Epilektoi Hoplitai

[Azathoth]

Why do Epilektoi Hoplitai have scorpions on their shields?

This. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB8HudfbaTE)

[burnout6]

THE POWER OF ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously though soldiers painted what they wanted to on there they just cant do that and its not all the thing to make them look diferent i have a problem more with spartans having an athenian A

[antisocialmunky]

THE POWER OF ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously though soldiers painted what they wanted to on there they just cant do that and its not all the thing to make them look diferent i have a problem more with spartans having an athenian A

*facepalm*

Its Lambda as in Lakedaimon...

Only Spartans get to use it...

Or those that kill Spartans...

http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/halflife2.jpg
But they don't really appreaciate that sort of thing...

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/Keith16/MCheifKiller.jpg

[Prussian to the Iron]

wow....that.....that was thoroughly screwed the **** up.

anyway yah, the Lambda is the spartan symbol, for lakedaimon, the region in which sparta lies in.

[Phalanx300]

Apartantly they are supposed to be the Athenian Elite Hoplites, or the bodyguard ones are.

And I'd say the Spartan symbol is rather the Dokana, really was important to the Spartans before the Lambda came in.

[Maion Maroneios]

Apartantly they are supposed to be the Athenian Elite Hoplites, or the bodyguard ones are.
Nope, they simply represent an elite hoplite group of noblemen. Be that Athenian, Corinthian, or any other polis. Elite bands of extremely well equiped and trained hoplites formed by the nobility.

Maion

[Phalanx300]

Nope, they simply represent an elite hoplite group of noblemen. Be that Athenian, Corinthian, or any other polis. Elite bands of extremely well equiped and trained hoplites formed by the nobility.

Maion

... I ment their skins ofcourse.

[abou]

Not sure offhand as I would need to go looking through the internal forum, but I believe Keravnos used the scorpion on the shield based on an Athenian coin.

[Maion Maroneios]

Cool anyways. I guess there would be some archaeological evidence supporting the choise of shield emblem. It's the EB team, after all :2thumbsup:

Maion

[Prussian to the Iron]

ive noticed they like to use a set of shield types for each diferent culture:

in epirus, makedon, and greece, i have seen the sscorpion shield in several different units. as well as other designs(cant think off the top of my head)

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I've only seen the scorpion on the Merc Karian Warband besides the Epilektoi.

[Ludens]

Cool anyways. I guess there would be some archaeological evidence supporting the choise of shield emblem. It's the EB team, after all :2thumbsup:

Hans van Wees also mentions the scorpion as a motif in "Greek Warfare". I haven't got it with me though, so I cannot check his source.

Anyway, in most Greek poleis (Sparta being the notable exception) the motif on the shield was left to individual preference. The motifs generally had a religious background or represented attributes that the bearer valued: a bull for aggression, an anchor (like the Seleucid faction symbol) for steadfastness, a scorpion for deadliness, and so on. Alkibiades combined both: his motif for the Sicilian expedition was an Eros wielding thunderbolts (not an usual motif, apparently). Van Wees also mentions a shield design featuring a life-sized image a fly, playing on the notion that the fly is the bravest of all animals, because no matter how often it is swatted away by a human several times its size, it will always come back.

[Phalanx300]

The scorpion was used by many peoples, before the Lambda the Spartans used it as well as a Mora emblem. :2thumbsup:

[Maion Maroneios]

Indeed. I remember reading that when I browsed the forum section of Hegemonia City States at TWC. Heck, I think their Homioi skin even had that emblem on their shields.

Maion

[Phalanx300]

Quite possibly, and Hegemonia lives again! :idea2:

And here are the "true" Spartan emblems! :sweatdrop:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=3218

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=1228

[Maion Maroneios]

Yes! Cool pictures, BTW :yes:

Maion

[antisocialmunky]

Very nice. My favorite one has always been that creepy smiling face.

[Phalanx300]

I like the royal one best, worn by Spartan kings! :2thumbsup:

[Maion Maroneios]

Mine too, the Blazing Sun emblem or something. Very cool indeed :yes:

Maion

[antisocialmunky]

Imagine what sort of shield imagery we would use in modern times. I'd chrome the thing or have a mirror finish on it.

<yes my first thought was goatse>

[Watchman]

That'd certainly be potent psychological warfare...

These days, though, Visibility Kills. No moar bling on the battlefield I'm afraid.

[Celtic_Punk]

THE POWER OF ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously though soldiers painted what they wanted to on there they just cant do that and its not all the thing to make them look diferent i have a problem more with spartans having an athenian A

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall: :wall: :wall::wall:

[Prussian to the Iron]

oh my! i sincerely hope the EB team uses these for their spartan designs. they look so cool!!!!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=3218

[Prussian to the Iron]

sorry for double post:

has anyone else ever thought "epilektoi hoplitai......OMG THEY'RE EPILEPTIC!!!"

no offense if you're epileptic, i just think they are hilariously similar.....

[Watchman]

No. :blank2:

[Phalanx300]

oh my! i sincerely hope the EB team uses these for their spartan designs. they look so cool!!!!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=3218

They do look cool and I prefer them, but those Spartans just had to ruin it for us by changing shield emblem. :whip:

Too bad in EB 2 its going to be all Lambda again, can't wait to see em though.

Edit: Can't read Greek so just noticed, the lower part is explaination for outer rim emblems! Always thought they were part of another page, someone can read what they say? Waves were Marines(or so I've read, then again waves and marines... there's a connection), the other tree I'm not sure of.

[Macilrille]

They do look cool and I prefer them, but those Spartans just had to ruin it for us by changing shield emblem. :whip:

Too bad in EB 2 its going to be all Lambda again, can't wait to see em though.

Edit: Can't read Greek so just noticed, the lower part is explaination for outer rim emblems! Always thought they were part of another page, someone can read what they say? Waves were Marines(or so I've read, then again waves and marines... there's a connection), the other tree I'm not sure of.

You could ask Maion, if you are still on speaking terms? ...

I dislike your way of arguing, blanket statements with no sources, but I got to give you, those are nice shield emblems.

[Prussian to the Iron]

someone can read what they say?

you are soooo lucky im helping you after that whole shenanigan/spam argument you created in the other thread.

from left down, then right down:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=1228

Left Side:

-Royal
-Royal Bodyguards
-Royal Bodyguards
-Thalthikadai Clan (roughly)
-Stinyclarean Mora
-Pylean Mora
-Scrutean Mora
-Limnatean Mora

Right Side:
-Spartoi Clan
-New Citorans?
-New Citorans?
-Perixoi
-Spartan Mora
-Gerothraean Mora
-Amyclaian Mora
-Elean Mora

some may be different, but i'm fairly sure on most of them.

[Azathoth]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=1228


Sauce pl0x.

[Prussian to the Iron]

...............................what?

[Azathoth]

Where did you find those pics?

[Prussian to the Iron]

ooooh source. someone earlier in the thread.

[Phalanx300]

you are soooo lucky im helping you after that whole shenanigan/spam argument you created in the other thread.

from left down, then right down:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=260&pictureid=1228

Left Side:

-Royal
-Royal Bodyguards
-Royal Bodyguards
-Thalthikadai Clan (roughly)
-Stinyclarean Mora
-Pylean Mora
-Scrutean Mora
-Limnatean Mora

Right Side:
-Spartoi Clan
-New Citorans?
-New Citorans?
-Perixoi
-Spartan Mora
-Gerothraean Mora
-Amyclaian Mora
-Elean Mora

some may be different, but i'm fairly sure on most of them.


Thanks for the reply but ment the outer rim texts for the other picture I quoted as they were in Greek. :sweatdrop:


Where did you find those pics?

I got them from this leading researcher on Greek heraldy at Roman Army Talk. :2thumbsup:

[Prussian to the Iron]

they are the same thing. they transllated it into english.............

[DaciaJC]

Right Side #2, 3 appear to be "Free Citizens".

[Phalanx300]

they are the same thing. they transllated it into english.............

I mean the tree shield pieces you can see at the bottum of the other picture...



Right Side #2, 3 appear to be "Free Citizens".

It says New Citizens, probably Neodamodeis and the like.

[Prussian to the Iron]

???theres no tree shields

[DaciaJC]

It says New Citizens, probably Neodamodeis and the like.

Damn my rather poor sleeping habits... :wall:

[Prussian to the Iron]

haha

i had to wake up 2 hours early this morning.....

.......and my reward: sit around doing nothing, with my DS at my grandmas house and my computer with a password i dont know......