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[OOC: This is an in character thread for deliberations of members and patrons of the Order of the Fleur de Lys. Please do not post in it unless you wish to swear the Oath to Chivalry, to join the Order or are a member of the Order. OOC and IC inquires about the Order can be sent by PM to econ21]
The Order of the Fleur de Lys
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La Patrie En Danger!
Soldiers of France! Our enemies are mobilising - even now they are massing on our borders! Every man capable of bearing arms must rally to the King!
Nobles of France! The people look to you for leadership! Swear an oath to chivalry! Let all know the code by which you will live.
Knights of France! Join the Order of the Fleur de Lys! We are a band of brothers, who will fight together to defend France! We are a company who offer our services to the King and to any Duc in need! Members of all Houses and none are welcome to join our ranks!
The Oath to Chivalry
I) To fear God and maintain His Church
II) To serve your Liege in valour and faith
III) To protect the weak and defenceless
IV) To never attack an unarmed foe
V) To speak truthfully at all times
VI) To never abandon a comrade
VII) To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Distinguished Patrons
King Phillipe - - Tristan de Castlereng (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23135")
Prince Louis (Aquitaine) - Ramses II CP (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=24582")
Duc Hugues de Champagne (Lorraine) - Overknight (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=21979") (deceased)
Duc Raymond de Provence (Bourgogne) - Cecil XIX (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=14124")
Duc Alain de Rohan (Bretagne) - AussieGiant (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11338")
Officers
Captain: Prince Henri
Steward: Gaspard de Neufville
Lieutenant: Alexandre Le Sueur
Members
Hermant Mauvoisin (Bourgogne) - econ21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=5907")
* Simon de Montpierre - Ituralde (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=17117")
Eloi de Montferrat - TheLemongate (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=28546") (retired)
Gaspard de Neufville (Bourgogne) - Ignoramus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=10336")
* Alexandre Le Sueur (Bretagne) - Marcus Agrippa (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=28553")
Robert Bouchart (Bretagne) - Northnovas (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=15760") (deceased)
* Prince Henri (Lorraine) - Braden (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=11909")
Gaetan de Rethel (Acquitaine) - YLC (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=20567")
* Gauthier de Beauvais - Northnovas (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=15760")
* = on active duty.
Charter of the Order of the Fleur de Lys
Aims
1. The Order is a company of knights formed to fight for France. Its goal is the protecting the welfare of the French people in accordance with the standards of chivalry.
2. Members of the Order will seek to fight together where possible, but offer their services wherever there is most need.
Duties
1. Order members must fight for the good of the people of France above all.
2. Order members must serve their King as their ultimate authority and any liege they swear fealty to.
3. Order members must respond to calls for help whenever the country is in danger.
4. Order members must swear an Oath to Chivalry
Membership
1. Any noble of France may apply to join the Order.
2. Applications will be discussed at Order sessions and, if there is opposition, subject to a simple vote.
3. Between sessions, the Captain may accept applications as provisional members.
4. Members can be expelled for conduct unbefitting of an Order member by a 2/3 majority at an Order session.
Leadership
1. Every session of Council, members of the Order will elect a Captain from its ranks.
2. A Captain cannot immediately stand for re-election, but can stand at later sessions.
3. Should an Order member ride with the Captain, they agree to serve under his command.
4. The Captain may ride with another noble and agree that he, and all members with him, serve under that noble's command.
5. The Captain has a casting vote at Order sessions.
6. On assuming the position, the Captain will immediately choose a Lieutenant as his second in command. The Lieutenant will assume the duties of the Captain if the Captain falls, resigns or is otherwise incapacitated.
7. At the end of his term of office, just before each regular Conseil session, the Order Captain must appoint an Order Steward. "
Order sessions
1. Each session of Council there will also be a session of the Order. Members of the Order may vote by simple majority to decide how Order units be deployed and any Order land used.
2. Between sessions of the Council, the Captain will make any day to day decisions.
3. If half the membership of the Order petition for it, an emergency session of the Order will be called where members can vote on policy or Charter amendments.
4. The Charter can be amended by a two-thirds majority of Order members.
Land and units given to the Order
1. Members of the Order may freely possess their own lands and military units; units under their personal command will not have their ownership transferred if stationed in Order lands or serving in the Order Company.
2. Any land given to the Order will be formally owned by the Order Steward.
3. Ownership of Order land can only be transferred when the Order Steward leaves office, when it must be passed to the next Steward.
4. Any units given to the Order, recruited from its settlements or assigned by the Seneschal to garrison its lands will be formally owned the Order Captain.
5. Ownership of Order units can only be transferred when the Captain leaves office, when they must be passed to the next Captain.
Hermant Mauvoisin stands before the few knights in front of him and solemnly intones:
As God is my witness, I swear:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Brother knights, I am honoured to join you in this company - the Order of the Fleur de Lys.
OverKnight
07-20-2009, 23:51
Hugues enters and surveys the room, a servants lingers behind him.
Well, the first thing we should do is get some better digs, isn't there supposed to be some sort of round table?
The servant leans in and whispers something to Hugues.
Right!
The Duc straightens up and solemnly intones:
I vow to:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
So help me God.
The moment passed, Hugues resumes his usual mien.
Well I think that calls for a drink.
Gaetan de Rethel stands, a look of determination upon his face, and he speaks with fervor.
I vow to:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valor and faith
To protect the weak and defenseless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
It is good to be amongst you brother knights! A drink for me as well my Duc!
OverKnight
07-21-2009, 00:07
Hugues snaps his fingers and his servant proffers a few bottles and glasses.
Ah, here we are.
He offers a glass of wine to Gaeten.
Good to see you here, Sir.
Hugues raises a glass to his lips, but then stops and glances at Hermant.
We can have a drink correct? It isn't one those orders is it? Defending the innocent is all fine and good, but a life without wine would be unthinkable.
Ituralde
07-21-2009, 02:19
Simons face lights up as he hears the vows that he had thought about for so long repetead in front of him. He is a small man and the trimmed moustache only accentuates the weasel like features of his face. But for now he is happy. With confidence ringing in every syllable he intones proudly.
I, Simon de Montpierrem, swear:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Comrades in Arms, I am honoured by your presence here.
He bows to the Duc.
And of course it is a special honour to have the Lord of Champagne with us.
He raises a goblet himself.
And while our aspirations are high this definetly isn't one of those Orders.
The Lemongate
07-21-2009, 03:37
Eloi de Montferrat stands proudly before the assembled knights:
I, Eloi de Montferrat, solemnly swear:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Pour la France mes amis!
Cecil XIX
07-21-2009, 05:56
In the name of the Lord I, Raymond de Provence, hereby swear
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Gentlemen, here's to auspicious beginnings!
AussieGiant
07-21-2009, 08:03
In the name of the Lord, I, Alain de Rohan, hereby swear;
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Excellent work. This is going to be outstanding!!
Ignoramus
07-21-2009, 09:01
Gaspard de Neufville wanders in, shortly after the entrance of his Duc. At the sight of the Duc d' Bretagne, a slight frown forms upon his face.
"I am concerned about the character of the Duc d' Bretagne. I have heard reports of questionable behaviour down at one of the city's taverns. I trust the Duc will be willing to answer such reports? I am sure they must be misfounded, but I wish to make certain.
However, that aside, I will willingly swear the oath.
Before God who is my witness, I solemnly swear:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal."
AussieGiant
07-21-2009, 09:09
"Ah Gaspard. 'ow bought you relax a little and wipe the frown off your face. You look like you 'ave a lance up your a'se."
Marcus Agrippa
07-21-2009, 10:51
Alexandre Le Sueur enters and surveys the assembled knights proudly.
In the name of the Lord, I, Alexandre Le Sueur, hereby swear;
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
I will proundly call all of you brother and stand by you in the darkest of times.
For the King and for France!
Ignoramus
07-21-2009, 10:54
Gaspard turns coldly to the Duc d' Bretagne.
I will kindly ask you to withdraw that offensive mark. I would have expected better of one who has pledged to uphold the virtues of chivalry.
OverKnight
07-21-2009, 11:28
Hugues looks confused.
Whats all this then? Sir Gaspard, you're saying carousing in a tavern is "questionable behavior"? There's nothing in the Oath or Charter that covers that. It's not like Duc Alain is building a pyramid out of the skulls of women and orphans or strutting about in obsidian armor.
Seems like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Hermant takes Gaspard aside and whispers earnestly to him. He then stands between the knight and the Duc of Bretagne, bowing to the latter.
"Duc, I am delighted that you come before us. It is a most welcome honour and we are in your debt. Please, avail yourself of all our hospitality."
He turns to Gaspard, beseeching:
"Brother knight, the Duc's remark was merely in jest and was not meant to impugn your honour. Please, come with me and let us drink to your joining the Company."
AussieGiant
07-21-2009, 12:57
Nodding back at Hermant the young Duke seems annoyed, his normally pleasant and airy demeanour is replaced by controlled fury.
"I'm not sure what you are playing at Gaspard, but stepping in here and questioning my behaviour seems a little provocative. Perhaps you need some perspective!!?"
The words boom across the room, followed by a moments silence.
Cracking his neck in tension, his face returns to its boyish form, his manner again light, even flippant.
"Get yourself w'ore and work out some of your tension Neu'ville. The ride seems to 'ave addled your brains."
Ituralde
07-21-2009, 13:24
Gentlemen, I am honoured by all of your support, but we shouldn't desolve into infighting on our first day.
The issue does raise some questions which we should solve. We have all here sworn the Oath in front of God and our comrades. It shold be our duty then to guide our comrades in standing firm in the upcoming times and hold true to the words that were spoken here today. We should agree on passing judgement, together as equal Knights towards another equal Knight should he go astray and betray the Oath he has sworn here today.
I don't imply that anything like that is about to happen here. This is merely a misunderstanding between two of our members that should be solved between them as virtuous Knights as they are without consequence. But we can not tolerate one member tarnishing the reputation of everyone here.
Ignoramus
07-21-2009, 13:25
Gaspard turns to the Duc, this time with a bemused expression.
I do not know how you became Duc, but one thing is for certain, you have not learned to respect your elders or those who have proved themselves in battle.
I only questioned your behaviour, and I granted you full benefit of the doubt and the chance for you to explain. Taking me flippantly, with rather coarse language is unbecoming of your position.
I hope that some time on campaign will help you see that respect is important - even of the English.
AussieGiant
07-21-2009, 13:40
A smile spreads across the young mans face.
"You open your mouth Gaspard and nothing but vile and 'atred spews forth.
The qualities of jealousy, lack of respect and of course personal insults seem to be your forte.
The delusion you are living seems to indicate that I need to explain myself to you about some unexplained be'aviour, which of course only you seem to be aware of as you have failed to explain to anyone else except yourself.
W'en you 'ave managed to make sense to someone I'll be more than 'appy to discuss your problems my friend.
Until that time may I suggest you go and provoke a small dog, it might be more enjoyable to t'ose w'o wish to listen."
Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion and partial disdain.
"Gentlemen, Simon de Montpierre has a point - cease this pointless bickering. What goes on now between the two of you, is what has divide France for hundreds of years. For once, let us put France and her people ahead of our own concerns, and unite under the Oriflamme."
Nobles, brother knights! Peace! We have two purposes here in this place, two purposes which - while linked - are distinct.
The first is to swear an Oath to Chivalry. This is open to all and its observance is between each oath-maker and God. Merely swearing such an Oath does not open a man to our investigations or accusations over his conduct in taverns or private life.
The second is to form a company of knights to fight for France. In this endeavour, all knights must swear the Oath to Chivalry but not all who swear the Oath must join. In this company - this Order - there will be more duties and obligations than mere observance of the Oath. And we will be aswerable to each other for any untoward behaviour, although we have yet to finalise the details under our Charter.
I propose that the Ducs who swear the Oath be regarded as patrons of the Order. They must put the defence of their Duchies first and will not be expected to ride with our company. The company may, of course, seek to ride with them if their Duchies find themselves hard pressed. As our patrons, they will doubtless honour their Oath to Chivalry but will not be subject to any further strictures or obligations we may decide Order members should observe.
For the knights who wish to join the Order, I propose a voluntary fellowship. They may ride together for the King and country as a company of knights - let us call this body of men the Company of the Fleur de Lys. [OOC: the Company will be a group of knights who move together as part of a stack in the campaign map.] Or they may ride separately with their Ducs. Depending on our numbers, we may be able to organise “tours of duty” to allow all to fulfil their obligations to their Houses and still to actively participate in the Company.
For my part, I do not yet have a House and will ride with the Company in the coming campaign, whatever form it takes. I would ask my brother knights for their intentions in this matter - during the period after the Council session, do they wish to ride with me as part of a Company or to they wish to take some leave from the Company to ride with their Ducs? This matter need not be decided yet - it may depend on the precise nature of any campaigns France undertakes -but it is one that merits some thought even now.
Ramses II CP
07-21-2009, 15:05
Prince Louis enters the chamber entirely unannounced and glances around at those present. With a nod that seems mostly to himself he makes the sign of the cross with a practiced gesture. Then, placing his right hand on the pommel of his sword, he kneels and recites the oath in a heartfelt tone of voice,
Before the Allmighty I vow;
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Rising the Prince then addresses the group,
"I cannot commit myself to true membership in the Order for reasons which I trust are obvious, but this oath and the idea of a free company of knights who ride for the King are of such importance that they must be supported. Know that for my part you have the good will and best wishes of the royal family. If the Order is ever in need of aid merely ask and what can be done, will.
Unfortunately I cannot stay to enjoy the company, but hold your heads high mighty knights of the realm, and prepare for war. Dark days are coming, days when this code and your brothers in arms may be all that preserve your own lives and the very nation of France. Be ready."
With that the Prince makes a point of seeking eye contact with Hermant Mauvoisin and giving him a respectful nod before departing as quickly as he came.
:egypt:
Hermant bows low to the departing Prince and then turns to the remaining nobility, an expression of surprise quickly replaced by a confident smile:
Ducs and brother knights, this is a greater success of our opening than we could have wished! All four of the Kingdom's Duchies have endorsed our endeavour. Surely, we may now petition the King with confidence!
Hermant grabs a quill and begins to scribble in large untidy script a list of names
Distinguished Patrons
Prince Louis (Aquitaine) - Ramses II CP
Duc Hugues de Champagne (Lorraine) - Overknight
Duc Raymond de Provence (Bourgogne) - Cecil XIX
Duc Alain de Rohan (Bretagne) - AussieGiant
Members
Hermant Mauvoisin - econ21
Gaeten de Rethel (Lorraine) - YLC
Simon de Montpierre - Ituralde
Eloi de Montferrat - the Lemongate
Gaspard de Neufville (Bourgogne) - Ignoramus
Alexandre Le Sueur (Bretagne) - Marcus Agrippa
Of which, volunteering to serve in the Company for the coming campaign:
Hermant Mauvoisin
…
He flourishes the document around the room:
Is this an accurate list? Are we all content?
Hermant looks in particular at Gaspard, then returns to scan the entire room:
And who will join me in the Company for the first campaign? [OOC: i.e. who will stack together as a Company and be deployed together in the next 10 turns.]
OverKnight
07-21-2009, 15:53
Hugues shakes his head and smiles.
The Dauphin is full of surprises isn't he?
He turns to Hermant.
Well, it seems everything is under control, I'm going to go before I'm accosted for my unseemly behavior or harangued by mysterious nameless Knights emerging from the shadows.
If Gaeten wishes to join the Company for this campaign, he has my blessing.
Let me know if the Order needs anything.
The Duc nods and leaves.
Cecil XIX
07-21-2009, 16:00
I do not believe that now is the appropriate time for Chevaliers to decide whether they will campaign with the Order. That decision will be dictated in large part by where they are likely to be campaigning, which for now we can only guess at. I suggest that for the moment we formalize the character and continue accepting recruits, then discussing campaigning concurrently with the Conseil.
Hermant bows before the Duc of Bourgogne:
My Lord, your wisdom guides us. You are quite right. Let us put aside the issue of deployment until we know more of the Kingdom's plans.
Hermant takes the quill and hastily strikes out the last two lines on the parchment.
Ituralde
07-21-2009, 19:22
Simon turns the goblet around in his hand thoughtfully. Ever since the Prince had come and left again so quickly is brow had beend slightly furrowed.
"Maybe there should be someone who watches that we keep that Oath. Otherwise it is no more than an empty husk. Just words derived of meaning.
He turns toward Hermant.
You know how important that is to me. I can see where it could cause difficulties though. But just because it isn't practical does not mean that I like it.
He gazes towards the door for a moment staring at it silently. Then shrughs, and with a smile empties his goblet in gulp!
It will be an honour for me to ride with you into battle, Hermant! I know that the Council might change some things, but for those of us who have not sworn directly to one of the Dukes it should be achievable. Of course should the King require us to separate I would do so.
Hermant bows to Simon.
It will be an honour to ride with you, brother knight! I would hope that we can persuade at least two others to join us on the coming campaign.
He sits down beside Simon.
On the keeping of the Oath, we have a provision in the draft Charter to expel members whose conduct is unbefitting on a 2/3 vote. Is that sufficient or do we require additional rules?
For my part, I would prefer to keep our Charter simple and I would be wary of entrusting any one man with the power to scrutinise our personal conduct. But now is the time to discuss this and any other aspects of our draft Charter.
Ituralde
07-21-2009, 20:41
No you are right. That is more than sufficient. I would settle for nothing less than a unanimous vote to be honest, but the Charter is fine as is.
Loup de Gisors opens the door and approaches, kneeling down.
I vow to:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valor and faith
To protect the weak and defenseless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Marcus Agrippa
07-22-2009, 00:19
Alexandre Le Sueur stands and raises his goblet
"My brothers in arms ans honour let us toast this great beginning and pleadge to fight our common enemies and not each other. We still have a country to unite and the English to fend off, least they hear us and think they can divide us"
"For France and her noble king and knights, may they create a kingdom that will challenge the world and serve god on earth!"
Welcome, Chevalier de Gisors! We are honoured to have you join the Order!
Hermant excitedly writes another name on the parchment. Then he sits back and pulls out a letter in his pocket and slowly, deliberately begins to re-write the original parchment in a fairer hand.
[EDIT:] Disturbed from his laborious writing by the round of cheers and celebrations, Hermant hurriedly grabs his tankard and belatedly joins in Alexandre's toast:
"For France and her King!"
Hermant finishes transcribing the Order documents into a fashionable Gothic script and then looks around. The tavern that has served as the venue for the first order meeting is emptying and few knights proper remain. Hermant rises to his feet and addresses the remaining audience:
Brothers, we have had a successful first day as an Order! To have attracted seven knights and all four Dukes to this cause is a greater achievement than I had dared imagine!
But now, brothers, we have some serious work to do. We must formalise this company - agree its rules and see it properly constituted. Therefore, I propose that the seven knights who have come together this day be regarded as the founder members of the Order. I ask them each to study the draft Charter of the Order carefully. I propose we put aside two days for debate over the contents of the Charter, so that we may discuss any amendments they wish to make. Then, at the end of that period, we will vote on whether to accept the document we have produced as our Charter. For the purposes of amendments and accepting the Charter, if we are unable to achieve a consensus, I propose we resolve disagreements by a simple majority vote of founder members. It is better to have some Charter than none at all.
I do not expect our distinguished patrons, the Ducs, to be involved in this donkey work of scrutinising arid text. But we will greatly appreciate any recommendations or suggestions that they may make.
We will continue to accept applications for membership of the Order, although existing members may request a vote on any new admission if they have reason to question the character of the applicant. Any new applicants who are admitted before our Charter is finalised will also be treated as founder members and have a right to participate in all constitutional decision-making.
Any knight is of course free to enter these chambers and swear the Oath to Chivalry with no obligation to join the Order. Their solemn vows will be a matter of rejoicing amongst us and we will wish them every success both in the tourney field and in the darker campaigns soon to come.
Ituralde
07-22-2009, 02:20
You already know what I think of the Charter. I accept it as it is now written. This has truly been more succesful than I imagined. This bodes well for the future of France and I am glad to see so many honest and virtuous men around me. It will be an honour to fight you at the tournaments and an even greater to fight with you against our enemies!
Hermant Mausvoisin's page enters the tavern that is serving as the Order's temporary headquarters. It is deserted - all the men are at the tournament. The page pins a coat of arms to the main parchment identifying the Oath to Chivalry and the Draft Charter.
"Flowery order" the page chuckles to himself and runs out to return to watch the tournament.
Hermant's page walks sulking into the tavern, knocking over a bar stool in his anger and scaring the cat. He walks over to the main piece of parchment and with a cursory scribble, crossing out the "Draft" on "Draft Charter of the Order".
"Stupid Hermant! He gets to whack people in the tournament, I have to do the paperwork."[/i]
Ituralde
08-05-2009, 12:12
"I propose a toast to those among us who have participated so successfully at the Tournament! Our dearest patron Alain de Rohan has won through his valouros charge, while the knights Mauvoisin and le Sueur came in second and third. What further prove do we need that chivalry and martial prowess go hand in hand!"
He nods statisfied.
"While I didn't see everything during the opening stage my early capture gave me the opportunity to observe our fellow knights. Most of them have adhered to the Code of Chivalry though some couldn't resist the opportunity to use their numbers against a single opponent. All in all I am proud to be a member of this Order and look forward to fight alongside you in the upcoming campaigns!"
Hermant temporarily looks discomforted by Simon's words, but then rises to acknowledge the toast:
"Here, here!"
He then shifts and his tone changes:
"Gentlemen, the Council session has opened so now we too can use this moment of reflection to decide the Order's priorities for the coming ten seasons.
I propose that we form a company, composed of at least four brother knights with one of them in command as its captain. We need a formation of such a size for our Order to have any military weight within the Kingdom. We therefore face three questions:
First, who will ride with the company?
Second, where will the company be deployed?
And third, who will be captain of the company?
On the first question, I believe Simon and I have already indicated our intention to ride with the company. Are there any other brother knights among us who will join? The commitment is for the next ten campaigning seasons, but it will be a bond of fellowship only. Brothers will be free to leave the company at will - for example, if their Duchy requires their assistance - but so long as they remain part of the company, they should follow the Captain and fight together for France.
On the second question, I propose that initially we act as reinforcements for the Seneschal's army, supporting its maneouvres. Let us gather in Ille De France (OOC: ask Zim to spawn your avatar there if you wish to ride with the company. Lacking any infantry of our own, the Company is currently unable to fight autonomously against most threats so we can only support Royal or Duchal armies. At the Captain's discretion, we may redeploy elsewhere - for example, if the Seneschal requires knights elsewhere on the front or if a particular Duchy comes under threat. While we have the luxury of time to debate deployment now, when the campaigning season starts we must have a chain of command and the Captain should have operational control of the Company.
On the third question, I nominate Simon for election to the post of Captain. Simon, will you accept the nomination and stand? Any other brother knight may contest the post, but they should be drawn from those riding with the company for the next ten seasons. The office is for ten seasons only - by our Charter, at the next Council session, we must elect a different Captain.
Gentlemen, I ask for your opinions on these three questions and any others you may have relevant to the Council session and the following term of the Seneschal."
"I to support Simon as our Captain, and would ride with the Company once Bruges is secure. The Germans will move on it soon, and it is a powerful point whence we can starve the English in the Royaume of men and supplies, while acting as a possible staging ground to strike at London, heart of the English Crown. I plan to take it within a two seasons with Bertin's help and the men available to my Duchy."
Ituralde
08-06-2009, 07:04
I had hoped you would get notifications about this:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=189
Maybe something to keep in mind next time.
Brothers, I am honoured by your support and accept your support for the position of Captain. In the interest of fairness I would like to see another candidate step forward so we have competition for the post and will strive to do our best. Maybe one of our successful tourney entries will lead us? They would have my support.
I agree that we should gather in France. We are still an unknown though and I don't know whether any Seneshal would realize our true potential right from the start. Maybe we should take up a course of our own to prove our worth in battle. You said that we can hardly hope to act alone, but we could throw our support behind one of the proposed campaigns of the Council. What do you think about reinforcing Saint Armand in capturing Metz? We could get the required Edict to pass and then join in the fighting, making Metz the first test of our fighting strength.
"Interesting proposal - should we then march upon Bruges? It is in my mind that maybe Bruges should remain a neutral staging ground for the Order should it be captured - it stands in the way of both English and German forces, making it a heated conflict zone that should be best left outside of House politics. Bruges as the main center of defense against English reinforcement seems reasonable to me, and it should end the debate on which House it rightfully belongs to."
"However, gaining land does make the Order a political entity, and I am worried that we may be dragged into interhouse bickering simply for holding it. We could sign a possible agreement with the King to preserve it's neutrality. Thought fellow brothers?"
Gaetan seems to ponder for a moment. "I may be a bit hotheaded for suggesting such, but if you truly wish for competition Simon, I shall throw my hat into the ring as well."
Ituralde
08-06-2009, 08:18
You have my support Gaetan de Rethel.
I may have worded my proposal badly. The main goal of this first campaign would not be to gain land, but to gain notice throughout the Realm as an efficient fighting force. Bruges is as good a goal as any, but we can only support and need other men to give more weight to our attack.
"I was thinking of having the Order take both Metz and Bruges and using Bruges as a base for further operations, and using it as a neutral staging ground. However, my Duc may object to not having Flanders within his realm so I am at a loss - still, Bruges must be taken, or Paris and our effort in the interior of the Royaume may be placed in grave danger, no matter whom controls it."
Brother Simon - I agree with your initial proposal, given the King's words in Council supporting the attack on Metz would be the logical first step for the Order. Provided Thomas can be persuaded to wait long enough for us to ride from Paris... What happens next we might even leave to the discretion of the Captain, although further discussion is certainly wise.
Brother Gaetan, you are welcome to run for Captain, but to do so I think you would have to commit to ride with the Company for the next ten seasons. I would not like to leave the Company leaderless even for a short period when another such as Simon is available to lead. Earlier you spoke of marching first with your Duke, so this may require some negotiation with him. If the Company were to support your Duke's march, there need be no conflict and I would not be opposed to that. Both brother knights and Dukes will have to become accustomed to satisfying obligations to both House and Order, but with good will on both sides, I cannot see this being a problem. After all, we already serve King, France and God without seeing a conflict.
Ignoramus
08-06-2009, 10:56
I am also willing to nominate for Captain. I wholeheartedly believe Brother Simon would be an excellent captain, but I will also run in order to give the Order a greater scope.
A competition is always healthy, Gaspard.
To reinforce my earlier words about membership of the Order being fully compatible with membership of a House, I have offered my services to the Duke of Burgundy. I discussed my being on active duty with the Company before making my oath to him and I believe we can make the arrangement work.
I would like to propose we formalise things a little. Each Council session, I propose that Order members declare themselves available for active duty with the Order or on reserve duty. Those on active duty are expected to ride immediately to their Captain and to serve with him, unless some pressing matter - such as defence of their Duchy - arise. Those on reserve duty will not be counted as members of the Company, but are free to ride with them or not as they please.
A member may chance their duty status at any time - we are a band of brothers, bound only by fellowship - but while on active duty should obey their Captain in operational matters. (OOC: move in his stack or under his direction).
The Captain is expected to be on active duty throughout the ten seasons. Should he have to depart the Company, he must resign his post immediately so that a replacement on active duty be found.
If we have sufficient numbers, I envisage rotating tours of duty so that a member is on active duty for ten seasons and then on reserve for the next ten. That way, we may actively serve both the Order and our Dukes. However, I would like to see the Company of knights on active duty at least four knights strong at all times.
I will maintain a log of each member's status (patron Dukes will not need to declare their status).
Simon and I have already declared we will be on active duty for the next ten seasons. By your candidatures for Captain, Gaetan and Gaspard, are you also declaring that you will be on active duty?
Ignoramus
08-06-2009, 11:40
I will be ready to ride with the Company as soon as the conseil session is concluded. I am sure mon Duc can spare me, for our Duchie is well protected.
Ituralde
08-06-2009, 11:42
Glad to have you aboard Gaspard!
Indeed, well met, Gaspard!
On another matter, I wonder if there are any nobles of France not yet in the Order we should approach to join us? I would welcome your thoughts on this in private (OOC: started membership drive thread in social group).
Marcus Agrippa
08-06-2009, 14:17
I will join the company and run for position of captain.
As for the matter of Metz I wait for the Kings approval.
de Gisors will support any of the efforts the Order of the Fleur de Lys finds worthy of supporting. However, just make sure de Gisors gets on the boat for the Holy Land when such a time arises.
Yes, brother de Gisors - a crusade to the Holy Land would be an opportunity I would also find irresistable. But for now, do I take it that you wish to be on active duty?
If the first venture of the Order is to support Thomas's march on Metz, perhaps we should muster in Rheims rather than Paris?
"Brothers - I have come to the conclusion, based upon Metz's defenses, that I and one other can handle the whole of it's garrison. In this, yes, I shall ride with the Order, but I and Thomas shall take Metz, while you head north to Bruges, and together, with either the support of my Duc or the King, we shall take it. From their , we shall be vigilant and insure the sanctity of Rennes, and come swiftly to Duc Alain's help if it is needed."
"Is this plan acceptable to my fellow members?"
Brother Gaetan, your boldness is impressive but I do not believe your proposed course of action is wise. There are three hundred and three score rebels defending Metz and you propose to take it with a mere two score men? This is recklessness. Far better that your Duc bring his infantry and the entire Company of the Order move on the settlement in mutual support, to fight at more even odds. There is no need for your extreme proposed course of action. We are a military order and should fight strategically, not a band of berserkers. I do not wish to see any member of the Order fight in a way that unnecessarily endangers the life of his men. We will take risks when we must but should use every advantage when we can.
I suspect we may not reach a consensus on the exact course of action but I sense a general agreement that the first priority of the Company is to support the King's will and return Metz to the fold. Therefore, I suggest that Simon, I and whoever else wishes to be on active duty muster at Reims rather than Paris. It seems there is some urgency to the march on Metz, so starting out from Paris may render us irrelevant.
We now have four candidates to Captain the Order - Simon, Gaetan, Gaspard and Alexandre. I propose that whichever is elected be allowed to decide exactly how to deploy the Company against Metz and subsequently. In this, I would urge them to liase closely with the the King and the Dukes as lacking infantry, our Company will fare best when fighting in cooperation with their armies. When our Company maybe only four brother knights and their retinues, I am uneasy at dividing it as Gaetan proposes, but if he is elected our Captain, then I believe we should allow him the operational freedom to deploy the Company as he sees fit.
As a matter of routine, the deadline for nominations to Captain will be the same as that for the Seneschal and Order voting will be simultaneous with Council votes.
"I understand your concerns Brother Hermant, but it is not reckless at all, but rather an esteemed estimate of the overall strength of Metz. I could take it by myself, but run the risk of defeat, whereas with two men, I assure you, I cannot be defeated. The only threat is their mailed knights, and with swift action, I can crush them between two charges. The Town Militia and archers are of no true consequence, and once the knights guarding Metz are defeated and captured, they will fall easily and quickly."
"This I promise, this I can assure the entire Order. Thomas and I can handle Metz, there is no doubt of that at all."
Alphonse la Hire enters
Greetings to all. I've recently heard of your splendid idea to form this company. While I do not wish to join at the moment I would like to give the Oath of Chivalry.
Drawing his sword and pointing it towards the ceiling he recites:
Now all hear this!
I vow:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valor and faith
To protect the weak and defenseless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Sheathing his sword again he takes a look around.
Don't you think it awkward that the preferred venue to give the oath is an inn? I'm sure a more... suitable place could be found here. And shouldn't a priest administer the oath, eh? Anyway, by your leave, I have other things to attend to. Au revoir.
Northnovas
08-06-2009, 23:53
Gentleman, I have accepted your invitation to join such an esteem group and will join the Order. for King and France!
Hermant embraces Robert, perhaps over-enthusiastically:
"Fantastic! You are most welcome. Now we are a round eight members. We are soon to seek an audience with the King to gain his endorsement - you will join us?
Please drink - make yourself at home.
Now, let me ask - do you wish to ride with the Company at the start or do you have other obligations you wish to attend to? I am keeping a register of those on active duty for the coming term of the Seneschal. For my part, I will ride with the Company for this term but next term am inclined to go on reserve duty and see if there is work for me in Burgundy. I think such rotations would suit vassals whose Dukes expect to see activity. Ha, listen to me talk - I talk too much. Only Thierry and myself appreciate it. Please make yourself at home"
Northnovas
08-07-2009, 03:26
Robert gets himself some refeshment, smiling at the enthusiastic welcome.
I appreciate the offer to ride and feel that I maybe missing out on some action but I have important personal matters to complete. As I explained to my Duke it may be several seasons before I can full commit myself to the task at hand. I am sure you can understand.
When my business is finished I will see who needs my services the Duke or the Order and shall heed the call. For the time being I think I will return to Bretagne after I have had some time to socialize with my brothers and enjoy the excellent drink and food being offered.
I am a man of my word, I didn't give my word to the Order on a whim, I shall go with any man I can muster, to enlighten the rebels for the greater glory of France. I am preparing my saddle as we speak.
Ituralde
08-07-2009, 07:59
Simon nods towards Alphonse la Hire.
I am honoured to have you take the Oath. We are but a small company for now. Once we grow I am sure more suitable lodgings can be found.
He then turns towards Robert Bouchart.
Welcome to the Order Brother Bouchart! I am glad to see...
Simon is interupted by a messenger that comes towards him. Simon seems to recognize the man and begins to frown. After a short hushed conversation the two men embrace curtly. Simon fumbles the letter that was given to him for a moment, staring off into space, before he finally opens and reads it. After a short contemplation he reads it once more, then again. Finally he looks up and turns to the other members of the Order.
The Lord have mercy! Grave times have befallen my family. My father passed away. It was... unexpected. I apologize to all of you. I.. I am the eldest son. It's not that simple though. I..
He looks flustered for a moment then visibly composes himself.
Brother Hermant. I regret to inform you that I will be on reserve duty for the upcoming season. I will also have to withdraw my candidacy for the position of Captain. I know this comes at a bad time, but I have to deal with this personally. Once I am finished I will return to you as fast as I can. I wish you all God's favour in the near future. Serve the King, serve France!
Hermant rushes into the Order headquarters:
Brothers! It appears our priorities are changed - the King has requested that we accompany him to Bruges! Surely we cannot refuse. Gaeten may wish to still ride with his Duke to Metz - and given my earlier offer to the Duke of Company support, I would encourage this - but I would that any other knight who can ride with the King.
Marcus Agrippa
08-07-2009, 20:14
I shall ride With the King to Burges.
As shall I, in the confidence my Duc and Thomas can easily handle Metz.
Excellent - I would much prefer to see our Company fight united and what better start than to ride out with our King!
Marcus Agrippa
08-08-2009, 00:09
We ride from Paris then?
Personally, I have made arrangements to begin the campaigning season at Reims. I think that will serve as well as Paris. Whoever is elected Captain can liase with the King so that our company makes a rendezvous with him outside Bruges.
OOC: I've already changed my starting settlement once with Zim and Reims is in reach of Bruges, so I won't change it again. Whoever is elected Captain is going to have to work closely with the leaders of the Kingdoms armies to set up battles etc. To be honest, if it were me, on the first turn, I would just let Tristan move our Company but it won't be my call.
OOC: Players on active duty will have to give the Captain of the Order permission to move their avatar in the orders thread. That's the idea of being on active duty - we move as a single stack, the Order Company.
OOC:
For simplicity, we can determine who is on active duty from the orders thread - if you say your avatar can be moved by the Captain, you are on active duty. To facilitate coordination - e.g. with the King over Bruges - allowing the Captain to move your avatar will also include giving him the power to delegate moving the Company to another player; e.g. he may authorise Tristan to move the stack to join the King's attack on Bruges.
From the OOC thread:
Econ: I was going to do it last week, but then my download ran out and it's going really slowly until tomorrow, when it starts another month. Sorry about that, but as I'm unlikely to be fighting a battle in the first turn or so, I should have everything installed before I'm required to access the save.
To act as Captain (ie move the Company stack), you will need to have installed the mod.
When the Council closes, I will make a poll for Captain from those on active duty with the mod installed. So please could you let me know when you have installed the mod, Ignoramus. And together with YLC please post in the Orders thread that the Company captain is authorised to move your avatar. Thanks. :bow:
Ignoramus
08-10-2009, 12:32
OOC:I will do my best to have everything installed tomorrow. :yes:
Ituralde
08-23-2009, 11:22
A letter arrives in the Order headquarters. It is displayed to see for all members.
Brothers of the Order!
I greet all of you. Word has reached me in the South of your recent success! I heard you fought valiantly alongside our King and helped to bring more land into his Demesne. I congratulate those of you on active duty for the outstanding job they have done for the King, France and the Order! Captain Gaeten de Rethel you have shown to be an outstanding leader.
I fear the things are still looking grim here. Inheritance can be a contested issue. My distant cousin a Italian Noble lays claim to half my fathers lands. I'm not prepared to part with one inch of it. I see how I can stop him short of open war. For now I have to remain here, for if I returned to you now things would soon turn very ugly indeed. I hope for your understanding. I have sworn to serve in the Order and do everything I can to make this happen. Hopefully I will be back before the next Council Session.
Your brother in arms,
Simon de Montpierre
It is good to hear from Simon, but it appears the die has been cast in his absence - we are at war with Germany. Any news from the front, brother Captain? I hope you can once again secure for our Company a position of honour at the King's side. While none of us have wished it, this war gives the Order a chance to prove its worth to the King and to France. We must serve as dutifully and honourably as we can.
[OOC: I have not been checking the save, so any info is appreciated.]
Gaetan storms in, clearly frustrated. He goes to a shelf and pulls out a map, and several pieces representing the armies of the Empire and the Royaume, and lays them out so all can see.
"Forgive my mood - I have many things to attend to at the moment, and will begin speaking with our King as soon as possible regarding how best to handle the situation."
"As of right now, there are two large German armies, the largest of which is within 2-3 season's march of Bruges, and is commanded by a competent general no less. The smaller, but far from less threatening army is located near Metz, and is easily within a single Season's march of the Castle."
"As of right now, I have no men under my command except you brother knights, and then only Half of you may show up. We would be next to useless if we are sieged, and with the current Seneschal antagonizing the English, I do not feel comfortable taking men away from Bruges."
"I would have us harry the larger army - sap them on their march to Bruges or Paris as it may be, so when they arrive, the combined might of the Order and any defenders we are allotted will suffice in crushing them. The Royaume must come first, and I hope my Duc shall forgive me as he must fight them alone."
Gaetan slam's his fist into the table, causing the pieces to tumble, as he turns to head out the door.
"I have another matter to attend to - it seems that when it rains, it must also pour."
Ramses II CP
08-26-2009, 00:09
A message arrives from the Prince of France. It reads,
At a time of war a member of this Order has greviously and falsely insulted the crown Prince of France. In so doing he has violated the Oath of Chivalry, tenet Five, "To speak truthfully at all times." I have been called a thief, a butcher, a bully, and a coward. I say there is no truth to these words, and call Gaetan an oathbreaker for speaking them in public without proof or evidence. In particular no man may call me a coward, I have never in life turned my back on enemy unless he was dead.
What sort of men are there here, the type who will bandy words and shift meanings to justify a villain in your midst, or the kind who answer the dictates of honor directly? If you believe what Gaetan has said to be true you cannot complete your duty to this Order and should not pretend otherwise. If you acknowledge the falsity of his claims then I will leave his fate as a member to your sure justice.
Furthermore he has vowed never to swear fealty to me as King, even should God choose that I be so elevated. This would also violate his duty as a member of this Order. Not to mention that he stirs conflict against the royal house at a time when we are at war with a foreign power, a time when our very King has declaimed a traitor in our midst.
I am not a member of this Order, but I have sworn the oath and upheld it beyond reproach. I have come to respect the noble actions of many other members of this Order. I call on them now to do what is right before God and King, and to bring the oathbreaker to account for his false words.
:egypt:
Hermant picks up the Prince's letter and reads it, his mood growing sombre. Given that the Order are scattered, he commands that the letter be forwarded and invites members to consider their response in private.
[OOC: starting a thread on this in the social group for private discussion.]
Cecil XIX
08-26-2009, 02:08
A letter arrives from Duc Raymond
By my reading, the fifth clause does not forbid knights from insulting each other. Regardling specific accusations such as thievery, which one can objectively prove or disprove, I would say that one cannot be called a liar if one actually believes what one says. However, making statements that cannot be proven true, and must be automatically assumed false for obvious reasons, is in my opinion a violation of the fifth clause of the oath, which I believe demands more than an absence of lies, but that knights should only make statements of fact that they can personally vouch for. In this regard, accepting Sir Christophe de Perronne's is the least one in Sir Gaeten de Rethels postion can do. I would also suggest adding another clause to the Oath of Chivalry, something along the lines of forbidding members
I hope Prince Louis is not offended by my speaking so generally, but as this issue is of great importance and will have a large impact on the future conduct of the Order, I believe it is best to tackle the issue neutrally, with regard to possible future incidents as well as this one.
Finally, I must take issue with the Prince's statement that any who agree with Sir Gaeten's words cannot fulfill their duty to the Order. This will be true once his highness the Dauphin becomes King, but not before. In fact, the Charter of the Order does not mention the title of Prince specifically.
Hermant reads his Duc's letter, but then puts it to one side and focuses on a shorter missive from Gaeten. With a sigh, he slowly rises and strikes Gaeten's name from the list of Order members.
Ramses II CP
08-26-2009, 03:05
On hearing of the Duke's comments the Prince issues one brief further statement,
No man will in any way be upbraided for respectfully disagreeing with the Prince's interpretation of the oath. Each man swears the oath as he means it in his heart, but for the common good an agreed upon meaning must be found and upheld. As in all things, God will be the final arbiter.
:egypt:
Brother knights,
With the resignation of Gaeten de Rethel, the Company is leaderless. Are there any knights on active duty who wish to stand for the post of Captain? Standing now will prevent you standing next session, but with the war, we sorely need leadership.
As he has recently been active in the field, I propose Gaspard take the role of acting Captain until the post will be properly filled.
I will allow 24 hours for nominations and then organise one day of voting.
Yours in arms,
Hermant
Ignoramus
08-26-2009, 03:34
I am willing to assume the role of Captain for the remainder the Seneschal's turn. I am deeply disappointed in Gaeten de Rethel's actions, and would strive to maintain the integrity of the Order.
Marcus Agrippa
08-26-2009, 16:58
I would also be willing to stand for Order captain once more.
Brother Le Sueur, I will gladly put forward your name for the election. On other matters, Gaspard has called an emergency meeting in private, brother - your voice would be welcome there.
[OOC: please check the two new threads in the social group.]
Ituralde
08-27-2009, 10:08
Simon enters the Tavern room looking deligthed and relieved. He casts around him wonderingly as none of the Order can be seen. He rifles through the papers strewn on the desk. His expression grows somber has he reads the Princes letter and even more so as he reads the following responses. Cursing to himself he moves on to the private chambers.
As the deadline for nominations has expired and Brother Knight Le Sueur has informed me that he is withdrawing his candidacy, I announce that Gaspard de Neufville is elected nem con as the Captain of the Order for the remainder of this term.
Following an emergency meeting, the following change to the Order's charter has been agreed:
"On assuming the position, the Captain will immediately choose a Lieutenant as his second in command. The Lieutenant will assume the duties of the Captain if the Captain falls, resigns or is otherwise incapacitated."
I congratulate Gaspard and invite him to select a Lieutenant.
Ignoramus
08-27-2009, 13:47
I hereby choose Sieur Hermant Mauvoisin as mon Lieutenant. His organisational skills will be of great assistance in these troubled times.
Ituralde
08-28-2009, 12:03
A toast to Gaspard de Neufville and Hermant Mauvoisin! May the Order thrive under your leadership!
Brother knights, there is a matter I would discuss in private with you.
OOC: Please check the social group.
Brother knights - our petition to the King has born fruit. Let us consider a response.
OOC: Pls check the social group.
Brother knights - I think we are in agreement about our response to the King, but let us reconvene one more time. Also, we need to think about the implications for the management of the Order - I have made some proposals on this.
[OOC: New thread in social group.]
Brother knights, we have discussed the allocation of land to the Order in private but now - by the Grace of His Majesty - it has become a reality.
Currently our Charter states:
Land and units given to the Order
1. Members of the Order may freely possess their own lands and military units.
2. However, if the King or other noble wishes to give land to the Order, only the Captain may formally own it but it will be regarded as Order land.
3. The Captain must transfer ownership of any Order land when he leaves office.
4. If the King or other noble wishes to give military units to the Order, only the Captain may formally own them but they will be regarded as Order units.
5. The Captain must transfer ownership of Order units when he leaves office.
Consequently, our Captain - Gaspard de Neuville - is the formal owner of Antwerp and as such eligible for election to Seneschal in the coming Conseil session; and to set it's build queue and unit prioritisations for the coming 10 seasons.
Following our discussions in private, I propose that when we elect a new Captain, we also approve the following revision of the Charter:
Land and units given to the Order
1. Members of the Order may freely possess their own lands and military units; units under their personal command will not have their ownership transferred if stationed in Order lands or serving in the Order Company.
2. Any land given to the Order will be formally owned by the Order Steward.
3. Ownership of Order land can only be transferred when the Order Steward leaves office, when it must be passed to the next Steward.
4. The Order Captain must appoint an Order Steward in the season of each regular Conseil session.
5. Any units given to the Order, recruited from its settlements or assigned by the Seneschal to garrison its lands will be formally owned the Order Captain.
6. Ownership of Order units can only be transferred when the Captain leaves offcie, when it must be passed to the next Captain.
This revision implies that - at the end of his term - the next Order Captain will appoint a Steward who will govern Antwerp and be eligible to stand for the Seneschal in the subsequent Conseil session. If there are no objections to this revision, we will pass it nem con - otherwise, I will organise a poll requiring a 2/3 majority.
[OOC EDIT: I have revised the above so that a Steward is appointed in time to both run for Seneschal and to set build queues; that means appointment by a Captain at the end of his term, rather than the beginning. I have also written it to protect any personal units members have from having ownership inadvertently transferred and to make units garrisoning Antwerp owned by the Captain not the Steward.]
Brother knights, the Conseil session has started so we must also hold a full Order session.
We have several items of business.
First - who will serve the Company on active duty in the coming 10 seasons?
Second - of those on active duty, who wishes to stand for Order Captain?
Third - we should discuss plans for the Order Company and for our Headquarters. While decisions will be made by the Captain and Steward respectively, it is now that we have time to reflect and consult.
I have previously proposed that - until the season of the next Conseil, Gaspard, our outgoing Captain, will serve as Steward of Antwerp - effectively its Count - and set its build queues and priorisations. I hope there is no objection to this.
For my part, I will continue to serve the Company on active duty. While I had hoped that we can institute a process of rotating active and reserve duty, I think our numbers are still too few for me to leave the Company at this point. I would like to see the Company always at least four brother knights strong, so that we bring real weight to it. I will not stand for Order Captain unless no other man stands.
In terms of priorities for the Order, I commend the current strategy of marching with the King. The Order was formed to defend France and so long as France's monarch has need of us, I can see no better use than to answer his call.
Beyond that, now that we have land, I believe our next concern should be acquiring companies of foot to support us. My ambition is that ultimately our Company be a standalone army capable of independent action. While our King and our Prince have shown that small companies of brave knights may achieve great things, as time goes on our enemies will grow strong and so ultimately we too will need to field proper armies to oppose them. As to how we can acquire companies of foot, we can regard the company in Antwerp as Order property - as well as the company that Gaspard will prioritise as governor of Antwerp. Beyond that, we are reliant on the next Seneschal. Trying to mandate recruitment through edicts is likely to prove counterproductive, so I would urge all members to strive to keep good relations with whoever is elected our Senschal. The Captain would also be wise to protect what few companies of foot we acquire until we have sufficient for their contribution to make a difference.
Ituralde
09-08-2009, 10:57
I will be on active duty again and, also again, I will stand for the position of Captain. My father can only die once so I hope this time there will be no interruptions.
If I were elected Captain I would agree with Brother Hermant and give the position of Steward to Brother Gaspard. I haven't heard from him but with land under his belt maybe he is willing to run for the office of Seneshal? Contenders seem to be scarce.
Whoever turns out to be Captain should work closely with the army commanders in the viccinity. This includes of course the King, but also the Dukes of Champagne and Bourgogne who both border the Germans. I'd even consider to split our forces. So long as we don't have an army of our own we can only learn from other capable generals of our Royaume. Watch and learn, that is. The past has shown that rash actions of our members can put us all into a bad light. I don't want this to continue.
What foot we have my be best used to garrison and guard Antwerp. While I would prefer proper training facilities we must make sure that we use Antwerp to the fullest of its potential. If we can't forge swords we will have to buy them
Ignoramus
09-08-2009, 11:06
I can set your mind at ease, Brother Simon. I have just announced my candidature in the Conseil. Now it is up to see what the nobles of the realm decide.
Regardless of the result, you may be certain that I will provide the Order with men from Antwerp.
Marcus Agrippa
09-08-2009, 12:03
I shall be returning to the mainland and on active duty soon.
I wish to anounce my candicy for Order Captain also.
I see we have warred with the Germans and left France under the grip of English oppression. Also our expansion has sepread us thinly, with militia and peasant troops. I do hope the future brings better things for us but I shall defend our realm no matter what.
I commend Simon and Alexandre for offering to serve the Order as our Captain. I will organise a poll at the same time as the Conseil elections; now and unless otherwise stated in the future, the deadline for nominations for the post of Captain will be the same as that for Seneschal.
So we have three committed to be on active duty - Simon, Alexandre and myself. Who else will ride with the Company? Gaspard, do you wish to join us or would you prefer to personally oversee Antwerp?
There is also an urgent confidential matter I wish to discuss with you all (pls check social group).
Northnovas
09-09-2009, 13:31
I am available to remain on active duty.
Ituralde
09-17-2009, 08:16
I accept the confidence given to me and will act as Captain of the Order during the next Seneshals term. I appoint Alexandre le Sueur to be my Lieutnant. The role of Steward will remain in the hands of Gaspard de Neufville for now. Those of you interested in running for the position of Seneshal should contact me and then we can discuss the matter in private.
I have contacted the leaders of the Royaume to facilitate cooperation with the Order. We will fight wherever we are pointed and repell any attacks by the Germans!
Edit: OOC:
Is Gaspard on Active Duty, Igno? And what should I do about The Lemongate? I'm gonna assume him active for now, since his SoT provides for it. Anyone heard from him?
OOC: Lemongate can be considered inactive. He pmed me a bit ago about not having time for the game, but I wanted to wait a little bit in case that changed before actually drowning the character.
It is good to be on campaign again, Captain de Montpierre, and I congratulate Lieutenant le Sueur on his appointment.
Given there was no opposition, I have amended our Charter as discussed to cover the post of Steward. A key point for members to note is that - unlike the Lieutenant who is appointed by the Captain immediately after a Conseil session - the Steward is appointed by the Captain immediately before such a session. This is to allow the Steward to both be eligible for a election to Seneschal and to set a binding build queue for his term of office. I have left it open for the Captain to appoint himself Steward, as this may sometimes be in the best interest of the Order.
OOC: It will be a shame to lose Eloi, but the Kingdom has so many RBGs, having some removed may help balance the game.
Ignoramus
09-17-2009, 09:39
I congratulate Sieur Montpierre on his election!
OOC: Gaspard's on active duty.
Ituralde
09-17-2009, 11:02
Thank you Brother Hermant for clearing up the legalities. It is a bit tricky but I am sure we will get used to it in no time. Brother Gaspard while you hold the position of Steward without owning Antwerp during the Council Session you can not prioritize units, but you can set a build queue. I have informed the Seneshal of this so pleas give him the appropriate orders. (OOC: Updated your SoT)
Speaking of the Seneshal. His report (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2335507&postcount=159) gives a good outline of the situation facing us. Defeating Emperor Maximilian is our highest priority right now, but we also have to look out for the safety of Antwerp. I feel it would be best if one of us volunteered to devote his actions this term to the defense of Antwerp. Whoever steps forward would not miss out in repelling the German Emperor but would depart immediately thereafter to ensure the safety of Antwerp. It is still quiet right now, but Antwerp lies within two seasons march of Hamburg, a mighty Castle in the north, so we should be careful.
Concerning the defense of Frankfurt I will leave this up to the King for now, although I haven't heard from him yet. Either way the Order will stand its ground and assist in keeping our borders clean of German scum!
In the light of the Seneschal's report, I agree with my Captain that an Order noble should be charged to defend Antwerp. I propose that our Steward, Brother Gaspard, be despatched immediately. He has responsibility for the settlement anyway and may benefit from overseeing its works in seasons when there are no German incursions to repel. [OOC: pick up traits for finishing buildings etc] If he is declines this assignment for whatever reason, I would be happy to go in his place but the logistics are such that whoever of us goes will be unable to ride with the Company for most of this Conseil.
Ignoramus
09-17-2009, 14:17
I am willing to defend Antwerp. Someone must go and hold our lands.
Ituralde
09-17-2009, 14:25
Thank you Brother Gaspard! I will dispatch you there as soon as the threat of Emperor Maximilian is dealt with. Hopefully the Seneshal will send some Spear Militia with you toward Antwerp then. Also it might be a good idea to oversee the construction of some watch towers along the German borders while you're on your way. Either way I am sure we will find a solution to this once the Emperor is defeated.
Marcus Agrippa
09-17-2009, 17:46
My thanks Captain de Montpierre for the honour of the position of Lieutenant.
I shall server to the best of my ablity.
Brothers of the Order,
I stand before you to submit my application to join this most noble order.
I, Prince Henri, 2nd born of King Phillip of France, hereby swear without oppression or compulsion…
..to Fear and Honour God and maintain his most Holy Church.
To serve my Father and France in valour and faith at all times.
To never leave the weak defenceless and protect them from always harm.
To never strike at an unarmed and helpless foe, whomever they be.
To speak with truth in all things at all times.
Never to abandon a comrade to harm, poverty or distress.
And to neither refuse or insult a challenge from any equal.
…I pledge, as God is my witness, to uphold these precepts with all my heart and I trust that the Order accept my approach to them for inclusion in the Order.
Henri.
Ituralde
09-22-2009, 10:58
I welcome you to the Order Brother Henri!
I am Simon de Montpierre the elected Captain for this term. I hope you will go on active duty right away and join us in Frankfurt? We sure can use every man to keep the Germans at bay!
Edit: That is if no one speaks against Brother Henri joining our ranks.
Ignoramus
09-22-2009, 11:30
Welcome, Prince Henri!
You favour us with your presence. It is an honour indeed to have a member of the royal family among us.
Thank you brothers. Think not of me as a Prince for I am only to be amongst equals in The Order, for that is my intention.
I know much of honour and chivalry, I have learned long and hard in skills of arms but have yet to prove myself amongst those who have such experience.
I ride with all haste to Frankfurt, though I fear I may not arrive until the season after next.
Prince Henri, it is a great pleasure to have you join our ranks. We have accepted all the great Lords of the realm as our patrons, but you honour us by standing with us a regular member.
I believe our Charter speaks of new members being approved at Order sessions, but in this case I am sure I speak for us all in regarding that as a formality. Our Captain has accepted you into our ranks and we will all be proud to ride with you.
Brothers, I would hope that such circumvention of the Orders rules is acceptable. I am happy to be accepted into the Brotherhood as an equal as much as is possible for a man of my blood.
There may be times when my family duties call me to remove myself from the side of my Order brothers but I trust these will be few in number. We all heed the call of our King, my father, an it may be at times when he has need of me that I will depart.
I march East and currently camp in the great forest on the road from Staffen to Frankfurt, I hope to be in your company in the next season should the Kings army not move.
There are move private matters I will discuss with the Order before my arrival and I will do so in the privacy of our meeting rooms….
(OOC: an IC and OOC posting on the Social Group board which I feel is quite important)
Cecil XIX
09-24-2009, 03:59
A short, hunched-over monk enters the Order's chambers.
My Lords, I am an assistant to the Royal Librarian. I am come to ask your preference for the record-keeping, where I am keeping a record of the great landowners of the realm.
Unlike the others however, the Orders lands are owned not by one man, but the organization as a whole. Would the Order prefer the records to list the Order itself as the owner of North Flanders, the current steward, or both?
My good man, I believe the answer would be both. Order lands are collectively owned by the Order itself, so this sould be recorded. However, for most practical matters such as the setting of build queues or eligibility for Seneschal elections, it is important that the identify of the Steward be noted.
Brothers, the excommunication of the English changes everything. From trading partners and prospective allies, they have now become the target of a crusade that the King is petitioning Rome for. Given the high regard we are held, I have no doubt this petition will be granted.
I have already spoken in Conseil about my personal opinion of this - it is my strong desire to join any such crusade. But this raises issues about the deployment of the Company. The Prince and the King have indicated a desire that we stand watch on the eastern front. This is understandable from a strategic point of view but does not take account of the strong desires I suspect we all feel to participate in the noble endeavour of a crusade. I would hear the views of our Captain on this. If he is of like mind with me, would he liaise with the King to seek to have the Company be part of the crusade?
Brother Hermant,
Regarless of our own feelings in this matter I am sure we will do as the King wills. Should Frankfurt be unable to defend herself we must ignore such personal glory in the face of defending our people from the Germans.
The answers to this remains to be seen however and I will follow the Order.
Brother Henri, with respect, desiring to serve God on crusade is not synonymous with seeking personal glory. I agree that Frankfurt cannot be left undefended. Indeed, I have personally sworn to the Senschal that I will do everything I can to make sure Frankfurt is protected. I will not renege on that promise. However, I believe the Kingdom can defend Frankfurt and free our Company to go on crusade. For example, there will be limit to how many companies can ride with the King on crusade, so it is unlikely our foot would be needed and could be left to assist in the defence of Frankfurt. [OOC: only 20 units can enter a settlement.]
Very well Brother, if we are permitted and Frankfurt is defensable I willl be happy to follow the Captain in this task.
I did not...intend any offense however with my comments regarding personal glory and I withdraw that statement.
Ituralde
09-25-2009, 12:39
Should the Pope indeed bless the French to strike against the blasphemous English King it would be a great honour for the Order to be amongst the first storming the walls of London! However we can't neglect the Eastern front because of this. Any strike against the English would have to be quick and lethal. I shall talk with the King and Seneshal about the matter. I am sure a solution can be found that is favourable to all parties involved.
Ituralde
09-25-2009, 16:24
I ask all members of the Order to meet in our private chambers to further discuss the last developments. I have spoken to and heard much from Brother Henri and Brother Hermant. What say the rest of you? Please let me know in private!
Northnovas
10-01-2009, 17:54
I am ready for England and will join the King! The captain as my permission to set up logistics of my men.
(OCC Updated in SOT Captain or King for movement.)
Marcus Agrippa
10-02-2009, 12:56
I shall join you on this crusade may we have a swift victory.
Ituralde
10-02-2009, 15:26
Brother Knights I hope you have all read the Seneshals report carefully. Once you have done so please join me in our private quarters.
Brothers, we mourn the sad loss of Robert Bouchard - proud son of France, dutiful servant of Bretagne and good friend to us all.
I understand that a Conseil session will soon be called. By our Charter, I believe the Captain should now appoint a new Steward for the Order. Any man wishing to run for Seneschal may wish to inform the Captain of that desire, as Stewardship of the Order provides one means to satisfy the landed requirement for candidates for that august post.
Ituralde
10-13-2009, 19:57
Brother Hermant is right. Please step forward and make yourself known to me. I know that Brother Gaspard wanted this opportunity to run for Seneshal. His ambitions have been somewhat lacking of late though so I don't know if he is available. We should find a solution to this quickly.
A word in private, brothers. (OOC: check social group)
Ituralde
10-15-2009, 08:45
The Council Session is about to begin and we need an official Steward. Since none of you came forward and asked to run for Seneshal I hereby make Gaspard de Neufville Steward. Since last I heard he intended to run and I don't want to deprive him of the chance, when nobody else shows an interest for it.
Brothers, a new Conseil session has started and so we too must attend to our own affairs. I thank our Captain, Simon de Montpierre, for his leadership and congratulate Gaspard on his re-appointment as Steward. I await to hear from Gaetan de Rethel about his offer to rejoin the Order.
Who will be on active duty in the coming term? I personally plan to start rotating duty with the Company with service with my Duchy and so will probably not be on active duty in the coming ten seasons. However, I would wish to join a crusade on the Moors if one is called.
I wonder who of those who will be on active duty wish to stand for the post of Captain? Perhaps Alexandre le Sueur is interested?
If there are any issues of Order policy that we wish to discuss, we can either do it here - in public - or retire to discuss them in private, if they are sensitive. [ooc: social group]
I am a new member and still unclear of the etiquette for such.
For my immediate future I will have to address the Realms Eastern front against the Germans and ensure, should they still refuse official peace, that such defences are maintained.
This may preclude me from a Crusade depending upon when it is called.
However, for the sake of the Order, I hope the Crusade is called soon. In three seasons the majority of the Order can be in or near our Iberian border ready to take the call officially, I would also suggest that Marselle is a good point of gathering as a seaborn contingent can come from there against the Moors.
How my duties meld with those of the Order I do not know at this time. I truely wish to rejoin you but duty is where duty lies as we all know. Certainly I would welcome the company of such fine men as yourselves in the East with me should it be possible, but I pledge to rejoin the Order and fight alongside you as soon as is possible.
Ituralde
10-20-2009, 13:53
The Counsil Session is nearly over and so far no one has stepped forward to take up the post of Captain. I honestly don't know how to proceed from this point as our Charter does not provide for such a case. What are we to do about this?
Brothers,
This is unacceptable indeed. Now, more than ever is such a vocal conscience needed in the Council and in the Kings ears.
DO YOU NOT HEAR what is being proclaimed there!?!
Had I been in the order for more than a few seasons I would put myself forward for Captain, ok, perhaps if none others feel they are worthy then so be it!
I ask you all to consider me for such a post. I am not worthy, I am not ready for such but I know my duty to France in all its forms.
If this tirade shames any of you to come forward then it has worked and I will withdraw myself from the post of Captain, but until then…here I am, you know me and know I will do all I can in private or public to see that right is done.
Ituralde
10-20-2009, 16:47
Your forthcoming is most honourable and while you cite your lack of age and experience don't forget that this Order was founded by young men and has been led by young men ever since. You would make a formidable Captain of that I'm sure.
I thank you and so, I stand to be approved for this position.
Brother Henri, I am glad that you will stand for the position of Captain. If there is another contender, we will vote on it when the Conseil votes; otherwise you will be appointed nem con.
I am also pleased to welcome Brother Gaetan back into our ranks. Now that he has reconciled with Prince Louis, and indeed joined the Prince's Duchy, I believe that the cause of his earlier departure is now behind us.
I thank you for your support Brothers. Should I become Captain I will do all I can and ensure there is a voice of conscience in the Kings ear, especially now he is Seneschal.
I urge the Order to vote now on the proposed Legislation, I find my self in a curious position for this session, I find that I must vote “yay” to all proposed Edicts. Although I do not like the final wording of Edict 3.6, it includes my dear wish for the long awaited Crusaded against the Moors so I must vote in favour.
Brothers, you are free to vote as your own conscience dictates but ensure you vote. We have a great power in our hands which we must use for the betterment of our nation.
Brothers,
I ask us to adjourn to more private chambers. The most recent developments require our full attention.
Brothers,
Look to our private chambers for current instruction.
Brothers,
I ask you to defend England against the Norsemen at this time. Full details are issued in our private chambers.
Brothers - a quick word in private, if you would.
Vladimir
10-28-2009, 01:35
You wish to speak to my privates? Hah!
*Gontran makes a sharp turn spilling wine as he departs*
Hermant mutters to an attendant:
"I must be getting soft in my middle age - I was half inclined to invite that strange chap into the Order to give him something to do and stop him going stir crazy in Marseilles. Probably a case of too little, too late, I fear though."
Northnovas
10-28-2009, 10:42
The young man confidently walks into the Order meeting area carrying a scroll.
My Brothers,
I accept your invitation to join your noble Order.
I Gauthier de Beauvis vow:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve my liege in valor and faith
To protect the weak and defenseless
To never attack an unarmed foe
To speak truthfully at all times
To never abandon a comrade
To never refuse a challenge from an equal
Well met, Chevalier de Beauvis! It is an honour to receive you into the Order!
Ituralde
10-28-2009, 17:34
I welcome you to the Order Brother Gauthier! We are in need of capable men and confident that you are one of them!
Well said Brother Gauthier, well said indeed. Most welcome to the order, these are trying times for us and it seems our Realm is beset by powerful enemies at many sides.
I ask all Brothers to make haste to the East to defend our lands. I will hope to have the Germans beaten by your arrival but I cannot be sure…so ride for Glory, ride for Honour…ride for FRANCE!
Ituralde
10-28-2009, 18:37
My Captain, I am on my way. I hope to reach you within the next season.
Northnovas
10-28-2009, 21:12
I am on my way to the Eastern Front my Captain and will join you next season!
I'll be sure to leave some Germans for you.
Brothers,
Please assemble at Frankfurt if you can. I honestly need your grace about me now.
Brothers,
I require a volunteer to return to Antwerp, it appears it is threatened again. The Duchy of Lorraine would ride to intercept the German army but we do not have sufficient companies of men at this time...and another two large German forces already threaten from the East.
Any who does not volunteer is free to continue the journey to Frankfurt.
Henri
Northnovas
11-04-2009, 05:11
Captain, I volunteer. I will make my way to Antwerp.
Brother de Beauvais, your sacrifice is noted and welcomed by your Captain.
I ask that you ensure the Kings requests are fulfilled in Antwerp and that you request sufficient troops to defend the city.
I have sent you a private note to this end.
Brothers,
As I am now a Duc, it is no longer appropriate for me to be Captain of the Order. To this end a replacement is needed. Please attend our meeting chambers to discuss this urgently.
Thank you,
Alexandre Le Sueur, you have full command and free reign to strike at the Germans surrounding my city of Frankfurt.
Brothers, Antwerp is threatened and I am certain I gave free hand to those Brothers within the city to strike at the Germans before they arrived. Was I misunderstood here?
Strike now! I am certain you have sufficient troops for the job...do not wait to be besieged, the honour of the Order is at stake. If we cannot actively defend our own holdings how can we defend France?
Knights of the Order,
I will send a message to each of you soon but should you read this first…
…my father has died as you know, leaving me now as Dauphin. Not only this but elections for a new Seneschal will take place soon.
With the combined fact that I am the Dauphin, Duc of Lorraine and that a new Seneschal session will commence it is now highly inappropriate for me to continue as Captain of the Order.
Patron, of course, member…I would like to remain so…but the Captaincy must remain remote from politics and direct Royal influence, which I can no longer guarantee.
To this end, I appeal to all of you to consider the future of the Order and the potential for you as Captain. Elections are open, I expect one of you to step forward for the good of France and take the pledge to uphold the ideals of the Order for this next session.
Do not worry about experience…I myself was barely a man when I took the responsibility on. Do not worry about knowledge of what to do …for we are all here as Brothers to support you.
Marcus Agrippa
11-25-2009, 11:53
I shall stand as a potental candidate for the role of captain.
My brothers we need to stay active and focused. We have a new king.
I expect the new king to be very active in expanding our lands as did his father.
We may even have some trouble keeping up.
We have a duty to defend france and her king so please come forward to stand with me as brother knights and potential candidates.
These are sad days, particularly for our Captain and Prince. We are grateful for his service and wish him every strength in this hour.
I must continue to serve my Duchy for this term, but I am sure that those brothers on active duty will see the Order through this testing time. I would remind whoever is Captain to pick a Lieutenant on active duty, so that our Company does fall idle should events conspire against us.
Brother Alexandre Le Sueur,
Your enthusiasm does you credit and your term as Lieutenant also puts you in good order for the Captaincy.
I encourage other candidates however, "one horse races" are never good.
Brothers, with my sadness in loosing a father I feel joy that he did not suffer and was active until the end for the good of the Realm. He is surely at Gods right hand now and our alliance with the Pope is surely testament of how highly he was regarded by God.
I propose that should no other step forth in the next 24hrs that Brother-Lieutenant Alexandre Le Sueur be announced as Captain of the Order.
The King moves swiftly to some great purpose and has requested the Orders involvement. I suspect the gathering is for a purpose we have long awaited and the Order must be ready.
I second that suggestion. It seems that the King does not wish this session of the Conseil to be an extended one, so having our Captain in place before it ends would be prudent.
Brothers,
I present step down officially as Captain of the Order as of this moment. In my place Brother Alexandre Le Sueur will now take the position of head of the Order during this next session.
I wish to retain membership of the Order however. I foresee many trying times and the guidance and wise council of the Order is much needed by me.
Marcus Agrippa
11-27-2009, 18:33
I accept the title of Captain of the order of the Fleur De Lys.
I hope my term will be a prosperous one for all you members, I will certainly try to make it one.
I wish for all active members to make themselves known.
And any forces under their command.
I may not be active but I intend to pass command of two companies of men to the Order this term.
I believe there will be only three seasons left before the next regular Conseil. I will be on reserve duty until then, after which I hope to rejoin the Company if the situation in Burgundy permits. Given the relatively short length of time remaining before the next Conseil, I suggest that just this once we waive the restriction on Captains serving consecutive terms and allow our new Captain to also run for the office at the next Conseil.
Ituralde
11-28-2009, 13:28
I agree Brother Hermant, Brother Alexandre has fought with us from the start, I will follow him this season and the one beyond if he wants it.
I remain in Active Duty and at your service Captain Alexandre.
I also concur, three seasons is not sufficient.
Marcus Agrippa
11-29-2009, 13:50
I bestow the position of Lieutenant of the order of the Fleur de Lys to Simon de Montpierre.
I believe he will make a great second during my term.
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