The Portuguese: Is their offer any good?

[Scipio Valorus]

Hello all. Is the offer of the portuguese worth accepting? Does guns from them imply conversion to Christianity? Can you still use Warrior Monks? How bad do the revolts get if you do convert?

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[theforce]

Hmmm well there are some good things and bad things man. First the negative ones:
1. There might be some rebelious actions from some provinces and yes they will be monks.
2.Be sure that you have allready have a monk temple before becoming a Christian.
3.It will cost you some money to build churches.
Poss:
1.Your samurai fight better against warrior monks.
2. Guns can give you a good edge making the enemy attack you all the time sicne his archers will be out tooooo soon.
3. Christian Emmisaries are very useful.
4.They one true god will be on yer side. :P


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Oh; apart from the revolts (which sometimes would make you mad because they happen on the side of the map you're not currently using http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif ) accepting Portueguese trade is good.

Also I still would have warrior monks remaining after I convert.

But usually I follow a different system:-
I build a monks horde http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif and then accept the Dutch offer. With a dutch alliance you can get muskets without any hassle unlike with the portueguese.



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[Tenchimuyo]

Yep, I prefer the Dutch better.

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[Shiro]

Ach! By the time the Dutch come I've already got 3/4 of the map. Forget Christianity it causes way too much trouble. Nice for a challenge, but not good for just playing.

[Nelson]

If you decide to pitch in with the Jesuits be sure to first put 2 or 3 shinobi in every provice that isn't already well garrisoned because otherwise some people will find your decision to be positively revolting.

A massive Republican style tax cut will help placate the masses too! This may constipate your cash flow for a while but hey, at least you'll have guns. Then build 6 churches followed by a cathedral so you can sell indulgences for fun and profit AND buy fancy new muskets.

This all takes time but it's a fun diversion after racing through Japan more easily when Buddha's compassion goes with you.

[Shuko]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scipio Valorus:
[B]Hello all. Is the offer of the portuguese worth accepting? Does guns from them imply conversion to Christianity? Can you still use Warrior Monks? How bad do the revolts get if you do convert?


By the time the Portuguese offer comes I have already won or am close to winning most of the games. Would always prefer to wait for the Dutch if it is a long hard game and I have had setbacks. Getting musks with good armour, superior weapons and honour gives you a unit with tremendous attacking power.

As someone else said, if you get the cathedrals built via the Portuguese offer you get lots of gold flowing in but it takes a while. To 'accept' means you will have more variety in your games.


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[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

Turning Christian slows you down quite a bit because of your Buddhist population(revolts) and the need to build churches (you could be spending your koku elsewhere). By the time you tech up to muskets (need a cathedrall and to build a cathedrall you need 6 churches)the dutch have arrived. I do not find that ennemy warrior monks become less effective against your troops when a christian, in any case i did not see any difference.

But

You should try it just for fun experience sake, and some of the cut scenes of your priests getting murdered (or not) are quite well done.

KumaRatta (Emissary of the Ratta clan)

[Karhu]

Why would you trust an offer from the Portuguese, when they hang the Spanish flag on their trading posts? At least the Dutch don't pretend to be from somewhere they're not.

[Dark Phoenix]

Well if you are planning on turning christian do not build any monk temples. If you do you will be classed as buddhist. If you do not you will be an aethiest. If you are an aethiest they will not revolt but you will still have to look after provinces that you take over who are buddhist.



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[Vanya]

The Protuguese offer is good if your lands are poor (ie, Shimazu) since you can then buy super-cheap arquebusiers and use them to decimate superior armies.

The revolt thing will always lurk, but after you get a couple of churches built, your population starts to 'convert', and once your province is past the 50% mark of christians to buddhists, the hard times are over (at least in that province). And churches convert neigboring provinces as well.

But, you can still accept the Dutch offer later... just keep a port open for a Dutch post, as you cannot have both in a single province.

As for holy men, a good mounted pig-sticker is better than a monk in SP... mostly since the AI tends to use lots of archers and few yari...

[Yoko Kono]

coverting to christianity eary is a must on expert as shimazu
An earlt march to the rebel island and the annihillation of imaga from your lands gives u only 3 borders to defend
This can be acheived by 1535 by attacking wisley
then spend the next 7 years getting ready for the traders, build ports and lots of em and put shinobi in all your lands, 2 in each if poss
when the guns get here set taxes to low build a churches and churn out priests they are cheap and quickly convert lands, the rebel isle also trains vet guns, and each trading post gives additional 200 port koku bonus so stick em all over your domain
once your lands are all christians send all your priests into enemy land and watch them peasants revolt
its poss to have cathdral and guns as early as 1549 on expert with shimazu
getting musks early gives the huge advantage when defeating the horde (altho charging instead of teching up means u ARE the horde, its a fine line it is)

[Scipio Valorus]

Quote Originally posted by Vanya:


As for holy men, a good mounted pig-sticker is better than a monk in SP... mostly since the AI tends to use lots of archers and few yari...

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What do you mean by mounted pig-sticker? Do you get better cavalry when you convert?

[Vanya]

Sorry, I meant Yari Cav... Yari Cav = mounted pig-sticker... LOL

When playing Takeda, you soon realize the sheer advantage those YC and CA you start with are. I have taken/held provinces based on the actions of my starting cav alone -- even when the rest of the army fled like whipped dogs! A good YC will destroy the archer legions the AI typically sends against you. But monks will take lots of losses to arrows...

Thus I find it wiser to go for the cav instead of the monks, especially if you anticipate converting...




[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 06-06-2001).]