Favorite Military-Issue Rifle

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Hi all! Yes, this is inspired by the fav. MBT and fav. biplane threads. :2thumbsup:

So I thought, "Well hey; there must be a bunch of history/gun enthusiasts; lets talk about our favorite small arms too!"

But that is a bit too broad, so lets stick to our favorite service rifle(s). Yes, multiples are grand. Any nation, any period.

So I'll start. :beam:

M1903 Springfield

http://www.m1-garand.com/Springfield_opt.jpg

This rifle has so much character; very good looking. I always think it's ironic that it is a patented copy of the Mauser. :inquisitive:

Another favorite, a modern one:

http://www.gun-world.net/german/hk/g3/786hke.jpg

Heckler&Koch G3. Truly awsome!

I intend to own the CETME, the civilian-legal rifle based on this design. The CETME is actually the Spanish rifle that was the basis for the G3, IIRC.

Considering caliber, accuracy, reliability, and $$$, it'd make an AWESOME hunting rifle! Probably the most cost-effective I've seen! :yes:

What's your favorite rifle?

[Hooahguy]

my favorite:
http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/tar21_thumb.jpg
the mTAR-21.

developed in Israel, its truly a modern rifle, and very suitible for urban warfare.
also, its my favorite weapon in Rainbow 6 Vegas. :smash:

[Prussian to the Iron]

rifle? like, old and new right?

Old:
Mosin-Nagant 1944
http://www.lindsayfincher.com/gallery/d/12612-1/mosin_nagant_m44.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/Callofduty/images/8/8d/Mosin_sniper.jpg


New:
XM8

http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/blog/images/XM8FinalVersion.jpg

http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/xm8b.jpg







OT: does anyone find it odd that han solos pistol looks just like a mauser c-96?

pics:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/mauser_c96_bolo.jpg

http://content.kapowwe.com/images3/hans_solo.jpg

[A Very Super Market]

Well, they just took one and added some Space-y stuff to it. Did you notice that the stormtroopers have modified Sterlings? Or that Chewbacca gets a spaced-up crossbow?

[Ariovistus Maximus]

my favorite:
the mTAR-21.

developed in Israel, its truly a modern rifle, and very suitible for urban warfare.
also, its my favorite weapon in Rainbow 6 Vegas. :smash:

How did I know that would be your favorite, hooahguy? :laugh4: The TAR-21 IS an awesome one. I've seen them on the civilian market too! Semi-auto of course, and for like $5000 and up, but still... :shame:

Also, man with no name, I LOVE the mosin-nagant! Actually, I'm a huge fan of the

Mauser K98(k)

Mosin-Nagant M91/30

Lee Enfield MkI-III SMLE

Springfield M1903

All of those. :beam: I plan to have a collection. :2thumbsup: And all of them except the M1903 can be had for less than $300 easily! For some reason the 1903 is in the $600-800 range; no idea why. :no:

I would be a big fan of the Arisaka too if I ever found one that was in good shape. :wall:

Actually, I found one at a nearby cabella's with the chrysanthemum still in good shape! But the rest of the rifle was horrible. you could see machine marks all over the barrel (as in grooves on the exterior) and the furniture was pretty bad too. The forestock was wiggling out of place. :inquisitive:

The surviving examples seem to have been hastily produced... :whip:

Hey, how many of you guys are fairly knowledgeble about tracing WWII guns? I've got a sporterized Mauser '98, no really unique markings (not even the name of the factory) except one thing:

The Fascist Italian axe crossed with a sword. :inquisitive: Did this rifle serve in Italy or something?

[Ariovistus Maximus]

EDIT: I got all kinds of information on my Mauser.

Too late for your balloon. :clown:

The rifle saw service in the Spanish Guardia Civil during the Spanish civil war! I even found information on its specific serial # series! Really awesome to have a rifle with so much history behind it.

[Veho Nex]

My families M1... If I had a picture I would show you. I think that was the most bad A rifle ever produced. Reliable accurate, American made...

[Kagemusha]

From older ones.Finnish M/39 rifle. Arguable the best version of Mosin Nagant there was:

https://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2053/m39right.jpg

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp

From the modern ones. RK 95. Arguable the best version of AK based assault rifles there is. It is unfortunate that there are so few of these made. The upper one is RK 95, while the bottom one without the clip is RK 62, which was my service weapon also during my service in Finnish army.

https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4624/vv2000jo2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK_95_TP

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Hey guys! I found out about my Mauser from some guys on the TWC.

(yes I joined it after the .org crashed the first time) :embarassed:

Anyways, they said that the rifle was in the "Guardia Civil;" possibly serving in the Spanish Civil War. They were produced from 1916-1950. Mine has been rechambered, indicating that it may have been an earlier model. :2thumbsup:

In which case my Mauser probably saw action in Spain!

Unfortunately, it was restocked and the front and rear sight were replaced. :wall::wall::wall:

So it's not quite as much of a living history as it might have been, but it still is quite something!

Maybe I'll get it restocked someday. :juggle2:

[Prussian to the Iron]

https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4624/vv2000jo2.jpg


i coudlnt even tell that was an AK! very nice looking.

now if only sweden had someone to invade..............

[Ariovistus Maximus]

https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4624/vv2000jo2.jpg



Looks like the Galil.

http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/gunporn-galil.jpg

OK, so it looks the same as the 50 other AK types! ~:joker:

Oooh, another fav. of mine:

http://www.neaca.com/images/Barnett_FL_Blunderbuss_2_.JPG

:smash::smash::smash::smash::smash::smash:

:clown:


http://www.crestock.com/images/330000-339999/339373-xs.jpg

[Husar]

Well, it was never issued to the military, and I have never fired any rifle or gun for that matter, but I always liked the G-11 (http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm) since I first came across it (in Jagged Alliance 2 actually, then looked it up on the web).

[AggonyDuck]

Looks like the Galil.



That's because the Galil is based on the RK-62.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

That's because the Galil is based on the RK-62.

I thought they were all based on the AK. :inquisitive: There are like 50 variations of the thing.

It's all the same, I guess. :yes:

[Kagemusha]

I thought they were all based on the AK. :inquisitive: There are like 50 variations of the thing.

It's all the same, I guess. :yes:

RK 62 is evolution from AK 47, not a copy.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Well, it was never issued to the military, and I have never fired any rifle or gun for that matter, but I always liked the G-11 (http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm) since I first came across it (in Jagged Alliance 2 actually, then looked it up on the web).

that thing looks.......weird to say the least. it barely looks like a gun; more like a....uh.......not gun thing.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Well, it was never issued to the military, and I have never fired any rifle or gun for that matter, but I always liked the G-11 (http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm) since I first came across it (in Jagged Alliance 2 actually, then looked it up on the web).

Yeah, it's a bit... odd...

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Auto-Rifles/HK_G11.gif

I have to confess, no matter how many time I read how that thing works, it still sounds crazy!

Has it been adopted by anybody?

[King Kurt]

I give you 2 classics from British military history -

The Baker rifle from the Napoleonic Wars, a weapon put to deadly use by the 95th rifles and others and a forerunner of the open skirmish style of infantry warfare practised to this day.

The Martini Henry breech loader - the rifle of the Zulu wars and was instrumental in the South Wales Borderers winning 11 VCs in a day.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/The_defense_of_Rorke%27s_Drift.jpg

Apparently it had a tendency to overheat, so they had to keep it cool nature's way by peeing on the breech!!

[Husar]

Yeah, it's a bit... odd...
Maybe I have a fascination for odd things. ~D

What I like is an almost recoilless 3 round burst and I actually think it looks pretty cool.


I have to confess, no matter how many time I read how that thing works, it still sounds crazy!
It seems pretty cool, the chamber rotates and ammunition is loaded from above, there are no catridges to be ejected etc. so it can reach a very high rate of fire, IIRC though, leftovers from the explosives could cause some problems but it's been some time since I last read up on it.



Has it been adopted by anybody?
Germany could not afford it IIRC and the US Army rejected a newer version in their ACR program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Rifle), so they went for the OICW which apparently hasn't made it to the battlefield yet. I guess all the guys in Iraq still use M4s and that new fancy replacement thing or M-16s. Is the XM-8 in use? I guess since it's XM and not just M, it's not.
IMO they all fire a bullet at a target in the end, but the G-11 fires 3 bullets at that target and I kinda like the idea. ~;)

[Prussian to the Iron]

unfortunately, no, XM8 is not in use in American military.

I asked my dad-who is a major in the marine corps- why they don't use it, and he said that it passed all the tests and exceeded the requirements. I'm guessing it might have been different from th M-16 and thus hard to transition to?

M4's are in use, but not as much as those PoS M-16. I seriously hate that gun (and no, it's not because in CoD4 it only had burst fire).

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Maybe I have a fascination for odd things. ~D

What I like is an almost recoilless 3 round burst and I actually think it looks pretty cool.


Small bullets, no recoil. Big bullets, no recoil. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_Kriss) ~;)

[Prussian to the Iron]

for some reason, i love the look of that thing.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Maybe I have a fascination for odd things. ~D

I sympathize. Completely. :2thumbsup:

[QUOTE]Is the XM-8 in use?

Tragically, no. :thumbsdown: :wall:

I heard SUCH good things about testing... but they didn't take it. It seems like the brass in the ordinance dept. always blocks anything that sounds good. :whip:

OH, I FORGOT TO INCLUDE MY ALL-TIME FAVORITE RIFLE:

http://www.shilohrifle.com/catalog/images/2008_quigley.jpg

Sharps 1874 .45-70

:yes::2thumbsup::yes::2thumbsup::yes::2thumbsup:

[Husar]

Small bullets, no recoil. Big bullets, no recoil. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_Kriss) ~;)

Now that is ugly, but to compare it to the G-11 would mean that it can put 3 bullets into a person at 100 meters range with one burst, can it do that?
Also if caliber was everything that matters, wouldn't 9mm pistols beat 7.62mm machine guns? :inquisitive:

[KukriKhan]

Well, speaking only from what i've used (not been ISSUED, per se, but used) I would say the AK-47.

M16s and M4s I do not like. I've been using them for the last 2 and a half years with the US Army, and it is a perfectly capable weapon, but it is just not the greatest weapon family out there by any stretch of the imagination. I got a chance to use an AK-47 in Iraq, since we were on the same FOB as an Iraqi Army brigade and we had a lot of interactions. Took one down to their little "range" (a berm with some wooden squares in front of it) and enjoyed it immensely. I wish the US Army would get over it's obsession with our inferior rifles and get something like the AK.

I agree. For the 90% of up-close-and-personal combat situations that the standard infantryman is likely to encounter, the AK-47 is superior. You can build a workable one out of spare parts; bury it in a swamp for a week, it'll still fire. You can teach Joe-Citizen (who's never fired a slingshot) how to operate and maintain it in 5 minutes or less. Simple basic, bullet-launcher, good from 15 - 250 meters.

M16 [u]could[/b] have been competitive with Comrade Kalashnikov's design, if they'd stuck with the self-cleaning, no-brass ammo it was designed for (see "Stoner Rifle", the original design), but the logistics-types insisted on traditional rounds, making the 16 an easily-fouled, magazine-jamming, high-maintenance, wannabe-M14. The one thing it could do well was area-saturation shooting, suppressive fire. But they took even that away with the elimination of full-auto.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Well, speaking only from what i've used (not been ISSUED, per se, but used) I would say the AK-47.

M16s and M4s I do not like. I've been using them for the last 2 and a half years with the US Army, and it is a perfectly capable weapon, but it is just not the greatest weapon family out there by any stretch of the imagination. I got a chance to use an AK-47 in Iraq, since we were on the same FOB as an Iraqi Army brigade and we had a lot of interactions. Took one down to their little "range" (a berm with some wooden squares in front of it) and enjoyed it immensely. I wish the US Army would get over it's obsession with our inferior rifles and get something like the AK.

Goodness knows they would never actually take the AK. National pride and all that. :shame:

But the XM-8 I have heard is extremely reliable! They packed the thing in sand, freezing water, etc. overnight, and it still shot the next day.

Why don't they move on to that?

It's also ambidextrous IIRC. And it can be modified for close combat (carbine), heavy support, standard, or sharpshooting!

[Noddy The Beefy Egg]

The MP44

[Prussian to the Iron]

aah, the shturgewehr 44. good choice, but its annoying that half the people here dont post frickin pics.....................

[drone]

For the sheer retro coolness, the M1928A1/M1A1 Thompsons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_gun), the venerable Tommy gun. :smg:

[Centurion1]

Maybe i can shed a little light on the situation. The XM-8 was adopted during the Bush administration to be completely integrated into americas fighting units by 2012. However, remember when Obama was elected, he had a three billion cut of our defense spending? Well one of the things that was cut was the XM-*, which was supposed to cost an estimated 12 billion dollars with a return of around 967 million from the sale of old m-16's to foreign governments. So for better or for worse the updating of Americas infantry has been put on hold.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Now that is ugly, but to compare it to the G-11 would mean that it can put 3 bullets into a person at 100 meters range with one burst, can it do that?

Low recoil at a maximum 1500 rounds per minute in something that doesn't look like it came out of a bad '60s space movie? I think so.


Also if caliber was everything that matters, wouldn't 9mm pistols beat 7.62mm machine guns? :inquisitive:

Compare those two rounds in terms of velocity, and also the second number in the designation.

[Husar]

Low recoil at a maximum 1500 rounds per minute in something that doesn't look like it came out of a bad '60s space movie? I think so.
???
So you think it has the same performance?


Compare those two rounds in terms of velocity, and also the second number in the designation.
My point exactly, you made it look like a bigger caliber automatically meant a better gun.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

???
So you think it has the same performance?

Well, they're not the same kind of firearm, so obviously you'd use them for different things.


My point exactly, you made it look like a bigger caliber automatically meant a better gun.

My point isn't that caliber is everything, it is that I bet a .45 will probably do more damage than a G11 round.

[Phog_of_War]

Took a deer last year with a civilian version of the FN FAL
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm
But my first kill was with a Soviet AKM.

The AKM was cool just because I was walking around the woods with an AK.

But the FAL is just insane with the power you have. Concieved at first to chamber a smaller round, Fabrique Nationale decided to chamber the weapon in 7.62 NATO. However they didnt change anything else about the weapon, so the rifle is stretched to its very limits to control the power of the round. Fun to play with but after a few hours on the range your shoulder and ears start to hate you.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Took a deer last year with a civilian version of the FN FAL
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm
But my first kill was with a Soviet AKM.

The AKM was cool just because I was walking around the woods with an AK.

But the FAL is just insane with the power you have. Concieved at first to chamber a smaller round, Fabrique Nationale decided to chamber the weapon in 7.62 NATO. However they didnt change anything else about the weapon, so the rifle is stretched to its very limits to control the power of the round. Fun to play with but after a few hours on the range your shoulder and ears start to hate you.

Awesome! When I get my CETME I'm going to take it hunting. :smash:

Really, people don't seem to understand that AWB-targeted firearms are very practical. They just look at 'em, remember seeing something like that in a movie once, and that's as far as they go...

I've heard especially good things about the AK being tailor-made for hunting. You can abuse it all you like; it'll still shoot.

And the CETME is great. Reliable, accurate, good hunting caliber (.308 NATO), and all for $500-600, about half as much as some semi-auto hunting rifles with similar performance!


Maybe i can shed a little light on the situation. The XM-8 was adopted during the Bush administration to be completely integrated into americas fighting units by 2012. However, remember when Obama was elected, he had a three billion cut of our defense spending? Well one of the things that was cut was the XM-*, which was supposed to cost an estimated 12 billion dollars with a return of around 967 million from the sale of old m-16's to foreign governments. So for better or for worse the updating of Americas infantry has been put on hold.

ergggggg... I must say he is rather vexing at times. :shame: And Congress that tried to stop the flow of ammo and body armor overseas...

[Phog_of_War]

Yeah, I dropped the AKM out of a tree stand up by Brainerd.

Didnt even think twice about it when I got down to pick it up. Since it was an AK I knew that I didnt have to run a rag through it or anything and the weapon is built like a Mack truck so no damage after a 35 ft. tumble out of a tree.

And you are right about peoples preconcieved notions about "assault" rifles being great hunting rifles. I had a MN DNR officer stop me on the way out of the woods on Day 1 of deer season and check the AKM to see if it was modified in anyway. He asked me if I thought it was cool to scare people.

What??

I said if a rifle like the AK is make to kill humans, doesent it stand to reason that it will kill a deer just as well?

Some people just dont think before they talk or complain or make phone calls to the DNR.

[Centurion1]

Have too say lol my first kill was on a 4 point whitetail buck from a tree stand at the age of 8. Cant really call it a kill i hit it in the right shoulder and punctured a lung but my dad had to give it the mercy kill after we followed the blood trail. The gun i used was a .12 gauge shotgun from the 1950's. Im not sure what brand it is. Im looking at the gun right now and there is alot of engraving but no insignia, its just an old family shotgun. (cant use hunting rifles in my precinct). Never used an assault rifle to hunt, but ive shot a bull elk with a 30-06 in montana and it was honestly one of the greatest experiences of my life (and so much food afterwards :laugh4:)

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Yeah, I dropped the AKM out of a tree stand up by Brainerd.

Didnt even think twice about it when I got down to pick it up. Since it was an AK I knew that I didnt have to run a rag through it or anything and the weapon is built like a Mack truck so no damage after a 35 ft. tumble out of a tree.

And you are right about peoples preconcieved notions about "assault" rifles being great hunting rifles. I had a MN DNR officer stop me on the way out of the woods on Day 1 of deer season and check the AKM to see if it was modified in anyway. He asked me if I thought it was cool to scare people.

What??

I said if a rifle like the AK is make to kill humans, doesent it stand to reason that it will kill a deer just as well?

Some people just dont think before they talk or complain or make phone calls to the DNR.

I KNOW!

I heard about a guy who was out hunting. Fell into a mud puddle. Up comes a bear.

The guy had a WASR-10, the Rumanian AK-47. Shot the bear dead.

No other rifle would have shot. Saved his life, it did.

Yeah, I've been debating assault rifles on the TWC. :2thumbsup: One guy has conceded the issue. :beam:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=268514

If anybody lacks knowledge on the issue, I've layed out the pro-gun position fairly well if you want to read about it a bit. Essentially, Assault Weapons have no defining characteristics that enable them to function more effectively in the commission of crime etc, nor have these guns been USED in crimes in the US more than in negligible numbers.

The anti-gunners simply want to pick away at gun rights, and they will take whatever they can get. Today, "assault weapons" (a deliberately misleading term), tomorrow handguns, semi-autos the next day, and then everything else.

Why do they want guns? Because accountability to citizens is inconvenient.

Anyways, pages 1-2 and 6-8 are especially important.

Maybe I'll debate it on the .org, but I need to finish my ancient weapons study AND get my Pontic AAR well underway first. :yes:

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Also, Phog_of_War, I am very disappointed in that DNR officer.

As I see it, that's the same as when the police would give racial minorities a hard time and assume that they must be up to trouble if they saw 'em on the street.

Anyways, I hope that guy didn't give you trouble.

"Scare people" indeed. Did the guy have no clue that those things are awesome hunting rifles? Much more practical than your fancy hunting rifles that you don't dare brush against shrubbery for fear that the precious stock will be scratched.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Maybe i can shed a little light on the situation. The XM-8 was adopted during the Bush administration to be completely integrated into americas fighting units by 2012. However, remember when Obama was elected, he had a three billion cut of our defense spending? Well one of the things that was cut was the XM-*, which was supposed to cost an estimated 12 billion dollars with a return of around 967 million from the sale of old m-16's to foreign governments. So for better or for worse the updating of Americas infantry has been put on hold.

Hmm. I thought it was canceled earlier; wikipedia says 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8).


And the CETME is great. Reliable, accurate, good hunting caliber (.308 NATO), and all for $500-600, about half as much as some semi-auto hunting rifles with similar performance!

What company is making the one you're buying? Century Arms?

EDIT: A pity, too, about the Army's actions on obtaining new rifles, ever since Stoner's design. But they can't make a video game without destructive infighting and politics, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for improvement (See the Arena thread on America's Army 3).

CR

[Ariovistus Maximus]

What company is making the one you're buying? Century Arms?

EDIT: A pity, too, about the Army's actions on obtaining new rifles, ever since Stoner's design. But they can't make a video game without destructive infighting and politics, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for improvement (See the Arena thread on America's Army 3).

CR

I'm not buying anything yet. :wall: I'm not even of legal age to purchase! :laugh4: And of course I need $$$.

If his highness Obama initiates the AWB, I will go through one of my parents; have them buy it.

I'm gonna grandfather at least ONE of those guns in. :beam: I'd like an AK too. Maybe an AR-15, but those are more spendy than the other two combined. And I like them in large calibers so they are useful. .308 AR-15s are even more expensive.

So anyways I'm not sure where I'll get it from exactly. I've been on gunbroker.com quite a bit, and they seem to run $500 to $700.

Do you have any advice? :book:

[rotorgun]

My all time favorite is the M1A1 Carbine. I've had the opportunity to fire one several years ago, and what a sweet weapon. It is well balanced, easy to handle, very accurate out to about 150-175 meters, and has an excellent rate of fire. It's main weakness is the lack of stopping power beyond the 180 meter range. With only about 1900 fps (more than a handgun, but lower than a rifle) it often would not stop a determined enemy with one hit. For close in work, it was a good tool in the hands of a competent marksman.

PS: I would show a picture of it if I could remember how to use the image shack thingy.:help:

https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9508/300pxm1carbine.jpg (https://img8.imageshack.us/i/300pxm1carbine.jpg/)


PPS: Thanks Crazed Rabbit!

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not buying anything yet. :wall: I'm not even of legal age to purchase! :laugh4: And of course I need $$$.

If his highness Obama initiates the AWB, I will go through one of my parents; have them buy it.

I'm gonna grandfather at least ONE of those guns in. :beam: I'd like an AK too. Maybe an AR-15, but those are more spendy than the other two combined. And I like them in large calibers so they are useful. .308 AR-15s are even more expensive.

So anyways I'm not sure where I'll get it from exactly. I've been on gunbroker.com quite a bit, and they seem to run $500 to $700.

Do you have any advice? :book:

I've heard some not-so-great (bad) things in regards to the quality of guns and parts built by Century Arms, like the CETME.

No experience with the company myself, though.

Politically, I think the chances of an AWB are slim.

Right now I'm looking at getting a CZ VZ 58.
https://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1048/vz58p.jpg

PS: I would show a picture of it if I could remember how to use the image shack thingy.
Go to imageshack.com, and you should see the spot on the right side of the screen where you can choose upload or URL and then browse for or paste the url of the image.

CR

[Ariovistus Maximus]

My all time favorite is the M1A1 Carbine. I've had the opportunity to fire one several years ago, and what a sweet weapon. It is well balanced, easy to handle, very accurate out to about 150-175 meters, and has an excellent rate of fire. It's main weakness is the lack of stopping power beyond the 180 meter range. With only about 1900 fps (more than a handgun, but lower than a rifle) it often would not stop a determined enemy with one hit. For close in work, it was a good tool in the hands of a competent marksman.

PS: I would show a picture of it if I could remember how to use the image shack thingy.:help:

https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9508/300pxm1carbine.jpg (https://img8.imageshack.us/i/300pxm1carbine.jpg/)


PPS: Thanks Crazed Rabbit!

:beam: There are two M-1 Carbines at the Dunham's in my town. Make me drooooooooolllllll...



I've heard some not-so-great (bad) things in regards to the quality of guns and parts built by Century Arms, like the CETME.

No experience with the company myself, though.

Politically, I think the chances of an AWB are slim.

Right now I'm looking at getting a CZ VZ 58.

Yeah I have heard the same. A bit on the cheap, mass-produced side, perhaps. However, I have no personal experience either.

Plus, considering that CAI's guns are much, muuuuuch cheaper than most alternatives... :yes:

Yeah, even a lot of anti-gun politicians aren't willing to waste the political capital on gun issues, especially not futile ones like the AWB, born of rampant psychosis. :)

[al Roumi]

The anti-gunners simply want to pick away at gun rights, and they will take whatever they can get. Today, "assault weapons" (a deliberately misleading term), tomorrow handguns, semi-autos the next day, and then everything else.

Why do they want guns? Because accountability to citizens is inconvenient.


Don't want to get involved in a deep discussion on this BUT I'd just like to point out that other countries manage political accountability just fine -without the right to bear arms.

Yes I am European. :2thumbsup:

[CBR]

Stick with the technical and/or historical details please as it otherwise becomes backroom material.


CBR

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Ah; but of course. S'cuse me. :sweatdrop:

Sooo... about those military issue rifles... :beam:

[Sheogorath]

I'm going to have to go with the good ol' Mosin-Nagant series. I mean, come on, it's the granddaddy of the AK's, features all of their famed reliability, combined with the fact that you can take one that's +100 years old out of storage and expect it to work just fine. Fewer moving parts, too :P

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'll go with the FN FAL, though I'm far from knowledgeable on the subject.

But it was widely used, a good caliber, and seems to have many good traits. I've heard it called the "Capitalist Kalashnikov".

CR