al Roumi
07-03-2009, 10:43
You may have noticed how government type affects some of the the unit types you can recruit. This was active pre v1.3 for Horse/infantry/republican Guard units but has been extended in v1.3 to include some of the new and DLC units.
E.g. having built the "palais Bourbon" as a Spanish monarchy I could recruit the Walloon Guards (DLC) but after a switch to Republic, my prized guards had disappeared from my army! I was also unable to recruit them again in Madrid (Palais Bourbon was fine and still standing). Instead, as a republic I could recruit "Conscripts" and (i assume that once i tech up that far) "Republican Guard". I'm not sure if I'll still be able to recruit the other DLC elite units -Guardias de Corp or Guardias de Infanteria, which are recruited through the Army Barracks ladder.
While i applaud the idea and detail of goverment-type dependant troops, I can't help but feel a niggle of annoyance if, having paid for the DLC units, i can only use them for half the game. What's also not clear to me is why some DLC and special/elite units are recruitable from Govt buildings and others from Military ones.
1. Firstly, it would make sense to me that those whose recruitability is dependant on Government type (e.g. Royal household units, republican guard) should be recruitable through the government building ladder -not the Army barracks ladder.
2. What would IMO also be better, in game terms, would be to have a greater range of alternative/equivalent elite units for each govt type e.g. Life Guards/Republican Guards, and that these should (as above) be recuritable in the same way as each other, e.g at the highest level Govt building, or be co-dependant on Govt and Army barrack type buildings. At the moment a Republican army lacks some of the individuality of a Monarchic one.
My niggle of annoyance is nonetheless tempered by the concept of re-enacting the events subsequent to the French revolution and the establishment of the 1st Republic, where pretty much the whole of Europe (barring the Ottoman Empire) descended on France and forced it to fight-off numerous invasion attempts, which would have re-instated a Monarch. Conscripts are a decent enough approximation to the citizen armies raised and the high "different govt type" relation penalty may help the tide of war on the way (i did have to engage in a couple of turns of gifts and bribery to get relations back to friendly -even with Monarchic France). But that scenario has yet to ever unfold for me and I've neevr seen Conscripts as more than a unit too expensive to use as garrison troops and too weak to face off against line inf in enemy armies.
Perhaps my experience would have been been different had i not had the income or territorial and millitary stability, in which case i wouldn't have been able to continue relying on more expensive units than conscripts (i.e. line inf).
Have any of you guys been drawn into wars due to revolutions etc? Anyone come near to re-inventing the Marseillese? Any thoughts on my proposition regarding recruitment of units?
E.g. having built the "palais Bourbon" as a Spanish monarchy I could recruit the Walloon Guards (DLC) but after a switch to Republic, my prized guards had disappeared from my army! I was also unable to recruit them again in Madrid (Palais Bourbon was fine and still standing). Instead, as a republic I could recruit "Conscripts" and (i assume that once i tech up that far) "Republican Guard". I'm not sure if I'll still be able to recruit the other DLC elite units -Guardias de Corp or Guardias de Infanteria, which are recruited through the Army Barracks ladder.
While i applaud the idea and detail of goverment-type dependant troops, I can't help but feel a niggle of annoyance if, having paid for the DLC units, i can only use them for half the game. What's also not clear to me is why some DLC and special/elite units are recruitable from Govt buildings and others from Military ones.
1. Firstly, it would make sense to me that those whose recruitability is dependant on Government type (e.g. Royal household units, republican guard) should be recruitable through the government building ladder -not the Army barracks ladder.
2. What would IMO also be better, in game terms, would be to have a greater range of alternative/equivalent elite units for each govt type e.g. Life Guards/Republican Guards, and that these should (as above) be recuritable in the same way as each other, e.g at the highest level Govt building, or be co-dependant on Govt and Army barrack type buildings. At the moment a Republican army lacks some of the individuality of a Monarchic one.
My niggle of annoyance is nonetheless tempered by the concept of re-enacting the events subsequent to the French revolution and the establishment of the 1st Republic, where pretty much the whole of Europe (barring the Ottoman Empire) descended on France and forced it to fight-off numerous invasion attempts, which would have re-instated a Monarch. Conscripts are a decent enough approximation to the citizen armies raised and the high "different govt type" relation penalty may help the tide of war on the way (i did have to engage in a couple of turns of gifts and bribery to get relations back to friendly -even with Monarchic France). But that scenario has yet to ever unfold for me and I've neevr seen Conscripts as more than a unit too expensive to use as garrison troops and too weak to face off against line inf in enemy armies.
Perhaps my experience would have been been different had i not had the income or territorial and millitary stability, in which case i wouldn't have been able to continue relying on more expensive units than conscripts (i.e. line inf).
Have any of you guys been drawn into wars due to revolutions etc? Anyone come near to re-inventing the Marseillese? Any thoughts on my proposition regarding recruitment of units?