rubicon so i dont have a role pm to copy off

atheotes

06-30-2009, 02:42

the fact that split, iskander and AVSM have not yet revealed their role PMs makes it more likely that taka is telling the truth. i do believe that Ignoramus modified the Rubicon PMs and sent them out. i felt that the Role PMs were a bit rushed and it is entirely plausible that Ignoramus made that mistake. :bow:

LittleGrizzly

06-30-2009, 03:09

Vote AVSM

I believe Taka, where are these counter pm's, wouldn't taka have noticed that mistake if he was faking a role pm, whereas Ignoramus doing a load of pm's could have rushed it...

I believe we need to setup protection of Taka tonight!

Chaotix

06-30-2009, 03:17

There's one thing that splitpersonality has yet to learn from mafia games. This is the fact that anything he says can and will be used against him.

You're mafia. You've been caught. Your time is up. Admit it.

Before I do formally confess, what faction are you?

I'm a Ro-man, man.

Your victory conditions then are to either destroy ALL mafia or destroy all gauls correct?

I've lost anyway, there's no shame in that, losing to a pretty unbalanced investigation. I almost wish the roman townies could work with the roman "mafia" as the mafia has no ill blood with their townies.

:grin:

That clinches it, I'd say. Sorry about that, old friend...