Dethy mini mafia! [Concluded]

[Iskander 3.1]

Iskander was waiting to be upgraded to version 3.2, when he received a disturbing message:
ALL YOUR UPGRADES ARE BELONG TO US
"Oh Noz! Somebody set up us the bomb!" he thought. So he called his 6 closest friends together to figure out who was stopping him and fight it out. He figured that one of them was the one behind it all, and the others were of questionable nature too, but he didn't know whom else to trust.

Rules: Dethy mafia--one mafia, one cop (always gets right answer), one naive cop (everyone's innocent), one paranoid cop (everyone's guilty), one psycho cop (always gets wrong answer)...plus a mystery role. Standard 24 hr night/24 hr days, but I may have to extend to 36 on weekends.

Signed up 6/6 --Closed
Cultured Drizzt fan
atheotes
Beskar
A Very Super Market
Ask the Pizza Guy
Tratorix

Voting rules are just like the other hosts ask, no vote editing, no voting no lynch, make sure to unvote first, etc.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I want in!

[atheotes]

I want to play :7cop:

[Beskar]

In.

[A Very Super Market]

Een

[Iskander 3.1]

Glad to get quick responses. Anyone know where the name "dethy" comes from?

[Askthepizzaguy]

In.

[Tratorix]

in.

[Iskander 3.1]

Alright, sign-ups are closed. I'll get PMs out by noon PST. Going to bed for now.

[Iskander 3.1]

The gods at random.org hath spoken, and the role PMs will be going out shortly.

[Iskander 3.1]

The gods at random.org hath spoken, and role PMs will be going out shortly.

No role quoting, please!

(sorry double post)

[Beskar]

Does that include saying atheotes is Mafia?

[atheotes]

Does that include saying atheotes is Mafia?

are you trying to deflect attention away from you? :inquisitive:

[Beskar]

Says Mr. Mafia 4 times in a row.

[atheotes]

Says Mr. Mafia 4 times in a row.

hmm... think law of averages... why are you actively seeking for a scapegoat? scummy!


Iskander, when does the game start? day phase or night phase?

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is no law of averages. You were mafia 4 times in a row, you're equally likely to be mafia now as you would have been if you were never mafia. Just ask YLC, who has been mafia once, I think. Does anyone have any suggestions for group strategy? I understand there is a solution to the Dethy mafia for 5 players. Not sure if it works in this scenario, so we shouldn't assume.

To be honest the solution seems complicated to me, even after I read it. Does it work with 6 players?

[atheotes]

So what you are saying is that the chance of me being mafia is the same as anyone else... so Beskar trying to paint me as mafia is scummy ... i feel vindicated :beam:

[Iskander 3.1]

I'm writing a starting post right now. This is kind of an experiment, we'll see how it works.

[Beskar]

Funnily enough, only near true "Mafia" been was Pizza Guy's Star Trek game. I won. :evil: Muahahahah

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what you are saying is that the chance of me being mafia is the same as anyone else... so Beskar trying to paint me as mafia is scummy ... i feel vindicated :beam:

You did seem a little defensive, to be honest. I don't mind the accusations he's flinging around; assuming he's town that's a good idea to make the mafia impostor nervous.

[Iskander 3.1]

First, some hard rules:

No role reveal/PM quoting!
If you change your vote, you must unvote in a new post!
This is my first attempt at hosting, so please bear with me and above all, HAVE FUN!
Finally, to keep with the spirit of the game, I actually will encourage everyone to spam here (until the mods threaten to lock it, at least :dancinglock:)


And now, the story:

Iskander was waiting to be upgraded to version 3.2, when he received a disturbing message:
ALL YOUR UPGRADES ARE BELONG TO US
"Oh Noz! Somebody set up us the bomb!" he thought. "I needz help with teh upgradz!!!!1111!1" Composing himself, he called his 6 closest friends together. "ZOMG!!1!" he exclaimed. "Somebody is pwning my upgradz!"
"We'll help you," they said in perfect unison.
"kekekeke lololol that's great! But I know that one of you is the one pwning me! You must eliminate him! I think he has gunzors!"
"We'll use our trusty computers to investigate each evening, and during the day we'll vote on who we think the culprit is," they replied, once again in perfect unison. "Then we'll kill him for you."

Begin Night 1
You now have 24 hours to send in your night orders. Night phase will end at 11:16 a.m. PST.

[Iskander 3.1]

Funnily enough, only near true "Mafia" been was Pizza Guy's Star Trek game. I won. :evil: Muahahahah

You had a Star Trek mafia? Grrr wish I would have started playing these games sooner.

[Beskar]

One question, you mean no copy and paste night result right? So you can still do "innocent or guility" you can say as the result.

I was about to say, if that wasn't is the case, this would be a very difficult dethy game. :beam:

[Beskar]

Presuming it is the above situation, we need to organise ourselves to do this right.

First, we split up into investigation pairs tonight.

Pair 1
Cultured Drizzt fan
atheotes

Pair 2
Beskar
A Very Super Market

Pair 3
Ask the Pizza Guy
Tratorix


Pair 1 investigate Beskar
Pair 2 investigate Atheotes
Pair 3 investigate Cultured Drizzt Fan

If you want to get victory, we need to work together as a team.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All one word: Askthepizzaguy

And yes, I'll check out Cultured Drizzt Fan.

[atheotes]

Presuming it is the above situation, we need to organise ourselves to do this right.

First, we split up into investigation pairs tonight.

Pair 1
Cultured Drizzt fan
atheotes

Pair 2
Beskar
A Very Super Market

Pair 3
Ask the Pizza Guy
Tratorix


Pair 1 investigate Beskar
Pair 2 investigate Atheotes
Pair 3 investigate Cultured Drizzt Fan

If you want to get victory, we need to work together as a team.

Agreed... i understand how to go about it for 5 people... the fact that we have a 6th mysterious role might make it difficult... we should have a clearer picture after night 2 if we work according to plan.

[Iskander 3.1]

One question, you mean no copy and paste night result right? So you can still do "innocent or guility" you can say as the result.

You can still say innocent or guilty, I have no problem with that.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I shall do as the great Beskar commands.

although half of the results we will get are going to be totally wrong......


edit: and so my computer has Spaketh! And says the great Beslkar is Innocent!

[atheotes]

my trusty old computer says Beskar is Guilty! :laugh4:

[Beskar]

The idea is, we need to cover ground in the investigation, then we work on patterns and on those patterns we conclude who is what. I am guessing we can pretty much guess who is who by round 4. (in other words, 4 investigations) if it is done right. Could be sooner if we are lucky, later if we are unlucky.

Dethy is simply a mix of logic (and luck). The Mafia is seen as the "anti-logic" and you simply use logic to defeat him. :bow:

[atheotes]

i would be wary of anyone who waits to see others' results before posting their own :juggle2:

[Beskar]

Well, technically speaking, no one should withhold results and being quite honest, they would only be caught out obviously trying to do that, and end of the day, if they are a mafia/non-investigator, whatever answer (innocent or guilty) is the wrong answer and just get discovered anyway.

On that note, I propose the town take up a policy of "No Lynch". According to write-up, the killer only has a chance to kill and if we start lynching fellow investigators, we get screwed fast. We need 3 investigators alive to quickly deduct who it is. That means, we can have one detective and the mysterious role probably can die too. That gives us 3 nights which should be enough time to find our Mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In the previous Dethy mafia, we lynched someone and we won the game outright on the first round.

[Iskander 3.1]

Ok guys 3 more hours, get your orders in please!

[Iskander 3.1]

T-minus one more hour...

[Iskander 3.1]

Night 1 concluded, write-up coming shortly...

[Iskander 3.1]

Night 1 Results

Iskander found a joke in the backroom that was so funny it caused him to fall out of bed. "ROFL!" he narrated. That was pretty much the only interesting thing that happened that night. In the morning he gathered his friends around so the group could discuss their investigations.

Dead (0/6)

Lynched (0/6)

Alive (6/6)
Cultured Drizzt fan
atheotes
Beskar
A Very Super Market
Ask the Pizza Guy
Tratorix

Begin Day 1
Vote!

Due to the weekend I will extend Day 1 until Saturday 10:00 pm PST (that's in roughly 34 hours).

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I looked up what a dethy mafia is, sooooooo Vote: no lynch

[A Very Super Market]

Geez, all I saw was Iskander's "time-left" announcement, before I had to head out for an appointment, so I think I may have ruined to the town's strategy. Then again, we need at least two nights before we can root out the paranoid cop, so it might work out anyways.

I investigated ATPG and got a guilty result.

[Beskar]

You was meant to investigate Atheotos with me. (I got guilty)...

That means you need to investigate him tonight and I investigate Pizzaguy, so we can compare the results (hence why we do it in twos). Idea being, the pair investigate two different people, then the pairs investigate some one together which another pair investigated. With this, we basically have the idea of who is who, thus can do the process of weeding out the mafia.

[A Very Super Market]

Alright, let's not lynch then. More investigative targets will help root out the proper people.

Vote: No lynch

[Askthepizzaguy]

I investigated CDF and got an innocent result.

vote: No Lynch

[atheotes]

no kills during the night? :inquisitive: interesting. did someone forget to send instructions? anyways it should work very well for us.

Vote: No Lynch

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think we can assume that it is all good. I'll check activity to see if we can actually chalk things up to that.

ATPG
Beskar
Atheotes
CDF
Tratorix
AVSM

All 6 players were active last night.

[atheotes]

the last post tratorix made was abt 25 hrs ago...

[Beskar]

CDF and Atheotos, what results did you get?

[Askthepizzaguy]

the last post tratorix made was abt 25 hrs ago...

He posted on the forums Yesterday, 15:36 (GMT-5:00)

That means he was active during the proper time frame. He was not inactive.

[atheotes]

CDF and Atheotos, what results did you get?

Both of us posted yesterday itself.

CDF on Beskar - Innocent
Atheotes on Beskar - Guilty

[Tratorix]

I investigated CDF and found him innocent.

[Tratorix]

Oh and Vote: No lynch

[Beskar]

Both of us posted yesterday itself.

CDF on Beskar - Innocent
Atheotes on Beskar - Guilty

oh, my apologises.

[Beskar]

Just realised, I might be able to work out who is who tomorrow (small degree of error, but enough to do a possible lynch). I need everyone to do this night order tonight.

AVSM - investigate Atheotos
Beskar - investigate Pizzaguy
Pair 1 investigate AVSM
Pair 3 investigate Traitrox

Statistically, this would mean everyone has one real investigation on them, to be able to do a lynch next turn, might require a little guess work, but it might just be possible. I don't want to reveal too much away just now (since the Mafia might know how I will work this out, and could mess up the chance) but if I feel I can put forwarda case tomorrow, I will answer all then. :bow:

Oh and Vote: No Lynch

[Tratorix]

Just realised, I might be able to work out who is who tomorrow (small degree of error, but enough to do a possible lynch). I need everyone to do this night order tonight.

AVSM - investigate Atheotos
Beskar - investigate Pizzaguy
Pair 1 investigate AVSM
Pair 3 investigate Traitrox

Statistically, this would mean everyone has one real investigation on them, to be able to do a lynch next turn, might require a little guess work, but it might just be possible. I don't want to reveal too much away just now (since the Mafia might know how I will work this out, and could mess up the chance) but if I feel I can put forwarda case tomorrow, I will answer all then. :bow:

Oh and Vote: No Lynch

Your plan has me investigating myself...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did it again. :laugh4:

It's Tratorix, not Traitorix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your plan has me investigating myself...

I think Beskar went offline. Might as well switch with someone from pair one. Go for AVSM if you like.

To be honest there seem to be holes in this plan because it does not take into account the 6th role. How does everyone end up cleared? What if always innocent and always guilty investigate the same person?

[Tratorix]

I think Beskar went offline. Might as well switch with someone from pair one. Go for AVSM if you like.

To be honest there seem to be holes in this plan because it does not take into account the 6th role. How does everyone end up cleared? What if always innocent and always guilty investigate the same person?

Well, we've still got some time, since the day phase is 24 hours, so we can see if we can find a better investigation plan by then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm open to suggestions. I think it is better if one person doesn't end up directing all the action anyway.

[Beskar]

Oops, my apologises. Pair 1 and Pair 3 swap.

AVSM - investigate Atheotos
Beskar - investigate Pizzaguy
Pair 3 investigate AVSM
Pair 1 investigate Traitrox

[Beskar]

Anyway, trust me, I have it all shushed out, and yes, it even accounts for role 6. You will see.

[Tratorix]

Night 1 Results

Pair 1
Atheotes investigates Beskar: Guilty
CDF investigates Beskar: Innocent

Pair 2
Beskar investigates Atheotes: Innocent
AVSM investigates the wrong person, ATPG: Guilty

Pair 3

Tratorix investigates CDF: Innocent
ATPG investigates CDF: Innocent

Beskar, why must you mispell my name even after you've been corrected?

[Askthepizzaguy]

AVSM- ATPG (Guilty)
Beskar- Atheotes (Innocent)
ATPG- CDF (Innocent)
CDF- Beskar (Innocent)
Atheotes- Beskar (Guilty)
Tratorix- CDF (Innocent)

I think we can work out who the "always guilty" and the "reverse" results were. There are more "innocent" results than I think would be expected.

edit: jinx. Get out of my brain, Tratorix!

[Beskar]

Sorry, I copy and pasted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyway, trust me, I have it all shushed out, and yes, it even accounts for role 6. You will see.

HOW does it account for role 6? Please to be explaining. What do you know that we don't?

[Tratorix]

HOW does it account for role 6? Please to be explaining. What do you know that we don't?

Even if it doesn't, I think it's a good idea to get 2 investiagation results on each person. It gives us a good foundation to start from.

[Beskar]

I don't want to reveal too much away just now (since the Mafia might know how I will work this out, and could mess up the chance) but if I feel I can put forwarda case tomorrow, I will answer all then.
:whip: Don't be hasty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even if it doesn't, I think it's a good idea to get 2 investiagation results on each person. It gives us a good foundation to start from.

Well that much I agree upon. The more information we have, the better. I am just wary of anyone who says "trust me" and doesn't reveal what he thinks he knows.

[Tratorix]

Well that much I agree upon. The more information we have, the better. I am just wary of anyone who says "trust me" and doesn't reveal what he thinks he knows.

Well, after the second night phase we'll have more info, and if Beskar doesn't deliver, we can lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

and if Beskar doesn't deliver, we can lynch him.

I think you're just mad because he keeps screwing up your name. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

It would be the same effect as Obama endorsing the rival opponent in the Iran elections thus preventing his goal of there being a regime change. If I give away how I am going to work it out, the hacker could purposely give false result tomorrow which would interrupt my logic method.


p.s: Traitorix is the perfect name for a Mafia.

[atheotes]

Anyway, trust me, I have it all shushed out, and yes, it even accounts for role 6. You will see.

hmm.. i thought the 6th role was a secret role? how do you account for that? :inquisitive:

out of the 6 results we have got, upto 2 of them could be lying... :juggle2:

[Tratorix]

I think you're just mad because he keeps screwing up your name. :laugh4:

I'm not a vindictive person. If Pasker wants to keep screwing up my name, that's fine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

hmm.. i thought the 6th role was a secret role? how do you account for that? :inquisitive:

out of the 6 results we have got, upto 2 of them could be lying... :juggle2:

That's what I keep saying but Beskar has a secret plan which, once revealed, would fall to dust.


I'm not a vindictive person. If Pasker wants to keep screwing up my name, that's fine.
:2thumbsup:

Call him "Whiskers"

[atheotes]

p.s: Traitorix is the perfect name for a Mafia.

even more appropriate for the asterix mafia :smash:

[Tratorix]

even more appropriate for the asterix mafia :smash:

Only if I end up a Gaul.

And only if it gets enough players. :sweatdrop:

[Beskar]

hmm.. i thought the 6th role was a secret role? how do you account for that? :inquisitive:

out of the 6 results we have got, upto 2 of them could be lying... :juggle2:


Well, technically speaking, no one should withhold results and being quite honest, they would only be caught out obviously trying to do that, and end of the day, if they are a mafia/non-investigator, whatever answer (innocent or guilty) is the wrong answer and just get discovered anyway.

:bow:

[Iskander 3.1]

Tally thus far:
CDF, AVSM, AtPG, atheotes, tratorix, Beskar all voted No Lynch.

[Iskander 3.1]

***Gamemaster Announcement***
This round will end at 2200 PST (0500 GMT) regardless of whether I am here to announce the round being over or not. Any votes after that will not be counted. If I see that a vote post was edited after that time I will also not count it, to prevent anyone from cheating. I will give the write-up as soon as humanly possible after that. Night 2 will begin at 2200 PST (0500 GMT) and last until 1100 PST Monday (1800 GMT). You can send in your night PMs even if I haven't announced the begining of the phase yet.

Sorry if this seems like bad form but my ability to use the internet on weekends is sporadic at best.

[Beskar]

I will PM you mine now then, since I can't do much over the weekend as it is, but luckly, I return just before 1800 for the day phase :beam:

[Iskander 3.1]

Thanks Beskar. I do accept night PMs in advance, btw, as long as you specify that what you're sending me is a night order for the upcoming night. (and no I won't respond immediately).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be investigating AVSM.

[atheotes]

i will investigate tratorix

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wait is it the night phase already?

[atheotes]

wait is it the night phase already?

not yet... i think there is abt 5 hours to go for the day phase to end... but we are just posting our night action so that we dont make a mistake like the last night.

[Iskander 3.1]

No it's still day but I'm allowing people to send their orders in ahead of time if they so choose to. See above notice for when each phase'll end (this'll go smoother during the week).

[Iskander 3.1]

Day 1 Write-up

"Who is teh bad guyzz?" inquired Iskander. "Will there be lynchage?"

"We have no clue," said everyone else at the same time. "We therefore will not be lynching anyone today."

"Gaaaahhh I'm going to bedzors (bed sores? - ed.).

Begin Night 2 (13 hours ago). Night 2 will end at 11:00 PST tomorrow. Thanks again for bearing with my hectic weekend schedule.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will not be at my desk for several hours today, going job hunting. I will be back this evening.

[Iskander 3.1]

Night 2 is over Write-up commencing.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ohh snap wait!!! I forgot to do my investigation!
I investigate Tratorix!!!!!

[Iskander 3.1]

Iskander and Atheotes were having a late-night snack at a diner. Atheotes brought his computer along.
"Hello, can I take yeh ordeh?" asked the waitress.
"I'll have a glass of wine in front of me," said Atheotes
"I can haz cheezburgerzz??/" inquired Iskander
"Ok, one wine and one cheeseburger, coming right up!"

Waitress comes back with food and wine

Iskander turned to Atheotes."Whoz da guiltie one????"
"Hang on, my computer is hacking into Tratorix's account," said Atheotes, sipping his wine. "Let's see...looks like he's...."
Suddenly Atheotes keeled over, dead.
"Oh noes!" cried Iskander. "He is teh Poisondorz!"

In the morning, everyone gathered around. Iskander took out his computer. "I've got a big red one!" Ignoring him, everyone else started discussing the events of last night and who, if anyone, they should point their fingers at.

CDF rushed in. "ohh snap wait!!! I forgot to do my investigation! I investigate Tratorix!!!!!"
"Dude, I'm right here," responded Tratorix. "Besides, it's daytime now."


Alive (5/6)
Cultured Drizzt fan
Beskar
A Very Super Market
Ask the Pizza Guy
Tratorix

Lynched

Killed
Atheotes

Begin Day 2
You have 23 hours, gentlemen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My result on AVSM was innocent.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: thanks for at least making my failure hilarious Iskander

[Beskar]

I got Innocent on Pizza, what did everyone else get?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@CDF-

Is that WIFOM?

[A Very Super Market]

Everyone, I am the paranoid cop.

I have two guilty results, ATPG and Atheotes.

[Beskar]

That is how I was going to work out who is who, anyway, we need Traitorix's result now, as Ath is dead, afterall.

[Iskander 3.1]

You're welcome, CDF :laugh4:

Also, "I've got a big red one" (:balloon:) for the first person to tell me what that's a reference to.

[atheotes]

:no: i got killed.

i am guessing the mafia do not have investigative powers... if so CDF might be innocent.
other than that we need everyone's results to figure out who is who...

[Beskar]

You're welcome, CDF :laugh4:

Also, "I've got a big red one" (:balloon:) for the first person to tell me what that's a reference to.

Stop talking about your twanger.

Hypothetically, if two roles don't investigate, it could very well be CDF (hence why he forgot) and Traitorix for the other, your write-up said something about him.

[Beskar]

Anyway, doesn't matter what Traitorix said, he is the mafia anyway, I will tell you who is who.

CDF is the Mafia.

Pizzaguy is always innocent (naive) detective.
AVSM is always guility (paranoid) detective.
Atheotes must obviously be the wrong one which would have revealed Traitorix
I am the get it right cop.

There, game sorted. Easy as shopping at Amazon.com


(This was scrapped, I was trying to piece CDF as the Mafia, but it didn't work, the corrected is down below)

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

or I may have just completely forgotten about this game...... I am sorry but I don't want to ruin your plan just cause I got forgetful. you can vote me out, but it will be a waste.

[Iskander 3.1]

Stop talking about your twanger.

:balloon: Here you go, now pluck, pluck, pluck away!

[Beskar]

or I may have just completely forgotten about this game...... I am sorry but I don't want to ruin your plan just cause I got forgetful. you can vote me out, but it will be a waste.
If it isn't you, it must mean Pizzaguy, as you would be fighting for that always innocent spot.

[Beskar]

Wait wait, I messed it all up!

Beskar - The Wrong Cop (got guility on Ath, innocent on Pizza)
CDF - The Right Cop (Got innocent on me, missed this one)
Athetoes - The Always Guilty cop (guilty on me, dead)
Traitorix - I am betting he got another innocent, thus he is the innocent cop.


That leaves the Hackers to be AVSM and Pizzaguy.

Sorted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Guilty on Atheotes?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night 1 Results

Pair 1
Atheotes investigates Beskar: Guilty
CDF investigates Beskar: Innocent

Pair 2
Beskar investigates Atheotes: Innocent
AVSM investigates the wrong person, ATPG: Guilty

Pair 3

Tratorix investigates CDF: Innocent
ATPG investigates CDF: Innocent

Beskar, why must you mispell my name even after you've been corrected?



AVSM- ATPG (Guilty)
Beskar- Atheotes (Innocent)
ATPG- CDF (Innocent)
CDF- Beskar (Innocent)
Atheotes- Beskar (Guilty)
Tratorix- CDF (Innocent)

I think we can work out who the "always guilty" and the "reverse" results were. There are more "innocent" results than I think would be expected.

edit: jinx. Get out of my brain, Tratorix!



Beskar, according to you, you got an innocent on Atheotes.

[Beskar]

Yes, I posted it here. link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2265706&postcount=40)

I realised my error hence being the wrong cop thus getting guility on atheotes and innocent on you.

and No, they wrote the wrong result down. Look at the times.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why did you edit the post 3 hours later?

[Beskar]

I always edit my posts, read any game I played in. I keep making typing mistakes, or I missed something out, or I realised I can word something better.

Even then, the edit was both before the times of yours and Traitorix's postings. In other words, I never edited my thing after or tried to just change it now or anything.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I have the same problem, I always edit my posts even when I just wrote it, heck even seconds after (like right now)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wrote down what your result was. You said you got an innocent result, originally.

Not only that, Tratorix also wrote down your result.

Why did you change the innocent result to a guilty result and not inform us about the change?

[Beskar]

You probably saw Traitorix's mistake, then copied it, and then you saved this argument up, until now, to try to get me lynched as you are the Mafia.

AVSM was probably your accomplice, if you don't remember, he mysteriously went off the order set to "investigate" you. Then said you was guilty, you probably messages him and went "Oi!! I am your partner" so then when he "investigates" atheotos, he got "guilty" again, to try to justify the result and not get you lynched. You also probably lynched Atheotos for this reason as you knew he was not on your side, so killing a real investigator then using your lacky, AVSM to assist you in the plot, helps you look innocent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You probably saw Traitorix's mistake, then copied it, and then you saved this argument up, until now, to try to get me lynched as you are the Mafia.

Uh, I posted at the same time as Tratorix.

Answer my question: Why did you change your result from innocent to guilty? I did not make a mistake. I wrote down what your result was, and so did Tratorix. We didn't both completely screw it up. According to you, me and AVSM are the hackers, so why would Tratorix lie? If I am mafia, why aren't you voting for me?

Nothing you are saying adds up. You changed your result over 3 hours later. WHY?

[Beskar]

Traitorix just made a simple mistake and you edited your post later as well, probably making your "table" inline with Traitorix's.

Also, I am not accusing Traitorix as I think he is the always innocent detective, thus he is innocent. When he posts, he can claim this is right or not.

Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

[Askthepizzaguy]

My post in question was originally posted on the exact same minute as Tratorix's post. My edit was 2 minutes later, not 3 hours. If I had noticed Tratorix wrote down a different result for you than you had posted, why would I not ask him about it? Especially if, according to you, I'm scum and trying to get an innocent person lynched?

Why are you speaking for Tratorix? Why not let him speak for himself? And finally, I've said it many times, it is Tratorix, not Traitorix.

Answer my question. Why did you edit your post 3 hours later and change the result from innocent to guilty and then NOT INFORM US?

[A Very Super Market]

Please. Beskar is the mafia now.

Vote: Beskar

Such strange reasoning.... have you not considered that Atheotes might be the psycho cop?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Vote: no lynch.
guys perhaps waiting another round and getting a third round of results would help us out?

[Askthepizzaguy]

CDF- I'll consider waiting another round if Beskar would quit stalling and answer my question.

[Beskar]

Such strange reasoning.... have you not considered that Atheotes might be the psycho cop?

Because I am the psycho cop because I got guilty on him and innocent on Pizza. He probably would have got another guilty.

Are you trying to say Atheotes, CDF and Traitorix are the Mafia?

[A Very Super Market]

I wonder what that special role does......

Either way, following your reasoning creates paradoxes, most of which have to do with myself not being mafia, thus, you are simply trying to confuse us.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've been very patient. I've asked you three times to answer a simple question. Why did you change your result. You're obviously still reading and posting. You're deliberately ignoring my very, very simple question. If you were a townie, you'd have done me the courtesy of answering the question by now.

vote: Beskar

[Beskar]

Alright, I will tell you now the results, this is how correct I will be.

CDF investigates AVSM and will get a guility, on the rest, he would get an innocent (other than pizza)
Traitorix will investigate anyone and get an innocent.
Ath is dead.
I will investigate AVSM and get innocent, or anyone else other than Pizza and will get a guilty.

AVSM will just say he will get guilty again to pretend.
Pizzaguy will say he will get innocent again to pretend.

I know the results of the next round already as the answer is right there.

[A Very Super Market]

I would simply lynch you, but I am in no mood to hear you kick and scream.

Vote: No lynch

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, I would say "go ahead and lynch me, you will see how innocent I am" unfortunately, with the night kill from the Mafia (you two). It will leave 1 townie versus you and AVSM who will just lynch them off and win the game.

Also, if there is another round, it will mean the Mafia gets another kill, which means it would be 2v2 as in, 2 mafia versus 2 townie causing a tie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Beskar doesn't answer my question, I would kindly ask people to vote for him. It's really not a hard question, is it?

[Iskander 3.1]

(Psst, please unvote before you revote!)

[A Very Super Market]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Your majesty....

[atheotes]

Beskar seems very anxious to help the town... not sure if it is because he is mafia or just a townie who thinks he has the game figured out. But he is definitely jumping into conclusions and it is scummy.
Also, 2 mafia in a 6 person game seems overkill...i dont think the secret role is a mafia.

[Beskar]

By no lynching, you are only aiding the Mafia and only revealing more of what I just said. The choice is rather simple.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

no it isn't I am sorry but I don't think I can just take your word for it. and if you would just answer ATPG's question he would agree. There is no reason to start lynching now, not when so much is still out of our grasp.

[A Very Super Market]

Then I will lynch you! If we are going to lose, then say that we are going to lose. I'm not going to vote for myself, thank you very much.If you want to bandwagon me, then do so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Allow me to make this very simple, Beskar.

Answer my question, and I will vote for myself. The fact that you refuse is the scummiest thing I've ever seen.

[Beskar]

Alright then, if you don't believe me, don't hate me when we are in a tie next round with the Mafia laughing and jeering at us.

Here is what I predict - Cultured Drizzt Fan, you are the right detective, to prove this, you i9nvestigate AVSM and you should get a guilty result (obviously, if you don't gives you an excuse to lynch me)

Traitorix will just get innocent on everyone, so just investigate anyone and yes, you will get innocent (obviously if you don't, gives you an excuse to lynch me)

Since I get the wrong results, I will investigate AVSM and he should come out as Innocent. (which means guilty)


Since AVSM and PizzaGuy are mafia, it doesn't matter what they say they get.

However, since the Mafia will probably target CDF as he is the right detective and because I am the "scum bait" for them to blame. He will get killed. It would cause a two v two situation where AVSM and PizzaGuy will work against me and Traitorix or them trying to push "No Lynch" for them to kill either me or Traitorix then they win on 2v1.

See? I unravelled the game and we must kill before we get killed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well then I am absolutely certain you'll take me up on my offer to lynch myself if you would just answer my :furious3: question, since me not being lynched loses the game, RIGHT?

[Beskar]

Answer my question, and I will vote for myself. The fact that you refuse is the scummiest thing I've ever seen.

What is there to answer? Traitorix simply made a mistake you reproduced.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine, I'll say it a fourth time.

Why did you edit your post 3 hours after the fact? Why did you change the result from innocent to guilty? Why did you not inform us of said change?

[Beskar]

I edited to correct some typing errors, etc.

I didn't change my investigation.

3rd is not applicable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you claim that you never posted an innocent result?

That's very interesting because I get instant notifications in my personal email at askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com and I can PROVE you're LYING.

[Beskar]

I bet you got screen shots of every post as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, if anyone who plays this game has their subscription to this thread set to instant notifications, and they don't delete their personal emails on a regular basis, they can simply go back to the email in question which contains your ORIGINAL POST.

You've been caught lying, Beskar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

A Very Super Market, your email should contain the post in question. And CDF, yours should as well if I'm lucky. Check your inboxes.

[A Very Super Market]

I don't suscribe to threads, ever. My e-mail is clogged up enough as it is.

[atheotes]

I edited to correct some typing errors, etc.

I didn't change my investigation.

3rd is not applicable.

uh oh... that is not true! you claimed you got an innocent result on me... this i know for a fact because i noted it down.

till now i never realized you claim not to have changed the result! :no:

vote him dead :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

*sigh*

Anyone else? There's proof he's mafia sitting right in your inboxes, people.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I don't either.... :sweatdrop:, not your lucky day ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's OK, CDF, because now we have 3 people claiming Beskar's original post had an innocent result, not a guilty. Myself, Tratorix, and Atheotes.

I guess all three of us just made a big fat huge whopping mistake. Maybe all 3 of us are mafia.

[A Very Super Market]

I would like to kill him anyways. I don't need some silly e-mail to prove it.

Vote: Beskar

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

that right there is some pretty damning evidence... response Beskar? I am trying to remain impartial till you show us your side of the story, but the fact is you have been lying to us all.

[Beskar]

Well, AVSM's vote doesn't count, he is just pretending to vote for me. (needs to unvote)

As for PizzaGuy's claim, where is the proof? No one subscribes to threads, imagine getting 30 emails from this one alone, what about Rubicon? Must have been a nightmare. I won't believe that claim until he posts it right here. Notice how is he is asking people but not showing himself?

As a matter of clarification, I said "Not Innocent" not "Guilty", but that is the same thing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My inbox has thousands of emails in it. This is how I keep track of when people lie to me.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

still you have 2 people claiming it, and still it seems you are dodging the question rather than answering. This wouldn't even be having this conversation if you had answered ATPG question truthfully.


My inbox has thousands of emails in it. This is how I keep track of when people lie to me.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: thanks for making my day!

[A Very Super Market]

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

I am very close to spamming you with VMs..... :clown:

[Tratorix]

Vote: Beskar

Beskar, lying's bad, Mmmkay.

[Iskander 3.1]

Tally thus far:
Beskar: 3 (AtPG, Tratorix, AVSM)
AtPG: 1 (Beskar)
No Lynch didn't sign up in time to play, but CDF voted for him anyways.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Beskar]

Well, the game ends in 12 minutes and with me being lynched, I would like to say "Good Game" to you all and I have enjoyed playing with you. Hope we can have fun next game as well. :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

What aspect of the game did you enjoy most, Beskar?

[Beskar]

Oh, this part, definitely.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote:Beskar

https://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2042/jokeritq.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh noes. What have I done.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was all... part of the plan.

[Iskander 3.1]

Day concluded Write-up coming in a moment, but I think Beskar just beat me to the twist...

[Askthepizzaguy]

~:pimp:

[Beskar]

The 5th time now trying to post it, it is a flipping annoying conspiracy to prevent me from saying I worked out the actual answers.

Cultured Drizzt Fan - Wrong Result Cop
Atheotes - Right Result Cop
AVSM - Always Guilty
Tratorix - Always Innocent
ATPG - Mafia*

*I worked it out from his "results"

[Askthepizzaguy]

What? No, I'm not mafia...

How dare you impugn my good name sir. I challenge you to a game of explodey. The first one to explode wins. Ready? Go!

[Iskander 3.1]

"Beskar," said everyone in unison, including Beskar.

The group moved in to slit his throat with a broken DVD. Blood flowed, and Beskar smiled. It was only then that they noticed that Beskar was plugged into Iskander's computer.
"Wait! Wait!" shouted Iskander.
But it was too late. The computer exploded.
"Teh Upgradez!!!!111! Noessssssssssssssss"

"So you knew about this all along?" everyone asked Iskander.
"He spendz teh daytimez plugged into my compy."
"And you didn't bother letting us know this?"
"50RR'/, Sorry, forgot."

The group chased off after Iskander, upset over how much time they had wasted. Only Ask the Pizza Guy remained behind, smiling wickedly over his triumph. He had stolen Iskander's upgrades, and he was satisfied that he would forever remain at version 3.1.

Mafia Victory

Roles will be posted shortly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Et tu, Iskander? Stop accusing me of being mafia. I hate that!

Teh upgradez were nice, though.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

nice job everyone. great hosting Iskander :2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

[Beskar]

Sorry for revealing the twist, Iskander. I wanted to be cool and all going "Muahaha caught you!". Yeah, I set it all up for me to be seen as Mafia, though, working out all of the roles by the 2nd round was just an added luxury.

[Iskander 3.1]

Thanks for playing everyone! Here are the roles:

Town
CDF--Psycho Cop (always wrong)
Atheotes--Normal (always right)
AVSM--Paranoid (always guilty)
Tratorix--Naive (always innocent)

The PMs for these were pretty much the same

Mafia
AskthePizzaGuy

Role: Mafia

You are the evil bastard who is trying to prevent me from upgrading! Grrrr.

Abilities: Once per night, you may kill OR investigate, but not both. Your investigations will always be correct.

Victory condition #1: Eliminate all cops
Victory condition #2: There is a "joker" in this game. You don't know who he is, but if he is lynched DURING THE DAY, the game will be over with a Mafia victory.

You will be defeated if you are lynched, or if you kill the "joker" AT NIGHT.


Beskar

Role: Joker-ish pro-mafia
You are magically hardwired into my computer by day, and the mafia's computer by night (to recharge, I guess). How? I don't know, but it makes the game more interesting.
If you are lynched during the day, you'll cause my computer to explode and you and the other mafia member automatically win! But beware, while he knows you exist, he doesn't know who you are, and if he kills you at night you both lose (you know, since you're somehow connected to his computer)!

Victory condition #1: Eliminate all cops
OR
Victory condition #2: Get yo'self lynched during the day.

You will be defeated if you are killed at night, or if the mafia member is lynched.



Some thoughts:

This was my first time hosting and I thank you all for bearing with me, especially with the whole weekend thing. The joker role was supposed to add a little twist, and I tried to keep it balanced by not telling the mafia killer who the joker was. However, AskthePizzaGuy is pretty experienced and was able to catch Beskar's clues right away. By the time the first day was over I realized that the mafia would have an easy victory.
Sorry to the townies if it ended up not seeming too fair, and kudos to the mafia for playing their parts perfectly. I'm still learning, and I'll try hosting another mini game in a couple of weeks. I want to make sure that by the time my small mafia comes around it'll be fun for everyone :2thumbsup:

Thanks again for playing!

[Iskander 3.1]

Sorry for revealing the twist, Iskander. I wanted to be cool and all going "Muahaha caught you!". Yeah, I set it all up for me to be seen as Mafia, though, working out all of the roles by the 2nd round was just an added luxury.

No problem, you played really well and deserved bragging rights like that:2thumbsup:
Bonus points for figuring out who everyone is.

[Beskar]

I feel sorry for Iskander, I even said end of day phase "I'll warn you, the game will end tomorrow".

However, I hope my picture for his Lift Escape role makes him smile. :beam: Inspired from this game.

[Beskar]

As a balancing, you should have made it so AskthePizzaGuy couldn't vote to lynch me and made it so I couldn't vote myself either. (he would die also, and voting for myself, makes me self-explode but doesn't harm the rest) It would mean I would have the convince the majority to vote for me, plus AskthePizzaguy would have looked suspicious if he wouldn't vote for me.

[Iskander 3.1]

Your picture definitely made me smile, almost as much as Pizza's murder PM creeped me out. I'd post them here, but I'm at work and I'm restricted from going to any picture hosting sites (plus I probably shouldn't show my pic from Beskar's game until after it's over).

[Iskander 3.1]

As a balancing, you should have made it so AskthePizzaGuy couldn't vote to lynch me and made it so I couldn't vote myself either. (he would die also, and voting for myself, makes me self-explode but doesn't harm the rest) It would mean I would have the convince the majority to vote for me, plus AskthePizzaguy would have looked suspicious if he wouldn't vote for me.

Good sugestions, although I don't know how many games I could add a joker to since nobody would want to play if the joker keeps winning...

[atheotes]

nevermind... posted without reading.

[Tratorix]

Stupid joker roles. :laugh4:

GG to ATPG and Whiskers, I should have known that worked out a bit too perfectly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't want to get away with a lazy victory. Almost all of my interaction with Beskar was staged for dramatic effect, and still we were getting a lot of "No Lynch" votes. This would have been the lame way for the game to end because I could have just picked someone off and next round it would have been 2 votes versus 2, a tie, and then another murder by me would have made it very simple to lynch Beskar.

I didn't want an anticlimactic ending so I played that last round as if we could only win if Beskar died that round. I really wanted to see if we could influence the voters to lynch him, even though both of us surviving the round would have been a dead end for the town anyway. After AVSM switched back to No Lynch and others were going No Lynch I was getting a little nervous.

Even after revealing Beskar's "result change" I was the only one enthusiastic about lynching him. I really tried to hammer the anomalous result point home, but changing people's minds would prove to be more difficult than I had imagined.


Finding Beskar-

We talk regularly as a matter of course due to the fact we've been in a bunch of games together. I started off the conversation by playing naive and pretending that I had no idea about the "correct" solution to the 5-man Dethy mafia. He was kind enough to play along and walk me through it.

I asked him very subtle questions to see if he knew more about the nature of the game than he was letting on, such as: "so I take it the mafia can't kill at night?" to which he responded "they have a chance to".

Then he mentioned that there was another role in the game and he wasn't sure what it was.

This set off alarm bells in my brain, because bringing up the unknown 6th role was utterly pointless for a townie to do, other than note we don't know how that factors into the equation for this game. Beskar's repeated insistence that the 5-man Dethy mafia plan would work for this unknown 6th man game also struck me as unusually poor logic for Beskar. He is definitely sharper than that.

He began hypothesizing about what the 6th role was... I suggested it might be a second mafioso, to test the waters. He suggested it could be a doctor, which I immediately doubted and rejected. My reasoning was that the 5-man dethy is almost unfair on the mafioso if the town has their act together. It is very difficult to fool the town if they know what they are doing. Adding a doctor would only make it that much easier for the town to win. Another forced kill means another round of investigations, and a chance of protecting someone versus the murder. It wouldn't interfere with the investigations because the doctor could just claim doctor right away and buy the town another round, period. A casual bit of thought about the game would lead to such a conclusion, I would think, but Beskar argued otherwise. Again, this got me most curious. As I am sure that my subtle hints in his direction did as well.

I suggested there might be two Serial Killers, or One mafia team. He suggested that would make it too hard, because two kills at night would be too many.

:inquisitive:

I had a feeling he was testing me here as well, because one would assume the mafia would have one kill or none at all in a game this small, not immediately leap to the conclusion of 2 kills. The game would be over in the second round.

Beskar brought up the idea of trying to bait people into lynching him. I responded that it might be interesting to see who would try to lynch him. It would give us a clue as to who was anxious to lynch someone (likely the mafia). In order to make sure I wasn't tipping my hand too much, I rejected the idea as being potentially dangerous. What if he actually got lynched?

"Then we get the bandwagoners" he said.

Ah yes. Well, even if he wasn't sure I was mafia, he was still trying to die. From my perspective, a townie who wanted to die was a good thing, and if Beskar was my partner, him dying would be perfect. Either way it was a win/win for me. And most any reasonably aware townie wouldn't try something so dangerous and foolish in a simple game where they themselves already established a nearly foolproof plan to catch the mafia. Attempting another, riskier, less intelligent strategy all for the purposes of Woah, I'm Freaking Obviously Mafia, told me that woah, he was freaking obviously mafia.

We parted ways. I didn't feel the need to go any further with the hinting. Many hours later he asked the obvious hypothetical: "What if I were mafia in a game and I told you that privately. Would you try to lynch me?" So I ask him which game he is mafia in. (Can't resist a good bit of bait) So he said Dethy mafia. At that point I said his earlier behavior had triggered my scum sensors. Not knowing whether or not the town had roles that were aware of this strange joker/mafia pairing, I decided then to investigate Beskar that night instead of killing.

I asked him if he wanted to be lynched, and he said no... you wouldn't lynch me. You'd never lynch me. Except in this other game... Then I told him I didn't believe he was a mafioso. I told him I believed he was a Joker role, to which he replied, if you know that, you're mafia. Still leaving open the possibility that this was all an elaborate ruse, I admitted I was mafia.

From there we spent quite a lot of time attempting to orchestrate his lynch, which was not as easy as I thought it would be. But it was a lot of fun.

I burned my night action ability on checking out Beskar just to make doubly sure I wasn't being played, and of course to make it a little harder on myself. "Hey, free murder... nah."

____________________


The game has a loophole:

Although Beskar and I played in a fair manner which didn't exploit the obvious loopholes, and we attempted to win the hard way (getting him and only him lynched) rather than picking off everyone one by one, there was a simple, obvious solution which breaks the game.

Beskar could have PM'ed everyone and just stated he was mafia. Now, the townies may or may not have believed him, but the real mafioso would have probably believed him. Next, the mafia would simply have had to avoid murdering him, and the two of them could effectively stop almost all activity from the town which could have won the game for them.

Beskar did not do that, but it was a loophole that I saw.

[atheotes]

kudos to ATPG and Beskar...
good job Iskander...i do feel the game is a little imbalanced...maybe you could have made it that the mafia and the joker cannot work together...maybe the mafia cannot win if joker wins...that way once ATPG identified the joker he would have to convince the rest not to vote for Beskar but without telling he is a joker role... i havent thought it through..so correct me if iam wrong.

[A Very Super Market]

Ah, you tricky little demons. I wasn't taken in by Beskar's post editing, but his reasoning and logic seemed extremely scummy. Good game guys.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Admittedly, given the circumstances, the odds of a mafia victory seemed unbalanced.

If Beskar and I hadn't played intelligently, there was a good chance I might have murdered him and lost the game, or I might have gotten lynched and he would have lost the game, but... if you work things out in your head it is fairly simple to avoid that.

The only hard part was actually trying to get a bandwagon on Beskar. After a year of trying to avoid getting lynched, I was actually stumped as to how to get someone lynched intentionally.

[Beskar]

Ah, you tricky little demons. I wasn't taken in by Beskar's post editing, but his reasoning and logic seemed extremely scummy. Good game guys.

Was that because you was actually innocent? :P

Yes, I purposefully tried to get people to dislike me in this game, then they would have more of a reason to lynch me. Hence why I kept saying Traitorix, why I accused you, and accused CDF. I edited my post in the beginning on purpose so it could have been used against me on a later date. I left loop-holes and all this lot around, however... I did say Pizza Guy was Mafia, so if you followed my lead, you could have won the game. This was done on purpose because logic would say "A Mafia wouldn't target a Mafia!".

[Iskander 3.1]

Thank you all for the feedback and constructive criticism, and I'm glad that you all still had fun!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Suggestions for your next game to make it much harder on the mafia, but not impossible:

1. No out of thread communication about the game by anyone.
2. No self-vote by the joker

Then it seems balanced to me.

[atheotes]

Suggestions for your next game to make it much harder on the mafia, but not impossible:

1. No out of thread communication about the game by anyone.
2. No self-vote by the joker

Then it seems balanced to me.

i would like to add one more... mafia cannot win along with joker. :juggle2: