Cold war Crisis. [Concluded]

[Beskar]

(I forwarded to Greyblades incase what I wrote order wise wasn't clear)

[White_eyes:D]

Well, I see......at least I pwned Syria in one run:bounce:
still wondering why no one else tried anything??:juggle2:

Edit:.....such a waste of a war......:cry2:

[White_eyes:D]

I REALLY messed up......now all Syria is good for is....what is Syria good for??:laugh4:

But even if I withdraw...I am still going to be attack by Egypt and the other nation?:juggle2:

Edit: does annexing a nation give you any benefits?? (Might as well ask....everyone else is to chicken too...)

[Beskar]

Yes, you get their resources, etc.

[Greyblades]

The only real difference will be that your pop cap goes up so when you do the 4 turns without war (I'm thinking of making it 2) to replenish your forces you get more soldiers.

[White_eyes:D]

Yes, you get their resources, etc.

But Syria didn't really have much....:book: and I just toke out most of there army.....Annexing them would have no real benefit for what I had planned:juggle2:

[Beskar]

Naughty NATO Middle-Eastern Invader.

[Centurion1]

Hah i did plenty.... i just dont have to be a fanatic and attack my peaceful neighbors

Beskar had more trouble with iraq because iraq is a more powerful nation than syria is, duh. Also you are traditionally higher up tech wise than iran.

[Beskar]

Though I never just went "i know, I will just invade Iraq!" either. Though, I don't know what has happened as I am waiting for the results. Iran was actually saving the Iraq people from chemical weapons used on them by the Iraqi government. Paints a different picture now, doesn't it?

[White_eyes:D]

Hah i did plenty.... i just dont have to be a fanatic and attack my peaceful neighbors

I play many games where the "fanatic" always wins:bow:....but your right....I just wiped out a Peaceful neighbor....:brood: One who would have helped me in the long run...now just a piece of land with no troops to defend it....:juggle2:

[White_eyes:D]

Ok...I am going to take a Vote on this....but only from those who I trade with...

1) I Annex Syria....there beaten I could just do this...but if I anger my trade partners, it's pointless:shrug:

2)I Withdraw and leave(up to my trade partners...but they are easy-pickings in there current state:oops:)

3)I sign some sort of Alliance with them to help them if anyone invades....and to help rebuild there army and country....if it's doable....:sweatdrop:

4)I hand over Care of this Nation to Iran or China(third party)

Be mindful that if you guys Invade anyone I want the same kind of cooperation from you....:smash:

[Beefy187]

Is the newspaper only for war news?
Does it not tell you diplomatic developments and other peaceful contributions?

[Caius]

I request that The New York Times articles are shown in the Write-Up.

[Beefy187]

I request that The New York Times articles are shown in the Write-Up.

I request Cyugoku shinbun articles to be shown in the write up.
Focusing on whether Hiroshima Carp won or not.
Oh.. and perhaps what Japans been up to.

[Death is yonder]

Russia is wondering why our... feathery friend across the border is expanding.

We are wondering if this may prelude an attack. Consolidation of power, followed by a three prong invasion...:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

We are wondering if this may prelude an attack. Consolidation of power, followed by a three prong invasion...:inquisitive:

Gasp! It may even mean that death is yonder.

[Death is yonder]

Oh noes! We are doomed...

:devil:

The Russian Times

The Russian Times is pleased to report that an unorthodox attempt of sabotage was attempted very near to the USSR failed. The defense minister was purported to have been investigating the incident.

A spokesperson from the Kremlin said, "Russia will dearly Punish the country who did this, with a capital P."

Surely, those who have perpetrated the offense and are now on the run will be quaking in fear as the prospect of Soviet reprisals and retaliation looms.

Investigations are pending, and the Kremlin is also inquiring if Britain had a hand in it. If so, we would like to laugh at your "100%" work sabotage attempt.

Previously, Russia has maintained a status quo of neutrality. If we find out that Nato has perpetrated this outrage, war will be swift.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I did no such thing Russia. I am not so foolish. :whip:
I am offended that you would even think such a thing, when I have sabotaged you, you will know about it. :laugh4:

I suggest you look elsewhere for your Saboteur.


also, I am somewhat surprised at the actions of Iran and turkey...... I will continue to stay out of Middle eastern politics, but they should be careful where they tread....... Needlessly conquering other nations as the aggressor is not a good way to start this new age.


The government of Britain does just as it says and condemns the IRA for its actions in Ulster.


Also, on more diplomatic front. Britain and China have begun talks regarding the Fate of Hong Kong. We should reach an agreement very soon.

[White_eyes:D]

Russia is wondering why our... feathery friend across the border is expanding.

If I leave Syria as is...even Somalia well be able to conquer it.....:laugh4:
If I am not getting a clear vote on this I will do what's best.....so snap too:whip:


The government of Britain does just as it says and condemns the IRA for its actions in Ulster. Is anyone playing Ireland??:book:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Turkey you have a large war on your hands either way. You must choose for yourself. I am quite sure Both you and Iran are going to have some hard fighting against Egypt and Iraq. what you want to do with your own conquered land is up to you.

[Death is yonder]

I don't think that Greyblades will make the NPC nations inactive.

Don't we all hate passive AI? :clown:

But really, it'll be more interesting if the NPC countries did stuff, the majority of countries ARE NPC after all?

[Greyblades]

All NPC's will act historically if left alone but will react to what you guys are doing in public should it concern them.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:
Exactly, just cause Irelands an NPC does not mean I can not interact with them. :laugh4:, I will not accept Terrorist attacks if it coming from a player OR a NPC!

[Greyblades]

Well technically the IRA isnt part of the Irish government but yeah. its going to cause havoc until its put down, it gets northern ireland handed to it or it just peters out.

[Centurion1]

Good i like how the npcs act.

Yes britain and China have recently entered talks about the fate of hong kong. no matter the way it resolves we will maintain our diplomatic decorum and not fall into bickering as has been seen here as of late.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well technically the IRA isnt part of the Irish government but yeah. its going to cause havoc until its put down, it gets northern Ireland handed to it or it just peters out.

They get North Ireland......Well that is not going to happen...... Better get cracking. (They are allowing it to happen however. And That is just as bad.)

Yes we commend China, they have been nothing if not Civil in his talks.

[Death is yonder]

Russia wishes for it to be made known that Middle Eastern affairs will not be intervened in by us.

We will maintain a strict policy of neutrality much like our historical self in the Iran-Iraq war.

[White_eyes:D]

All NPC's will act historically if left alone but will react to what you guys are doing in public should it concern them.

That pretty much answers my question...:laugh4:

Well since it has gone this far....Turkey's Leader..https://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk117/The_Real_Slinky/56.jpg

Declares the reorganization of Turkey and Syria into The First galactic empire Second Ottoman Empire
Kidding:clown:....I have another name in mind....the Ottomans died in the early 1900's, not coming back now:laugh4:

[Centurion1]

Are kidding me Russia *pulls out history book*, what about Afghanistan.... Im sorry but that opportunity was just too good to pass up. Plus i believe you were very intrested in Iranian oil historically and that is why you hated the pro-western shah.

Not trying to instigate something here, im just saying

[Caius]

Rueters
Epic Failure.

[Centurion1]

Im sorry caius but what was did that quote even mean. If i didnt know you better i would think you were trolling or something

[Beefy187]

中国新聞

Carp wins again!
On the ninth innings, the fourth batter of the Hiroshima carp has scored a epic grand slam against the Giants from two out, two strike and one ball. Resulting in a surprising victory for the Carps.

"We were 2 points behind" said the assistant coach. "But our fourth batter did his job. I am proud of him." This victory made Hiroshima Carps fourth in the league, 8 games behind the defending champion. Giants.

.........................................................................................

牛島　太郎 the new prime minister

Prime minister 牛島 from the liberal party was appointed as the new head of Japan.
"Too long, has Japan suffered from the effects of the defeat in WWII. While we have to accept the consequences, it doesn't mean Japan can't appeal its presence in this world."

eager Prime Minister has concluded trade agreements with many of the Asian countries, such as Korea, Taiwan, India, Australia. He has also agreed to trade with Britain, Iran... And while there is some criticism.. USSR, West and East Germany.

"Japan and USSR may be different in terms of ideology. But it doesn't mean we can't be trading partners. As for Germany, they are not Nazis. They have changed, and they always been one of our closest friend."

......................................................................................

Friendship

"I would like to thank the Japanese. They have been a great help."
This was a comment from a Korean lady in the street of Seoul.
While Korea has been one of Anti Japan nation due to the horrendous actions of the Japanese in WWII, this new act of friendship could change the relationship between the two countries.

New Prime Minister 牛島 has decided to send some of the finest Japanese engineers, to developing countries in Asia, in order to help them with infrastructure.

"Roads, Sewers, Railroad. Japanese is helping us making those." said the Korean lady. "They are even teaching our kids in University. I can't thank them enough"

Same are being done in Taiwan, Laos, Butan, Thailand、Republic of Palau and Malaysia. 牛島 plans to have them work as long as those countries requires their help.


I think that's everything I did last turn.

[White_eyes:D]

At least, Beefy never needs to worry about invasion....:laugh4:

I can't think of a name for this new Country.....:wall:
here is what I thought up.... Turkria,Turkey and Gravy, Greater Turkey and Turk'r us

:thinking2:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

How about the Roman republic of the east? summons to mind a very powerful image. And at the rate you are going it may as well be true.

[Caius]

At least, Beefy never needs to worry about invasion....:laugh4:

I can't think of a name for this new Country.....:wall:
here is what I thought up.... Turkria,Turkey and Gravy, Greater Turkey and Turk'r us

:thinking2:
I have one: Turkey.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

or how about Fowl? :laugh4::laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

You mean the Byzantine Empire?(we kinda stomped them 500 years ago:oops:) but I am not after Greece.....Middle East is my only worry:bow: and I need to worry about Egypt now....:wall:

[Death is yonder]

Russia is lodging a formal protests in the United Nations over the Americans attempting to commit a dastardly act.

On the eve of January 28th, American Navy Seals infiltrated the area. They attempted to sabotage the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and almost succeeded, were it not for the vigilance of the workers there.

Following that, they left in an unregistered Hind helicopter that was picked up by our radar but unsuccessfully shot down.

If the Americans had succeeded, they would have caused much hardship to surviving civilians, as well as numerous deaths to people.

And billions of dollars in costs of the disaster. Money that COULD have been spent by the slowly REFORMING government in helping the people by making jobs and industries and other facilities such as recreational centers and swimming pools, as well as education for the masses and health care.

This is an OUTRAGE.

We demand a sanction by the UN against the American government and particularly their president for attempted crimes against humanity.

Caius is saying epic fail of his operation.

The investigation is concluded and the jury have decided that the United States of America are responsible for an attempted Sabotage into Russia and now, must pay the price for it.

Russia is declaring an instant removal of the USA from diplomatic talks.

Previously, we were willing to speak civilly to you, but now, any American moron stupid enough to cross our border will be shot. Diplomats will be expelled and refuse entry.

Any other false move, and global war will be declared, and it will be ALL, YOUR, FAULT.

Since that is what you want, that is what you will get.

Russian aircraft will shoot any American airliners or airplanes foolish enough to go into our borders. A single attempt to contact will be made. If denied, or no response, we will deem the aircraft hostile and shoot it down.

Any vessel entering the USSR controlled lands for trading purposes or what not, will be checked thoroughly. Apologies to those friendly nations inconvenienced by this, but extreme measures must be taken against those who attempt anything extreme.

We will not hesitate to shoot any suspicious character wandering around any military/governmental area that is restricted.

We also request that the Japanese government turn over any American agents that are found near the vicinity of the Kurile Islands and Sakhalin Islands.

Remember America, one false move, and byebye. :stare:

You have been warned. :devil::devil:

Soon, all your citizens will be carrying this sign. :end::end::end:

You will beg for mercy when the end is upon you.

@The rest of Nato, my relations towards you are still ambivalent and neutral. I bid you, a good day. If you would like to retain the status quo, I suggest you rein in your belligerent ally.

I don't have my fellow Warsaw Pact members running at you sabotaging your land left right center, and certainly don't have them trying to aggravate you.

Will this be the Cold War? Or will it finally heat up away from history. Your choice.

Edit:
Previously, Russia has maintained a status quo of neutrality. If we find out that Nato has perpetrated this outrage, war will be swift.

Since only America (as we have discovered thus far) has perpetrated this outrage, we will resume normal relations with the rest of you.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I suggest we all calm down, I am sure America has an explanation for this that will satisfy everyone. And we will all look back at this incident and laugh..... If not then there is no reason to start a war, I am sure the two of you can work something out.....

just don't start nuking us OK? :sweatdrop:


(By the way I don't think I have said this, But ATPG your writeup is awesome! :laugh4::laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

Can't we just nuke each other and fight fallout style?:smg:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

..... Not helping turkey..... :sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

[Beefy187]

If you need a place to talk, Japan is willing to offer you one.

Just don't start nuking each other before you find out the whole story.
And being nuked sucks. We know because we got nuked before. It hurts, it lasts long, and its messy.

So why don't we all lower our arms and missiles and talk peacefully?
Sounds like a plan yea?

[Greyblades]

Can't we just nuke each other and fight fallout style?:smg:

Two way nuclear war = game over.

[Caius]

If you need a place to talk, Japan is willing to offer you one.

Just don't start nuking each other before you find out the whole story.
And being nuked sucks. We know because we got nuked before. It hurts, it lasts long, and its messy.

So why don't we all lower our arms and missiles and talk peacefully?
Sounds like a plan yea?
In fact, we would like to sign a "Total Nuclear Weapons Ban" treaty with every nation that Could have a nuke.

[Greyblades]

Well if you lot dispose of your nukes a NPC could very easily develope its own nukes in secret and then hold the world by gunpoint as it would be the only guy around with WMD's.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:
which is bad in case anyone wants to know. :tongue:

MAD is better than the alternative.

(12:30, must sleep...... But cant, discussion to important....... :wall::wall::wall:)

[Greyblades]

Also without nuclear weapons it wouldnt realy be a cold war anymore and it will get messy quick.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:
another very excellent point. and I am sure we all LOVE the way the game is shaping up don't we :tongue:


(forget it, I need sleep. I will be back to see who killed who tomorrow.....:tongue:)

[Greyblades]

Well you signed up for a cold war didnt you? It generally includes avoiding open warfare against the otherside in favour of covert actions sabotage, indirect warfare and generally doing whatever it takes to hurt the enemy without giving them a reason to use the big red "kill the enemy quick" button on you.

[Death is yonder]

We didn't say we were going to nuke them. We said we were going to shoot them, bomb them, and all the other stuff if they tried again.

Who said anything about nuking?

Even Russia complies by Defcon 1, just so you know.


And being nuked sucks. We know because we got nuked before. It hurts, it lasts long, and its messy.

How about a nuclear meltdown, that is precisely what Caius wanted eh? :stare:
The historical Chernobyl Meltdown released 400 times the nuclear fallout of the Hiroshima atomic bomb detonation.

Hundreds of thousands of people would soon have cancer, and many of them would prove fatal.

America questions the supposed "tyranny" of our government. So they seek to convince the people by doing something that is equivalent to nuking them? Since America is forbidden from using nukes like us they seek to destroy nuclear reactors to achieve a pretty closely related effect?

Gentlemen, you say that Russia is evil, but if this operation had succeeded, who would you be calling evil, huh?!

Edit: @Greyblades, I'm fully aware of that :bow:

This is politicking and nitpicking and America's hypocrisy. :beam:

[Beefy187]

Well if you lot dispose of your nukes a NPC could very easily develope its own nukes in secret and then hold the world by gunpoint as it would be the only guy around with WMD's.

Well heres a solution.

Destroy all nukes except 10.

If the NPC manages to make one, then shoot. Either that, or Japan will do everything with our power to destroy NPC nukes diplomatically.

I just don't want to see another Nukes going off while the Japanese are still around.

[Greyblades]

Ok then look around, do you think the same guys who go around assaulting neutral NPCs just because they think they might not cooperate if they ask them nicely and sending sabotage teams without telling me to give them blooming disgises could be trusted to dispose of their nuclear playthings?

Fudging insomnia!

[White_eyes:D]

Wait a minute....ARE NPC's going to make nukes???:inquisitive: If that's the case.....we better get Annexing......:whip:

[TheFlax]

Pakistan formerly requests that the Soviet Union withdraws its forces from the sovereign state of Afghanistan. If the Soviet Union chooses to ignore this request, Pakistan will have no other recourse but to mobilize its army on the Afghan border as it is obvious that the invasion of Afghanistan will not be the end of Soviet expansionist, but merely a bridge into the Middle East.

In other news, Pakistan formerly declares that it is pursuing a nuclear program in the interest of self-defense from potential aggressors who already have nuclear weapons.

Finally, Pakistan is trading with Iran, Turkey, India and Japan. Pakistan is open to trade with any country save the Soviet Union and its puppet states.

[Zim]

India welcomes trade with its western neighbor but would prefer its allies the USSR and Eastern Germany not be maligned.

THey would also suggest any such list include the U.S. whose actions of late have been characteristic of a "rogue" state.

[Death is yonder]

Pakistan formerly requests that the Soviet Union withdraws its forces from the sovereign state of Afghanistan. If the Soviet Union chooses to ignore this request, Pakistan will have no other recourse but to mobilize its army on the Afghan border as it is obvious that the invasion of Afghanistan will not be the end of Soviet expansionist, but merely a bridge into the Middle East.

In other news, Pakistan formerly declares that it is pursuing a nuclear program in the interest of self-defense from potential aggressors who already have nuclear weapons.

Finally, Pakistan is trading with Iran, Turkey, India and Japan. Pakistan is open to trade with any country save the Soviet Union and its puppet states.

The Soviet Union states that we have no forces in the Afghanistan region, (at least to our knowledge), as can be seen from the starting world map in which Afghanistan is clearly a different color from us, although why it is pink color is questionable, Greyblades?

We once again re illiterate the statement that we remain neutral and ambivalent to all at the moment except for American scums who have tried to cause a nuclear disaster on a magnitude which is intolerable.

We have no goals (thus far) of conquering the middle east, and are willing to let the factions there have their merry fun, which you can't begrudge us for, as they are not aligned with us. Heck, one of them is even aligned with Nato. Although, there are limits to their expansionist behavior and they would do well not to cross it or face the wrath of the super power on their borders.

We would also like to remind nations like Pakistan that we do not take threats of war against us lightly.



In other news, Pakistan formerly declares that it is pursuing a nuclear program in the interest of self-defense from potential aggressors who already have nuclear weapons.

In light of the latest discussion about nuclear warfare and nuclear power in general, it may not be wise on the diplomatic outlook to do as such.

[TheFlax]

Afghanistan was invaded by Soviet forces on the 24th of December 1979. We find it odd that you do not recall sending 100 000 troops to subvert the lawful government of Afghanistan and to install your own puppet ruler.

What the Soviet Union does in Europe or elsewhere is none of our concern, but your invasion of our neighbors and brothers of the faith is our concern. Pakistan does not wish to threaten the Soviet Union, we know our military cannot actually invade your country, nor would we wish to do so. Yet, Pakistan wishes to make it clear that it will take a firm stance on the issue of Afghanistan. Also we are curious how you take our mobilizing to free a country you have supposedly not attacked as a threat.

Finally, on the issue of nuclear weapons, Pakistan is surrounded by three nuclear powers, two of which could be potential enemies. We will take every measure we feel is necessary to protect our people.

(Also, I am not aligned with NATO... no matter what Greyblades wrote, that is not true at all. Pakistan in 1980 would be closer to China than NATO, starting to warm up to the US because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.)

[Death is yonder]

Because none of our troops is in it :beam:

Its probably controlled by Greyblades!

Although why its pinkish is beyond me, maybe it really is under our control, but I'd wait for Greyblades to wake up so he can confirm it or deny it. :juggle2::juggle2:

[Caius]

I will speak in the UN tomorrow, when I sleep well. And CIA brings me that info. 3 am here (GMT -3)

[A Very Super Market]

Turkey, your various insults are annoying Somalia. Perhaps you can shrug off raids for now, but let's see your populace put up with an eternity of it.

[White_eyes:D]

Turkey, your various insults are annoying Somalia. Perhaps you can shrug off raids for now, but let's see your populace put up with an eternity of it.

??? I insulted you?:confused:

[Beefy187]

Turkey, your various insults are annoying Somalia. Perhaps you can shrug off raids for now, but let's see your populace put up with an eternity of it.

Need help controlling those pirates?
Because they have been attacking my trade cargoes. :smash:

[White_eyes:D]

Need help controlling those pirates?
Because they have been attacking my trade cargoes. :smash:

They attacked Peaceful Beefy??? AVSM, you're a very scornful man:inquisitive:

[Beefy187]

They attacked Peaceful Beefy??? AVSM, you're a very scornful man:inquisitive:

I believe the pirates are out of Somalian governments control. I don't blame AVSM.

[Greyblades]

The Soviet Union states that we have no forces in the Afghanistan region, (at least to our knowledge), as can be seen from the starting world map in which Afghanistan is clearly a different color from us, although why it is pink color is questionable, Greyblades?


The lighter colour means your occupying it but your not doing a very good job of it and its not completely a part of you country. So yeah you do have troops there.

[Centurion1]

Ha what happened to your no interest in middle east Russia? China wants to warn its too nuclear neighbors down south. Pakistan and India i know of your distrust for each other but nuclear weapons are just going to make the situation worse.

[Greyblades]

Well I've allready had the writeup put on this page so might aswell make it official.
https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1007/day2k.jpg
https://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6982/frontlinesmiddleeast1.jpg
DAY 2 STARTED April 2nd 1980
I've probably forgotten something so If you have any espionage results etc you still need to get or you think I've forgotten something PM me.

[Death is yonder]

We knew of the historical situation there, but the current Russian administration was left to manage this administration nightmare caused by our predecessors.

Russia warns Pakistan that we will settle the matter ourselves and we assure you that we will not initiate annexation or blackmailing.

We are merely going to ensure that a terrorist government does not take power and cause further destabilization in the region.

[Centurion1]

China seconds this statement by Russia. There is no reason for a takeover by a weaker nation (no offense). This will only result in further destabilization of a nation plagued by anarchy. I believe that all attempts at annexation should be abandoned immediately for the sake of preserving international cooperation between nations.

[Greyblades]

(Also, I am not aligned with NATO... no matter what Greyblades wrote, that is not true at all. Pakistan in 1980 would be closer to China than NATO, starting to warm up to the US because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.)
That list is for nato and America supporters.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Pakistan formerly requests that the Soviet Union withdraws its forces from the sovereign state of Afghanistan. If the Soviet Union chooses to ignore this request, Pakistan will have no other recourse but to mobilize its army on the Afghan border as it is obvious that the invasion of Afghanistan will not be the end of Soviet expansionist, but merely a bridge into the Middle East.

In other news, Pakistan formerly declares that it is pursuing a nuclear program in the interest of self-defense from potential aggressors who already have nuclear weapons.

Finally, Pakistan is trading with Iran, Turkey, India and Japan. Pakistan is open to trade with any country save the Soviet Union and its puppet states.

Britain would like to state an interest in trade with pakistan

OOC:

Wait don't you need like 1500 economic points to start a nuclear program?

[TheFlax]

We knew of the historical situation there, but the current Russian administration was left to manage this administration nightmare caused by our predecessors.

Russia warns Pakistan that we will settle the matter ourselves and we assure you that we will not initiate annexation or blackmailing.

We are merely going to ensure that a terrorist government does not take power and cause further destabilization in the region.

Terrorist government? What is the basis for that claim? Toppling the lawful regime to install a puppet government is annexation. I do not understand how one of your satellite states can claim that NATO doing it is bad, if you are doing it yourself.

China, perhaps you should restate your statement? Pakistan sees your position as highly ambiguous. We know that you do not condone expansionist aggression, yet you support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Just to make it clear, we do not wish to control Afghanistan and would be happy to let our neighbors in peace; that is why the Soviet Union must withdraw its troops. We do not even require the abdication of the puppet government. Let the country settle itself.




Britain would like to state an interest in trade with pakistan

OOC:

Wait don't you need like 1500 economic points to start a nuclear program?


And are we supposed to get how many economic points we have in a PM ?

OOC: Special ability.

[Death is yonder]

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are in a war with Turkey eh? Looks like the invasion of Syria by them was a bad idea.

Greyblades, Syria is a deep blue color.

Could you explain what the different shades of color mean?

I am supposing something along the lines that the darker the color, the worse the dissent in the population is, and when it turns black or something the whole province will rebel.

[Death is yonder]

Terrorist government? What is the basis for that claim? Toppling the lawful regime to install a puppet government is annexation. I do not understand how one of your satellite states can claim that NATO doing it is bad, if you are doing it yourself.

China, perhaps you should restate your statement? Pakistan sees your position as highly ambiguous. We know that you do not condone expansionist aggression, yet you support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Just to make it clear, we do not wish to control Afghanistan and would be happy to let our neighbors in peace; that is why the Soviet Union must withdraw its troops. We do not even require the abdication of the puppet government. Let the country settle itself.



Your quarrels with India are legendary, which is why your point is questionable.

We are saying that whats done is done, and that the CURRENT government was not the administration that directly condoned the invasion of Afghanistan. We have been dumped into this political nightmare by our predecessors and are forced to deal with the current circumstances as it is.

On the issue of Terrorism... This man and many more, were born into the resistance of the Afghanistan invasion, and YET, they still remain at large. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_Bin_Laden)

Now if you will excuse me, Russia will vanish for 19 hours.

[Greyblades]

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are in a war with Turkey eh? Looks like the invasion of Syria by them was a bad idea.
Turkey and iran actually.

Greyblades, Syria is a deep blue color.
I had no idea I was just looking for colours that hadnt been used allready.

Could you explain what the different shades of color mean?
There is no set "this shade means this" rule it just seemed like a good way to differentiate between occupied and annexed land on the map.

I am supposing something along the lines that the darker the color, the worse the dissent in the population is, and when it turns black or something the whole province will rebel.
Sure, why not.

[TheFlax]

Your quarrels with India are legendary, which is why your point is questionable.

We are saying that whats done is done, and that the CURRENT government was not the administration that directly condoned the invasion of Afghanistan. We have been dumped into this political nightmare by our predecessors and are forced to deal with the current circumstances as it is.

On the issue of Terrorism... This man and many more, were born into the resistance of the Afghanistan invasion, and YET, they still remain at large. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_Bin_Laden)

Now if you will excuse me, Russia will vanish for 19 hours.

Both has Pakistan or India invaded each other. It is certain tensions are high, but at the moment Pakistan is engaged in peace talks with India, which does not concern you, to resolve the situation diplomatically.

How interesting, you are now hunting the terrorists you created by invading Afghanistan, so you intend yo stay. A nice piece of circular logic, when does it end exactly? Also, if you wish to make amends for the actions of your previous administration, why not simply pull back your troops? The invasion is little more than three months old, surely the great Soviet Union is not mired in such a little country as Afghanistan after only three months?

We will be waiting for you when you return.

[Centurion1]

China desires nothing more than peaceful relations with all of its neighbors. I am just stating that Russia inherited this problem. however i do not wish them to leave because it would create a power vacuum. I do not wish an anarchist state so close to my borders. I say let there be a timetable for russian occupation or something of the like. it is unfair to require russia to just remove its troops which could result in widespread anarchy in the region and perhaps spill over our borders.

[TheFlax]

Inherited this problem? They invaded on December 24th 1979, it is now April 2nd 1980. That is 3 months and 9 days. It is not something of the far past we are talking about. As we speak, thousand of Afghans are committed to see the Soviets gone from their country. The anarchy is there right now, because of the invasion. If the troops leave, of course there will be some internal problem, but we have every confidence the Afghan people will solve it and a new, more representative government will emerge.

Also, we do not understand how a purely internal conflict can "spill over" to the exterior, unless the exterior involves itself in it.

[A Very Super Market]

I suppose if you trade with Turkey, then you would lose some of that trade due to piracy. I'm sowwy, Beefy.

[Centurion1]

Alright i have a few points for you.

-the game started on JANUARY 1st, 1980 (HE did not invade them.)
-Second Afghanistan has NEVER had a stable government and has been a haven for drug smugglers and sex traffickers since the 1800's. The government centered in Kabul has always been a puppet of the strongest warlord
- This is the breeding ground for ISLAMIC fanatics who try to destroy anything made by western nations.
- The conflict will spill over borders, sheesh look at your own history. It is not a internal dispute. Thousands of Muslims from all different countries (includng PAKISTAN) will swarm to participate in this newest of holy wars.
- If russia withdraws then there will be reprecussions because these jihadists will set up their own government (Taliban) and they wont start selling girl scout cookies and providing disaster relief

[Jolt]

One question (About the map. :P) Why is the Yemen Arab Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen_Arab_Republic) painted as part of Saudi Arabia? They were never part of the same State.

[Greyblades]

Um, kinda because there was afew graphical errors when I copied the map and I had little to no prio knowledge of yemen until now so I didnt notice. :sweatdrop:

- The conflict will spill over borders, sheesh look at your own history. It is not a internal dispute. Thousands of Muslims from all different countries (includng PAKISTAN) will swarm to participate in this newest of holy wars.
Not realy seeing as most of the muslim countries are kicking the stuffing out of each other afew hundred miles to the left.

[Centurion1]

Ah but look at it from the point of view of a radical muslim extremist. Kill a fellow muslim brother.... or blow up a few infidels personally i would take the infidels

[White_eyes:D]

It's kinda funny.....the "Pirates" only remove the defense bonus for other nations....I still get it....and so does any Land locked Nation.....:bow:

I am sorry but if GB, Japan and China(I think) want there trade, you need to do something about those "Pirates" (Because he is stealing your Defense bonus....:laugh4:)

[Beskar]

When do I get my results PM? :gasp:

[A Very Super Market]

What exactly are two very well developed nations and one with unlimited manpower going to do with a single point of land tech?

[White_eyes:D]

Most Nations only have a defense of 4-5....My trade goods give them 5-6...it basically a boost to that:laugh4: but I don't care....I still trade with Landlocked Nations...:bow: It's basically there Problem....not mine:juggle2:

[Greyblades]

Argh! I knew I forgot something, gimmie a minute and watch this space.

Ok this should have gone with the origional wrietup but you know how that went so I'll put it here
--Buisness bombed--

Earlier this week the Turkish government confirmed the suspicions that a series of Turkish shipping comapanies has been the subject of terroist attacks over the last month with their ships sunk, warehouses demolished and their cargo stolen. In a blitz attack of staggering proportions Turkeys capability to export trade goods over sea has been destroyed and the likely hood that it will be restored in the next three months is nil. The Prime minister has yet to declare anything about these attacks but something is clear; Turkey is not as secure as we had earlier believed.

I'm guessing that white_eyes isnt a very popular person at the moment. Turkey cant trade with anyone who isnt on the same continent for this turn

[Khazaar]

Who stands to profit from Turkey not beeing able to trade? NPC nations?

[Beskar]

Well, Syria does.

I still don't get why 1) Turkey invaded Syria or 2) why Eygpt and Saudia Arabia are attacking both me and Turkey. 3) I went in on Iraq on the pretext of peacekeep and overthrowing a dictator who was killing his own people. It worked for America in 2003.

[Greyblades]

Well you two attacking two neutal countries without provocation at the same time pretty much painted a "we're conspiring to take over the entire region" sign over your heads.

[Beskar]

There was a provocation! Iraq was using governmental forces, shooting down Shia Muslims. As a Shia majority nation nextdoor, I had to act. Just because you was cruel and not actually put it inthe write-up about what was actually going on in Iraq, shows you are mean. :cry:

Also, Iran formerly told Turkey not to invade Syria.

Edit: Going to be an IC message next post now.

[Beskar]

Press Coverage from State-Run Media in Iran about the situation in the Middle-East.


"Greetings, this week has been a terrible week for Islam. The infidel Saddam Hussein suppressed and attacked the Muslim people in Iraq, causing public outrage.
https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4976/saddamstatue.jpg

Saddam Hussein in response to the civil uproar put the state in emergency and opened fire on Muslim people, causing the Great Islamic Republic of Iran, to send troops over the border to stop this outrage and throw out the infidel from his office.

During this time, the opportunist member of NATO, the American Infidels Puppets, decided to attacked the nation of Syria. Iran does not condone this behaviour of Turkey and demands that NATO should stop meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs.

Also during this crisis, the nations of Saudi Arabia and Egypt decided to declare war on the Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran has recalled it's diplomats from Egypt and Saudi Arabia and calls for do conduct a ceasefire so talks may me held between our nations.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

It's kinda funny.....the "Pirates" only remove the defense bonus for other nations....I still get it....and so does any Land locked Nation.....:bow:

I am sorry but if GB, Japan and China(I think) want there trade, you need to do something about those "Pirates" (Because he is stealing your Defense bonus....:laugh4:)

I have been. I have 10 armies trying to stop those god dang pirates.....



Iran whether or not You condone the attack on Syria is a bit irrelevent at this point. Now the only friend you are going to find in the Middle east is Turkey!




Most Nations only have a defense of 4-5....My trade goods give them 5-6...it basically a boost to that:laugh4: but I don't care....I still trade with Landlocked Nations...:bow: It's basically there Problem....not mine:juggle2:

Greyblades we need to go over my role PM again.......




OOC:
I am still wondering if we are going to get some kind of PM saying what trade goods I gained, and what my current EP is.

[Beskar]

Iran whether or not You condone the attack on Syria is a bit irrelevent at this point. Now the only friend you are going to find in the Middle east is Turkey!


Not if Turkey goes on to beat the stuffing out of me.

[Beskar]

OOC:
I am still wondering if we are going to get some kind of PM saying what trade goods I gained, and what my current EP is.

Same, I got some nice trade bonus from people and items they sent me, such as Body armour for example. I wonder what my actual stats are, I should have got a significant increase.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

So I guess the whole "Middle eastern coalition" fell apart pretty fast huh? :laugh4::laugh4:

[A Very Super Market]

Soo, Britain attacked Somalia? But whyyy?

I have formed my own coalition. We are the lords of of the dance. Somalian version.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I attacked pirates man. BIG difference.

unless of course you are admitting the pirates are under your control.......

[A Very Super Market]

So you have 10 armies floating in the water?

Come to think of it, I'm not too sure how warfare works. Do more developed nations actually divide their men into the navy, army, air force, and such?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I believe that Greyblades has simplified things so that Armies=everything. When they are on Water they are naval units. When they are on land they act as Infantry, Armor, and Airforce.

Personally I prefer it that way, keeps things simple......

[White_eyes:D]

Not if Turkey goes on to beat the stuffing out of me.

Turkey's Leader openly calls Iranian Prime Minster a "Coward":laugh4:
https://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/evilzabrak/DarthSidiousSithLord4.jpg

What? did you think the Middle East is just going to stand there and watch as you take over Iraq?:inquisitive:

I say BRING IT ON!!! Besides.....I always loved Comp stomps....:bounce:

[Greyblades]

I believe that Greyblades has simplified things so that Armies=everything. When they are on Water they are naval units. When they are on land they act as Infantry, Armor, and Airforce.

Personally I prefer it that way, keeps things simple......

Your belief is correct. I'm having trouble keeping track of everything as it is, if I was dicking around with different unit types I'd either quit from exaustion or have to get a co-host. it's looking like I will need one anyway though. :dizy:

[A Very Super Market]

Is there a conversion rate, or can we just move land armies on water and call them ships? :D

[Greyblades]

Yes.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I would help out, but that would be a conflict of interest I think. :tongue:
Seriously, I think this game is shaping up to be amazing, I would hate for it to end now.

[White_eyes:D]

Yeah....I hate to use "that" but Somalia is really making my trade partners upset....and if I lose my trade....I lose my country:sweatdrop:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Yes I do not envy turkeys position, surrounded by enemies and the only person who could help you is condemning your actions. Perhaps it is time to look for some outside help turkey! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: The next few phases should be interesting!

[A Very Super Market]

Then make amends, silly Ottoman.

[Beefy187]

Pirates here we come!

中国新聞　

Upset in the senate house.


Despite the obvious criticism, 牛島 announced the plan to send the Self Defense Force Navy to Somalia, to stop the pirates attacking the ships.

"Don't you know the current situation?" asked 牛島 to the members of the communist party and the democrats. "Five of our ships were attacked, two were captured, and three was rescued by our British friends. We have to at least take care of our ships." he said.

牛島 also changed the constitution to allow the Self Defense Force to save non Japanese ship in the area, in the event of pirate attacks.

寺内　昭 of the communist party comments "He is completely twisting article 9 of the Japanese constitution. Attacking pirate ships who aren't attacking our ship is a violation of this constitution!"

To this 牛島 replied "Then perhaps you could go over there and talk senses in to those pirates. Don't worry, they'll only be a few hundred foreigners dead because our Self Defense Force didn't do anything when they could have."

This comment provoked a massive fist fight in the senate house. 15 senators were injured.

Commander of the 海上自衛隊 supports the action of 牛島.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

(OOC: Beefy, was that a story or did I actually save some of your ships? Cause if I did that would just make my day! )

[Beefy187]

(OOC: Beefy, was that a story or did I actually save some of your ships? Cause if I did that would just make my day! )

10 percent Brits praising, 20 percent propaganda, 69 percent role playing purpose 1 percent truth

Seeing as I don't seem to get those pms, I might as well make it up something which may happen.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC: close enough for me! :laugh4::laugh4:

[Centurion1]

China is supremely pissed off. Yes we have trade with all nations but we are greedy and want our trade with Turkey as well. If Somalia does not leave our ships unmolested we will be forced to take extreme diplomatic action.

Turkey the blame also lies with you. We are disappointed that you do not believe trade is a two way street. You must help us protect our trade ships if you want to maintain our trade, as a belligerent nation you are lucky we are even willing to trade with you.....

Drizzit, Beefy perhaps we should discuss the issue which is plaguing our trade in the red sea. PM me any ideas you may have and i shall do the same.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Wait have you both gotten feedback on your trade yet? (I believe that is for YLC to do) I have not, So I am not even sure if my little escapade has done anything at all......

I am willing to open talks about some sort of joint expedition to help fight off these pirates, anything which is messing with our trade must be dealt with. If we all chip in we should be able to put together a decent force to Protect our ships. :yes:

[Beefy187]

China is supremely pissed off. Yes we have trade with all nations but we are greedy and want our trade with Turkey as well. If Somalia does not leave our ships unmolested we will be forced to take extreme diplomatic action.

Turkey the blame also lies with you. We are dissapointed that you do not believe trade is a two way street. You must help us protect our trade ships if you want to maintain our trade, as a belligerent nation you are lucky we are even willing to trade with you.....

Drizzit, Beefy perhaps we should discuss the issue which is plaguing our trade in the red sea. PM me any ideas you may have and i shall do the same.

I don't remember offering or agreeing to trade with China. I'll do that now :laugh4:

Japan is trading with China, if they don't mind.

Now, iirc those pirates used to be a good fisher man once.
However with the chaos and anarchy of the Somalian government, those fisherman lost the group they belong to.

To really end the madness of this piracy, Somalian government should really put a effort into forming a stable government. Education is also important.

I'm guessing the pirates has already tasted the sweet juice of piracy. The amount of money they can get out of a easy raid. While the plan above is being done, our job as the ones being raided, is to provide enough protection on that area, and let those pirates know that if they dares to attack, they'll have to pay a high price for it.

Those are Japans opinion. I suggest all nations who trades in that area, to send their navy.

[Centurion1]

As a perk i trade with everyone. I agree i believe we should all donate troops to defeat the pirate menace. Will britain and japan please pm to say how many troops they would be willing to donate to this end. I will supply whatever we all agree upon as a reasonable number as an equal third party.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

One of china's specials is that he trades with everyone! He is pretty lucky in that respect......


But Japan has a excellent point. If Somalia could centralize its government and revitalize its economy none of this would be happening..... But that is not our concern. For now we will have to do with rooting out these pirates with our navies. :yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Ummm....guys?? I may be dealing with Egyptians and The Saudi's...but don't think that I will let Somalia get away with it twice.....:smash:


Yeah....might wanna protect your trade routes....those "Pirates" might be completely not from Somalia....or there have ALOT more Pirates then I thought...I just finished Catching the ones that bombed my Warehouses...they will have a grizzly fate....One hand and foot cut off for each as an example:whip: Then Life in Prison....:smash:

And a big thank-you to U.K. for the assist...:2thumbsup:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I honestly Doubt I really did that much. I sent some people out to keep trade free, that is pretty much it. :laugh4:
I had nothing better to do.

[A Very Super Market]

Did you all just assume that only Ottoman ships would get attacked? :shrug:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

No, which is why we are taking matter in to our own hands and stopping these pirates now.

[White_eyes:D]

Did you all just assume that only Ottoman ships would get attacked? :shrug:

It sounds like your going to be Pubic Enemy #1 for China....:laugh4:

I am not the Ottomans BTW....there Empire died long ago....:bow:

But I did Rename my country:2thumbsup: I always was wondering why they had the name "Turkey":shrug: (I mean it sounds like all our Poultry comes from there...:whip:)

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

what are you going to have it be called then?

[White_eyes:D]

It's a little Plain....but at least it's not "Turkey":laugh4: You will see if ATPG does a write-up....or is Greyblades doing it?:juggle2:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I believe AtPG is still doing write ups, YLC is doing economics, and Greyblades is doing Pretty much everything else :sweatdrop:

[Greyblades]

ATPG does the main writeup and I do the parts that I had forgotten to get ATPG to do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, I'm the independent and semi-reliable free press. I get the full scoop on what's going on, and I'm not partial to anyone, except of course my ratings.

[Beskar]

OOC: Would be funny if Sealand conquered Britain

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:
Don't even get me started on Sealand. I may invade them just for the fun of it. I mean its not like they can do anything to stop me! :laugh4:

I LOL when I think about a battalion of Spec ops snipers landing on Sealand and Taking control of it in seconds.....

[Beskar]

OOC: You have to SAS them, just for the lulz then arrest the King of Sealand at some random pub in Essex.

[Centurion1]

I guess you could say i am rather peeved at somalia. I mean how dare they attack my ships after i have done nothing but present a hand of friendship. I am truly miffed

[TheFlax]

Allow me.


Alright i have a few points for you.

-the game started on JANUARY 1st, 1980 (HE did not invade them.)

If NATO can be held responsible for past actions, why not the Soviet Union? Also, a change of administration does not some how "reboot" your starting position. You have to deal with the actions of your predecessors. Finally, this is not ancient history, it is quite recent. Unless everyone here has a blank slate?


-Second Afghanistan has NEVER had a stable government and has been a haven for drug smugglers and sex traffickers since the 1800's. The government centered in Kabul has always been a puppet of the strongest warlord

But the strongest warlord was not one of the world's leading superpowers. Perhaps the government has never been stable, but it was a local government. Unless perhaps we should just go and invade any country with unstable governments "for their own goods". I hear there are a lot of such governments in Africa, for example Somalia. What is China waiting for exactly to liberate these poor people?


- This is the breeding ground for ISLAMIC fanatics who try to destroy anything made by western nations.

It became that way because of the Soviet invasion. Perhaps you are jumping a bit too far ahead into the future. Also, China is not a western nation.


- The conflict will spill over borders, sheesh look at your own history. It is not a internal dispute. Thousands of Muslims from all different countries (includng PAKISTAN) will swarm to participate in this newest of holy wars.

Of course it is not a localized conflict, the Soviet Union has invaded Afghanistan and they are not locals. If left to the country's population, for what reason they will lash out against others while they have other concerns?


- If russia withdraws then there will be reprecussions because these jihadists will set up their own government (Taliban) and they wont start selling girl scout cookies and providing disaster relief

Because a Soviet presence will of course help to keep jihadists in check. Quite the contrary actually, the longer the Soviet stay, the more the jihadists will gain influence in their most holy of fights. Your statement assume that jihadists are the prevalent force 3 months after the invasion began. I find that hard to believe.

Again the argument used here is that the Soviet Union must not leave because of troubles its own invasion fomented. I find this an unsatisfactory rebuke and Pakistan maintains its ultimatum.

[ULC]

Czechoslovakia must excuse itself - it had been at an overnight birthday party for itself. Czechoslovakia, as the new Switzerland, will get on the transaction tomorrow, and requires that god know as the grey blades send all economic information received to Czechoslovakia.

Czechoslovakia would also like to state that it has been able to stabilize Hungary, but due to the collapse of the internal government, cannot regretfully withdrawal it's troops without causing anarchy. Czechoslovakia will be looking for a solution. Czechoslovakia asks that Switzerland be placed under it's control for smoother financial transactions...

...Czechoslovakia jests! Hahhaha, joke! But seriously, Czechoslovakia sees that the region has become increasingly unstable around it, and has begun to deploy military personal to other nations at their request. One of these nations is Poland, due to recent labor upheaval and "Solidarity", which both the Polish and Czechoslovakian governments believe to be a western backed coup by brainwashing the proletariat, and as can be seen by the USA's actions, this is very likely.

Czechoslovakia condemns the recent actions of both Somalia and US of A - Czechoslovakia also wishes to most loudly condemn CHINA!

Czechoslovakia has found that several members of the Soviet government have been bought out by Chinese interests, unbeknownst to the motherland, and through the use of its spies, hidden away as personal bodyguards, have discovered that they attempted to gain access to plans for the Kremlin!

Czechoslovakia believes this is why the talks between China and Britain over Hong Kong have gone well! China intends to sell information on Kremlin to Britain in exchange for Hong Kong! Czechoslovakia finds this disgusting behavior!

Czechoslovakia also wishes to make it known it would like to be displayed upon the map.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well this is the first I have heard of this. Czechoslovakia you have made wild accusation against all of NATO for the past 3 months. And I am getting tired of it..... You have made rash decisions, made demands, and now Decided that Diplomatic talks that have not even been completed are a conspiracy.

You talk of "helping" Switzerland, but I see the ambition in your eyes. Britain will contest any attempt of Czechoslovakia to Annex these European countries. And we do not doubt that is their plan. We will stop them by any means necessary. (Abridged version of comment I made then edited out when I learned The Czechs were just joking. lets not completely change the tone of a comment in a edit shall we? :tongue: putting it back because it seems a bit cheep to just edit it out. Lost it, so here is the gist of it.)

As could be guessed Britain is withdrawing trade with Czechoslovakia.


Current trade agreements:
Japan
Italy
Turkey
China
Portugal
America
France
Iran
Pakistan

Your blatant Bias against Non Warsaw pact nations has been readily apparent to us all. and I am done trying to argue with someone who has already made up his mind for good.
I have dealt with these acts for three months, but this is the straw that broke the camels back.

[White_eyes:D]

Why didn't the write-up state that YLC has basically "Police Action ed" Hungry??:inquisitive: I could have done the same with Syria:inquisitive:.....shouldn't NPC's near him, go nuts?? and declare war??:juggle2:

Edit: AM I seeing Host biased here?? I can't find YLC on the map.....or any report on him whatsoever....:brood:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wait where does it say that? I did not even see that part of the writeup... What page is it on?

[White_eyes:D]

Well...Basically YLC is giving the same excuse America had for jumping into Iraq..:juggle2:

Why the Write-up didn't say anything is beyond me.....:thumbsdown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Why didn't the write-up state that YLC has basically "Police Action ed" Hungry??:inquisitive: I could have done the same with Syria:inquisitive:.....shouldn't NPC's near him, go nuts?? and declare war??:juggle2:

Edit: AM I seeing Host biased here?? I can't find YLC on the map.....or any report on him whatsoever....:brood:

It takes a long time to make the maps I am sure Greyblades just forgot to add him yet.


and it was not a war action so it was not in the writeup.

[White_eyes:D]

But he just toke over a country.....:inquisitive: He could just take over yours while your not looking....:laugh4: I mean the News should have said....YLC's troops are moving into Hungry to keep the Peace.....:juggle2:

[ULC]

But he just toke over a country.....:inquisitive: He could just take over yours while your not looking....:laugh4: I mean the News should have said....YLC's troops are moving into Hungry to keep the Peace.....:juggle2:

Hungary! Not Hungry! Hungarians! Not Hungrians!

That is like calling the honorable Czech, "Checks", and Slovaks, "Slow Vacs".

Of course Britain would try to disclaim Czechoslovakia's theory, since it would be seen as bad for Britain to have worked through middleman to obtain information. But Czechoslovakia knows...

And I have made no rash accusations against NATO, that were not in turn made of Warsaw Pact. Britain cannot seem to also grasp humor, and it seems all British are serious when Czechoslovakia made it a point that Switzerland occupation was joke. Britain seems paranoid, and wants to leap onto anything it can to try and even it out so it working through China to gain information about Kremlin not look so bad.

Czechoslovakia says that Britain is much like Two-Face character from your flying rodent picture books.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC: was that editted in? I swear it was not there when I wrote that...... :inquisitive:

[ULC]

OOC: was that editted in? I swear it was not there when I wrote that...... :inquisitive:

OOC: Indeed it was - pay attention next time :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

Soooo??? my people are not even going to be "Turkish" anymore...:bounce:

Still it should have said in the write-up.....My Actions were front page news.....:juggle2:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC: Indeed it was - pay attention next time :laugh4:

Cheap move my friend...... but two can play at that game. :laugh4::laugh4:

[ULC]

Cheap move my friend...... but two can play at that game. :laugh4::laugh4:

Hey, your the one who didn't pay attention the first time around and catch that it was a joke, so :laugh4:

etal - it was not edited in, although we could play that kind of game soon if you want :laugh4:

[A Very Super Market]

Hungry for Turkey?

Down with Hungry as well!

Somalia would like to make a formal apology to all those damaged by the pirate's activities on the Turks. As I am told, all out and in bound maritime trade bound for Turkey was raided, explaining the seemingly random acts of piracy. All that trade with Turkey now, and in the future are forewarned.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Hey, your the one who didn't pay attention the first time around and catch that it was a joke, so :laugh4:

etal - it was not edited in, although we could play that kind of game soon if you want :laugh4:

I did not reread the post until after mine was done, and so did not see the edited version. I am just very slow in how I choose my words. :tongue:, That message looks very different when you don't say I am joking.

[White_eyes:D]

But China is greedy......your ability is like a canceler for there ability to trade with everyone.....:juggle2:
And I have already toke steps to MAKE sure Trade flows freely from Turkey Soon to be name this turn....:bow:

[A Very Super Market]

You said that last turn, and nothing happened. Incompetent governance was one of the reasons the Ottomans fell. I'm sure it will happen again

[Zim]

While India does not know of all the reasons for Russia's occupation of Afghanistan we have no doubt of their sincerity when they say they have no plans for annexation of the country...

We are somewhat concerned about developments in eastern Europe. However noble Czechoslovakia's intentions may be in their movement of troops into Hungary and possibly Poland, we do not feel that such a small country would be able to effectively police those nations. We think it would be best if Russia took over any police actions in the Eastern Bloc, as they have greater resources and legitamacy in the region.

[White_eyes:D]

You said that last turn, and nothing happened. Incompetent governance was one of the reasons the Ottomans fell. I'm sure it will happen again

Wasn't a huge issue then......but China, Japan and U.K. are *ahem*...."Asking" me to do something or my trade routes may disappear completely...:sweatdrop:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

why so glum? I am the one saving your @$$! I am not asking you to do anything, (not when you have a huge war to worry about :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:), but when you have your armies freed I expect you to pick up some of the slack protecting your own trade.

Czechs, as I said I am done bandying words (love that phrase), you have no idea what you are speaking of, and are only trying to stir up trouble so we do not look more closely at your "humanitarian acts" and "police forces"


OOC:
also YLC I put back my comment( or what I remember of it), cause you have a slight point. plus I don't really care what the Czechs think of me if this is how they are going to act to any little thing I do. :tongue: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
(no offense)

[White_eyes:D]

Don't worry....Somalia had it coming....it was only a matter of time till, it angered a big country and was given a "free ride" out of the Cold war...:beam: I am just speeding that up....:laugh4:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Yeah, like I said we are not attacking Somalia. We are attacking pirates. Big difference. We are simply protecting our trade.

if you want your vengeance you need to take it yourself. :laugh4::laugh4:

[ULC]

While India does not know of all the reasons for Russia's occupation of Afghanistan we have no doubt of their sincerity when they say they have no plans for annexation of the country...

We are somewhat concerned about developments in eastern Europe. However noble Czechoslovakia's intentions may be in their movement of troops into Hungary and possibly Poland, we do not feel that such a small country would be able to effectively police those nations. We think it would be best if Russia took over any police actions in the Eastern Bloc, as they have greater resources and legitamacy in the region.

Czechslovakia has moved no troops into Poland, that Poland itself is not using. They are working in an advisory capacity at best. However, Czechoslovakia is working with the remnants of the Hungarian army to help settle the country and forge a new more cohesive government. Both countries border Czechslovakia and trade with Czechslovakia - Czechoslovakia is protecting it's interests, and those of the proletariat, in the region - Russia has communicated to Czechoslovakia that it is busy elsewhere and cannot aid the poor Hungarians.

Czechoslovakia realizes the burden it has placed upon itself, but Czechoslovakia wishes to insure the proletariat do not suffer from an incompetent government.

Czechoslovakia has also begun to believe Britain is very paranoid, due to the Turkish and West Germany debacle. Czechoslovakia thinks that Britain needs to also be less militant, less Britain become new Soviet Union, which they so despise.

[seireikhaan]

I'm gonna have to drop out of this.

[ULC]

I'm gonna have to drop out of this.

In the interests of stability, Czechoslovakia moves to have India move troops to maintain the Indonesian government before it falls into anarchy and chaos.

[A Very Super Market]

Now Turkey thinks it's a big country, and is going to attack us? Pfft. Go subjugate Syria some more, Turks.

[White_eyes:D]

In the interests of stability, Czechoslovakia moves to have India move troops to maintain the Indonesian government before it falls into anarchy and chaos.

There ALL played by NPC's......I don't think they will just let India waltz in and take over...:whip:

[ULC]

There ALL played by NPC's......I don't think they will just let India waltz in and take over...:whip:

Khaan is in control of Indonesia :laugh4::wall:

[White_eyes:D]

Bingo.....it returns to NPC control....:bow:
It wouldn't make sense if there army and Government disappeared...:juggle2:

[ULC]

Bingo.....it returns to NPC control....:bow:
It wouldn't make sense if there army and Government disappeared...:juggle2:

Not saying ti would, I am saying it would fall into anarchy. Second, complain IC, stop dragging this into OOC.

[A Very Super Market]

Someone is going to have to, or those pirates in the straits of Malacca are going to make things worse than the ones on my own soil!

[Zim]

India has no desire to police other nations, especially those yet to show any signs of political instability.

We will gladly watch the situation in Indonesia and offer any help asked for, preferably as part of a multinational group including other regional nations such as China and Japan. We will also support any attempts to root any piracy that arises in Southeastern Asia.

[Beefy187]

India has no desire to police other nations, especially those yet to show any signs of political instability.

We will gladly watch the situation in Indonesia and offer any help asked for, preferably as part of a multinational group including other regional nations such as China and Japan. We will also support any attempts to root any piracy that arises in Southeastern Asia.

I'll do the same :bow:

[pevergreen]

Blah blah blah freedom blah blah blah kremlin blah blah blah pirates blah blah blah OMGUS blah blah blah Britain blah blah blah iraq blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah owblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Germany tires of talking.

[Death is yonder]

Allow me.



If NATO can be held responsible for past actions, why not the Soviet Union? Also, a change of administration does not some how "reboot" your starting position. You have to deal with the actions of your predecessors. Finally, this is not ancient history, it is quite recent. Unless everyone here has a blank slate?

Historically, Russia had invaded the province to preserve the communist regime, you do not help your allies?

But the strongest warlord was not one of the world's leading superpowers. Perhaps the government has never been stable, but it was a local government. Unless perhaps we should just go and invade any country with unstable governments "for their own goods". I hear there are a lot of such governments in Africa, for example Somalia. What is China waiting for exactly to liberate these poor people?

The current government at the time was a government organized by a recent coup, and was even thought of by many in the west to be socialist and communist though it had the word democratic in its name.

It became that way because of the Soviet invasion. Perhaps you are jumping a bit too far ahead into the future. Also, China is not a western nation.

China is not a western nation, but you must agree that it certainly has a say in matters.

Of course it is not a localized conflict, the Soviet Union has invaded Afghanistan and they are not locals. If left to the country's population, for what reason they will lash out against others while they have other concerns?

If left to the country's population, the current ALREADY insurgent people will strike back and instability will continue for a long, long time.

Because a Soviet presence will of course help to keep jihadists in check. Quite the contrary actually, the longer the Soviet stay, the more the jihadists will gain influence in their most holy of fights. Your statement assume that jihadists are the prevalent force 3 months after the invasion began. I find that hard to believe.

That will only happen if we cruelly repress the population and initiate stuff like martial law and secret police. We are working on programmes to actually BENEFIT the population and are slowly making a transfer from Soviet to Afghanistan locals in charge, the change will be slow, but rest assured it will happen eventually.

Again the argument used here is that the Soviet Union must not leave because of troubles its own invasion fomented. I find this an unsatisfactory rebuke and Pakistan maintains its ultimatum.

Russia maintains its own response and refers to the historical fact where Russia realizes that this situation cannot be solved militarily and as such, we have learned from our mistakes and are slowly working towards organizing a rise in the Afghanistan state.

Russia also wishes to inquire Why Pakistan thinks that its OWN invasion of the land will benefit them. Its not as if we are massacring the population and intimidating them for money. Your own invasion will do nothing but worsen the current situation for an ordinary man, who will be forced to leave his home to seek safety from dangerous warfare in the interest of self preservation. They will be reduced to nothing more than REFUGEES and will become a human rights issue. They will be forced to turn to the Taliban and militant groups who thanks to their illicit deals and methods of funding, will be able to offer lucrative offers to these people, who are already destitute and angry at being forced to leave, will surely accept the offer of a better life and REVENGE.

So you see Pakistan, Russia has no intentions of annexing this land, merely righting a wrong, and you intend to make the wrong even further in the supposed interest of "freeing" this land when they will be freed under better circumstances in the foreseeable future. I don't think these people would welcome freedom and becoming destitute and homeless.

Russia issues its own ultimatum, if you mobilize your forces and declare war, and retribution will be swift and you will be the sole person to blame for the destruction of your homelands. Then we will immediately leave and have a power vacuum so you may eat your words and see the effects of what happens when dissent amongst population is not allayed.


Bolded sections are the replies.

Think carefully of your response.

[Centurion1]

Czechoslovakia condemns the recent actions of both Somalia and US of A - Czechoslovakia also wishes to most loudly condemn CHINA!

Czechoslovakia has found that several members of the Soviet government have been bought out by Chinese interests, unbeknownst to the motherland, and through the use of its spies, hidden away as personal bodyguards, have discovered that they attempted to gain access to plans for the Kremlin!

Czechoslovakia believes this is why the talks between China and Britain over Hong Kong have gone well! China intends to sell information on Kremlin to Britain in exchange for Hong Kong! Czechoslovakia finds this disgusting behavior!

Czechoslovakia also wishes to make it known it would like to be displayed upon the map.

Lately there have been some outrageous claims against myself. I am insulted beyone reproach. That i would do something of this sort is absolutely out of the question. Lately you can see i have been arguing with Pakistan over Afghanistan, but you don't see me running around like a chicken with its head cut off, accusing Pakistan of trying to destroy neighboring nations with deceitful espionage. As of now China revokes Czechoslovakian trade rights. Dont play with fire unless you want to be burned.

Trading with-
Everyone except Czechs

You have no idea how our talks over Hong Kong have gone you fool, you don't even know if we have really started them. The Chinese people laugh at your pathetic attempt at subterfuge of what has been a good relationship between Britain and myself.

[Death is yonder]

The claim is indeed quite interesting.

If the claim is true, this would have some very odd prospects in our regions future.

I would advise greater calm and a diplomatic head to convene to discuss the evidence.

Not to say that I favor China over others, and I would deign to listen to things before accusing them, but in my case I had direct evidence which the accused has clearly avoided due to lack of explanation as it was the truth.

Perhaps YLC could reveal his results or something in private, Russia has many closed doors and walls without ears.

Perhaps we will bring the Czech ambassador to the Kremlin for a discussion and report.

Czechoslovakia has been a long ally and China has been nothing if not a friendly neighbor, it would be a shame to see 2 nations such as these throw away years and decades of diplomatic relations.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Russia what you choose to believe is your prerogative. Buts the Czechs have been inflammatory and rash and I question how they would even get such Info.

[Death is yonder]

How else? Espionage.

Not as if you or China would just waltz up to their Czech intelligence people and say,
"Hey! We're friendly! We trade information! We're in cahoots with the enemy, oh noes for you! Boohoo"

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yes but when? He spent last phases watching your people to see if any were being bribed? seems a bit coincidental to me. But hey, you go and do what you want.

[Beskar]

Iran is officially in talks with Saudi Arabia and Egypt over the misunderstanding.

[ULC]

yes but when? He spent last phases watching your people to see if any were being bribed? seems a bit coincidental to me. But hey, you go and do what you want.

Just because British lack an imagination in how to find spies, does not mean Czechoslovakia does.

[Greyblades]

That or everything relies on chance and people can get unlucky.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wait so china actually did it? :inquisitive:

[Death is yonder]

:idea2::idea2:


yes but when? He spent last phases watching your people to see if any were being bribed? seems a bit coincidental to me. But hey, you go and do what you want.

:stare:

Just because the target was in our lands and if YLC is cunning enough to (on a purely theoretical point of thought) to think of using the idea of supposed "trade agreements" as a front for a counter spy mission in the Kremlin, why would I need to even be informed. From his point of view, I could even be in the thick of it all, of course we have WIFOM and blah, but you seem scummy :clown::smash:

It IS coincidental, which is why it comes to a surprise to even Russia.

It appears that plenty of espionage is going on in turn 1 and apparently, Russia was not involved in anything major!

They were mostly Nato's and neutrals... and you all thought I was a power hungry red blob on the map that needed to be extinguished before my ambitions grew out of line. :laugh4::laugh4:

Come to think of it... maybe I am! :devilish:

Although we certainly will strike back if Pakistan attempts to invade regions under our control. A stern warning, that has been given. We are seeking the politically and diplomatically correct solution to this issue yet Pakistan threatens to send it all flying backwards back to "Insurgents, Tremendously High,"

Perhaps next the Americans will even go and fund the Afghan rebels huh?

We are hardly surprised at Pakistan and USA's actions, they seem to be more interventionist people than us. *Warning, Hypocrisy detected in Diplomacy Talks*

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Oh for god sake, I don't even care what you think. My talks with china have had nothing to do with any info on Russia and that is all I care about.

[Beskar]

If you are worried about Afghanistan, you could allow an non-aligned nation to take care of the situation there.

[TheFlax]

To the Soviet Union, revise history is you want to, but the Parcham faction which you support was never in power. Your whole intervention is based on the 1978 treaty of friendship and cooperation between Afghanistan and yourself. Apparently because of the execution of one of your supporters in the the country, your predecessors decided to invade the country with the pretext of wanting to stabilize it. It was not unstable to begin with, so I find that line of argumentation dubious.

Also, Pakistan never had the intention to invade, the mobilizing of our forces was a purely defensive measure. Yet, because the Soviet Union has shown such goodwill and understanding, not only will the Pakistani army remain in its current state, but it will withdraw all forces near Pakistan's border with a Afghanistan. These so-called "Tribal Provinces" by westerners will be free of military forces, so that the mighty Soviet Union does not fear an invasion.


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Switch to regional news

In other news, due to lack of funding, the school system of Pakistan's Tribal Provinces will be provided entirely by Madrasahs...

[Death is yonder]

Russia will retain its military forces recently moved into the region as a deterrent to terrorist insurgents who would seek to use force and fear to dominate the region.


mighty Soviet Union does not fear an invasion.

We fear not an invasion, they are inconveniences.


Oh for god sake, I don't even care what you think. My talks with china have had nothing to do with any info on Russia and that is all I care about.
:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:

Overly defensive! Scummy Person!! :smash::smash::clown::clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

we are countries during the cold war, we are all Scummy..... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I am just tired of arguing right now. Have to spend way to much of my time arguing lately......:shame:

[ULC]

we are countries during the cold war, we are all Scummy..... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I am just tired of arguing right now. Have to spend way to much of my time arguing lately......:shame:

If British diplomat tired, Czechoslovakia suggest retirement :yes:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Yeah you would like that wouldn't you. Well that aint going to happen my friend. I am going to a wonderful party today and when I get back I will be rested enough to give you a horse whipping

[ULC]

Yeah you would like that wouldn't you. Well that aint going to happen my friend. I am going to a wonderful party today and when I get back I will be rested enough to give you a horse whipping

Czechoslovakia say - "Stick and Stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me."

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: you eastern Europeans and your crazy fetishes....... at least he does not talk like Bruno........ :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Death is yonder]

I am going back to a place called sleepland and school and as usual, will be back in approx 19 hours from now.:sweatdrop:


we are countries during the cold war, we are all Scummy.....
I am just tired of arguing right now. Have to spend way to much of my time arguing lately......

Russia inquiries if the British diplomat is unused to the intricacies of political bickering. :clown:


If you are worried about Afghanistan, you could allow an non-aligned nation to take care of the situation there.

A non-aligned nation that would be optimal would be NPC nation and greyblades.

Naturally the best interest would be to hold the region, but we are not so evil and will release it from our influence when the time is ripe.

We are not worried about it, merely concerned about man power drain required to act as a standing army to prevent an overwhelming by sponsored military forces... *ahem America, Ahem*


you eastern Europeans and your crazy fetishes

:bump: :bump:

[Centurion1]

I am tired of my name being slandered. I demand to see the documents! If as i believe will occur no documents come forth i will be satisfied. Come czech show me the evidence

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:bump: :bump:

Yes I know the reason you keep Ukraine under your control. You are trying to keep all the Ukrainian women for yourself! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[ULC]

I am tired of my name being slandered. I demand to see the documents! If as i believe will occur no documents come forth i will be satisfied. Come Czech show me the evidence

Your suggesting that Czechoslovakia release documentation on how it proceeded into it's investigation, how it found your operatives, how it was able to trace it back to you? Czechoslovakia does not take insults to it's intelligence very well.

Czechoslovakai suggest Chinese get new proofreader as well as translator.

[Centurion1]

Well WE suggest that Czechoslovakia gets a new INTELLIGENCE organization, because at the moment all they're are receiving in espionage is bs (pardon my french blackadder)

[ULC]

Well WE suggest that Czechoslovakia gets a new INTELLIGENCE organization, because at the moment all they're are receiving in espionage is bs (pardon my french blackadder)

China seems to have issue with Czechoslovakia. Is it because Czechoslovakia speaks truth, and truth hurts, or is it because Czechoslovakia is minor nation and hurt big China's feelings?

[Beskar]

Iran thinks Czechoslovakia is amusing.

[A Very Super Market]

Somalia laughs at Czechoslovakia for their landlocked nature. A-hah-hah-hah....

[Centurion1]

China dislikes Czechlaslovakia, because at the moment they are injuring chinas good name. china does not understand why the Czechs would wish to do so, China is willing to tell all it knows about Czechloslovakia....

[pevergreen]

Germany has found who attacked it, and shall respond in kind.

[Csargo]

Italy had agreed to a trade agreement with Britain, and am open to trade with any other nation that wishes to engage in trade with Italy.

OOC: Sorry Greyblades for missing the first set of orders I've been busy.

[Death is yonder]

Germany has found who attacked it, and shall respond in kind.

You speak as if a reunited country :clown:

[Centurion1]

China wishes italy to know that china is currently engaged in trade with their nation

[Khazaar]

I´m still waiting for the details of my first turn. The effects of my tradeagreements and how much money I´ve made etc..

[Death is yonder]

I think that is suppose to be handled by YLC... but since he is now a player... I don't know?

:bump:

I don't think anyone has gotten it yet, perhaps we are only given it every 2 turns or something so Greyblades doesn't waste a lot of time and pm space to manage this game. Just be patient, its not that imperative at the moment anyway, I suppose?

[Centurion1]

I agree its really not that key at the moment. well at least for me. I would like to know the bonuses i get from everybody. Well i dont want greyblades to burn out so ill wait patiently.

[Greyblades]

The trade with everyone only nets you the points. Seeing as its compulsary for them, to make it fair, other countries can chose whether or not to give you their trade good. Yeah I know I should have said it earlier but I forgot.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OOC:
Hey guys, I am going away camping for a week on Sunday and I need someone to help out subbing my orders :sweatdrop:. You would not have to do much, as I would be able to give you some pretty specific skeleton orders for my country. All I need is for you to respond to any problems that arise in my plans or any unexpected actions that occur. I think that the game will only go forward 2 or so phases while I am gone so it should not be to much of a burden. I would send you a list of possible orders and depending on circumstances you would choose them. It would really help me out. Just PM if you want to help out :bow:

I am sorry to any warsaw nations but I would feel much safer if my sub was NATO or Neutral

[Beskar]

The trade with everyone only nets you the points. Seeing as its compulsary for them, to make it fair, other countries can chose whether or not to give you their trade good. Yeah I know I should have said it earlier but I forgot.

When are these accounted? As far as I am aware, all my trades include trade resource both directions from talks.

[Beefy187]

OOC:
Hey guys, I am going away camping for a week on Sunday and I need someone to help out subbing my orders :sweatdrop:. You would not have to do much, as I would be able to give you some pretty specific skeleton orders for my country. All I need is for you to respond to any problems that arise in my plans or any unexpected actions that occur. I think that the game will only go forward 2 or so phases while I am gone so it should not be to much of a burden. I would send you a list of possible orders and depending on circumstances you would choose them. It would really help me out. Just PM if you want to help out :bow:

I am sorry to any warsaw nations but I would feel much safer if my sub was NATO or Neutral

I nominate France :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can sub for a week in a very neutral way. If you have non-neutral orders you have to specifically lay them out.

I won't run into serious problems until next month when... its awwww gone!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Alright then, AtPG is my sub.

dont worry, I will send you all the necessary info on what my actions should be ( I am a bit compulsive like that, I may even give you orders that only come into effect if other orders fail, I have not decided yet how much time I will have....) :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Should I forward my PM(that I sent to Greyblades) to ATPG???:help:

[Askthepizzaguy]

All the relevant info that I would use in the writeup would have to be sent to me directly by the host. So officially, no.

However, that information would help me know what you intended to do, which helps me understand your "character"/nation better. So it is a plus for me. Just know that anything you say to me doesn't affect the outcome; that still comes to me directly from teh host and nowhere else.

[White_eyes:D]

I think if you read my previous posts about Turkey....you will get a clear Picture:laugh4:

[Death is yonder]

All the relevant info that I would use in the writeup would have to be sent to me directly by the host. So officially, no.

However, that information would help me know what you intended to do, which helps me understand your "character"/nation better. So it is a plus for me. Just know that anything you say to me doesn't affect the outcome; that still comes to me directly from teh host and nowhere else.

*Gasp*

An ATPG with a sabotage ability of 100% on the other side of the grass.

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:



I am sorry to any warsaw nations but I would feel much safer if my sub was NATO or Neutral

OOC: No problem, certainly no hard feelings, its the only sensible way :clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Glad you understand Russia. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Death is yonder]

Russia is sad that international political debates back and forth are no longer raging.

We feel alone and with only us and our nukes.

We are sad that this has happened so fast.

It should only happen when the world is painted a glorious red :clown::smash:

Then, no political debates will occurring.

[Greyblades]

I just looked at the time and I noticed that the turn should be over by now. I'm giving you lot 4 hours to get your orders in if you havent allready and then I'll determin who succeeded and send them to ATPG for the writeup.

[Beefy187]

Russia is sad that international political debates back and forth are no longer raging.

We feel alone and with only us and our nukes.

We are sad that this has happened so fast.

It should only happen when the world is painted a glorious red :clown::smash:

Then, no political debates will occurring.

I might have nodded if you meant red as in Empire of the rising sun red.

....Forget that. Blue all the way! Viva America and stuff. Praise the 30 years of American propaganda in our education!

[Greyblades]

Phase over.

[Centurion1]

Sorry sent in my orders right as soon as i saw that message. My apologies for their lateness. (thought i would wait to see all developments this turn and all it ended up doing is make me miss the deadline :furious3:)

[Zim]

I missed the deadline as well, although I'm not doing anything different this turn than last. :clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Waiting for writeup to vent......

[Greyblades]

...You could have waited untill I had gotten the writeup to ATPG.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

sorry, I am very testy...... :tongue: I can edit it out and wait for the writeup if you prefer..... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

it is done, I will wait for writeup. Sorry...... Dont think anyone saw it anyway......

[White_eyes:D]

Looks like NATO might have just tried to scout my defenses....:inquisitive:

[Beefy187]

Looks like NATO might have just tried to scout my defenses....:inquisitive:

Not I.
Espionage and stuff takes too much effort.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Writeup to come tomorrow; waiting on more data from host. :bow:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Looks like NATO might have just tried to scout my defenses....:inquisitive:

I could of, but I would have left a note remember? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

no but seriously It was not me, you would know if it was me :tongue:


OOC:
also, YLC are you still waiting for the economic info so you can give it back to us?

[Centurion1]

Ha, why would NATO scout you? You are a member of NATO, no? Maybe your recent aggression pissed off some more powerful people that the Egyptians and Saudis.

[A Very Super Market]

As far as I know, Turkey's weapons shipments go to nations with TEN tech, and China, which presumably has a slightly lower number, but far more people to throw. Now I ask you, is risking trade disruption really worth a backwards, war-mongering, and erratic ally?

[ULC]

I can't feasibly play as Czechoslovakia, AND keep track of trade, since that would be enough information to crush whatever alliance I would want, with no way to remain unbiased.

I have to choose one or the other.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ahhh a good point especially since I already know which side you are leaning to.... :inquisitive:

[ULC]

ahhh a good point especially since I already know which side you are leaning to.... :inquisitive:

You only think you know which side Czechoslovakia swings to.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

do I? I think I have guessed correctly my friend.....

but I wonder who we can get to do economics now....

[ULC]

do I? I think I have guessed correctly my friend.....

but I wonder who we can get to do economics now....

Nope, Czechoslovakia plays for the team it wants to.

[Greyblades]

Either we find someone else to do it or we dump it because I realy dont want to have more junk to juggle.

[ULC]

Either we find someone else to do it or we dump it because I realy dont want to have more junk to juggle.

A possible compromise is to let everyone keep their trade good, but only one other person can get it.

However, the economic system was designed to help curb nuclear war and foment alliances based upon economic need.

[Greyblades]

I was kinda thinking of losing the whole points thing and just have the trade good that players can swap around.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am fine with that, although you may have to find a way to balance espionage actions then. As it was we had to pay for all that stuff, now we need at least some kind of penalty for doing over the top stuff. (you know like the kind I love doing) :tongue:

[Greyblades]

I think I'm going to put a limit on those like 1 medium/major action a turn for regular countries, 2 for Rich countries, and 3 for superpowers. Epic actions will need a turns prep before carrying out.

[Centurion1]

As far as I know, Turkey's weapons shipments go to nations with TEN tech, and China, which presumably has a slightly lower number, but far more people to throw. Now I ask you, is risking trade disruption really worth a backwards, war-mongering, and erratic ally?


I am sorry was this directed at me and if it was can you describe your reasoning a little more throughly.

I dont care honestly about the economics. Lately i have been throwing my points around. in write ups i just has orders of increasing or decreasing importance and whatever cannot be completed with enough economic points is binned. Personally i vote for whatever is simplest so we can have clear and concise rules on economics, at the moment i really have no idea where i stand economically.

P.S.
Is roadkill inactive as canada, because he has said absolutely nothing throughout the course of the game. Just wondering because i dont want the game to fall into inactive levels because people aren't committed to it.

[A Very Super Market]

The fact that people are rushing to Turkey's aide, when

1. They don't need the little bits and pieces that Turkey gives them

And

2. When Turkey itself has been far more aggressive than myself.

I have no quarrel with either Britain, Japan, or China, but they are stifling what little trade I can come up with.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

how? we have not attacked you whatsoever or harmed your trade at all. all we have done is combated pirates..... I have no idea why you assume we are launching attacks on you. I have not said anything about stifling Somalia's trade. all I have done is kept my own trade routes free of pirates.

[A Very Super Market]

My trade with Iran has not come through, intercepted by your forces.

[ULC]

Czechoslovakai wishes to make a statement regarding it's current military actions in Central Europe. Due to the Russians being militarily strained, Czechoslovakia cannot control the sudden outbreak of riots in Poland, while simultaneously trying to get the Hungarian government back up and running.

Thus, Czechoslovakia wishes to ask the Germanies if they may help take part in the stabilization of the region.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well it was not from my forces then. I specified that I was attacking only pirates. Are you sure it did not come through for some other reason?

(unless your trade is coming in on pirate ships :tongue:)

[ULC]

Well it was not from my forces then. I specified that I was attacking only pirates. Are you sure it did not come through for some other reason?

(unless your trade is coming in on pirate ships :tongue:)

Seems either British lie through teeth, or they misplaced SAS uniforms.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

It would seem that the Czechs have cotton in their ears. We are not talking about Sabotage actions or anything of that sort. We are talking about a problem with Somalian trade that it may have been intercepted. I have attacked only pirates, and have no reason to disrupt Somalian trade. What is my motivation exactly?

The sheer amount of insults you have given me Czechoslovakia is really starting to annoy me. I ask they Desist, NOW.


(ohhh I cant wait for the writeup, it was you wasn't it Czechoslovakia..... you launched the attack..... :mean: )

[Centurion1]

Shut up czechloslovakia, you are annoying china and are also spreading lies among other nations.

Somalia, China does not even has naval forces stationed in the red sea at this moment. So we are absolved from any blame as to stifling your trade (you however ARE stifling our trade)

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[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok scratch that. I was the one who did it. but I believe greyblades misinterpreted my orders....... Greyblades, I never said I was blockading Somalia........ I said they were to hunt for pirates......... :sweatdrop::dizzy2:

but a much bigger issue, Britain's statement on the attack on the British colony of South Rhodesia (its not called southern Zimbabwe)

~:pissed: Britain has just received word that a group of south African militiamen Were seen attacking border villages in the British administrated Colony of South Rhodesia. They burned and assaulted innocent villagers and were armed...... with what appears to be AK47's ~:angry:. regardless to who deemed it necessary to fund and equip an assault on British land..... *Cough* Russia *Cough*, although those Czechs look guilty *cough*. We will be taking IMMEDIATE military action on the country of South Africa. The government of Britain formally declares war on the Apartheid rule of South Africa. For too long have you committed atrocities on your citizens, and meddled in the affairs of Africa. Now this? Britain declares that South African citizens are not blamed for the attack and that any South African soldier who lays down his arms, or better yet fights his oppressors will be given full amnesty. We declare that after the invasion South Africa will become a colony of Britain, but will be given full rights to create its own constitution and elect its own president.

The country of Namibia will be freed from its South African oppressors and will be given a chance to join the Burgeoning Colony of Greater south Africa which will be allowed a great level of autonomy and given Funding to help bring its nation up from the backwater nature the Former Apartheid rule has dropped it to.

Greta Britain calls for all African nations who have been victimized by south Africa to assist it in Britain's struggle to give them all freedom. We ask you all to help us in ending a humanitarian nightmare we have allowed to exist for TOO long!

The British will march on Messina, with a grand army to free the South Africans.. And will tolerate no European interference in this. An attack on a British colony is an attack on Britain. May you all remember that in the future.
We have no concrete proof on who supplied these men with their weapons, but we ask that it NEVER happens again. *whisper* cause who else uses AK's....*whisper*

(wow, I must have been very vengeful when I wrote this..... feels weird looking back on it a day latter)