Long live Hannibal (dedicated to romaioi-lovers)

[Jebivjetar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGHge4FQ8aM

:beam::beam::beam::smash::smash::yes::yes::yes:

[Jebivjetar]

Let us burn that stinking Rome, my dear Carthaginians
Let us celebrate the death of those puppies of Aeneas
Flower of freedom we must irrigate
With blood of the Romaioi dogs!

Kill them with your spears, swords, with your hearts
At Trazimene
At Ticine
At lake Trasimene
Eat them at Cannae, it will be glorious...
Kill their consules and
Throw their rings into the hell where they belong!

Sack the Rome, and let the pigs live in there, she stinks anyway,
Burn them, burn those thieves, bluffers, those nasty barbarians
Take whatever they have, and throw it into wind of oblivion
And erase their name, their existence,
Gods are ashamed when they live!

Sack, sack
Kill, kill,
Live, live!

[Jebivjetar]

Haiku:

Freedom is born
Sacred band is riding
over the corpses
of dead, stinky Romans.

God, i love the spring.

[johnhughthom]

And erase their name, their existence,


That line alone is pretty ironic. I did enjoy that TV show you linked to though.

[Jebivjetar]

Haiku no2:


Can you smell the light?
Can you smell the justice of the gods?
Can you spell the name of

Cannae?

[Jebivjetar]

That line alone is pretty ironic. I did enjoy that TV show you linked to though.


Let those bastards die
In humiliation and pain!

O, flower of freedom
Likes to grow upon their death!

;*)

[Jebivjetar]

When i see a corpse of a roman-dog after Cannae
I come and i ask him:
O, you stupid fool, why didn't you listen to your conscience?

Because i was a fool
He replied


...

[Jebivjetar]

What will you do when a Roman soldier throws his pllium at you?
You will give it back to him, and stick it in his mouth :beam:

What will you do when a Roman attack you with his sword?
You will simply take his sword from him and stick it in his Roman profile, he will look so cool, and his dogs will consider him looking nicer. All Rome will admire him for such a look. 8-)

What will you do when a Roman come at Cannae?
Nothing especial, just kill him, and everything will be fine.

[Jebivjetar]

I like to boil Roman heads.

[Jebivjetar]

http://www.talismancoins.com/catalog/Hannibal_Statue_Louvre.jpg"]http://www.talismancoins.com/catalog/Hannibal_Statue_Louvre.jpg

Look at his right!
Look at his left!

[johnhughthom]

As fun as this is, I think you are entering the realms of spam my Punicologically challenged friend...

[Jebivjetar]

Like i said
I like to boil their heads and then i feed worms with them.

[johnhughthom]

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Just to get something useful from this thread...

[Jebivjetar]

Dont you spam this nice thread, please! Put some songs, movies, music dedicated to the slaughter of nasty roman dogs and it will be ok. Write a song. Like:

Mummy, can i kill some roman- dogs?
Of course, my child, and then you can have some ice cream...

Or something like that.

Capish?

[johnhughthom]

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/scipio.jpg

Who could that be?

[Jebivjetar]

ERASE HIM! ERASE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:furious3:

YOU ARE SPAMMING MAN! IT ISNT RIGHT!!!!!


:whip:
:smash:
:furious3:

[Jebivjetar]

http://grad-bjelovar.com/images/uploads/image.jpg


Down with those WOLF-SUCKERS!! :furious3:

[johnhughthom]

Well I am going to leave you to your madness my friend.
Don't worry a nice moderator will come along soon and conquer your feeble little thread, expel all the citizens, burn it to the ground and sow salt into it's remains to prevent it's foul reincarnation.













To any clever clever Greeks: I know the sowing of salt thing never actually happened.

[Jebivjetar]

Well, that would not make any difference. We (Romaioktonoi) will still persist and there is nothing that you can do about it :2thumbsup:

We are something that will never die, and cannot die :juggle2:

[Jebivjetar]

I got something to say
I've killed many romans today :beam:

[johnhughthom]

There is only need to hate something so long as it is powerful, if something becomes weak or is destroyed there is no need for hatred. So basically what you are saying is that Roman superiority is perpetual as is your need to hate it.
Yes I know I had said I was going to leave you, but I'm quite drunk.


What's your excuse?

[Jebivjetar]

LOL im drunk too!

And thats an old story about hating romans. I really dont hate them, i just kill them. The Hate is a wrong word for what i feel about them :juggle2:

I just boil them, that's all. I swear :laugh4:

[Jebivjetar]

Composition of raman-army:

Hastati- they die first
Principes- they die next
Triarii- they die together with their barbarian leader



:laugh4:

[Valion]

Well however much you may despise the Romans., fact is that thanks to Cannae and Hannibal, Rome's hatred and Lust for revenge against Carthage actuated his defeat in Zama and Carthage's utter destruction 146 BC. Ironic inst it? How through Hannibal's so called greatest victory ultimately led to the down bringing of his home city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPofJDFBC2o this Might shed some light for your hero Hannibal. Actually thanks to Hannibal Rome became an empire, quite a stupid turn of events in his part.

[Jebivjetar]

Well however much you may despise the Romans., fact is that thanks to Cannae and Hannibal, Rome's hatred and Lust for revenge against Carthage actuated his defeat in Zama and Carthage's utter destruction 146 BC. Ironic inst it? How through Hannibal's so called greatest victory ultimately led to the down bringing of his home city.



Yes, i do agree.

And what should we do about it?

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow man, I remember seeing this video some time ago. The carnage at the end when Hannibas walks the battleground is simply sickening to say the least. And I believe this thread is going to get locked pretty soon...

Maion

[Jebivjetar]

Lolzy :beam:


I swear i will never drink and write here in the future. ;-)

[Maion Maroneios]

"Lolzy". Well, you learn something new every day right? :beam:

Maion

[Jebivjetar]

"Lolzy". Well, you learn something new every day right? :beam:

Maion

And every night, Maion! :2thumbsup:

[Fluvius Camillus]

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/scipio.jpg

Who could that be?

Hahaha lol:laugh4:

Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuWcv-Rp5M

~Fluvius

[Apázlinemjó]

Wow, you check the forums when you're drunk? :P

[Jebivjetar]

LOL im drunk too!

And thats an old story about hating romans. I really dont hate them, i just kill them. The Hate is a wrong word for what i feel about them :juggle2:

I just boil them, that's all. I swear :laugh4:


Wow, you check the forums when you're drunk? :P


Well, no: i'm here every day, no matter if i'm drunk or not. But last night i had a vision so i decided to open this thread in order to make some lame jokes, and i really had some good time laughing. Lol, but this morning i found most of them pretty annoying.

:smash::smash::smash:

[machinor]

This whole Roman-hater-business was already lame, childish and annoying half a year ago. Please cut it out.

[Jebivjetar]

You really do not need to read that kind of writings though.

[lionhard]

If only their was a function during battle to allow troops to slowly crawl back in EB or EB2

[Maion Maroneios]

This whole Roman-hater-business was already lame, childish and annoying half a year ago. Please cut it out.
Half a year ago? We were around at that time? :inquisitive:

Maion

[machinor]

Dunno. That was just a rough estimate... if that's to much, then consider the message to be "it was already lame, childish and annoying before it even started". ~:)

[Maion Maroneios]

Hey, I already cut most of it off. It's not my mistake some guys are a little too "fanatic" about this :clown: Anyway, :focus:

Maion

[johnhughthom]

:focus:


Umm, weren't you technically on-topic there? :laugh4:

[Maion Maroneios]

Nope, this is something about Hannibas not the nature of the Romaioktonoi. Though I think the clock is ticking for this thread, I'm afraid.

And you know what clock I'm talking about :dancinglock:

Maion

[Macilrille]

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

[johnhughthom]

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today. :laugh4:

[johnhughthom]

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

[Maion Maroneios]

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today. :laugh4:
:tongue:

Maion

[Ibrahim]

Its so sad to watch barbarians bashing each other like that:no:

[Cute Wolf]

https://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Cutewolf/Maion_ouw.jpg

Talk about Romaioktonaios bashing each other... check the Romaioktonoi group about this news!!!

[Vasiliyi]

WOW, that video was awesome. Definitely got me pumped to start writing my aar soon.

[Cute Wolf]

Peh, that video is just as usual as hannibaal will do..... usually good except at Zama... (Better kill those anti Barcids now...)

[Macilrille]

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

No I do not mean that. Carrhae was but a trifle compared to what I speak of. Look deeper (by installing EB we agree to read more history) and consider my background as Danish and a Viking Fighting re-enactor doing martial arts with copies of Viking weapons.

Edited to add, though my heart goes out to Iran these days and my FB profile pic has been replaced by "FREE IRAN", I meant real warriors!

[Jebivjetar]

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!


Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

[Maion Maroneios]

Indeed, I have to agree with Jebivjetar here as well. The Carthaginian army, AFAIK and read, was not just composed of a bunch of mercenaries and untrained peasants. I remember a description of the EB team saying only extremely well trainded soldiers could excecute the difficult maneuvers that were untilized by Hannibal in many battles against the Romaioi.

Maion

[Zarax]

Hannibal's army was probably the best fighting force since Alexander's.
Though, flexible and battle-hardened.

[Macilrille]

Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered. That tops Cannae by quite a lot.


Real Warriors, an embellishment praising the northern barbarians of Cimbri Chersonesos that wiped out this enormous Roman army.

I was not talking of Hannibal at all, but joining Dugunz' bandwagon while pointing out that Cannae was a much smaller defeat than Arausio, though usually recognised as the greatest by the general public.

Is that more clear?

[Jebivjetar]

Macilrille, i really can't read your thoughts and the only thing i have here are your words. In that case what you said before and what are you saying now are two different things, so you better keep that in mind when you want to express yourself in the future.

Btw, even now no one cant just say that Carthaginian army wasn't a "real" army, it's a foolish thing to say. And i dont agree with an idea that numerical casualties are the only factor to take in mind when we are talking about "real" armies,great leaders and such things: Hannibal and his army are simply great just because they have done some things we discuss in our time (more than 2000 years later), and they have done it in very, very hard circumstances.

Therefore i had to react on your statement:


BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!




Btw Arausio rules!

:2thumbsup:

EDIT:

200 000 (Cimbri & Teutones) at Arausio vs 120 000 Romans? They really did eat the Romans out there!!

[Zarax]

Arausio was two battles and the worst example of bad roman leadership ever...

[Jebivjetar]

Arausio was two battles and the worst example of bad roman leadership ever...


It was a good leadership: to send that many souls to the afterlife is a great deed for a Roman general.

Yeah, i couldnt resist ...:sweatdrop:

[kuroiya88]

I laugh condescendingly at your disdain for the glorious empire of Rome, the source of all that is good in our modern world. :book: (historical fact)

[Ibrahim]

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered.

If we count byzantines, then Arabs beat that record by 4000 men:clown:

how many of those teutoni and cimbri were in battle?

anyways, what are you doing in this pushing match between romans and greeks? I'll post the rest elsewhere. :clown:

[johnhughthom]

Well, if you want to see a defeat with the Romans outnumbered almost 2:1 as superior to a defeat with the Romans outnumbering the enemy almost 2:1 that's up to you Macilrille.

[Jebivjetar]

I laugh condescendingly at your disdain for the glorious empire of Rome, the source of all that is good in our modern world. :book: (historical fact)

Don't be so naive, please! Rome isn't beginning of history you know... Can you even imagine how many of the goods that we, modern people, admire, have their roots in Greek culture? Romans were influenced by Greeks, Roman culture was mediator of Greek culture, witch is considered as beginning of -what we call- "western culture". Source of many goods in our, Western world is primarily Greek: they influenced Romans as no one else did, and Rome would not be Rome without Greeks.

I will tell you just one name: Socrates: it would took entire book just to make a simple sketch of his enormous (good, if you want) influence on our days. If you are interested, take some books about Greek philosophy and see how can just one idea (idea of soul) change so much in history: but that's a Greek idea!

And i'll stop writing in this post because that is a BIG subject to discuss. On the other hand, as you can see, my english doesn't allow me to say many things :clown:

[Moosemanmoo]

Romans killed my leader at Taras yesterday :shame:
So six madness filled hours later my new leader sacked Rome :laugh4:
You sire are crazy!:smash:

[Jebivjetar]

Romans killed my leader at Taras yesterday :shame:
So six madness filled hours later my new leader sacked Rome :laugh4:



Did Rome burn well? oh... ohhh... i can smell the smoke of fire right now... yesss ... mmmmggghh.... :beam:


:clown:

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, I'm about to attack Rome herself as well in my campaign. I have Megas Demetrios with his grand army, but the dogs don't seem to give up. It's Pyrrhos all over again. After delivering the Romaioi several beatings (including wiping out a whole generation of Romaioi FMs) and destroying what I though would be the last obstacle between Demetrios and the conquest of Megale Hellas, they send me another full-strength legion and the garrison of Rome was full again. Oh well, they're not universally considered arrogant for nothing right?

Maion

[Moosemanmoo]

Rome was massacred in the most civilised manner by my Makedonians as I roleplayed letting my Gallic mercs loose (why get my nice shiny pikes bloody when they've just been cleaned?)

Arretium has a full stack (where the hell were they two turns ago when Rome needed them?)
At least they've ran out of Samnites :smash:

[Jebivjetar]

Rome was massacred


Thant sound like music to my ears... like mantra in my mind... mmmm...

I want you to have this for your good words and brilliant deeds: :balloon2:

:2thumbsup:

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Hannibal was probably the best general in the ancient world, its manoeuvering and enveloping tactic were amazing, and even at Zama, where all the odds were against him, he almost turned the side of the battle with ANOTHER completely innovative tactic.

Publio Cornelio Scipio considered him as a master, and made further innovation to Hannibal's tactic, but in the end Hannibal countered his own tactic!

Isn't this the mark of a GREAT general? Sure it is.

For all the people who say "he was a bad strategos" i say: if he was such a bad strategos, how the hell could he survive so long, almost alone in the heart of Rome's hearthland, turning many and many cities and local tribes by his side? Sure he lost in the end, but only because Carthage was unable tu support him properly, and because Rome's sheer power was simply too much to be defeated by a state who relies mostly on mercenaries for wars.





But it was NOT greek, otherwise i would not like him XD

[Jebivjetar]

Haiku:


Above the Italy
fear is tearing the sky apart
And the fields are burnt and sodden with blood
The dead are screaming in the whisper of the wind


Cannae happen yesterday
...what else should I say...

[johnhughthom]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.:laugh4:

[Moosemanmoo]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.:laugh4:

But I get baloonz look :balloon2: :dizzy2:
Crazy eh?

[Maion Maroneios]

For all the people who say "he was a bad strategos"
I believe nobody with a right mind would call Hannibas a bad Strategos.

Maion

[Jebivjetar]

Jebivjetar (what kinda crazy name is that anyway?), your mad thread makes me chuckle.:laugh4:


Well, jebivjetar in Croatian language is a phrase which you use to describe a shallow person, person who acts like she knows much (but she doesn't know much at all), a person with unsure character etc.

You can translate "jebivjetar" literally as fu_k (jebati) plus wind (vjetar) and you have something like "the person who fu--s the wind"

I use it because is a silly and funny word in my ears.


:clown:


EDIT: and yes, i want people to chuckle on my words, i opened this thread for laughing about my lame-expressions at the first place! :-))

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, jebivjetar in Croatian language is a phrase which you use to describe a shallow person, person who acts like she knows much (but she doesn't know much at all), a person with unsure character etc.

You can translate "jebivjetar" literally as fu_k (jebati) plus wind (vjetar) and you have something like "the person who fu--s the wind"

Same in Russian. Jebati or Yebati is the f-word and veter is wind. Did you know that in 15th to 16th century the word "fuck" merely meant "to beat" such as in the sense "to beat in a competition"? Falcons were called wind-fuckers back then. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Jebivjetar]

But I get baloonz look :balloon2: :dizzy2:
Crazy eh?

You deserve it.
You kill romaioi dogs.

[Jebivjetar]

Same in Russian. Jebati or Yebati is the f-word and veter is wind. Did you know that in 15th to 16th century the word "fuck" merely meant "to beat" such as in the sense "to beat in a competition"? Falcons were called wind-fuckers back then. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

O, sounds interesting! :beam:

But i ain't surprised by similarities since Russian and Croatian languages have much in common, and they belong in the same family AFAIK.

[Aemilius Paulus]

But i ain't surprised by similarities since Russian and Croatian languages have much in common, and they belong in the same family AFAIK.
Yeah, basically, I can understand any written Czech, Serbian, FYROM-ian, Bulgarian, etc. All of them are Slavic, whether in Cyrillic or in Latinitsa.

[Maion Maroneios]

FYROM-ian
A balloon for not being uneducated and calling them by their name: :balloon:

Maion

[Aemilius Paulus]

A balloon for not being uneducated and calling them by their name: :balloon:
Thanks Maion, I understand the hypocrisy of that name, but let us stray way from this. So far, I have seen 6 threads get locked because of FYROM. The locking of this thread would only bring joy to the Romaioi sobaki, or kynai

[Maion Maroneios]

Indeed. I was just surprised, that's all. Especially from someone that lives as far away from Greece and the Balkans in general as well, since such people tend to just swallow everything Hollywood or History Channel feeds them.

Maion

[Moosemanmoo]

Thanks Maion, I understand the hypocrisy of that name, but let us stray way from this. So far, I have seen 6 threads get locked because of FYROM. The locking of this thread would only bring joy to the Romaioi sobaki, or kynai

Yeah I made one of them about 2 years ago, the FYROM wasn't even the topic
I thought it was great that it had so many replies but when I saw what they read :no:

[Aemilius Paulus]

Guys. Stop it. Now. Really.

Orrrr, the Romani-loving side of me shall gloat as this thread crashes and burns! :evil::devilish:

[ARCHIPPOS]

"So many thousands of Romans were lying … Some, whom their wounds, pinched by the morning cold, had roused, as they were rising up, covered with blood, from the midst of the heaps of slain, were overpowered by the enemy. Some were found with their heads plunged into the earth, which they had excavated; having thus, as it appeared, made pits for themselves, and having suffocated themselves." Livy

Still you've got to admire Romans... Hannibal destroyed their legions,pushed through in Italy and carried the war in their homeland... the Carthageneans had wealth,naval superiority, elephants, and some great troops... all the Romans had was a hardened ,disciplined ,militaristic, demographicaly booming society addicted to violence and obsessed with duty and honour, that produced tough footsoldiers and the meanest,most antagonistic bastards of generals and officers... just proves what agreat factor moral is in wars ...

[Mikhail Mengsk]

I'm sorry you're wrong:

- the Carthies DIDN'T have ANY naval superiority, otherwise they would have sent Hannibal more reinforcements

- they had wealth, but its worthless if you can't use them to help your best general. In fact, part of the karthadastim senate didn't support the war at all

- elephants, yes, but they lost almost all before cannae. Hannibal himself didn't trust very much in them

- hannibal's troops were mostly worse equipped than Romans' legionaries. At cannae, he recovered many Roman armors and weapons and re-equipped his troops with them. Hannibal's veterans were some of the best individual warriors of that time, but the Roman legions were much more trained. It was Hannibal who made the difference. Another general would have been defeated shortly after his arrive in central Italy.

- Romans were addicted to VICTORY. The fact of being beaten so bad by a seeming unstoppable daemon shocked them, but thanks to their leaders they didn't surrender. THey resisted, and finally they prevail, thanks to the only Roman general who truly understood Hannibal's tactics: Publio Cornelio Scipio.

They won a war that ANY OTHER COUNTRY at the time would have lost. To keep fighting even when your Legions are being massacred every time they meet the enemy in battle is something that many people simply couldn't understand. That's why Roma won, even before its greater manpower.

[ARCHIPPOS]

yes ,i meant in general the Carthageneans had all those advantages... though Hannibal himself was pretty much left on his own in Italy... it's true the Romans had their fair share of great defeats throughout their history... still each time they chewed up disasters and produced victory... all i'm saying is that what gave them this edge was their societal tendencies... in the end every fight is a contest of wills and the Romans were the most "willed" bastards around...

Fun info... i've read that the battle of Cannae was the single bloodiest day in military history up until Hiroshima ... gives us sth to think abt...

[Teleklos Archelaou]

No explanations needed. Way too many different problems going on in this thread.