"Splintered Cells" mini-mafia [Concluded]

[Iskander 3.1]

First, pardon the pun.:beam:

Here's the scoop: I've come down with a cold, and you guys get to help eliminate the virus-infected cells! I don't know if there's a term for this type of mafia, but the format is as follows:

There will be two teams, infected cells (mafia) and healthy cells (town). The game starts with one infected and 6 healthy cells.

Here's how it will flow:
Night 1: The infected cell will choose one healthy cell to infect. This cell will be told that they are infected, but not by whom. Please don't PM directly to the cell you are infecting, or it will greatly upset the balance of the game and I may have to punish you under the IoI (Ire of Iskander).

Day 1: The town will vote for whom they suspect is infected, and the cell with the most votes will by engulfed by a phagocyte.

Night 2: The cell that got infected from the previous night now chooses a healthy cell to infect. This works just like night 1. So, each infected cell only gets to spread the infection once.

Day 2: Just like day 1.

If the newly-infected cell gets lynched the following day, the chain is broken and there can be no further infection. In that case, the mafia can only win by convincing the other cells to not vote for them.

Some advice: Be wary of pointing a FoS, because you might end up being their teammate in a round or two!

Publicly revealing your role is not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever and will result in IoI (this fills the one loophole I found in the game).

I have run a few sample rounds on paper, and I think (hope) that it's balanced. But this is still experimental for me! Please join only if you plan on having fun, no matter which side wins!

One last thing: There are 5 excellent mafia games going on right now. Please be considerate of other hosts and only sign up if you're able to keep up with your other games, too. I don't want to steal participation from other games.:smash:

Sign-up *closed*
CDF
AVSM
AtPG
atheotes
Beskar
TheFlax
Taka

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

IN :2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

[Iskander 3.1]

By the way, there won't be a joker in this game :clown:

p.s. CDF, every time I see your name the only thing I can think of is C. diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._diff) Yummy.

[A Very Super Market]

Hurrah, we will defend our robotic friends once more!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am infected.

In the mind.

[atheotes]

i am in.

[Beskar]

Sure, count me in.

Also, Iskander, I would like to know the mechanics, etc of the game after and any issues. It seems to work similar to my parasite same game, in a sense.

[Iskander 3.1]

Sure, we can compare notes.

[TheFlax]

TheFlax is in.

[taka]

ah, biology. in

[Iskander 3.1]

Sign-ups are now closed, I'll be sending out PMs over the next day or so. As you all know from my last game, weekends are crazy for me. I wanted to get sign-ups done by Friday, and the initial night phase will hopefully start tomorrow. No matter when it begins, the first night phase will end on Monday at 5:30 p.m. PST (I think that's 1:30 a.m. Tuesday GMT).

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

By the way, there won't be a joker in this game :clown:

p.s. CDF, every time I see your name the only thing I can think of is C. diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._diff) Yummy.

thanks Iskander, I am happy to know you think of diarrhea whenever you see me :shame:

[Iskander 3.1]

Not only that, but hand sanitizer can't stop you, and you're only spread by the oral-fecal route:smile:. Unfortunately I'll have to save that for a bacterial-themed game, this one is about virii.

[taka]

Iskander, you need to take a dose of Pleconaril so that you can save all 6 of us healthy cells :laugh4:

[Iskander 3.1]

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2995/normalnose.jpg

It was a beautiful Saturday morning, and I wasn't thinking of all the beer glasses I was sharing and kisses I had been stealing on Friday night (or the trouble I would be in when the girlfriend finds out). But unbeknownst to me, a little Rhinovirus had also taken part in the previous night's celebration and found its way into my nose.

https://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8080/blackrhino.jpg

Infected Cells
1

Healthy Cells
6

Begin Night 1
Since it takes a few days for the rhinovirus to spread (and since weekends can be hectic for me), night 1 will end on Monday at 5:30 PM (aka 1730) PST.

[Iskander 3.1]

Iskander, you need to take a dose of Pleconaril so that you can save all 6 of us healthy cells :laugh4:

I thought that the FDA rejected Pleconaril?
On the other hand, the IoI works perfectly on virii that cheat. This hasn't been approved by the FDA either, but I'm not afraid to use it. :beam:

[Iskander 3.1]

One last thing: in the first post, I said no role revealing, which still stands, but obviously you can say "i'm healthy please don't lynch" or some version of that.

[Iskander 3.1]

End night 1

Iskander woke up sniffling. He was definitely coming down with a cold.

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2593/rna.jpg

The infection must have been spreading. Time for his leukocytes to spring into action! Question was, which cells to destroy?

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3192/nosepencilsharpener.jpg

Begin Day 1
Voting will conclude at 5:30 pm PST (slightly under 24 hours from now)

Infected: 2
Healthy: 5

[A Very Super Market]

Ack! They'rrrrrrrrrrrre growing in numberrrrrrs....


Vote: Beskar

Forrrrrrrr calling me a girrrrrrrrrl

[Beskar]

https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8387/sharingicecream.jpg

This picture is my evidence, TheFlax and AVSM look too chummy and there are two mafia. I suspect it is them two.

Vote: AVSM

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

huh I have no Idea, I am going to just wait and vote whoever is lurking.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: CDF

Because he has the word "culture" right in his freakin' name. :clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

oohhhhhhh, you are good my friend! Your skills of observation are amazing! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting... no OMGUS vote.

:2thumbsup:

[TheFlax]

Vote: ATPG

Just for the aggro I'll get because of this. :clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah, I am getting over the whole OMGUS votes, working through my vindictive streak! :clown: its progress!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I haven't.

unvote, vote: TheFlax

[taka]

vote: atheotes

he's not had a vote yet right?

edit: bolded

[atheotes]

huh I have no Idea, I am going to just wait and vote whoever is lurking.

that is unlike you :inquisitive:

Vote: CDF

[A Very Super Market]

Therrrrre is also "Drrrrrrrizz" in his name. A drrrrrrrrrizzle might have caused the cold in the firrrrrrst place.

[Beskar]

CDF, every time I see your name the only thing I can think of is C. diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._diff) Yummy.

Also, Iskander might have done this on purpose, accidently revealed who he might suspect of being a mafia. Like Jolt from the .org sequel.

[taka]

why do i get the feeling that AVSM was the first infected cell?...............................

[A Very Super Market]

Because you'rrrrrrrre parrrrrranoid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm curious as to why you're doing that.

"rrrrrrrrr".

Are you deliberately trying to attract attention and get yourself voted? :inquisitive:

[A Very Super Market]

We'rrrrrrrrre nasal cells, arrrrrrren't we?

[Beskar]

Why do nasal cells go "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" ?

[TheFlax]

Why do nasal cells go "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" ?

Why not? :inquisitive:

[Beskar]

Because they don't make a noise? AVSM is probably communicating to his mafia buddy trying to hint at rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for:
https://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8080/blackrhino.jpg

[A Very Super Market]

It's the closest to sounding nasal I can type.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Taka

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

huh, no lurkers. Vote: atheotes screw progress. My case is simple, atheotes is trying to deflect attention away from himself on to me. Which is not a case at all..... never mind.....

[atheotes]

huh, no lurkers. Vote: atheotes screw progress. My case is simple, atheotes is trying to deflect attention away from himself on to me. Which is not a case at all..... never mind.....

retaliation is it? :inquisitive:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

pretty much.....:sweatdrop: plus I don't have anyone else to vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: CDF

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

huh, interesting. well, I just want to say if I was actually Infected I would not have changed my story so easily, I would have picked a side and stuck to it, perhaps just waited until the last minute to cast my vote. I just don't have the time right now to argue my innocence, so that is about it....

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Taka

Active on forum, not on thread.

[atheotes]

vote: atheotes

he's not had a vote yet right?

edit: bolded

you reason for voting me was i had not voted till then? :inquisitive:

[Iskander 3.1]

Tally so far:
atheotes: 2 (CDF, Taka)
Beskar: 1 (AVSM)
Taka: 1 (AtPG)
CDF: 1 (atheotes)
AVSM: 1 (Beskar)
AtPG: 1 (The Flax)

I think I kept track of all of Pizza's revotes. Two hours 15 minutes to go!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Atheotes, vote for Taka.

[atheotes]

Atheotes, vote for Taka.

any reason other than to have a chance of saving myself ? :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It could tie it up and there don't appear to be any penalties for doing so. Taka is lurking. Why would he be avoiding the discussion so much in a minigame?

[atheotes]

It could tie it up and there don't appear to be any penalties for doing so. Taka is lurking. Why would he be avoiding the discussion so much in a minigame?

though i am not sure what discussion we are having....self preservation wins :laugh4:

unvote, vote:taka

[Iskander 3.1]

Tie-breakers depend on my mood, thank you very much :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone break the tie!

[Beskar]

Unvote; Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

For acting suspicious and scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please describe why I am scummy, oh most innocent of innocent ones. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

Well, I could be blatantly obvious and just say you never actually sound innocent anytime.

However, you was quick to want to defend Atheotos. You might have infected him last night and not want him to die. Thus, you both who you eachother are.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Uh... from what I understand, the game doesn't work that way. The infected one does not know who infected them.

So thanks for clearing yourself of suspicion. Mind voting for Taka?

[Beskar]

No, but the infector knows who he infected, right?

You infected Atheotes, so you know he is now the next infecter, if he dies, it would spell the end for the Mafia as they are unable to infect again. So by defending Atheotos like that, you could be subtly saying "Hey Pal, I know its you, lets make sure you stay alive".

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, if I unvoted, voted: atheotes

That would utterly disprove that theory?

[Beskar]

Pretty much, yes. Unless you wanted to cut your losses in hopes of winning single-handedly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am going to vote for Taka next round, then I am going to vote for Beskar the round after that, followed by TheFlax.

If I deviate from this pattern, you must lynch me because that means I am the infected cell.

[TheFlax]

What did I do again? Vote for you? Pfff... get a grip. :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you guys infect me it will be the worst mistake you ever made.

[Beskar]

ROFL!

"Hey guys, I am not infected, but don't worry, if did get infected, I will let you know to kill me, so don't worry!"

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

"Hey guys, I'm not infected!"

7 minutes to go.

[Beskar]

You are pulling out your WIFOM now and spraying everyone with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yep.

3 minutes.

Hey it's not so bad. Once you're all infected I'll be the only loser.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: atheotes

BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! You're right I was the infected cell!!! How did you know???

[Iskander 3.1]

Voting closed, write-up commencing.

[Iskander 3.1]

Day 1 Concluded

The cells raised their vesicles to show their votes. Ask the Pizza Guy had to waste a lot of ATP in constantly changing his vote. Finally, it was decided that they were going to do away with atheotes.

Along comes Mr. White Blood Cell!

https://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9232/killzell.jpg

Impressive, huh? Actual scanning electron microscope image.

The other cells snickered and made immature jokes about watching phagocytosis.

Infected
2

Healthy
4

Phagocytosis-ized
atheotes

Begin Night 2! Those of you with night orders, you know who you are, please submit by 17:30 PST tomorrow (23 hours 55 minutes).

[Askthepizzaguy]

This nose is going to be so full of mucus soon.... mwahahaha

[Beskar]

Well, I think AskthePizzaGuy is obvious lynch target number 1 then.

[TheFlax]

:yes:

Why do you think I voted for him all along day 1? I knew he was up to something nefarious, just look at his avatar!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Soon you will all be dead.... ALL BE DEAD!!! MWAHAHAHAA

[TheFlax]

You first.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NO U!

[TheFlax]

:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It doesn't matter now... you'll never find the cell I'm going to infect next! MWAHAHAHAA

[atheotes]

unvote, vote: atheotes

BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! You're right I was the infected cell!!! How did you know???

you deceived me :thumbsdown: and i shall have my revenge... i am going to vote for you every single game :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I assure you, over in the "infected" camp, we are having a good laugh.

[Beskar]

oh yeah, Pizza Guy. Iskander is going to WOG you.

Publicly revealing your role is not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever and will result in IoI.

:bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fortunately for me, I haven't broken that rule. :mellow:

I made a claim. Mine was more explicit than yours, but you purport to be an uninfected cell. I purport to be an infected one. I've revealed nothing.

[A Very Super Market]

Doesn't he win next turn? Hardly fair, to depend on the first round lynch.

[Beskar]

it would make it 3v3 in theory, if the infection is successful, but as far as I am aware they have to infect a non-infected but they don't know who it is. Pizzaguy could have infected yourself, CDF or even TheFlax as far as I know.

Admittedly, I will bang my head against the wall if I get infected as the Mafia do seem really overpowered.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you lynch the newest infected cell, the infection cannot spread.

[Beskar]

Problem is, who is the newest infected? I hope there is a pro-town role or a protector some where.

[Iskander 3.1]

Reminder: Victory requirements for this game require that either all infected cells are lynched for a town victory, and all surviving cells are infected for a mafia victory. Not knowing who infected you helps keep the mafia power in check. Remember that a lot of this is for testing purposes, just like with my last game (minus the surprise role).

Also, Pizza didn't reveal, he made a claim.

[A Very Super Market]

Perhaps it isn't even the first infected cell who gets to choose, but Iskander himself!

[Beskar]

I think AVSM is onto something.

Vote: Iskander 3.1

p.s. Pizza's reveal thing was a joke.

[taka]

gwarrr! im a neutrophil!

vote: iskander

[Iskander 3.1]

Oh crap, my own cells are revolting against me. Ah well, night is over. Write-up in a moment.

[Iskander 3.1]

Night 2

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6578/nosegel.jpg

Iskander awoke, feeling about the same as before.

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9067/hrvgenomeschematicnc001.jpg

Begin Day 2 You have until 17:30 PST tomorrow. Due to scheduling changes in my life, I will only be able to log in once per day from now on. I therefore won't be able to answer any questions you may have between now and then. If you all want me to extend this phase to Friday, I will do so with a unanimous vote.

Infected
2

Healthy
4

Eaten by Whitey
atheotes

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now here comes the fun part.

As Beskar suggested, I was not being truthful about being infected. And you have no reason to believe me. Sorry atheotes, but I knew I wasn't infected and I had to attempt to stay alive, because a known healthy is better than an unknown cell. By declaring myself infected, it was the only option I had to confuse the infected cells.

Besides, like I said, if I were to become infected that would be a very bad thing for the infected cells. :whip:

And now my reputation will come back and bite me in the buttocks, and we'll kill a healthy cell if you don't believe me.

:shame:

That's my story. Sorry for being dishonest, but as I learned in TWC's medieval mafia, being a dishonest townie is a useful tactic that can actually help. In that game I claimed to be a mason and I really wasn't. As a result, we formed a pro-town network and we nailed a mafioso.

[Beskar]

Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

He announced he was actually the infected cell, so time to save Iskander. Now he is trying to stay alive because he probably got caught out as the person he infected either didn't send in their orders or they infected him again which... Iskander, what happens when that happens?

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's very strange. You just said 5 posts ago that my reveal was a joke. You didn't get infected during the night because there are still only 2 cells infected.

Care to explain?

[Beskar]

Explaining implies that I am in the know, unfortunately, I don't so there is nothing to explain. I haven't got a clue why there are no new infections.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here, allow me...

from the rules, it seems to say that the infected cells do not know who infected them. That means, they could attempt to infect a cell that is already infected, and it results in nothing. Their lack of communication between one another is their weakness. They don't know who to infect next. That is why I attempted to suggest I was already infected, because although the infected cell from last round would know I was lying, they might assume I was the person that infected them to begin with.

I believe this deception is the reason why they accidentally chose the person who infected them to begin with as their infection target. That would explain why there are no additional infected cells.

If I were the infected cell from last round, I would have accepted that risk as a possibility and not "revealed" at all. I'm not stupid, you have to give me more credit than that.

[Beskar]

But as you said, they might have saw your reveal as a joke not to get infected but they called you on it and did infect you. I haven't got a clue what is going through the minds of the infected.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But as you said, they might have saw your reveal as a joke not to get infected but they called you on it and did infect you. I haven't got a clue what is going through the minds of the infected.

HUH???

You're not paying attention. There are no new infected cells, Beskar.

Come on, I'm giving you the Benefit of the Doubt regarding your alignment, but if town doesn't pay attention we're gonna lose.

[Beskar]

Fine then, who is the Infected? We had a reveal from you (my comment about your reveal being a joke was actually the comments where I said for Iskander to WOG you to make you sweat).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Looking over your behavior, I'm looking at this post:


I think AVSM is onto something.

Vote: Iskander 3.1

p.s. Pizza's reveal thing was a joke.

This is after I mentioned to you I was joking. So you felt obliged to tell everyone?

You were warning the cell you infected that I was still uninfected. You are the original infected cell.

Vote: Beskar

[Beskar]

Pizza, you just revealed to everyone you are indeed the Mafia. I will direct everyone to post '62.


I am going to vote for Taka next round, then I am going to vote for Beskar the round after that, followed by TheFlax.

If I deviate from this pattern, you must lynch me because that means I am the infected cell.

Anyway, my comment was obviously in relation to -
oh yeah, Pizza Guy. Iskander is going to WOG you.

Publicly revealing your role is not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever and will result in IoI.

:bounce:

[TheFlax]

What happened to "If I don't vote in the order I gave, I'm infected"?

:inquisitive:

Is this a sign we should lynch you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

TheFlax is your infected partner.

That's why he's on the offense with such a weak case.

THERE ARE NO NEW INFECTED CELLS, people.

It's no small wonder he voted for me last round.

[Beskar]

Pizzaguy is sweating himself, he must have got re-infected or something from the previous round, hence the sudden change in attitude and how he desperately changed his post to Atheotes in the previous round in order for him to stay alive.

You got caught red handed, Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: AVSM

AVSM is still uninfected. That's probably why Beskar voted for him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy is sweating himself, he must have got re-infected or something from the previous round, hence the sudden change in attitude and how he desperately changed his post to Atheotes in the previous round in order for him to stay alive.

You got caught red handed, Pizza.

Are you even thinking a round ahead?

If I get lynched, the amount of infected cells remains the same.

You're the one who sounds nervous.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Operating on the assumption Beskar was attempting to telegraph to his partner (indicating he was the original infection) that I was joking about being infected, then we know we have to lynch him eventually. Of greater importance is lynching his partner, who must have targeted Beskar last night (or no one, I suppose) instead of the healthy cells.

So far, I see TheFlax butting in but not voting for me. Wary of looking like a bandwagoner, Flax? Or are you actually retaining an open mind?

The cell we need to kill is not Beskar, and it is not me, and it is not AVSM, because Beskar voted for him. My biggest suspect at the moment is TheFlax, because he's been against me from the beginning, and now I'm accusing his partner, which he must be aware of by now, if he picked Beskar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: TheFlax

Let's find out who Beskar's partner is.

I am interested to see who else bandwagons me this round without thinking. Some townies will, but the other infected cell obviously will.

[A Very Super Market]

This makes no sense. Why would they not infect someone? Atheotes was not infected at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See post 98, AVSM.

Beskar voted for you last round, so you're obviously not his partner. Unless he was really slick.

Even if Beskar manages to get me lynched this round, when the number of infected cells remains the same, he's gonna look really bad. That should also help narrow down who his partner is.

[Beskar]

Words of a desperate man, AsktheInfectedGuy.

You say I told the infected person that you are apparently joking but you also say that they infected me. How do that even make sense? If I told them, they would know I was infected and not pick but.

My comment was in obvious reply to Iskander who said that the rules meant role pasting, not claiming, saying I was joking for grounds of WOG.

So lets go through the facts:
- ATIG said "If I change my pattern, I am infected" he changed his pattern
- Did he a voting U-turn when I suspected him to get Atheotes lyched instead of him.
- He claimed he was the infected.
- Now the votes say there isn't another infected, he starts crying he is not infected and it was all jokes.
- When I accuse him of playing up, he tries to form a bandwagon on me.
- Because some one else is not buying his bull, he is accusing of them too.


In short -
Ask the Infected Guy is playing desperate as Mafia to stay alive or he will lose.

[TheFlax]

I don't believe you have been infected, just nothing your inconsistency. But if you have it all figured out, then don't let me stop you. I'll know from now on that such claims are BS, not that I didn't expect as much. Also your case against Beskar is not much of a case, its your standard "everyone who doesn't agree with me is mafia". :laugh4:

Anyways, I'm not going to vote for either of you, I want to hear other people. :yes:

[Beskar]

Also, your claim about voting for AVSM was an obvious joke vote where I say him and TheFlax are the mafia. If TheFlax is my partner, why would I accuse him of being a mafia by your logic, even in a joke vote post?

None of what you are claiming make sense and contain more holes than Iskander 3.1's boxer shorts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Words of a desperate man, AsktheInfectedGuy.

Everything you've said and all your behavior to date suggests desperation.


You say I told the infected person that you are apparently joking but you also say that they infected me. How do that even make sense? If I told them, they would know I was infected and not pick but.

Don't play innocent with me. They attempted to infect you. Attempted. Not the same thing.


My comment was in obvious reply to Iskander who said that the rules meant role pasting, not claiming, saying I was joking for grounds of WOG.

No, it was an obvious telegraph of something I revealed to you, that I was joking. You were sending a warning to your partner, who didn't listen.


So lets go through the facts:
- ATIG said "If I change my pattern, I am infected" he changed his pattern

Here is where you lose automatically.

THERE ARE NO NEW INFECTED CELLS.



- Did he a voting U-turn when I suspected him to get Atheotes lyched instead of him.

Yeah. Any townie would attempt to stay alive. What else would you have me do? NOT check Atheotes for possible infection?

Utterly ridiculous.


- He claimed he was the infected.

People claim lots of things in mafia games. Right Beskar?


- Now the votes say there isn't another infected, he starts crying he is not infected and it was all jokes.

I revealed that to you BEFORE the night phase even began.


- When I accuse him of playing up, he tries to form a bandwagon on me.

Aww.... poor Beskar. Doesn't feel so good, does it?


- Because some one else is not buying his bull, he is accusing of them too.

You're darned right. I'm less interested in defending myself and more interested in solving the case.


In short -
Ask the Infected Guy is playing desperate as Mafia to stay alive or he will lose.

:laugh4:


Lynch away and eat these words, Beskar. It's not over.

[Beskar]

More desperate words, Ask the Infected Guy, but I have one better.

https://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8973/asktheinfectedguy.jpg

Quit listening to the desperate Mafia fighting for survival and put an end to the infection.

Yes, you can use this in the write-up Iskander. :bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're not even at all interested in hearing what I have to say. A townie would retain a more open mind, perhaps, and debate me rather than make silly pictures.

There are holes in your accusation of me, holes that you should already be aware of because I've reminded you of them several times. You're not listening, you're only accusing. At least I treat your accusations with seriousness.

You're obviously not a townie or you would be debating me properly.

[Beskar]

You're not even at all interested in hearing what I have to say. A townie would retain a more open mind, perhaps, and debate me rather than make silly pictures.

There are holes in your accusation of me, holes that you should already be aware of because I've reminded you of them several times. You're not listening, you're only accusing. At least I treat your accusations with seriousness.

You're obviously not a townie or you would be debating me properly.

You want to know what is funny?

YLC said the same thing in the Futrama Mafia when I showed him to be the Mafia, and guess what? He was the Mafia.

:bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You want to know what is funny?

YLC said the same thing in the Futrama Mafia when I showed him to be the Mafia, and guess what? He was the Mafia.

:bounce:

That's not a rebuttal. You'll address the fact that you accused me of being infected again when there were no new infections.

[Beskar]

Yet, you address this by saying I was re-infected because I accused you of being re-infected. Basically in your desperation, you are taking the reverse of my own argument.

You changed your pattern, presumingly, because by being re-infected, you got the ability to re-infect again thus you can't risk playing carefree as you were doing earlier with your pattern as you got a real chance of losing.

[Beskar]

You're obviously not a townie or you would be debating me properly.


Also as a final act, I will tell everyone what you once told me:

Ask the Pizza Guy says:
The more you talk to him, the more you fall into the trap
they want to debate with you
it makes them look sympathetic
it makes you look like a bully
even though youre not
it confuses people.
it makes people bored and apathetic
it makes people give up
Don't take the bait. Don't argue anymore!



You now keep asking me to debate with you, this is because I caught you out. You are snookered, Ask the Infected Guy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yet, you address this by saying I was re-infected because I accused you of being re-infected. Basically in your desperation, you are taking the reverse of my own argument

There are no new infections, Beskar. The reason is because either the infected cells were inactive (I was not) or they attempted to infect someone who was already infected.

You're attempting to use semantics to weasel out of this. Not a good idea with me.


You changed your pattern, presumingly, because by being re-infected, you got the ability to re-infect again

?

Are you making this stuff up as you go along? That's not in the rules.


Thus you can't risk playing carefree as you were doing earlier with your pattern as you got a real chance of losing.

I'll be lynched this round anyway, and your theory will be disproved. You're too busy accusing me to listen to what I have to say.

You very obviously telegraphed to your partner what was going on, it's in the thread.

But no matter. Since you won't take the debate seriously and your arguments are swiss cheese and you won't listen I'll direct my attention to more productive things.

[TheFlax]

So ATPG, you vote for me and then don't even reply to me? Instead you go full on against Beskar, say he's guilty and don't vote for him.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were acting scummy, but this actually fits your style. If you truly believe I've got to go, I don't think I can't change your mind, but my feeling is, as usual you're looking for a reaction. Beskar did react in fact, but he's aggressive by nature in these games and both cases laid out prove little. (Well, it proves you're inconsistent, but that's not exactly new. :clown:) So what now? Still expecting something from me, some sort of clumsy reaction to protect a supposed mafia partner? Sorry to disappoint, I don't know anything except what I read here, apparently that's also your case.

Btw, I'm reading all your posts, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I simply don't find anything compelling, especially since you say one thing and do another, like voting for me.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

uhh forgot it was the day phase....

alright, reading it through, I almost believe AtPG..... but this is AtPG we are talking about here.... so I am going to Vote: abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

:shrug:

@TheFlax
I had a theory about Beskar, and I am probably wrong. I've all but given up. I don't care.

I've already acted scummy, albeit on purpose and for the reason of confusion, so I don't have a lot of credibility. You can vote for who you want.

:shame:

I've dropped my case on Beskar because he explained himself to my satisfaction and I have zero credibility to start another one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

oh, and unvote: TheFlax

Because I've done enough damage. Anyone else have a theory?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

you mean other than the theory you are in fact a space cat sent to earth to devour human souls? nope thats about it..... :laugh4::laugh4: (sorry have wanted to say something to this effect for a long time, and it is 12:30 in the morning here, cut me some slack..... running on empty.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

CDF
AVSM
AtPG
Beskar
TheFlax
Taka


We really need to pick one. I admit my efforts so far have been clumsy, but an apathetic bunch of healthy cells is even worse. I could accept the idea that everyone voted for me after some less than brilliant play, but even that hasn't happened.

Sorry, Taka but you need to contribute more to the thread.

Vote: Taka

I may decide to change my vote for self-preservation purposes later on. Woo big surprise. However I really have nothing to defend myself with except the vote.

[Beskar]

You ever read the description of "Pulling a Spartan?"

Claiming to be a mafioso in a misguided attempt to confuse the mafia which actually ends up confusing the villagers instead.

All you done is just make me confused, and all I know is, that I had a very strong feeling you was a mafia and now its just "blehwooowwwzeerrr rur ror raggy"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, in fact I mentioned to you in an instant message that I had pulled a Spartan.

The tactic doesn't work when the mafia know each other, as is the case in most games. I mentioned that as well.

In this case one of the mafia are unaware of who their partner is, so the tactic has some merit. I needed to save my skin last round, and the best I could do was something that looked very scummy. Something, might I add, I've done in other games as a townie to save my own butt. Which is to vote for someone else at the last minute. I just did this in your Lift Escape game.

Now, since there was little chance I could convince anyone that was an innocent maneuver (even though logically it doesn't indicate anything one way or another, other than the fact you want to live) I also remembered the mafia don't know who their partners were, and in an attempt to confuse them, I deliberately pulled a Spartan.

You managed to talk yourself out of being totally scummy to me, by explaining why you told everyone I was joking and that it meant something else. So, I am now attempting to pick up the pieces of a failed strategy and move on.

At least I am doing that instead of lurking and not voting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me put it like this:

Imagine you just killed a townie with your vote. Imagine also, you've confused the other townies. Now, the trifecta would be not participating anymore in a positive manner at all.

I didn't want to be a complete and utter waste this game, so I'm attempting to brush off my failures and move on rather than continue to be a liability. It's kind of hard to rally the troops after two big failures, but I'm trying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So since I caused this mess to begin with, allow me to do some un-confusing.

Taka

Last Activity: Today 11:31


Look, all I am saying is that Taka isn't voting or contributing to the discussion. This smacks of laying low to avoid the lynch, or voting at the last moment.

AVSM

Active: right now.

No vote, no discussion.

And finally:

Cultured Drizzt Fan

Active this phase.

Voted abstain.

Abstain?

By a very slim majority do the uninfected cells outvote the infected ones. Our only chance at stopping them is by voting. Abstaining looks like you're not going to vote or you're saving your vote for until it becomes too late. Too late for us to stop you, or too late for us to bandwagon onto your candidate. In either case, it's not the greatest move.

I sense that those infected cells are just waiting on the sidelines to bandwagon me at the last minute, or whoever else has a vote on them. But they can't do that if town takes decisive action and votes for a candidate. Pick someone.

You want me to pick? I pick Taka. He should have responded by now. I already called him out for lurking, and he said nothing. Otherwise, you pick and I'll follow.

That's all from me. I've talked enough for one minigame.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I really haven't been paying as close attention as I should to this game, and when I vote abstain it was really late..... cut me some slack. (plus I am not sure I can trust you..... especially after how well you are playing the town in hitman gambit)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah yeah yeah, keep mafia games separate.

I don't want to debate with you about another game on this thread. Keep it in its own thread.

Look, you don't HAVE to trust me. Pick a candidate, any candidate; state your reasons. Vote. You don't need to follow my lead, but you do have to do something. Otherwise we just surrender to the infection.

[TheFlax]

Trust no one.

I'll pick another one. Vote:AVSM

With this especially long day phase, there are no reasons to be silent. Well, no time reasons at least.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

alright, I was just saying :shrug:

I will go figure out who to vote for then......

[Askthepizzaguy]

Works for me, I guess.

unvote Taka
vote: AVSM

[TheFlax]

My idea was to keep a vote on each of the silent ones until they come forward and vote. :shrug:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Vote: taka

has he posted at all?

[A Very Super Market]

Gah, trying to finish a write-up for my own mafia game, and packing for Vegas. No time. Stop it, pwetty pwease?

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Taka

My reason not to leap on Cultured Drizzt Fan for going for the obvious lurker is because he didn't seem to do so immediately. I think he was actually considering his options, which is a subtle hint he may be healthy.

Taka is my preferred candidate anyway.

Besides, AVSM said pretty pwease. No self-respecting mafioso would win a game that way.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I reread the thread, after day one I don't see a single post by Taka..... AVSM has stuff going on, which I get. So Taka is my best suspect, which does not mean much, but whatever.....

[Beskar]

How can you vote for a harmless little girl?
https://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/S7evenZero/AVerySuperMarket.jpg

What did AVSM ever do to you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Didn't you vote for AVSM last round?

[Beskar]

Joke vote and that was a Joke post.

I thought the "joke" part was obvious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy- just woke up not too long ago
Pizzaguy- hasn't eaten breakfast
Pizzaguy- not ready for sense of humor yet. :clown:

[taka]

i do apologise for the lack of activity the last few days :bow:

i'm moving places so ive been a bit busy; ive only been able to have a quick check on whats happening. i will deffinately try to be more involved by tomorrow

vote: abstain

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ahhhh, alright then

Unvote: taka, Vote: ..... (give me some more time.... :sweatdrop:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: taka
vote: AVSM

Better cross your fingers. This isn't looking good.

[taka]

whats the case on avsm?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I dont I think it may be because he hasn't posted much.

I still get pulled back to page four when Beksar and AtPG got in to such a huge argument.... could it be that they are both the infected cells, and by posting the way they did they managed to establish each other as the infected cells and to some distance between each other.... but I may just be paranoid....

I feel like at least one of them is an infected..... not sure who though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BAH.

unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

If you had suspicions about Beskar for REAL you would have voted for him by now. And I'm innocent, though incredibly bad at this particular game.

Now you die.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am sorry if I find it hard to act on my wild paranoia.... I don't know which of you is infected, but you did just make my guess easier.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy, You voted for me when I simply said a wild theory I have, could it be because I am close to the mark?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm already being voted by Beskar. Pissing off an undecided isn't in my best interest if I were infected.

Your hesitation leads me to believe you're an infected cell trying to fly under the radar.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wait, Beskar kept his vote on you?..... must have missed that.....:sweatdrop:
Unvote: AskthePizzeGuy, Vote: Beskar
very single minded Beskar, why?

[Beskar]

I have to admit Pizzaguy, even working on an assumption that you are innocent, you aren't really pulling yourself any favours at all. You are acting really sporaticately and you started attacking me as I voted for you. It is like another game where some one voted for you, and you started to attack them.

However, CDF is operating as the same now. He is changing his vote constantly, it is like an undecided bandwagon, trying not to appear to be actually bandwagoning, but he is trying to vote on the most popular to vote for on the moment. Trying to shift his vote from person to person constantly.

If you know me, I rarely change vote, until I am convinced it is in my interest to vote for some one else. Like in the game where I knew YLC was guilty, I voted for him and kept it up. However, if your argument is that I don't change vote, you are currently appearing really scummy at the moment Cultured Drizzt Fan, I would suggest you drop the charge against me, otherwise I might have to re-think that I completely believe Pizza Guy was just acting crazy and go for the next scummiest target.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am not going to lie. I have hardly been paying attention to this game. There is 5 people in this game that I don't know are infected (myself and Atheotes are obviously innocent, at least to me).
Taka has been gone for a while, so it is likely that he is not guilty
AVSM, well he hasn't talked enough for me to judge him.
The flax seems innocent to me

that leaves Beskar and ATPG, and the way both of you are talking It just makes me suspicious. I think you are both the infected cells, I wont lie.

[Beskar]

Let's look at the statistics in voting this round -

AVSM / taka - Abstain/No Vote/No Activity. Only posted to defend accusations despite other activity elsewhere and the fact they replied just to that seems very susipicious.

TheFlax - Caution voting, settled on one of the lurkers. Most likely innocent.

Beskar - Suspected AskthePizzaGuy last round because of his behaviour, and voted him again as Pizza's behaviour intensified and pulled a couple of stunts. Attack has calmed down, now only taking a reflective view of the thread, to see if any other people are suspicious, especially the looking for the 2nd infected. Possibility of being infected on the grounds of being a good player, otherwise innocent as no reason to believe otherwise.

AskthePizzaGuy - Initial back-lash vote against Beskar when Beskar voted against him, settled down and removed vote, apparently concluded that he is satisfied of Beskar's innocence and admits that his behaviour could have led Beskar to vote for him. Now proceeded to have at least voted for everyone in this game in this one round. Concerns on where his final vote will be, suspected survival vote switch at end, like what occurred in initial round.

Cultured Drizzt Fan - Bandwagon voter of the moment, seems to come across as a player who only wants to vote on a bandwagon and chooses the best possible option to bandwagon. He targeted the most active users in the thread for this, hoping to get a bandwagon against either of them, possibly for his own survival. Appears really scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't have an option I have to pick someone. Townies need to make up their mind.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I always seem to appear scummy..... :laugh4::laugh4: I am just horrible at these games it would appear.

[Beskar]

I come to the decision.

I originally thought AsktheInfectedGuy was the original infector and his behaviour reflected that behaviour. However, I will concede to the possibility that he is just playing the town, really really badly. I can rationale that his vote for me, and his other behaviour are indeed protective behaviour which can be seen as scummy, but otherwise, can be seen as just simply a desperate town as a possibility.

However, there are in fact, two Mafia, and if my original conclusion was correct of PizzaGuy being the original, it would be some one else is the higher and deadlier target in the game, the one with the ability to infect this night phase. Seeing this possiblity, I was aware of the surroundings and those that participanted in the game. While AVSM and taka, I will admit, I was unimpressed by their inactivity, which could make them very good candidates, I have to also view the behaviours of TheFlax and Cultured Drizzt Fan. TheFlax comments seem cautioned against both mine and AskthePizzaGuy, however, he came to the conclusion that if one of us in the infected, then there is an infectee on the lose and the highest chance is that they would hide with the lurkers, thus he decided to vote for AVSM. I can see his rationale and I can understand his vote.

However, again, what worries me is the style and voting of Cultured Drizzt Fan. Opposed to TheFlax's style which is cautioned, CDF seems far more "on edge", he seems far more defensive and rather than trying to figure out who the infected is, he has taken to the policy of "I will vote for the easiest people, just to get through the round", especially as me and thepizzaguy look like easy and safe targets for an infected to hide in a bandwagon behind, and since he lacks any real rationale behind his actions other than getting through the round on the easiest bandwagon, I have concluded that I will take the chance from PizzaGuy and vote for Cultured Drizzt Fan for his extremely scummy behaviour.


So the tl;dr version, Cultured Drizzt Fan is a scummy infected trying to hide behind an easy vote and should be lynched.

Unvote: AskthePizzaGuy, Vote:Cultured Drizzt Fan

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Have I tired to get a bandwagon going???? when did I do that? I said what I believed and voted by it

[Beskar]

You are going for an easy lynch, you are there being all safe and secure "I know what to do to stay alive, I will FOS both Pizza and Beskar because they are active, get one of them lynched then I can go on to winning the next round and the game as the Mafia. This is as easy as pie."

However, in your actions, you alerted my scumdar big time, over your posts, due to this being the reason you are voting for either of us. I might have thought Pizza was actually scummy, he might be a desperate townie accusing me because I accused him sort of thing, but what is your reason? "Look at that easy lynch, I will go for one of them".

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Taka, I love it when you spy on the thread and not say anything.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

how would you both be an easy lynch? you two are the hardest lynches, because you two will argue your cases.
If I was infected I would be trying to play the two of you against each other.....

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you guys are unhappy with your choices you could kill Taka instead.

I like to thwomp intentional lurking w/real-life excuse (no sign up then... :2thumbsup:)

[Beskar]

how would you both be an easy lynch? you two are the hardest lynches, because you two will argue your cases.
If I was infected I would be trying to play the two of you against each other.....
You did try to do that though, you was proclaiming that one of us out of the two are scummy and you are changing your vote between us which means either me or PizzaGuy only have to vote for each other to have one of us lynched with a majority vote, if anything, it is against your interests for us not to vote for eachother.

You only changed your vote to me, because PizzaGuy called you out on it and you was hoping to get away with it, by placing the vote on me, inciting PizzaGuy to follow suit to get me out of the game opposed to yourself.

[Beskar]

Also, for example, as Pizza says, taka keeps checking this topic constantly, keep catching him viewing it. Is he your partner, CDF?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, would you be willing to vote for Taka?

[Beskar]

I am always willing to lynch some one I suspect of being Mafia, however, I also do dislike changing my vote often, makes me appear indecisive :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How DARE YOU?????

:clown:



:laugh4:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Yeah, would you be willing to vote for Taka?

yes I am willing to vote Taka, considering I don't have a partner as I am not infected :laugh4:


never mind, you were asking Beskar. Point still stands.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

you want me to trust you and just vote Taka :inquisitive:

you know what.... whatever.....

Unvote: Beskar, Vote: taka

I still say the two of you are the infected....

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote CDF, vote: Taka

And pray we got one of them after a huge, long, rambling cluster of something that rhymes with duck.

[Iskander 3.1]

Voting will conclude in 20 minutes. Any votes after that time will not be counted. The results will be posted in a couple of hours. Thank you for your patience

[Iskander 3.1]

While Iskander was patching up some holes in his shorts, his cells were busy bickering over who was stuffed with bad RNA. It was finally agreed that Taka had to be done away with.

https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9759/mouthneck.gif

Iskander went to bed, not feeling much better.

Infected
2

Healthy
3

Swallowed
Taka
atheotes

Too big to put up here, but you should all check this out, from my favorite comic strip (Bloom County)
http://www.berkeleybreathed.com/Images/fav_strip7_full.jpg

Begin Night 3. This will again end at 17:30 PST on Friday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a frowny face. :embarassed:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

....... and now my theory gains more credence.... :thumbsdown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think anyone's theory gained more credence.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah you are probably right.... :shame: although the chances of one of you or beskar being infected just went up.

[TheFlax]

And the odds of you being infected did not?

[Beskar]

No, because he already was.

This is why I was hesitant to change vote, Pizza and CDF were too easy to do that in order to stay alive. It it them definitely, especially as they wanted to put it on some one else without suspicion themselves, such as taka.

[taka]

¬.¬ finally i finish moving to my new place and i get lynched! grrr..... i'm gonna initiate apoptosis on ATPG!

[Askthepizzaguy]

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!


If you were so busy you shouldn't have kept popping in and not saying anything! That's scumtastic. Bad townie. Bad.

[A Very Super Market]

Vote: ATPG

I figure that probability will help us out now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, yes yes... its a death sentence for Iskander, but why the heck not.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

We deserve to lose this one anyway. Half the people were inactive, and the others were divided. Better become the boy in the plastic bubble, Iskander.

[TheFlax]

What? ATPG? Why?!

Its not like he voted for you in the end, I believe that would be me.

For my part, maybe its because I know ATPG, but the biggest infected vibe I'm getting is from CDF. I'm pretty sure he was already infected though, but I guess that's better than nothing.

Vote: CDF

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not a fan of quitting, but things aren't looking good, and I'm not looking forward to another round of defending myself. That's going to be nothing but a big distraction for the infected cells to hide in.

I'm not even sure how it's possible to win with 3 infected cells and 2 uninfected... even if you get it right, that's 2 and 2... and long shot on getting it right. Then another successful infection and you've got 2 versus 1... impossible to win that round but even if you did, it's 1 versus 1 with a "duh" easy conversion that round.

2 infected cells remaining BEST case. We needed to get the correct cell last round, and all you players who didn't vote... didn't care.


Edit: just checked my mafia math, and it's wrong. 2 and 2 becomes 3 versus 1, not 2 versus 1. Super.

[A Very Super Market]

I'm thinking that not even the original infective cell knows who is who, so as to give us a chance at all.

Unvote, Vote: CDF

[Iskander 3.1]

End Night 3 (Since it was a night phase, your votes will not count towards anything!)

https://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7748/7thereproductivecycleof.jpg

Iskander was sneezing and wheezing like crazy. This was no fun at all!

https://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4058/epithwithrhino.jpg

Infected
3

Healthy
2

Gone
Taka
atheotes

Begin Day 3. You have until 17:30 PST on SUNDAY to vote

[Askthepizzaguy]

CDF
AVSM
AtPG
Beskar
TheFlax

3 infected... 2 who are not.

On the plus side, I can fire pretty much randomly and I'll probably hit one of them.

And, even if I fail, I'll get infected and I'll still win. Woo hoo!

Vote: CDF

[A Very Super Market]

You're basically inviting yourself to be left out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh? Maybe I don't want to be part of your group, infectee.

unvote, vote: AVSM

[A Very Super Market]

Hmm, you aren't a lymph node.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well, AtPG is right about one thing, anyone I open fire on is probably infected, like me!

Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do hope you enjoy your revenge for the little stunt I pulled on you in Hitman. :laugh4:

[TheFlax]

Oops, for some reason I thought it was day phase. :dizzy2:

Same reasons, same vote.

Vote: CDF

[A Very Super Market]

A-hah, A bandwagon. What happened to the suspicion on me? I'm huwt.

[Beskar]

AVSM is a cute girl in pigtails, he would never get infected.

The infecter would have obviously went for AsktheInfectedGuy or Cultered Drizzt Fan last night, if they were innocent in the first place.

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

Scummy vibes and I didn't believe they were innocent in the first place.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well it's foolish for me not to.

unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

[Beskar]

We need to kill off that infected C.Diff. Most likely innocents are me, then either AVSM or TheFlax.

AsktheInfectedGuy and Cultured Drizzt fan however are definitely infected, that whole taka stunt explains it all. These two need to be killed.

[Iskander 3.1]

It didn't take much discussion for the cells to vote for Cultured Drizzt Fan. The white blood cells were rather busy, so they decided to force him to undergo apoptosis, which is like hari kari for cells.

https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3351/mcb119apoptosis.jpg

(I know the pics are of a WBC, but deal with it :beam:)

Infected
3

Healthy
1

Begin Night 4. You have until 17:30 PST Monday

Uh-oh, this doesn't look too good for my nose!

Deceased
Taka
atheotes
Cultured Drizzt Fan

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well my plan did not work......

I should stop posting when its late at night, its messing with my reasoning skills :shame:

[TheFlax]

Askthepizzaguy is the sole remaining non infected cell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is correct.

Believe it or not, I wasn't infected all this time. :embarassed:

[Beskar]

That is because I was the virus who infected TheFlax and AVSM. TheFlax tried to infect me on night 1, but since I am a virus and not a cell, he just gave me a power-up.

I accidental let slip if you tried infecting an infect/virus then the other one infects that night, that is why I used it in my argument against you. Hence the change in your routine.

However, that "statement" you thought I was telling TheFlax that you wasn't really infected was a misunderstanding, it was me telling Iskander that me saying you revealed was a joke, after all, both me and Iskander knew who the real virus was. The comments directed to TheFlax hinting I was the one who infected him were not seen/understood by him.

Also - Total Mafia Victory

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, you mean when I originally accused you and TheFlax of being partners in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2277039&postcount=105), I was 100% correct?

And town lost because they didn't listen to me and bandwagon you?



I guess I didn't suck at this game after all. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

He only realised after he tried to infect me that I was the main one. Bad TheFlax.

[TheFlax]

Yeah, I utterly failed in this game. :embarassed:

With no Beefy around to sustain me, I went to an all-time low.

[Beskar]

Were there any pro-town roles in this game? Other than your screw-up, it was otherwise pretty unchallenged.

I think next time you try this format, day 1 is 1 infection versus town, then the game would balance out far more.

[TheFlax]

Oh and congrats to ATPG for pointing the fingers at the right people, even if that proved fruitless.

[Iskander 3.1]

https://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7748/7thereproductivecycleof.jpg

Achooo!!!!
Iskander sneezed so hard his nose fell off

https://img198.imageshack.us/img198/486/1psphynx.jpg

(Bet you thought I was going to have a pic of Michael Jackson, didn't you!)

The virii lept forth from the infected cells, looking for new hosts to infect.

Game over. Mafia victory

Infected
4

Healthy
None

Dead and gone
Atheotes
Taka
CDF

Musings and Ponderings to follow.

[Beskar]

Was there any Pro-town roles?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting game, for sure! I would definitely tweak it to give the town more of a chance... first day should have one infected cell, not 2.

[Iskander 3.1]

Well, another mafia victory, although the majority of you got to share in it. When I came up with the idea for this I ran several tests on paper with various roles and I decided that the handicap I placed upon the mafia (that the infectee doesn't know the infector) already made the town powerful enough, and a pro-town role would just be too easy.
The idea was for infected cells to try to drop hints for other infected cells, without actually revealing who they were. I knew that eventually the infected would out-number the healthy, and if I told them who their teammates were it would lead a very quick easy victory, but if I left them in the dark then it could lead to infected voting for other infected, just like townies voting for other townies in a "normal" mafia game.

The other dilemma in this game was what to do if an infected tried to infect another infected (did I say that correctly?). This happened during night 2, when TheFlax turned around and tried to infect Beskar. It was a tossup between having him wait another night, having him infect someone else right away that night, or letting Beskar infect again the next night. I chose the last option, which slowed down the mafia but also let TheFlax know who was on his team. I didn't think this would be a problem because I really thought either Beskar or Flax was going to be lynched the next day, but when Taka got voted instead, I realized that the mafia were on their way to victory.

Beskar was the original infected cell, and I gave him 2 special abilities (which he never used):
1. Once per game, he could inspect one other player.
2. Once per game, he could ask me to randomly reveal another player.


I really don't think this game was unfairly balanced, you just all voted for the wrong people!:beam:

[Iskander 3.1]

Interesting game, for sure! I would definitely tweak it to give the town more of a chance... first day should have one infected cell, not 2.

The problem with that is that if Beskar was lynched day one, the game would be over before it even started.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The problem with that is that if Beskar was lynched day one, the game would be over before it even started.

This is true, but such is the case in mini-mafia games. That is why when I host mini mafia games, if there are 2 mafia they don't know each other. It's already a huge advantage to be basically a third of the population, when in typical mafia games the mafia are a fifth (or less) of the population. After the first (wrong) lynch, in this game they could be half of the population. At that point, all the infected people could have just gone "AHEM cough cough" and forced a draw on the votes, and infected another person that night.

From where I sit, the town had exactly one chance to stop them, and that was on the first day. Now, given Flax's error, we had two chances, but still... not enough for a sporting chance when half of the mafia does know each other due to infecting one another.

Also, you have to figure because cults can spread, they are exponentially superior to standard mafia. It may have worked out on paper a few times, but people are intelligent, and those in the know will dominate those not in the know.

I'd be willing to wager that this setup would end in a mafia victory 3 out of 4 times or better.

[Iskander 3.1]

All good points Pizza, thanks for the input. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to play this, as these games are helping me tweak "Rainy Day Mafia" (which is what I'm calling my upcoming small game).

As of this time, I no longer will be able to participate in mafia games as a player. With job changes and a baby due in under a month, my internet time is roughly once a day (instead of 9 hours straight, as it used to be).

I will, however, continue to host. And Pizza, you brought up a very good point about being willing to risk having a game end in round 1. It would be pretty selfish of me to give the mafia an advantage just so I could enjoy hosting the game longer.

My next mafia will be based on Star Trek VI. I'm putting more work into that than I did in the past two, but the set-up will be more traditional and if it does end early, I can always re-start it with different players (growing up, I liked that movie so much that I would often watch it twice in a row!).

[Askthepizzaguy]

:bow:

Additional thoughts, if they are helpful:

Balancing games is an interesting challenge. Best case scenario, town can annihilate the mafia, if they get really lucky, due to greatly outnumbering them. However, town is rarely that lucky.

When I rate the difficulty of a game I'm designing, I check to see how many mistakes the town can make before they automatically lose.

In a game like.... Godfather III, there were 3 mafioso. But there were also a lot of townies. You could make 5 or 6 mistakes and not have it really affect the game. And, one lucky shot could reduce the ability of the mafia to kill more than once a night, giving the town additional chances. A game like that is difficult for the mafia to win.

In a standard mini game (6 town, 1 mafia, night kill) that means 1 mistake, 2 townies dead. (nightkill). That reduces the game to 4 townies, 1 mafia. 2 mistakes mean another townie dead day phase, another dead night phase. That brings it down to 2 townies, 1 mafia. 3 mistakes mean the town loses. Of course, that means the mafia has to play a perfect game to win, that's difficult.

In a more difficult mini game (5 town, 2 mafia, no night kill) That means 1 mistake, 1 townie dead... 4 town, 2 mafia. Another mistake, and another townie dead.... 3 town, 2 mafia. At this point the mafia nearly takes up half the town, and all 3 townies must choose correctly, and no divisions among their ranks... the final round is very hard. So it's easier for the mafia to win.

A very difficult mini game (5 town, 2 mafia, 1 night kill) means 1 mistake, 2 townies dead... 3 town, 2 mafia. This means unless town gets it totally right and all townies unite against the mafia on the second round, the mafia wins. It's very difficult for the town to win, because even if they get it right one round, it is not over, and the mafia still can murder. It basically works out to allowing one serious mistake by the town, on round one no less.

Now, take away the ability of the mafia to kill, but give them a conversion and make them a cult, and it works out to 2 mafia, 5 town. One mistake, and it is 3 mafia, 3 town. That's game over, assuming the cult converts properly and votes intelligently.

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After that, you look at best case scenarios. In the best of the best cases, the town kills a mafia every day phase. Usually it shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 correct guesses for the town to triumph. It is the fact that they are divided and suspicious of one another that makes it difficult for them to guess correctly.

What makes the game difficulty difficult to predict is the existence of protown roles like a detective who may be useful, or may never find the mafia, and die early. Or, two or more anti-town groups in competition with one another. So long as 3 or more groups exist, it is possible for the town to triumph in almost any situation... even if they are greatly outnumbered. See Treehouse of Horror for the town getting crushed by mafia, until the mafia obliterated one another, leaving the fate of the game in the hands of one townie.

Things such as total or partial invulnerability greatly affect the balance of power. For example, in the Council of Villains game, not only did the Bowser character have total invulnerability (itself an insane trump card), but there ended up being at least two protector roles. The protector roles could, in theory, defend one another. And that's exactly what happened. Eventually there were at least 3 totally indestructible people in any given night phase. There was an amazing amount of mafia or anti-town in that game but... the town was given considerable advantages.

In my opinion, the most powerful townie is the defender/immune/invulnerable role, and the most powerful mafia is the cultist. Any of these things upset the balance of power in a huge way. The investigator is also a powerful role, but more difficult to predict in terms of usefulness.

[taka]

woo, thanks for the interesting game Iskander :bow: