1st Romani Campaign

[Mithradates I]

Greets all! :)

To be honest, this is my first EB campaign period, and I have to say that i am just giddy over it. Far and away my favorite game, ever- and AFAIAC the best game I know of. Naturally, I AM a history buff, so I'll be playing this for a while. Gotta go through all o the factions, dont you know! ;)

Couple of comments. I am on EB 1.1, but so far have not noticed the issues mentioned elsewhere about AI uber-units. SO far my battles against all AI have been so much fun I have about pi$$ed myself with excitement. :laugh4: Allow mw to describe what I mean:

1) Last night I fought at Mediolanum, my first fight against Celts. I had spied the place, and enemy had practically a full stack of some stout units. I was so worried, I took a full stack and another about 75% full. Laid seige, and waited for the count to get to surrender minus 1, and of course there was a sally. EXCEPT- the Celts did not sally. Isat the entire battle period watching them maneuver behind the walls. So, as that ended in a DRAW, ended, and went to battle (sally) again. This time I went ahead and stormed the gate... which was open, BUT- that was the best fight I have yet sen at a gate. There were so many units involved, it was a complete massacre for both sides (I swear, the bodies were actually stacked on each other, LOL). I prevailed at the gate, and eventually took the center, but did have to call up my second army. Anyhoo, that (large) force-on-force fight was so near even, I am now surprised the AI didnt go through me like shite through a goose? Am I missing something? concerning the AI attack boni?

2) Battle on the Volcano. Two turns before, I visited Syracuse for the first time. Manius Scipio slapped himself for being stupid after one look at THAT, then took his full stack army and went to friendly territory on Sicily to await reinforcements (and ordering up some more spies. Syracuse has not been kind to my spies). In hindsight, Manny should have waited behind walls, because as luck would have it, Hasdrubal (!) caught him on the slopes of a volcano with his own super-stack. OMG!!! I lined up, archers behind the men with horses on wings. I received Hasdrubal's attack on the line well at first, except that my right was flanked at some distance. I was not worried too much, because my left was holding like the Maginot Line. Until... frakking ELEPHANTS come DOWN the slope, BEHIND my line!!! Yes boys and girls, it pays to look around sometimes. (I had neglected to check UPHILL to my left). So, that was basically that. I did manage to kill more of Hasdrubal's firends than they killled of me, though Scipio was killed (chased down by enemy cav trying to get to a defended woodline!). That was also the longest, most back-and-forth battle I've had so far. Again, I could not tell about AI bonuses...?Can anyone tell I'm really haviing fun with this?!

So sorry for the long-winded intro. Hope to hear from you guys.

[Jebivjetar]

Scipio must die.

[Zim]

What battle difficulty are you playing at? As long as it isn't VH, I don't think you'll notice any huge AI bonuses.

[Mithradates I]

OOPS! Sorry... I am playing VH/VH. VH battle difficulty.

[Jebivjetar]

Entire Scipio family must be destroyed :furious3:

Rome must burn.

[Mithradates I]

Entire Scipio family must be destroyed :furious3:

Rome must burn.

LOL! :beam: Thanks for the good advice!

[johnhughthom]

You'll learn to love all the lunatics.. sorry, of course I meant Romaioktonoi (I think that's what they call themselves) in the forum.

[Jebivjetar]

Romaioktonioi isn't just a name.
It's a way of life.



Rome must burn.

[Jebivjetar]

http://www.legionsix.org/images/dead3.jpg

Everybody is invited to see this glorious picture.

[Zim]

I do remember the ATW guys saying that the differences weren't nearly as big as people thought they were, and with def stats much higher in EB the attack bonuses might not be as noticable.

Never played anything past H battle difficulty mself, though (and that only in other mods).


OOPS! Sorry... I am playing VH/VH. VH battle difficulty.

[Mithradates I]

Jebivyetar-

it is very nice to meet you! frankly, I love this kind of play, it's hilarious. :idea2: I know... after a while, I will look up playing multi with you if you are still into it. :)

Thanks for the responses everyone.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Romani are fun. Infantry warfare to the extreme unless you hire mercs or build lots of Equites Extrordinarii early on. I never did hit Marian Reforms in my campaign. Got a dumb recurring CTD after I had broken Carthage and started to conquer North Africa. Camillan Period is fun, but Polybian is even better! That said, I much prefer to play Hellenic factions. My introduction to EB was with Makedonia and what an introduction it was!

[satalexton]

Truth and hope to Fatherland,
death to every foe!
Hoist your xiphos to the clouds!
ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!

[Maion Maroneios]

And yes people, we are the proud Romaioktonoi and yes, it's not a name it's a way of living. But this in not the proper place to advertise ourselves. As for who the real lunatics are, I won't make a single comment.

Nice to hear you're actually having fun with the Romaioi, even though they're not exactly my favourite faction. But I think your problem is that you play on VH battle difficulty. This totally spoils everything the EB team did to balance gameplay.

Maion

[Chris1959]

Well I've played Rome all the way to 14AD and it was fun, fun, fun. I would recomend some of the mini mods, Konny's allied legions allows you to create much more balanced armies.
Please note it takes a while:laugh4:

[Jebivjetar]

Jebivyetar-

it is very nice to meet you! frankly, I love this kind of play, it's hilarious. :idea2: I know... after a while, I will look up playing multi with you if you are still into it. :)




Hey, no offence. I was just joking last night, and i didn't want to ruin your topic. I wish you a nice campaign, and, of course, have a nightmare against AI on VH/VH (:skull:)

:2thumbsup:

[Moros]

Wether your favourite faction is roman, hellenic, Northern European, Eastern,... you should not spam.

Of course the Arabia fans are excluded. ;)

[Mithradates I]

Whew! The Marian Reform occured 242 BC. Rome controls 12 regions, has won 48 battles and lost 21.

Rome is now allied with the Ptolemaioi. The war with Carthage continues but is on the back-burner at the moment, due to Carthage having its hands full with the Ptolemaioi in N. Africa. Italy is peaceful and growing. Massana rebelled and became Cartaginian, but was retaken by the legions in Sicily. With the fall of Syracuse to seige, all of Sicily is now Roman (:sweatdrop:) and the heavy forces are moving north to join the real fight.

War against the Arverni

The Real Fight, where the hits (and the Arverni) just keep on coming. With the first successful defense of a besieged town (Patavium), the SAP Line (Segesta-Ariminum-Patavium) has been established and is holding. The Arverni, however, continue to pour into Cisalpina and the fighting is escalating. (NOTE: I lost one of my better armies to the Arverni fighting in the heavy northern forest; you know, the forests where you cannot see squat until it is right on you? Wait, 'lost' is not correct: my army was destroyed. You know, "Varus, give me back my legions" ANNIHILATED. I was truly embarrased. Love this game!). So, present objectives are to retake Bononia (again) and Mediolanum, fortify Cisalpina, grab Corsica and Sardinia, then turn my attention to the Illyrian coast. (Or finish Carthage?). :yes:

[Moros]

The Marian Reform occured 242 BC.
Gah? Polybian reforms perhaps or did you mod the requirements?

[Mithradates I]

Gah? Polybian reforms perhaps or did you mod the requirements?

Correction: it was the Polybian reforms that I got in 242. :dizzy2:

[Macilrille]

And yes people, we are the proud Romaioktonoi and yes, it's not a name it's a way of living. But this in not the proper place to advertise ourselves. As for who the real lunatics are, I won't make a single comment.

Nice to hear you're actually having fun with the Romaioi, even though they're not exactly my favourite faction. But I think your problem is that you play on VH battle difficulty. This totally spoils everything the EB team did to balance gameplay.

Maion

Maion!!!

Are you ill???

I am glad of this new style. Perhaps that will influence the loonies of all kinds.

/me hands maion a BIG drink.

[lionhard]

Im doin romani campaign on hard/hard and i didnt attack any1 until 250 bc when epirus attacked me and then carthage did straight after, iv got the gauls and the germans attacking now and iv just managed to take sicily and defending like mad, its a better campaign than i thought but only thing is i never lose any battles, been some close 1's though. I supose its playing out history well cas romans pwned everyone :P

[Maion Maroneios]

I supose its playing out history well cas romans pwned everyone :P
I'm pretty sure you all know I'm just itching to answer to such posts. Not just because they have to do with the Romaioi, but because it just bursts with "ahistoricalness".

Maion

[Macilrille]

Here is a balloon for you Maion, for not going berserk in your Hellene-love :balloon2:

Now, in fact the question is relevant (though not in this thread), if you can keep objective it should definately be discussed in another thread and I shall gladly pipe in ;-)

Edited to add, I fear certain others cannot keep objective though, or rather that their subjectiveness will be too dominant (we are all subjective in some way), but if you can keep your kohorts in line, let us by all means touch the subject.

[Mithradates I]

Im doin romani campaign on hard/hard and i didnt attack any1 until 250 bc when epirus attacked me and then carthage did straight after, iv got the gauls and the germans attacking now and iv just managed to take sicily and defending like mad, its a better campaign than i thought but only thing is i never lose any battles, been some close 1's though. I supose its playing out history well cas romans pwned everyone :P

No fighting until 250?! If only... :laugh4:

And oh, btw... I recently noticed on my campaign map a set of crossed swords marking a "famous battle" with date and who was present. Is it known what will produce that symbol, as my map is not full of dozens of them?

[lionhard]

When a faction gains a heroic victory in battle the crossed swords mark which generals fought and won/lost.

The map gets full of them, its nice sometimes looking back and seeing who uv pwned or been pwned by :P


Oh and Maion Maroneios we all know the romans lost battles in history but on a whole they pwned everyone, trust me im not a roman lover i think they were greedy and merceless towards everyone, i prefere macedonia or carthage even in real life. i love my history and i never stop reading and watching anything to do with conflict from the years 400bc-500ad.

But we have to give the romans their due, It would have been nice to see how history played out if carthage would have sacked rome, but then again like some 1 said once it may have been a bad thing and we may have been all worshipping the carthaginian gods baal hammon? and sacrificing children lol

[option]

The way they did the Romans in EB is so damn cool. The little things like senate offices, the specific legion names, and all that make it so much more immersive and give EB its deserved reputation as one of the best games ever.

Also, slightly on-topic, I just watched this doc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68hlu9aKyYU&feature=related) on Carthage and it's a very nice overview of the Punic empire and the Punic Wars from the Carthaginian point of view. Raises some very good points.

[Mithradates I]

The way they did the Romans in EB is so damn cool. The little things like senate offices, the specific legion names, and all that make it so much more immersive and give EB its deserved reputation as one of the best games ever.

Also, slightly on-topic, I just watched this doc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68hlu9aKyYU&feature=related) on Carthage and it's a very nice overview of the Punic empire and the Punic Wars from the Carthaginian point of view. Raises some very good points.

I agree with you 100%. I am having way too much fun with this- and from the looks of it, will be for quite some time! Back in junior high school, I read Gibbons' tome Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.It was my light summer reading one year. Anyway, playing the Romani in this game is like re-enacting the detail (to an extent, of course) in what I have read of Roman history.

[Ghaust the Moor]

http://www.legionsix.org/images/dead3.jpg

Everybody is invited to see this glorious picture.

those look like samnites....

[kuroiya88]

When a faction gains a heroic victory in battle the crossed swords mark which generals fought and won/lost.

Oh and Maion Maroneios we all know the romans lost battles in history but on a whole they pwned everyone, trust me im not a roman lover i think they were greedy and merceless towards everyone, i prefere macedonia or carthage even in real life. i love my history and i never stop reading and watching anything to do with conflict from the years 400bc-500ad.



I thought the Macedonians were just as bad. That's why the greek city states preferred to serve Rome instead of Macedon. The Macedonian king at the time was a total tyrant apparently.

[option]

I thought the Macedonians were just as bad. That's why the greek city states preferred to serve Rome instead of Macedon. The Macedonian king at the time was a total tyrant apparently.

I'm not sure what it was like under Perseus, but Philip V was a lenient ruler and in the Second Macedonian War the majority of the Greek cities resented or actively resisted their 'liberation' by the Romans. I think I remember reading that Perseus was more of a despot, though, and that the Greek cities more or less welcomed Rome in the Third Macedonian War (except Corinth, of course, which was razed to its foundations).

[Maion Maroneios]

Maybe he was a total tyrant, even though I doubt this. AFAIK, Macedonian Kings has much less power than an absolute monarch does. They were kept in check by the nobility, who could even dethrone him if he was not a good leader. Also remember the times were very bad for the Kingdom, with all the migration to the East and the constant warfare going on for supremacy in Hellas. No wonder taking the whole country was a cake for the Romaioi at that time.

Maion

[lionhard]

Exactly the greeks had always been at war, although the romans used a lot of diplomacey to get a hot seat in greece they did it on the sly in my view. Macedonia in my view had been a liberator of the west to east in trade and migration. its sad to see how Alexanders empire crumbled under the romans, nearly every faction that rome dominated was busy with war elsewhere sad really :( would have been nice to see fairer fights i supose they got wat was coming when they marched into parthia, or when varus took his legions into germania.

[satalexton]

The Romaioi are natural cowards, they would never have picked a fight with Makedonia if The Fatherland wasn't so sorely weakened by infighting back then. Vultures, them Xenos.

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Haha every hellenistic power had been destroyed by the Romans in open battles. The brilliant diplomatic actions before any battle (who is an intelligent strategy, not a coward one) only assured that those "powers" would crumble just after the battle, with little to no need of further battles.

Against the new Roman tactics developed by Publio Cornelio Scipione, even the mighty Seleukid army couldn't stand a chance. We saw it at Magnesia, where the elite of the Seleukid army led by their Emperor were beaten by the Romans. Seleukids had chariots, cataphracts, horse archers, syrian archers, tons of heavy phalanxes. But lost. Legions were the future, phalanxes the past: the "golden proportion" had been broken and the "new" hellenic tactics were unable to counter the new Legions.

No way, internal fighings don't count very much in these battles: the hellenistic powers had been defeated in open battles. Cinoscefale (don't know the english or greek name) and Magnesia are clear victories.


Also, if the hellenistic powers aren't cleaver enough to stop fighting each other when the Roman power was rising, it's not Roman's fault. Makedonia tried to attack Rome when Rome was in serious trouble (those brave makedonians!), when Hannibal was kicking Roman's asses throughout the entire peninsula, but STILL failed.

[Knight of Heaven]

That is true.
when you saying that rome conquer the other major powers while they were busy, isnt true. what i think you saying is most of satraps and kings resort to roman army to help then, that happen alot, and of course this happen trough diplomacy.

[option]

Exactly the greeks had always been at war, although the romans used a lot of diplomacey to get a hot seat in greece they did it on the sly in my view. Macedonia in my view had been a liberator of the west to east in trade and migration. its sad to see how Alexanders empire crumbled under the romans, nearly every faction that rome dominated was busy with war elsewhere sad really :( would have been nice to see fairer fights i supose they got wat was coming when they marched into parthia, or when varus took his legions into germania.

The Romans did have a lot of success against the Parthians. Aside from Carrhae, they defeated the Parthians the vast majority of the time and sacked Ctesiphon five seperate times. It was really only rash, uncoordinated attacks and border skirmishes that the Parthians won, when Rome organized full campaigns against them they generally did very well.

[Macilrille]

Forget it fellows, some people are just too delusional. Even when I presented Sata with the Roman/Italian manpower losses in the 2nd Punic a few months ago (which were huge), he still persisted in his delusion that it was only because Macedonia was weak and Rome strong around 200 BC that Rome won.

Obviously that says it all, let those wallow in their delusions that choose to do so, Maion I have hope for despite his joking, Sata and a few others are a lost cause. Ask for game advice, etc.; fine, believe that they will view Hellenes vs Romans somewhat objectively (obviously no one is completely objective), forget it.

[Mithradates I]

Hey guys! Interesting convo since my last post. Now on to the apropos...

In my campaign, it is now 231 BC. My 7-year campaign against the Arverni is successfully concluded with my seizure of Massalia and a firm hold on Cisalpina (never mind the effort required to do so sent Rome nearly 40,000 minae into the red at one point). It WAS fun looting Sicily to pay for the war in the north, but I digress...

JUST as the Arverni War was ending, with Rome re-deploying units, etc., the Makedonians attacked me. As this is my first campaign, and not having fought the Makedonians before, it was back-and-forth there in the northeast for a time (and actually is still a bit dicey), I do have great respect for the Makedonian units that I have seen thus far. Time will tell.... :)

[Mithradates I]

I am having a CTD issue in my Romani campaign. Interesting, since it is the first time I have experienced this with the game. My questtion is, is this something that I can look forward to happening all the time when I get to this time frame (232BC)? Is that an issue that has been encountered before? Or is there just no real way to tell....

[Macilrille]

I am having a CTD issue in my Romani campaign. Interesting, since it is the first time I have experienced this with the game. My questtion is, is this something that I can look forward to happening all the time when I get to this time frame (232BC)? Is that an issue that has been encountered before? Or is there just no real way to tell....

With my beloved Romans I get lots of CTDs in the western parts of the field of operatuions. Carthage and Lusotania (especially the latter). There may be fixes, I never got them to work (my nerd skills are at lvl 2), so to me it is a question of accepting them...

People with higher nerd skill might know more.

[Xurr]

I am having a CTD issue in my Romani campaign. Interesting, since it is the first time I have experienced this with the game. My questtion is, is this something that I can look forward to happening all the time when I get to this time frame (232BC)? Is that an issue that has been encountered before? Or is there just no real way to tell....

Just make sure to have multiple saves and ensure you save before every battle, especially ones where you are attacked. This way you will lose very little and can even go back in time a bit if you run into something a more recent save can't get past. I did this and managed to finish a full Bartix campaign and a full KH one as well.

[Mithradates I]

OK... thanks guys! :beam:

[TruePraetorian]

I did this and managed to finish a full Bartix campaign and a full KH one as well.

I never got around to finish a Bartix campaign..very nice.



Back to topic, I find one of the best ways to avoid CTDs is to turn off autosave. For some reason I haven't had a CTD since, except for the occasional memory leak one (which is why I save often.)

And good for you on choosing the Senate and People of Rome for your EB campaign :smug:.

I wish you luck on fighting the Makedonians. You shouldn't need it of course.

[Maion Maroneios]

Haha every hellenistic power had been destroyed by the Romans in open battles. The brilliant diplomatic actions before any battle (who is an intelligent strategy, not a coward one) only assured that those "powers" would crumble just after the battle, with little to no need of further battles.
Ever heard of Pyrrhos (a series of bloody Epeirote victories) or Kallinikos (Perseus beating Licinius Crassus)? What you said about the Romaioi beating every Hellenistic power in an open battlefield was lame and unthoughtful. And the diplomatic actions were for creating alliances etc, not for defeating a power after a single battle. Even though severely depleted of manpower and battered over and over, it took more than a single decisive battle to bring "tiny" Makedonia to her knees.


Against the new Roman tactics developed by Publio Cornelio Scipione, even the mighty Seleukid army couldn't stand a chance. We saw it at Magnesia, where the elite of the Seleukid army led by their Emperor were beaten by the Romans. Seleukids had chariots, cataphracts, horse archers, syrian archers, tons of heavy phalanxes. But lost. Legions were the future, phalanxes the past: the "golden proportion" had been broken and the "new" hellenic tactics were unable to counter the new Legions.
The battle of Thermopylai was a disaster for the Sleuekidai, because the Romaioi managed to outflank them and in result the phalanx broke and fled. Magnesia was another grand example of how clumsy chariots were when used unproperly. Also, the elephants were never able to actually participate in the battle. Not to mention there were no "new" tactics by the Hellenes. The Makedones, for example, instead of funding for more horsemen decided to rely heavily upon the phalanx to act as an attacking force. This, my friend, was wrong.


No way, internal fighings don't count very much in these battles: the hellenistic powers had been defeated in open battles. Cinoscefale (don't know the english or greek name) and Magnesia are clear victories.
They don't very much? If the Makedones had a decent enough cavalry force and some solid phalanxes, along with some willing allies to assist them, I'd give my left hand that the outcome of the wars would have been (at least slightly) different. I do not mean the Makedones would have won the wars, but certainly without such severe casualties and decisiveness. But that's just speculation, I know. Also, infighting tends to deplete population, you know? And population is were you draw soldiers from, you know?


Also, if the hellenistic powers aren't cleaver enough to stop fighting each other when the Roman power was rising, it's not Roman's fault. Makedonia tried to attack Rome when Rome was in serious trouble (those brave makedonians!), when Hannibal was kicking Roman's asses throughout the entire peninsula, but STILL failed.
It was not a matter of being clever or not. Huge migrations to the East were occuring in the Western Hellenistic states, thus depleting the male population of fighting age. Also, it was the nature of the Hellenistic states thay caused them to be at each other's throats. I remember reading somewhere that this was the case with the Epigonoi, or Successors. There could be only one Basileus. Also, Makedonia did shit to invade Rome when Hannibal kicked their arses. Get your facts straight.

Maion

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Ever heard of Pyrrhos (a series of bloody Epeirote victories) or Kallinikos (Perseus beating Licinius Crassus)? What you said about the Romaioi beating every Hellenistic power in an open battlefield was lame and unthoughtful. And the diplomatic actions were for creating alliances etc, not for defeating a power after a single battle. Even though severely depleted of manpower and battered over and over, it took more than a single decisive battle to bring "tiny" Makedonia to her knees.

You are right, initially those hellenistic powers fought well, but it's wrong too to said that they dominated in some way. Phyrrus won a few battle, but at such cost (despite being superior and being a GREAT general) that he had to retreat. And at Beneventum, he ultimately lost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beneventum_(275_BC)).

Perseus won a battle, but Rome didn't surrender. Rome won a battle and Perseus lost all, and was captured. So, ultimately it tooks only ONE decisive battle to take down the whole Makedonian Kingdom, Pidna battle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pydna. Such a difference, isn't it?

You're forgetting the first two makedonian wars, that Rome won as well...



The battle of Thermopylai was a disaster for the Sleuekidai, because the Romaioi managed to outflank them and in result the phalanx broke and fled. Magnesia was another grand example of how clumsy chariots were when used unproperly. Also, the elephants were never able to actually participate in the battle. Not to mention there were no "new" tactics by the Hellenes. The Makedones, for example, instead of funding for more horsemen decided to rely heavily upon the phalanx to act as an attacking force. This, my friend, was wrong.ù

I put " " for underline that the seleukid's tactics were developed from alexandros' ones, so they were "new". Those tactics proved to be bad and led the Seleukids to terrible defeats, but in fact they were new, and developed from alexandros tactics.

So, we stated that romans at Magnesia beaten Seleukids army, probably the best army the hellenic powers had set up since Alexandros' time.



They don't very much? If the Makedones had a decent enough cavalry force and some solid phalanxes, along with some willing allies to assist them, I'd give my left hand that the outcome of the wars would have been (at least slightly) different. I do not mean the Makedones would have won the wars, but certainly without such severe casualties and decisiveness. But that's just speculation, I know. Also, infighting tends to deplete population, you know? And population is were you draw soldiers from, you know?

If they had...

And if Hannibal had Tiger tanks it could destroy Rome's fortifications and conquer the city...

In fact, they lost three times. Why? Because Romans were more determinated to win, and because ROmans' tactics were becaming better and better, while macedonian's and hellenic's tactics not.





It was not a matter of being clever or not. Huge migrations to the East were occuring in the Western Hellenistic states, thus depleting the male population of fighting age. Also, it was the nature of the Hellenistic states thay caused them to be at each other's throats. I remember reading somewhere that this was the case with the Epigonoi, or Successors. There could be only one Basileus. Also, Makedonia did shit to invade Rome when Hannibal kicked their arses. Get your facts straight.

Maion

Makedonians attacked illyrians colonies held by the Romans when Hannibal was fighting in Italy. And failed, even if the Romans had their main forces away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Macedonian_War

[Macilrille]

Maion, you are no doubt right that the Hellenes were depleted in manpower, but as I have said before, so were the Romans, right after the 2nd Punic with hannibal on a rampage in Italy...

The numbers are in Brunt's "Italian Manpower" from 1971, I have returned it to the library, so I cannot look up the numbers again, but I seem to recall that the Romans, Latians and Italians had lost 10% of their population in that war. That is effectively crippling for a country and I doubt it is any less than the Hellenes.

Mikhail, remember the battle was fought on Makedonia's home turf so a defeat actually did effectively mean loss of war for your cities would be open to Roman attack and the Romans showed extreme ruthlessnes in both the 2nd and 3rd macedonian wars, wiping out numerous towns and cities with an abandon extreme even for their violent race.

Legions were still superior to Phalanxes though except in a few specific circumstances. Romans kept developing their warfare to their enemies, Hellenes seems not to have, a bit like France and Britain vs Germany in the thirties.

[Maion Maroneios]

You are right, initially those hellenistic powers fought well, but it's wrong too to said that they dominated in some way. Phyrrus won a few battle, but at such cost (despite being superior and being a GREAT general) that he had to retreat. And at Beneventum, he ultimately lost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beneventum_(275_BC)).

Perseus won a battle, but Rome didn't surrender. Rome won a battle and Perseus lost all, and was captured. So, ultimately it tooks only ONE decisive battle to take down the whole Makedonian Kingdom, Pidna battle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pydna. Such a difference, isn't it?

You're forgetting the first two makedonian wars, that Rome won as well...
I know he ultimately lost, as did all Hellenistic powers that opposed the unstoppable Roman juggernaut. It was inevitable, and I know that very well. Also, I know Rome didn't surrender after Perseus won. That'd be stupid, since Rome was the invading power. Anyway, what I wanted to show you is that you were wrong when you said Makedon surrendered with just one battle. It took Rome 3 wars to ultimately bring Makedon to her knees. Pydna was not the only battle they fought, nor that they won. Also, you said they always won against Hellenistic powers head-on. That is also incorrect, as I gave you 2 examples that prove the contrary.


I put " " for underline that the seleukid's tactics were developed from alexandros' ones, so they were "new". Those tactics proved to be bad and led the Seleukids to terrible defeats, but in fact they were new, and developed from alexandros tactics.

So, we stated that romans at Magnesia beaten Seleukids army, probably the best army the hellenic powers had set up since Alexandros' time.
I agree with that, but the nature of the post-Aelxandrian remained the same. Hammer and avil tactics, ever the same. Rome though, she underwent drastical military reforms. From a hoplite-based army, she switched to flexible infantry imitating the Samnitai during the wars against them.


If they had...

And if Hannibal had Tiger tanks it could destroy Rome's fortifications and conquer the city...

In fact, they lost three times. Why? Because Romans were more determinated to win, and because ROmans' tactics were becaming better and better, while macedonian's and hellenic's tactics not.
A already stated my oppinion is pure speculation, nothing more. If you don't like it, that's your right. I never said you should share the same oppinions as I do. And I know very well why the Romans kept winning. Everything seemed to work in their favour, plus their flexible formations were proving to be more than on par with phalanxes. Especially when it came to uneven terrain, were phalanxes had a clear disadvantage.


Makedonians attacked illyrians colonies held by the Romans when Hannibal was fighting in Italy. And failed, even if the Romans had their main forces away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Macedonian_War
This is very far from an Italian invasion. You said Makedon invaded Italy while Hannibas was wrecking havoc, which was once again inaccurate and false. Makedon never invaded Italy at that point.

Oh, and please stop giving me links to Wikipedia.

Maion

[Mikhail Mengsk]

I know he ultimately lost, as did all Hellenistic powers that opposed the unstoppable Roman juggernaut. It was inevitable, and I know that very well. Also, I know Rome didn't surrender after Perseus won. That'd be stupid, since Rome was the invading power. Anyway, what I wanted to show you is that you were wrong when you said Makedon surrendered with just one battle. It took Rome 3 wars to ultimately bring Makedon to her knees. Pydna was not the only battle they fought, nor that they won. Also, you said they always won against Hellenistic powers head-on. That is also incorrect, as I gave you 2 examples that prove the contrary.

I was wrong, that's correct. I mean that they won the decisive battles, not every battle. And that every decisive loss, the hellenistic powers decided to surrender in some way (of course it required 3 wars, but every peace treaty reduced makedonian's power). Rome didn't.




I agree with that, but the nature of the post-Aelxandrian remained the same. Hammer and avil tactics, ever the same. Rome though, she underwent drastical military reforms. From a hoplite-based army, she switched to flexible infantry imitating the Samnitai during the wars against them.

I think alexandros' tactics had been hardly changed by successor's powers (more pikes, less cavalry, new kind of units), so seleukids tactics could be called "new" but it's a personal opinion. :yes:




A already stated my oppinion is pure speculation, nothing more. If you don't like it, that's your right. I never said you should share the same oppinions as I do. And I know very well why the Romans kept winning. Everything seemed to work in their favour, plus their flexible formations were proving to be more than on par with phalanxes. Especially when it came to uneven terrain, were phalanxes had a clear disadvantage.

I agree with that.




This is very far from an Italian invasion. You said Makedon invaded Italy while Hannibas was wrecking havoc, which was once again inaccurate and false. Makedon never invaded Italy at that point.

No, i said makedon ATTACKED Rome, not that it invaded italy. Attacking illyrian colonies is a war act, and it requires troops to be sent in a new front. Someone said Rome won only because hellenics were fighting someone else when Rome attacked. This is false, AND Rome won a war even when attacked while it was being beaten by its worst and greatest enemy.




Oh, and please stop giving me links to Wikipedia.

Maion

I would like you to giving me links, because for example i couldn't find Larissa's battle details (i found only a few) and i'd like to see them because i'd like to know more about ancient battles. I don't see anything offensive in doing that (i'm sorry if you found me offensive it was not in my intenctions), i appreciate it in a debate. Those links are not for you only, but if anyone say


The Romaioi are natural cowards, they would never have picked a fight with Makedonia if The Fatherland wasn't so sorely weakened by infighting back then. Vultures, them Xenos.

I think he needs some good link.

Of course, it was BEFORE i know that most of you Romaioktonoi's posts are not SO serious.:sweatdrop:

[Maion Maroneios]

I see we agree on most matters, so I won't go any further into this. And sorry for the misunderstanding of "invasion" on my part. Yes, it's true they tried to invade Illyria which was under Roman authority at that time but failed miserably.

Maion

[Mithradates I]

OK... I went into Preferences and changed Auot_Save to False, but it is still auto-saving. Myt question now becomes, how do i turn off Auto-Save? :wall:

[Maion Maroneios]

My question is: Why in hell would you want to turn that off? It has saved me a couple of times when I thought I didn't need to save before fighting a big battle only to get a nice CTD back from my beloved computer.

Maion

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Yep, I agree. Autosave is GOD, especially in EB.

[Mikhail Mengsk]

My question is: Why in hell would you want to turn that off? It has saved me a couple of times when I thought I didn't need to save before fighting a big battle only to get a nice CTD back from my beloved computer.

Maion

TOTALLY agree, thanks God there is autosave! :2thumbsup:

[Mithradates I]

My question is: Why in hell would you want to turn that off? It has saved me a couple of times when I thought I didn't need to save before fighting a big battle only to get a nice CTD back from my beloved computer.

Maion

Because I have been told disabling Auto-Save cuts down on CTDs. And all one has to do is save often. :dizzy2:

And BTW, I started my Romani campaugn over on VH/M. NOT only because of the berating I got ("designers optimized unit performance for Medium Battle Difficulty", blah blah blah), but because of a damanably irritating recurring CTD JUST after a brilliant victory against the Makedonians. That's why.

[Maion Maroneios]

after a brilliant victory against the Makedonians. That's why.
That was simply Zeus, my friend. No wonder why he bolt-CTDed you.

Maion

[TruePraetorian]

Because I have been told disabling Auto-Save cuts down on CTDs. And all one has to do is save often. :dizzy2:

And BTW, I started my Romani campaugn over on VH/M. NOT only because of the berating I got ("designers optimized unit performance for Medium Battle Difficulty", blah blah blah), but because of a damanably irritating recurring CTD JUST after a brilliant victory against the Makedonians. That's why.

I said turn off autosave, but that's my own opinion. Autosave overwrites itself constantly and can lead to those CTD's you don't want due to corruptions in the save.

Think about loading up a save that has been corrupted by overwriting (which happens), not noticing anything wrong, and then saving your game. Now you saved a corrupted file and are more vulnerable to those CTDs.

I am guilty of overwriting my saves, but it is best to save a completely fresh file and delete the old one so no overwriting takes place. Odds are you'll be fine, but the way autosave works means it could be saving before a script is activated or something of the sort and that would lead to bad results :thumbsdown:

EDIT:
I re-read your post Mithradates, and that is exactly what I am talking about. That reccuring CTD could be the cause of autosave corrupting itself.

[Mithradates I]

I said turn off autosave, but that's my own opinion. Autosave overwrites itself constantly and can lead to those CTD's you don't want due to corruptions in the save.

Think about loading up a save that has been corrupted by overwriting (which happens), not noticing anything wrong, and then saving your game. Now you saved a corrupted file and are more vulnerable to those CTDs.

I am guilty of overwriting my saves, but it is best to save a completely fresh file and delete the old one so no overwriting takes place. Odds are you'll be fine, but the way autosave works means it could be saving before a script is activated or something of the sort and that would lead to bad results :thumbsdown:

EDIT:
I re-read your post Mithradates, and that is exactly what I am talking about. That reccuring CTD could be the cause of autosave corrupting itself.

And thank you for your opinion ( and response). And from now on, I will do exactly that, make fresh saves so as to avoid over-overwriting (:skull:). Thanks again. :2thumbsup:

[Mithradates I]

That was simply Zeus, my friend. No wonder why he bolt-CTDed you.

Maion

Methinks you to be correct. Have to come up with a work-around against invoking the wrath of Iupiter. :beam:

[Mithradates I]

I am still hanging in there with this. I restarted on VH/M, still v1.1 (RTW). 68 wins, 14 loses, Polybian hit in 242.

Winter 231, Roma

56-year old FL Sextus Papirius Crassus entertains and directs the education of Sextus Aurelius Cotta (17) when he is not paying attention to the affairs of the provinces. Rome is currently allied Makedonia, Sweboz, Arverni, and Lusotana and at war with only the Aedui. Almost all of the 18 provinces were happy, only Taras and Alalia content. Nearly a decade ago, at one of the earlier battles in the dark forests just north of Mediolanum, 4 FMs were killed in one battle. Two other FMs had been killed in two seperate other battles, and though the Mediolanum campaign was succesful-and there was a brief subsequent period of peace with the Aedui- Rome demanded revenge. Thus, seven years following the capture of Mediolanum, in spring 233, then-34 year old Numerius Cornelius Scipio (already hailed Vanquisher of the Galli and a celebrated Triumphator for the earlier campaign) led two armies in an attack against the Aedui town Viennos.

Scipio commanded one army with 3 other FMs attached as legates, approached Viennos from the east, while the second army approached from the south. There followed a spectacular series of three battles against four Aedui armies over the next two seasons fought by Scipio's army, while the southern army (commanded by Tiberius Cornelius Arvina) took Viennos. By the winter of 233, Scipio was forced back to Mediolanum with only a fraction of his army remaining BUT all of his legates alive, winning their life-long loyalty. Two years later, Scipio returned to a besieged Marcus Papirius Turdus, lifting the seige of Viennos in an epic three-way battle in the forest with Arverni allies against the Aedui. Now, however, Scipio the Hier to the Republic, has the traits Flagging and Confined to Bed. I am building a Hospital in Rome hoping that helps because I CANNOT aford to lose him (if I can help it).

[Mithradates I]

https://img200.imageshack.us/i/rometw2009071010172117.png/

[Mithradates I]

Still working on posting screenshots-this is a test. I do not want to do an AAR with just links, but may have to.

https://img200.imageshack.us/i/rometw2009071010172117.png/

[Mithradates I]

Heh

[Maion Maroneios]

Good going, are the Gallioi causing too much trouble?

Maion

[Mithradates I]

Good going, are the Gallioi causing too much trouble?

Maion

Actually, yes they are! LOL.Well, its Winter of 215 now. The Aedui made a major push through the riverine defenses, beseiged and attacked Bibracte but they were defeated. They did end up taking Gergovia from the Arverni, which then made peace with each other. That made Gergovia a valid target for the Romani, and I took that from them. My expansion was slow because I was upgrading the Italian provinces MICs to Polybian standards. :beam:

[Mithradates I]

Winter 214 BC

Fighting on Makedonia frontier intensifying. I am seeing at VH/M that in battles against the Maks, if they have no FM present and their captain is killed, they are routing fairly easily. With Mak FMs present though, they are MUCH tougher fights. I hope to have conquered the Aedui within 5-6 years.

https://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5370/rometw2009071211592148.png

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, that kind of works with all factions. Kill the FM or captain, and the army is demoralized pretty quickly until their last will to stand and fight evaporates.

Maion

[Darius]

I've NEVER seen the maks take so much ground before, normally in my games it's either the Epirotes or the Greeks that just steam roll the Greek mainland.

[Mithradates I]

Well, that kind of works with all factions. Kill the FM or captain, and the army is demoralized pretty quickly until their last will to stand and fight evaporates.

Maion

Yea, I get it. And, I have not really fought iconc Mak units in strength as yet. I am really not looking forward to what is coming though...

Winter 212 BC.

The Aedui are pretty much spent. Now that I have heavier forces in that area, I am not having too much problem. My alliances are holding thus far, provincial development is practically on hold with increasing military pressure. My current plan is to make everything outside Italy an allied province for now, but to develop Italy has much as I can afford- the idea being to build up the economy. Furthermore, there is a growing problem in the east:

https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7729/rometw2009071217083559.png

This is going to be interesting. :dizzy2:

[fleaza]

it sure is, im looking forward to hearing from you again i wanna know how it goes.

im playing a roman campaign myself. im in 230bc right now and ive only just been able to conquer north africa (from lepki to ippone), sicily and italy. im making my way into illyria right now with 1 sarmy and im making my way west in north africa with another army.

im roleplaying my campaign. ive killed every single family member except the scipiones. ive decided that i will only adopt or accept scipionic members. if i cannot find a scipione to wed a daughter then the daughter dies a virgin. lucius cornelius scipio has just died naturally which is annoying beause he was only 62 with 10 stars, management and influence.

im playing on h/h with alexander EB which is much harder than vanilla. pretty much every rebel army is a full stack.

[Mithradates I]

it sure is, im looking forward to hearing from you again i wanna know how it goes.

im playing a roman campaign myself. im in 230bc right now and ive only just been able to conquer north africa (from lepki to ippone), sicily and italy. im making my way into illyria right now with 1 sarmy and im making my way west in north africa with another army.

im roleplaying my campaign. ive killed every single family member except the scipiones. ive decided that i will only adopt or accept scipionic members. if i cannot find a scipione to wed a daughter then the daughter dies a virgin. lucius cornelius scipio has just died naturally which is annoying beause he was only 62 with 10 stars, management and influence.

im playing on h/h with alexander EB which is much harder than vanilla. pretty much every rebel army is a full stack.

Hello, and good luck with your camapign. From what you are saying, it sounds like it will be tough. I am playing as historically as I can according to the guides on EB Romani historicity I find here, and am role-playing my game as well (though not as you are with the FMs-sounds like ou are REALLY making life difficult for yourself, but also VERY interesting! I may try like that next time). I really wanted to more follow the historical Roman expansion pattern BUT, this being my first EB campaign and the AI prevented me from doing so. Besides, after I took Sicily (having already taken Corsica and Sardinia), the Carthags came to me for peace, which I readily accepted. Anyway...

Would you (or anyone) please tell me how I can 'get' Alexander to play EB on, and if it requires RTW or BI? Thanks.

[Mithradates I]

Winter 210.

Overall the last two years have seen a tremendous amount of fighting, and I have lost far more FMs than I would have liked. I am up to about 90 total, but lost eight in the last two years alone, all fighting the Maks.

Italy
https://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4946/rometw2009071411002773.png

Eleutheroi becoming more active in Italy. Syracuse Allied State doing a good job of producing units which I use for Republic police duty. As of this shot, those units had just defeated an Eleutheroi army in Sicily and are en route to deal with the threats shown above.

Illyria
https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6977/rometw2009071410500798.png

Following an apocalyptic series of battles (meaning I have knowingly engaged against horrendous odds and fought to the last), the Venetia fort has been overrun and destroyed. The Maks have laid siege to Patavium twice and it has been lifted twice. The Mak front is a meat grinder if ever there was one; every Roman life lost on the frontier buys time for the four large armies I am raising to arrive. I expect to lose Patavium and have to retake it by the time my massive reinforcements arrive, but the Maks will not make it any further into Italy than that.

Gaul
https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7701/rometw2009071410480423.png

Relatively quiet now, but at tremendous cost. Sieges have had to be lifted at Avaricum, Bibracte and Gergovia. As with Syracuse, if not for Massalia producing a goodly number of units I would be in much worse shape here, with the vast bulk of my units needed to fight the Maks.

[Caligula]

Looks and sounds like you have one heck of a campaign going Mithradates I! Thanks for sharing! :2thumbsup:

[Valion]

Aww i wish my romani campaign was this intense xD

[Mithradates I]

I have been kind of busy the last couple of days. Fortunately for me, all has ended well on the RW front.

Autumn 207 BC.

I have also been having my @$$ handed to me. As evidence:

Gaul

https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3460/rometw2009071708541060.png

Remember when I said the Aedui were 'spent'? Well, jokes on me for that one. Actually, the situation now is so dire, I decided to raze (sell off all the buildings I could) the towns I still hold in Gaul- with a view to losing them soon. The proceeds will go toward the fourth full-stack army I am raising to fight the Maks.

Italy

https://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5729/rometw2009071708534201.png

My newly-raised forces are nearly to the fight. The next year will tell me if this one is completely bulloxed yet.

I am open to suggestions from anybody else currently playing Romani campaign or have before. This one is VH/M.

[Macilrille]

I play a Roman campaign on VH/M as well and am considering starting another on VH/H though it is somewhat unbalancing as I find little challenge as Roman (or Sweboz) and rarely loose a battle.

Thus my advice may not be the best one, for though you are under quite some pressure I advice not to pull back, you are Roman!!! Res Publica Romana always kept fighting till they had won and never gave up anything voluntarily that they had taken. Your 1½ stack moving north is more than adequate to evict those Graeculi Phalangites that has invaded the holy ground of Italy (use one hard stack as main fighting unit the other as reserve to exchange with depleted units in the main stack when they all are depleted and have some experience, merge units), plus defeat one or two more stacks before rebuild (merge experienced units and build new to move up as reserves for new merges instead of moving stack back for rebuild).

All cities you take should get Client State installed, get a proxy there fast and move on to the next oppidum/Poleis.

1. Evict Graeculi while building more units for another halfstack, sack your own besieged cities for Denarii if you cannot afford it otherwise.

2. If there are other Graeculi coming, kill them, if not, move your main killer army north to defeat the Filthy Barbarian field armies and relieve your cities. You may loose some cities, no worries, inflict as much damage as you can. Move the half-stack of reserves up for reinforcements as described above. Meanwhile move your newly built half-stack to N Italy as a garrison and reinforcements.

3. Retake the lost cities in Gaul and take some barbarian Oppida as well to get some Denarii and weaken the filthy barbarians. Loot all newly conquered cities, Res Publica Romana does not tolerate strong and/or persistent enemies, pillage their cities, let your Legionaires enjoy some rapine, pillage and slaughter. This will provide more Denarri for new armies.

4. Turn on the Graeculi again and do them in. If you can, garrison N Italy to drawn in their armies, then move your experienced fully replenished killer stack with some reinforcements over to Hellas and take their core cities. Use loads of spies so you get 100% chance of taking them on first turn. Most of their armies will be on their way to attack you in N Italy so you should be able to take 1-3 with little losses in this way before they turn back on you. At that point the scales have tipped your way money- and army wise and with the armies you build using the money you get from looting Hellas you can defeat field armies then take cities at your leasure. Do this, restore democracy and freedom to the Greeks, free them from Macedonian despotism and let them prosper under Roman supervision and in Pax Romana.


Roma Vitrix!!!


Edited to add, sorry Maion, but the Maks are a threat to him and he should view them as pests to be wiped out if he is to prevail, Res Publica Romana feared no enemy, nor should he.

[Maion Maroneios]

pillage their cities, let your Legionaires enjoy some rapine, pillage and slaughter. This will provide more Denarri for new armies.
You know you're like screaming for me to reply to such posts, don't you? But I won't say anything. Barbaroi are Barbaroi and will always be. Notice the capital letter used for the Romaioi specifically. Plus, learn some proper Hellenic please. I'd like to know which idiot Italos decided to name an entire nation after a single local Hellenic tribe...

Maion

[tls5669]

Exactly the greeks had always been at war, although the romans used a lot of diplomacey to get a hot seat in greece they did it on the sly in my view. Macedonia in my view had been a liberator of the west to east in trade and migration. its sad to see how Alexanders empire crumbled under the romans, nearly every faction that rome dominated was busy with war elsewhere sad really :( would have been nice to see fairer fights i supose they got wat was coming when they marched into parthia, or when varus took his legions into germania.

Or when they messed with Hannibal.

Forget the Macedonians......ALL HAIL CARTHAGE!

[Valion]

Or when they messed with Hannibal.

Forget the Macedonians......ALL HAIL CARTHAGE!

Carthage must BURN!! :beam:

[Darius]

I like the smell of burning Carthage. :beam:

[Jebivjetar]

Be aware, romaioi barbaroi!
Mighty men of Carthage are coming:
And remember their name
As you will scream it later :yes:

[option]

Man, people here get really gay about their 'hail Makedonia/Rome/Carthage/whatever' stuff, huh?

[Jebivjetar]

Man, people here get really gay about their 'hail Makedonia/Rome/Carthage/whatever' stuff, huh?

It's a part of tradition. No hard feelings though :smash:

[Valion]

Man, people here get really gay about their 'hail Makedonia/Rome/Carthage/whatever' stuff, huh?

Carthage is Gay :laugh4:

[Macilrille]

You know you're like screaming for me to reply to such posts, don't you? But I won't say anything. Barbaroi are Barbaroi and will always be. Notice the capital letter used for the Romaioi specifically. Plus, learn some proper Hellenic please. I'd like to know which idiot Italos decided to name an entire nation after a single local Hellenic tribe...

Maion

Nope Maion I am not- notice the apology to you specifically (Sata and Jeb I do not give a toss about, let alone Phalanx), they are the biggest threat against him and it is historical for the rOMANS TO THINK AND BEHAVE LIKE THAT. tHEY WERE NOT REALLY VERY NICE PEOPLE WHEN WAGING WAR.

Oups sorry for capslock, I am exhausted.

[Maion Maroneios]

Nope Maion I am not- notice the apology to you specifically (Sata and Jeb I do not give a toss about, let alone Phalanx), they are the biggest threat against him and it is historical for the rOMANS TO THINK AND BEHAVE LIKE THAT. tHEY WERE NOT REALLY VERY NICE PEOPLE WHEN WAGING WAR.

Oups sorry for capslock, I am exhausted.
OK MY FRIEND BUT I WAS ALSO JOKING, YOU KNOW.

Sorry for the AllCaps as well :clown:

Maion

[Macilrille]

Back on Topic, how is the campaign going?

[Valion]

I suppose his campaign is still in a bad position., might i suggest if all else fails you form a BIG army and a BIG navy load all your legions and FM and go to Africa invade and destroy Carthage and claim Kart-Hadast as your new capital :beam:

[Jebivjetar]

I suppose his campaign is still in a bad position., might i suggest if all else fails you form a BIG army and a BIG navy load all your legions and FM and go to Africa invade and destroy Carthage and claim Kart-Hadast as your new capital :beam:

Why? Did Rome became so stinky that you want to move south? :no:

[Valion]

Because the south is less laggy in the campaign map than the north :beam:

[Jebivjetar]

Oh, so you think that south is chavvy? :clown:

[Mithradates I]

Back on Topic, how is the campaign going?

Things are slower because I am dealing with a CTD issue following battles where multiple smaller groups participate. I can do things to adjust, but the AI - well. BUT;

I have a large group of hoplites out of Syracuse that I am going to land across the Adriatic, I think as you suggested. I am trying to time it so that my major forces strike at the same time. I hope to post an actual update later today.

[Darius]

The EB forums, where e-racism is not only accepted, but where an organization (Romaioktonoi) was formed for the very purpose of spreading e-racism.

[Jebivjetar]

Do not mix apples and pears, we say in my country... :no:

Do you have a diarrhea, Darius? Whatever your answer might be, the thing you just said truly is a shit of the week.

[Macilrille]

Jebivjetar
This message is hidden because Jebivjetar is on your ignore list. :2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

I need not read that spam to know what it says. :wall::thumbsdown::wall:

Mithradates, remember the spies, you must blitz a little to save your campaign and with balance restored, you can RP again. Consider this your 2nd Punic War.

[Mithradates I]

Mithradates, remember the spies, you must blitz a little to save your campaign and with balance restored, you can RP again. Consider this your 2nd Punic War.

I understand. :2thumbsup:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

The EB forums, where e-racism is not only accepted, but where an organization (Romaioktonoi) was formed for the very purpose of spreading e-racism.

Do you really seriously care about Romaioktonoi's posts? :dizzy2: I stopped doing that after a few dozen of these.

Sometimes they are funny, many times just annoying and repetitive, sometimes just offending.

Just ignore the last 2 kind of posts: History had declared Rome as the victorious one, it's enough, i think. :2thumbsup:

[Jebivjetar]

History had declared Rome as the victorious one, it's enough, i think. :2thumbsup:

Don't be naive. If you want to look at things in that way, it is more truly to say that barbarians are the one who are victorious one. After all, they did smashed Rome. Didn't they?

Rome is not the end of History :juggle2:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Sure it isn't, but it's also true that Rome defeated and conquered Greek kingdoms. It's pretty annoying to read "greek uber alles over shitty rome" every day. If Romaioi fans will say "rome uber alles over filthy germans", i have no doubt german people will post the same i did.

[Darius]

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't impossible to say anything positive about Rome without someone spouting off about how they love sacking Rome or how they slaughter Romans or etc. At least Maion only says anything when he wants to point out inaccuracies in other peoples statements.

[Jebivjetar]

O, man: do you seriously believe that when Romaioktonoi says something against the Romans it actually had something to do with Romans living today, with real people? O, man!

You really should stop mixing real and virtual life, a game and presence where you live. I know, today many people think that it is the same: but that is sick! And with that "logic" i'm not surprised when you actually blame us for some "racism" and such... but it is your problem that you can not distinguish some things, like ego and alter-ego, antiromaioi stuff and racism.... like i said: do not mix apples and pears :juggle2:

[Jebivjetar]

Sure it isn't, but it's also true that Rome defeated and conquered Greek kingdoms. It's pretty annoying to read "greek uber alles over shitty rome" every day. If Romaioi fans will say "rome uber alles over filthy germans", i have no doubt german people will post the same i did.

I can repeat: greek uber alles over shitty rome because it is... in my current campaign :whip:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

O, man: do you seriously believe that when Romaioktonoi says something against the Romans it actually had something to do with Romans living today, with real people? O, man!


Do you really seriously care about Romaioktonoi's posts? :dizzy2: I stopped doing that after a few dozen of these.

I said the same. :2thumbsup:



I will sack every makedonian city in every campaign! :whip:

[Jebivjetar]

One do not care, the other is offended. I ask my self who is smarter :dizzy2:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Well, i intended "i don't care" for "i don't get offended by them".

[Darius]

The fact that the Romans haven't been around in several centuries makes it impossible to hate them so how you could possibly think I believed you were actually racist is beyond me, but I'm sure it makes sense to you somehow. All I'm saying is that the e-racism (The e- means electronic, as in video game racism) is getting stupid. It was funny at first, but now it's like a bad joke that won't go away. Chances are you won't fully grasp what I'm saying anyway because of the language barrier you have to struggle through (props for being bi-lingual) so arguing is probably futile. I just can't stand the spam anymore, at least when people post porn links you occasionally get a pic to look at.

[antisocialmunky]

I wouldn't get offended until you find a SPQR Standard burning on your lawn.

[satalexton]

I'll stop yelling anti-Romaioi sentiments, when you decide to swap all your clothes for togas, speak Latin, march to work carrying a scuta, pilae, gladius, etc. Also remember to sacrifice white goats on an alter, actively kill any semitic blooded/culture person you meet(to avenge your brothers and friends for Cannae).

[Vasiliyi]

I wouldn't get offended until you find a SPQR Standard burning on your lawn.

I burst out laughing from this. Clever. I might do this to a friend. :2thumbsup:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Spam spam spam.