the most dangerous food for men

[Hooahguy]

behold- it is soy! (http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&category=food.for.fitness&conitem=0ad3803313651210VgnVCM10000013281eac____)


The unassuming soybean has silently infiltrated the American diet as what might just be the perfect protein source: It's cheap and vegetarian, and could even unclog our hearts. But there may be a hidden dark side to soy, one that has the power to undermine everything it means to be male.


James Price's breasts had been painful and swollen. It looked as if gum balls were implanted underneath each nipple. The slightest touch triggered throbs.

For Price, a retired U.S. Army intelligence officer who once flew attack helicopters in Vietnam, these changes were more than just physically uncomfortable. "Men aren't supposed to have breasts," he says today in a quiet Texas drawl. "It was like my body was feminizing."

A lean and wiry man, the breast development stood in stark contrast to the rest of his body. But it was not Price's only symptom. His beard growth had slowed, he'd lost hair from his arms, chest, and legs, and he'd stopped waking up with morning erections. "My sexual desire disappeared," he says. "My penis -- I won't say it atrophied, but it was so flaccid that it looked very small in comparison with the way it used to be. Even my emotions changed."

remind me to stop consuming soy. not that i consumed much of it anyhow.

[Veho Nex]

My god... I am doomed when I stay at my moms house. Other than coffee and rock star all I drink is Soy milk (all she buys)

[seireikhaan]

Weird...

I was assuming it would be something more like this (http://www.corndogday.com/node/615).


As for the story, it strikes me as a bit hard to believe.

[Husar]

My secret dreams can come true...

*goes and buys loads of soy milk and soy pudding*

Oh, can it be reverted? :sweatdrop:

[drone]

Lehesu (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=4175) will not be pleased...

[Rhyfelwyr]

Lehesu (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=4175) will not be pleased...

:laugh4:

Check his sig as well, he's not kidding...

[Hooahguy]

My god... I am doomed when I stay at my moms house. Other than coffee and rock star all I drink is Soy milk (all she buys)
tell your mom that unless she wants a girl instead of a boy, buy some non-soy products.

[miotas]

Well soy sauce is just too tasty for me to give up. Guess I'll just have start peeing sitting down...

[Caius]

Why this is not in the backroom?

[Hooahguy]

Why this is not in the backroom?
is it that controversial? thought id put it in a place where most people will see it.

[Fragony]

Take that carrotcrunch-brigades

[Prince Cobra]

That's strange, I like soy sauce (though I have not eaten it recently) + I am confident that many of the Bulgarian salami have a significant quantity of soy in them (though I try to pick better quality ones). I have not witnessed anything strange with me so far. Soy is also a traditional chinese product, I think. Maybe it depends on the soy quality and the extend this "soy" is real soy.

About soy milk... my god... there are so many cows that are waitng to be milked. Don't be cruel!

The real milk is the better choice, I think, unless you are allergic to milk. Personal opinion.

[FactionHeir]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Health_risks

Supposedly nuts are worse.

[Prince Cobra]

Supposedly nuts are worse.


:smash: If you eat them in normal quanitity, they are quite healthy.

[CountArach]

SOYlet Green?

[tibilicus]

Nothing wrong with soy foods. Tofus cheap and high in protein and soy protein powder is cheaper than whey protein powder.

Just a shame near enough all soy foods taste like garbage..

[caravel]

Personally I try to avoid most soya products due to the blatent hypocrisy involved in their production, marketing and consumption. They are mostly consumed by vegetarians - but they they are often manufactured, coloured, flavoured and texturised, to resemble meat products. I find these "textured soya protein" products quite frankly disgusting.

TSP products are supposed to be a better alternative to destroying forests to raise cattle - yet just as many, if not more, forest is destroyed to grow soya bean.

However, most soya bean doesn't go to make veggie products. The majority is used in low grade meat products such as burgers and sausages to add the texture that they would otherwise lack. Another major product is soya flour which is now found in a lot of bread and cakes among other things.

It's the concentrated and processed soya products that are doing the damage overall. Soy Sauce and Tofu have been around for over 2000 years, so it's evident that the modern processing of soya into these so called "textured proteins" and other products is the real issue here.

[Cute Wolf]

AARRRGGGHHHHHH (I eat tofu and tempe nearly everyday.........!!!!!!)

[Celtic_Punk]

good thing i dont touch anyhting vegitarian

[miotas]

So you eat nothing but meat?

[Pannonian]

Personally I try to avoid most soya products due to the blatent hypocrisy involved in their production, marketing and consumption. They are mostly consumed by vegetarians - but they they are often manufactured, coloured, flavoured and texturised, to resemble meat products. I find these "textured soya protein" products quite frankly disgusting.

TSP products are supposed to be a better alternative to destroying forests to raise cattle - yet just as many, if not more, forest is destroyed to grow soya bean.

However, most soya bean doesn't go to make veggie products. The majority is used in low grade meat products such as burgers and sausages to add the texture that they would otherwise lack. Another major product is soya flour which is now found in a lot of bread and cakes among other things.

It's the concentrated and processed soya products that are doing the damage overall. Soy Sauce and Tofu have been around for over 2000 years, so it's evident that the modern processing of soya into these so called "textured proteins" and other products is the real issue here.
I like some soy products, but I don't touch the stuff that's been packaged to look like something else. Soy milk is nice when mixed with a dab of sugar, tofu pudding is delicious whenever I pass Chinatown, and soy beans are an occasional pulse option. Soy beans by themselves don't have much character though, so I mostly prefer other beans.

[TosaInu]

Anything that is consumed too much is bad.

[Hooahguy]

words of wisdom from Tosa.
episode 2 coming soon!

[a completely inoffensive name]

I thought it was going to be from this website:
http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

[miotas]

What's a peanut butter cup?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I thought it was going to be from this website:
http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

Oh man, so much of that just looks incredibly delicious.

CR
But not all of it.

[econ21]

Personally I try to avoid most soya products due to the blatent hypocrisy involved in their production, marketing and consumption.

Um, not sure I see the hypocrisy argument (but then as a pragmatist, I don't understand 99% of hypocrisy arguments). As a veggie, I think killing animals for food is bad and not killing animals is good. So if you can wean people off killing animals to eat by giving something that looks and tastes like what they are used to, that's good, not hypocrisy. Think nicotine patches for smokers, whatever pills they give junkies going cold turkey and comfort blankets for kids scared of sleeping alone for the first time etc. But I guess this is heading off into backroom territory, so I'd better cease and desist.

On a purely culinary level, soya is pretty tasteless (no rival for meat) and depends on a sauce or marinade to be worth eating. Consequently, cooking it as substitute meat is usually playing to its weakness rather than its strength. Except veggie frankfurters, which are near perfect imitations of the "real thing" (I guess because the real thing has about the same amount of soya and barely more meat :laugh4:). Tofu cooked in the many Chinese or other authentic styles can be delicious. I've heard the stuff about soya and hormones before, so I would not dismiss it out of hand - but it won't stop me gobbling down tofu with black bean sauce and other delicacies.

[miotas]

Um, not sure I see the hypocrisy argument (but then as a pragmatist, I don't understand 99% of hypocrisy arguments). As a veggie, I think killing animals for food is bad and not killing animals is good. So if you can wean people off killing animals to eat by giving something that looks and tastes like what they are used to, that's good, not hypocrisy. Think nicotine patches for smokers, whatever pills they give junkies going cold turkey and comfort blankets for kids scared of sleeping alone for the first time etc. But I guess this is heading off into backroom territory, so I'd better cease and desist.

On a purely culinary level, soya is pretty tasteless (no rival for meat) and depends on a sauce or marinade to be worth eating. Consequently, cooking it as substitute meat is usually playing to its weakness rather than its strength. Except veggie frankfurters, which are near perfect imitations of the "real thing" (I guess because the real thing has about the same amount of soya and barely more meat :laugh4:). Tofu cooked in the many Chinese or other authentic styles can be delicious. I've heard the stuff about soya and hormones before, so I would not dismiss it out of hand - but it won't stop me gobbling down tofu with black bean sauce and other delicacies.

Thinking in a purely practical manner carnivorous behaviour is necessary to maintain a balanced ecosystem.

And when it comes to meat substitutes the only type I like is TVP as a substitute for mince. There is nothing really that can match the satisfaction of grabbing a big juicy steak and tearing into it with your teeth(knives and forks are for sissies:grin:).

[caravel]

Um, not sure I see the hypocrisy argument (but then as a pragmatist, I don't understand 99% of hypocrisy arguments).
As for me, I don't label myself as an anything 'ist. I simply investigate the options and use my own judgement and from where I stand those that eat TSPs are really missing the point. If you like meat texture and flavour that much - eat the real thing.


As a veggie, I think killing animals for food is bad and not killing animals is good. So if you can wean people off killing animals to eat by giving something that looks and tastes like what they are used to, that's good, not hypocrisy. Think nicotine patches for smokers, whatever pills they give junkies going cold turkey and comfort blankets for kids scared of sleeping alone for the first time etc. But I guess this is heading off into backroom territory, so I'd better cease and desist.
I think we're looking at it from differing perspectives. You may regard meat eating as a bad habit akin to smoking. I however regard it as necessary to human health and survival. There is much evidence that humans came to be how they are by being predatory. Our brains did not reach this stage of evolution through eating only vegetation. Eating meat and fish is not only beneficial it is necessary. Vegetarian diets are a relatively new idea, so really we haven't seen the true medical effects as yet.

As to the good/bad argument of not killing animals, I would say that you need only look at the ecosystem and how it functions. Animals have predators to control their numbers, without these predators such animals as cattle would explode in numbers and their would not be enough grazing land to sustain them. This would lead to a famine, disease and possibly extinction of the species. Predators control their numbers to prevent this happening. This is why we have a balanced ecosystem that simply "works". It's when man messes with the balance that things start to go wrong.


Tofu cooked in the many Chinese or other authentic styles can be delicious. I've heard the stuff about soya and hormones before, so I would not dismiss it out of hand - but it won't stop me gobbling down tofu with black bean sauce and other delicacies.
Tofu is not the same thing as TSP. It's "bean curd". Black bean sauce is made from fermented black beans and not soya beans.

When I was a teenager, my parents turned vegetarian and that pretty much meant that we had to follow suit. They are still the same today and while they're now healthy enough you have to consider that they had been eating meat for most of their adult lives anyway. Nowadays there are ethical alternatives to intensively reared animals such as free range and organic. What is important is a balanced diet without too much of one thing or too less of another.

[Hax]

Personally I try to avoid most soya products due to the blatent hypocrisy involved in their production, marketing and consumption. They are mostly consumed by vegetarians - but they they are often manufactured, coloured, flavoured and texturised, to resemble meat products. I find these "textured soya protein" products quite frankly disgusting.

I completely agree. I just buy these blocks of tofu (pure and white (that sounded way less racist in my head)) and mix them in the wok.


You know what's dangerous for you?

http://17.media.tumblr.com/i2dw5nf19jwz3df50cp4P6Ieo1_r1_500.jpg


tell your mom that unless she wants a girl instead of a boy, buy some non-soy products.

http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

@Haxios

After checking some literature, south east and far east asians eat soy products daily (including me), and we didn't have any serious problems with our reproductions (at least there was still males), but maybe their arguments against too much soy is about right... as the male : female ratio here is about 1 : 5 (at least in my recent national survey in my area)

[Pannonian]

Tofu is not the same thing as TSP. It's "bean curd". Black bean sauce is made from fermented black beans and not soya beans.

When I was a teenager, my parents turned vegetarian and that pretty much meant that we had to follow suit. They are still the same today and while they're now healthy enough you have to consider that they had been eating meat for most of their adult lives anyway. Nowadays there are ethical alternatives to intensively reared animals such as free range and organic. What is important is a balanced diet without too much of one thing or too less of another.
The difference between tofu and texture substitue products (is that what TSP is?) is that tofu is soy beans that have been processed for easier eating, in the same way that grain is processed into bread to concentrate the edible bits in a smaller package. While I love the silkiness of tofu pudding, tofu skins also have an interesting texture as well as retaining the soya taste (the full-ish slight savouriness of soya milk).

I've been lucky enough to have been brought up on a mixed diet, and an appetite for trying new things whenever I encounter them. While I eat too much, I at least eat a decent balance, so I know when something is too much for me, reflexively turning away from food that is too fatty, too sweet, too salty, and too anything else. I like food that is recognisable for itself, and often pick at a dish, trying to pick out what ingredients have been used and how.

[miotas]

The difference between tofu and texture substitue products (is that what TSP is?) is that tofu is soy beans that have been processed for easier eating, in the same way that grain is processed into bread to concentrate the edible bits in a smaller package. While I love the silkiness of tofu pudding, tofu skins also have an interesting texture as well as retaining the soya taste (the full-ish slight savouriness of soya milk).

I've been lucky enough to have been brought up on a mixed diet, and an appetite for trying new things whenever I encounter them. While I eat too much, I at least eat a decent balance, so I know when something is too much for me, reflexively turning away from food that is too fatty, too sweet, too salty, and too anything else. I like food that is recognisable for itself, and often pick at a dish, trying to pick out what ingredients have been used and how.

TVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein) or TSP stands for textured vegetable/soy protein. I like it because it has a similar texture to mince, but has it's own distinctive and quite nice flavour so it can be used to add variety to meals where you would normally use mince.

[caravel]

The difference between tofu and texture substitue products (is that what TSP is?) is that tofu is soy beans that have been processed for easier eating, in the same way that grain is processed into bread to concentrate the edible bits in a smaller package. While I love the silkiness of tofu pudding, tofu skins also have an interesting texture as well as retaining the soya taste (the full-ish slight savouriness of soya milk).
Tofu is made from soya milk which is in essence a boiled and strained puree of soya beans and water. The Tofu is simply a curd (like a cheese) of the soya milk. As I said earlier it has been around for about 2 millennia.

TVP/TSP on the other hand is a heavily processed by-product that can only be produced by modern industrial food processing methods. It is the dehydrated fibrous mass produced from the lefovers of soya/vegetable oil production - so as you can imagine it's heavily concentrated. It is usually flavoured, coloured and also soaks up oil like a sponge.

Personally I doubt soya products have anything to do with the male to female ratio in some Asian countries. There are probably other, more cultural, reasons behind this.

[Vladimir]

So, is this where I inject the stereotype of Asians and small penises? I remember a thread in the backroom about normal condoms being too big in India. Any relation?

OK, I'm only somewhat serious. This is all unverified new information to me.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, the West is the big consumer of red meat and game, along with Africa, and we also have the steriotype (West & Africa), of being tallest, hariest and manliest.

So I wouldn't be surprised if there was something in this. In general you wouldn't notice the difference Soy makes, but when you concentrate it it becomes much more obvious.

[Maion Maroneios]

No guys, it's McDonald's. Period. And I hate clowns.

Maion