GippersList

[Lemur]

First there was Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page), the answer to the gay liberal Trotskyite website known as Wikipedia. Now there's GippersList (http://www.gipperslist.com/), the way to buy and sell online without mingling with the unbelievers who befoul Craigslist.

Are "conservatives" attempting to build an alternate reality? What purpose does this self-segregation serve?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Craigslist doesn't let you sell guns. :no:

You can sell basically anything else, including yourself, but no guns.

A pity. I don't see the point of this "GippersList" however.


Are "conservatives" attempting to build an alternate reality? What purpose does this self-segregation serve?

Maybe it's simply some guy thinking he can make some money with this, and not some grand movement to set up a separate reality. You know, Occam's razor and all that.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Everybody knows the girls over at www.RepublicanSingles.com look best. :sweatdrop:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Are "conservatives" attempting to build an alternate reality? What purpose does this self-segregation serve?

Bingo, one in which the world is only 6,000 years old, flat, and has no Gay animal life.

No kids, I'm only half kidding.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Also, where'd you find out about this?

I was googling and found the site of a person alleged to have created the site:
http://theactivistnextdoor.blogspot.com/2009/06/gippers-list.html

Apparently she didn't want to deal with non-republicans in business. What stupidity.

From the FAQ:

How do I know the person I’m doing business with is really a Conservative?
The million dollar question! There are no “litmus tests” and GippersList is “on your honor.” The publicity we are doing to promote GippersList is geared toward conservative unbiased and unbiased and conservative media outlets and the positioning is clear. That being said, to support our cause and “prove” that you are a conservative, we ask that all GippersList posters sport a GippersList bumper sticker on their vehicle or in their place of business. When you do a transaction—look for the bumper sticker and if you don’t see it…say something.

I guess the fact that hardly anybody is listing things on the site is an indication of how few people think this is useful.

CR

[KukriKhan]

Total San Diego County California (a Republican stronghold in an otherwise 'blue' state) listings:

Zero.

Folks staying away in droves, so far.

[InsaneApache]

Isn't a gipper a bloke in a PVC suit? Sounds about right. :inquisitive: :laugh4:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Isn't a gipper a bloke in a PVC suit? Sounds about right. :inquisitive: :laugh4:

:laugh4:

So it's for poor Republicans?

Or crazy ones?

[drone]

Isn't a gipper a bloke in a PVC suit? Sounds about right. :inquisitive: :laugh4:

You are thinking gimp, not gipper. Gipper comes from Reagan's acting days.

This just shows that "Republicans" are now completely divorced from their former policy beliefs. Why would any self-respecting free-market devotee eliminate ~65% of their potential customer base? :inquisitive:

[KukriKhan]

Isn't a gipper a bloke in a PVC suit? Sounds about right. :inquisitive: :laugh4:

For our American friends, schooled in the Gipper-ese of Ronald Reagan, here's the UK version:


Gipper or Gipping

If someone had decided to wear the same clothes all week without changing. Or maybe That person had stood in something that wasn't particularly pleasant to the smell or sight. Then this individual would be called a Gipper. Or, “That's just gipping man”

From this place, explaining 80's council estates slang (http://www.socyberty.com/Languages/Council-Estate-Sland-of-1980s.633145).

Two nations... common language, and so on...

[InsaneApache]

For our American friends, schooled in the Gipper-ese of Ronald Reagan, here's the UK version:



From this place, explaining 80's council estates slang (http://www.socyberty.com/Languages/Council-Estate-Sland-of-1980s.633145).

Two nations... common language, and so on...

Aye, gipe, to gag because of unpleasant odour due to not washing. Think a tramp in the underground with a can of special brew. Close then. :sweatdrop: :laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

Think a tramp in the underground with a can of special brew.

Our Brother, IA, makes it sound as if that were a bad thing. :laugh4:

[Lord Winter]

How do I know the person I’m doing business with is really a Conservative?
The million dollar question! There are no “litmus tests” and GippersList is “on your honor.” The publicity we are doing to promote GippersList is geared toward conservative unbiased and unbiased and conservative media outlets and the positioning is clear. That being said, to support our cause and “prove” that you are a conservative, we ask that all GippersList posters sport a GippersList bumper sticker on their vehicle or in their place of business. When you do a transaction—look for the bumper sticker and if you don’t see it…say something.
How can you be conservative and unbaised? I like the double think going on there.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Meaning of "win one for the Gipper" (http://archives.nd.edu/rockne/speech.html) and it's relationship to Reagan.

[HoreTore]

We define “conservative” as a person who believes in free market principles and capitalism vs. socialism. We believe that individuals can do better for themselves than the government can do for them.

Lolz.

That would be a "liberal", wouldn't it? :laugh4:

Also; praise the Lemur for revealing the world of conservapedia! Although you really should've chosen a different day, it's all sunny outside and now I'll be stuck here all day laughing my behind off.....

[Ronin]

This just shows that "Republicans" are now completely divorced from their former policy beliefs. Why would any self-respecting free-market devotee eliminate ~65% of their potential customer base? :inquisitive:

After you successfully divorce yourself from reality...everything else comes easy.

[InsaneApache]

Lolz.

That would be a "liberal", wouldn't it? :laugh4:

Also; praise the Lemur for revealing the world of conservapedia! Although you really should've chosen a different day, it's all sunny outside and now I'll be stuck here all day laughing my behind off.....

Not sure how it is in Norway but small government and personal accountability is a conservative thing. Liberals tend towards big government and state interference. I'm surprised you seem to know nothing about conservatism or liberalism.

[HoreTore]

Not sure how it is in Norway but small government and personal accountability is a conservative thing. Liberals tend towards big government and state interference. I'm surprised you seem to know nothing about conservatism or liberalism.

That would be socialism, now wouldn't it?

A different name for free market is market liberalism. Liberalism is about freedom from the state.

[InsaneApache]

Nope.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Pinning down liberalism can be confusing. I think it had been small government and laissez-faire in the past, but it became more of a big-government ideology when the problems caused by industrialisation really set in. Reminds me of a video clip from school where one liberal explains the need for nationalised health care, more welfare etc, and the shocked person he is speaking to says "But sir, that is socialism", and then the guy says "No my friend, it is a new enlightened form of liberalism".

Hence maybe the above confusion.

[Husar]

Nope.

That sounds like the same nope I always get when I say satanism is about satan.
I guess conservatism is about progress now. :dizzy2:

But it's not all that surprising considering the catholic church has changed god's unalienable will several times throughout history... ~;)

[HoreTore]

Nope.

Instead of adding nothing to the discussion, how 'bout having a read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism)?

[Xiahou]

Instead of adding nothing to the discussion, how 'bout having a read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism)?

Thanks, that cleared it all up. Especially the parts on conservative liberalism and liberal conservatism. :laugh4:

[HoreTore]

Thanks, that cleared it all up. Especially the parts on conservative liberalism and liberal conservatism. :laugh4:

Indeedy! ~;)

[Furunculus]

That would be socialism, now wouldn't it?

A different name for free market is market liberalism. Liberalism is about freedom from the state.

the confusion might lie in the fact that our liberals aren't terribly liberal, in fact they are not really liberal at all despite bearing the name.

[HoreTore]

the confusion might lie in the fact that our liberals aren't terribly liberal, in fact they are not really liberal at all despite bearing the name.

What confusion?

The simple fact is that there are dozens of different versions of liberal thought.

And the classical economic liberalism is just what's defined as "conservatism" by that site.:2thumbsup:

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Instead of adding nothing to the discussion, how 'bout having a read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism)?

Or how about realizing (everyone, not just you) that definitions differ by country? What is broadly considered conservative in Canada, the UK, and the USA might have a different definition then what is considered conservative in Germany, Norway, and Sweden, though sometimes those also overlap and cross borders. That and there are also different schools of liberalism - classical liberalism usw., as well as different schools of conservatism.


And the classical economic liberalism is just what's defined as "conservatism" by that site.

So that's what their school of conservatism involves.

[HoreTore]

So that's what their school of conservatism involves.

Involves yes, but when stating an ideology, it would've been wise to state something that sets one ideology apart from other ideologies, not something that multiple ideologies believe in.

It's kinda like stating that "conservatives believes in not executing the opposition"....

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Involves yes, but when stating an ideology, it would've been wise to state something that sets one ideology apart from other ideologies, not something that multiple ideologies believe in.

It's kinda like stating that "conservatives believes in not executing the opposition"....

But why, when one of the greatest things that divides conservatives and liberals in your country is levels of state control of the economy?

[HoreTore]

But why, when one of the greatest things that divides conservatives and liberals in your country is levels of state control of the economy?

That would've been a point, if the democrats were actually in favour of state control.

Which they aren't. They're in favour of a slight shift towards more state control, nothing more than that. They bring up socialism as their nemesis, which the democrats are also against.

I'd say that the thing that separates conservatives and liberals in the US, are the social issues. Like abortion, religion, homosexuality, etc. It would've been a lot better to bring up that point instead of the economic one where they both have a very similar goal in mind.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

That would've been a point, if the democrats were actually in favour of state control.

Which they aren't. They're in favour of a slight shift towards more state control, nothing more than that. They bring up socialism as their nemesis, which the democrats are also against.

That's all a point of view though, isn't it? Nevertheless, the Democrats are the party which advertises (or tries to introduce) more state control, and the Republicans (though in their recently unelected version...) don't.

[HoreTore]

That's all a point of view though, isn't it? Nevertheless, the Democrats are the party which advertises (or tries to introduce) more state control, and the Republicans (though in their recently unelected version...) don't.

Right.....

Patriot act, anyone?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Right.....

Patriot act, anyone?

Like I said, in their recently unelected version perhaps not. But I was talking about state control over the economy.

[HoreTore]

Like I said, in their recently unelected version perhaps not. But I was talking about state control over the economy.

The unelected gets to say whatever they like.

The elected has to play by the hard realities.

EDIT: and are you forgetting ol' Mr. Bush meddling with the economy during his last days? I mean, taking a bag of cash from one guy and giving it to another guy isn't what is usually called "no state interference with the economy", now is it...? And I can't see why it should be any different when the guy receiving it is a CEO instead of a homeless guy...

[King Henry V]

If I may wade into this debate on semantics, as far as I can see, the liberal/conservative dichotomy of the political spectrum is an American import, where, like HoreTore said, camps tend to be divided more on social rather than economic lines (though Republicans and Democrats have a pretty mixed bunch of believers in their parties). From a European point of view, liberalism is the ideology of reduced state controlin matters both social and economic, a descendant of 19th century radicalism, and in today's spectrum usually places itself at the centre-right. As the American view is liberalism=left-wing, they had to come up with the term "libertarianism", a rather ugly word IMO, to cover the same political stance.

And I don't see how conservatism automatically equals lack of state control. Conservatism, etymologically speaking, means conserving the status quo, or at least reforming things gradually. Hence the traditional conservative emphasis on family, religion, monarchy, strong armed forces and a more swashbuckling style of foreign policy.

Of course, the status quo, and thus conservatism, varies from country to country. In America, liberty was one of the founding principles of the nation, hence conservative emphasis there on freedom from governmental control. France, from Richelieu to Napoleon to Charles de Gaulle, has traditionally aimed to impress the world with the power, the majesty of the French state, which is why old-style conservatives such as the Gaullists have been rather equivocal on the matter of nationalisations.
British conservatism, i.e. the Tory party, has historically been divided into two camps ever since the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846: the usually protectionist, socially conservative set which stems from the High Tories of yore and whose members are mostly public school educated and the socially liberal, laissez-faire set, who come mainly from the middle and working classes.

[Major Robert Dump]

I love the sight and use it all the time. I hired some hookers from it, but they were boring because all they did was missionary. The male massage therapists are cool, though, because they always bring meth. I also sold some guns to Iran the other day, too. Craigslist is so 2008.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Lemur is always there to pounce on and riducule anything that calls istelf "conservative" no matter how small the potatoes. Thank God, because who else would, am I right? :wall:

Thanks for keeping us all up to date on how stupid and out of touch Conservatives are. There are plenty of absurdities going on with people who call themselves "liberal", why can't we have a blanced meal from self-described moderates?

[Whacker]

Lemur is always there to pounce on and riducule anything that calls istelf "conservative" no matter how small the potatoes. Thank God, because who else would, am I right? :wall:

Thanks for keeping us all up to date on how stupid and out of touch Conservatives are. There are plenty of absurdities going on with people who call themselves "liberal", why can't we have a blanced meal from self-described moderates?

Or maybe he's just making fun of a site that's ridiculous and based on ridiculous principles? Just maybe... I know, it's totally unlikely though. Lemur is such a stupid liberal hippy. (heavy sarcasm for those whose meters are broken, Lemur is mah homeboy)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Thanks for keeping us all up to date on how stupid and out of touch Conservatives are. US conservatism has three tendencies:

- Conservatism consideres itself mainstream America. And only conservatism to be mainstream America. All other groups are minorites, special interest groups, effete trust fund liberals.
- Conservatism considers itself to represent tradition, the unchangeable timelessness of American values.
- Conservatism has a centripedal force, it drifts away from the centre of gravity, drifts to the right, gets in the grip of extreme opinion. (For this last, see the 'A problem of shrinkage' thread. US conservatism can get out of touch with moderate America).*

These three tendencies combine into a spectacular brew. It is not mere coincidental, or an isolated occurence, that this Gipper site exists.


Pester Lemur over this thread all you want. But were it not, in this very backroom, that the Conservatives openend themselves a 'Conservative Club'?
I can't be bothered to wade through five hundred backpages, but where you perhaps yourself not a member?



*Allow me to elaborate a bit. All thought that consideres itself to represent purity is centripedal, be it religious or political. This is why religious cults, and dictatorship based on ideology, always ends up in exteremity, followed by inevitable collapse.
The only remedy is contact, to be embedded within other culture, counter-culture, opposition, to remain part of public dialogue.

The intolerance of dissent, of the sobering effect of opposing thought, is why cults end up in mass suicide in a jungle. The murder of dissenting opinion is what gave the Soviet Union Stalinism and eventual collapse. The cries of 'unpattriotism' is what made the Republicans lose Washington.
It didn't matter what was broadcast on Fox, what was discussed in the Conservative Club, what is sold on Gipper. What matters is that this isolation in itself in recent years made Conservatims lose its hold over the American middle class, which is at heart moderate and inclusive.

[ICantSpellDawg]

US conservatism has three tendencies:

- Conservatism consideres itself mainstream America. And only conservatism to be mainstream America. All other groups are minorites, special interest groups, effete trust fund liberals.
- Conservatism considers itself to represent tradition, the unchangeable timelessness of American values.
- Conservatism has a centripedal force, it drifts away from the centre of gravity, drifts to the right, gets in the grip of extreme opinion. (For this last, see the 'A problem of shrinkage' thread. US conservatism can get out of touch with moderate America).*

These three tendencies combine into a spectacular brew. It is not mere coincidental, or an isolated occurence, that this Gipper site exists.


Pester Lemur over this thread all you want. But were it not, in this very backroom, that the Conservatives openend themselves a 'Conservative Club'?
I can't be bothered to wade through five hundred backpages, but where you perhaps yourself not a member?



*Allow me to elaborate a bit. All thought that consideres itself to represent purity is centripedal, be it religious or political. This is why religious cults, and dictatorship based on ideology, always ends up in exteremity, followed by inevitable collapse.
The only remedy is contact, to be embedded within other culture, counter-culture, opposition, to remain part of public dialogue.

The intolerance of dissent, of the sobering effect of opposing thought, is why cults end up in mass suicide in a jungle. The murder of dissenting opinion is what gave the Soviet Union Stalinism and eventual collapse. The cries of 'unpattriotism' is what made the Republicans lose Washington.
It didn't matter what was broadcast on Fox, what was discussed in the Conservative Club, what is sold on Gipper. What matters is that this isolation in itself in recent years made Conservatims lose its hold over the American middle class, which is at heart moderate and inclusive.

Right. Because we started a club house we are on our way to mass suicide. People on the left and on the right think in terms of principle. People toward the center think in terms of practicality. There are examples on all sides that don't think at all. If you can't find the absurdity on the left as well, you are blind or jaded. My point is that when we claim moderation we should do our best to live up to it, even if it goes agaisnt our natural human character (which, across the board, is immoderate).

Again, my point is that it seems too easy to attack the party or principle that is out of power on a regular basis. Where is the moderation in that?

Around the country there is more eye rolling at the administration than in the first 2 years of the Bush debacle. If you ignore the people in power making big mistakes and focus on the people out of power making idiosyncratic moves, something is askew in your concept of moderation. The kid who jumps on the heavy side of the see-saw isn't as respectable as the kid who struggles to get to the high side.

A true "moderate" is always looking to balance the see-saw, because everybody has more fun that way.

[Lord Winter]

The true moderate finds that it is a lot eaiser to stand when they're off the see-saw.