Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Pevergreen is highly scummy.

First off, its pevergreen.

secondly, see the scissors paper rock tournament.

[ULC]

*ahem* To any of those alluding to Beefy wearing a fedora as an indication of guilt or innocence, I say to you that the killer wrote the write up, and in doing so, wrote in that Beefy wore a Fedora. A killer has no real clue as to the identity or role of his target most of the time, except in cases in which the target was previously investigated, and therefore, the killer could not have known Beefy's alignment, and thus the Fedora is a red herring.

The only way the Fedora could mean anything is if Seamus himself added it in himself, and I don't believe Seamus gives any clues in the write ups.

So - FoS: Factionheir and GSC

And Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Factionheir

[Chaotix]

Vote: abstain

I can't follow any of these arguments or all the conjecture.

But I'll list my observations:

- I got that someone is a serial killer and that person probably killed The_Stranger just because of the really strange write-up for his death

- The person who attacked beefy187 has to be a ninja/assasin-y character because of the use of kunai

- Quintus.JC had to have been a mafia kill, the tommy guns and car bomb are hallmarks

I also have some questions:

- Are the four guys at the Italian eatery related to each other somehow? I got from the discussion earlier in this thread that they probably had a protection group, but why did the write-up mention they were all eating together? Was it to save space and simply say all four of them were under protection that night? Or are they connected beyond that coincidence? :gossip:

I guess this is my first Mafia game and post, so I hope I haven't marked myself for death already. :glasses:

erm...

Pardon, but are you even IN the game? If that was your only post, you couldn't have signed up for it....

[woad&fangs]

He must have signed up by PM. He's in the player list on the first page.

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok if you really want me to place a vote somewhere I will Vote ATPG not hugely scummy but I think he was pm'ing quite a few people and maybe looking for recruits ?

Im not sure about lyncing beefy based on his surviving a hit, it could potenially be a luck ability or a failed hit for some other reason... it seems a bit little to vote him for...

[Csargo]

Vote:Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, I will freely cop to the fact that I was organizing protection groups. Some of the ones you saw in the write-up, I had a hand in forming. I've contacted roughly a third of the players in the game.

In the meantime, I would like to place my vote on FactionHeir. I think he's a good choice.

[Centurion1]

Hmm, i vote; ATPG

Little grizzly makes some sense, but i a more than willing to change for a better argument.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:white_eyes,vote:askthepizzaguy

Too much pm'ing for a game with only half a dozen true innocents.

[Askthepizzaguy]

of course, it helps if I actually vote for FactionHeir

vote: Factionheir

[scottishranger]

Id like to see what DJGingivitis has to say before I vote.

in the meantime FOS: Beskar. So far, I havent seen much substance from him, just random votes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I can confirm that ricera10 is signed up to play, and yes, Seamus does give clues.

[LittleGrizzly]

of course, it helps if I actually vote for FactionHeir

vote: Factionheir


:laugh4::laugh4:

Any reason for voting FactionHeir... im on the lookout for a suspect....

Admittedly connecting people for protection isnb't terrible.. but this way you can narrow down pro town roles, other mafia and potential recruits. Perfect for mafia player... risky but you could be a lower role covering for your don in order to get maximum power...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reason for voting for FactionHeir? Ok...

He's the heir to a faction. That's obviously scummy.

[seireikhaan]

Since Craterus apparently is accounted for, I will Unvote: Craterus


Pizza being in contact with a lot of people is his style. Worth keeping an eye on, but not all that out of the ordinary for him.

Vote: Reenk Roink

GH bribed me. :embarassed:

[Beskar]

unvote: CountAnarch

vote:Factionheir

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: Factionheir


Better be right about this, ATPG...

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok I didn't exactly expect the flurry of votes to ATPG... suspicious but perhaps not worth the lynch...

Ill go with ATPG and unvote vote factionheir mainly to keep the votes spread out....

[Kommodus]

Vote: abstain

I can't follow any of these arguments or all the conjecture.

But I'll list my observations:

- I got that someone is a serial killer and that person probably killed The_Stranger just because of the really strange write-up for his death

- The person who attacked beefy187 has to be a ninja/assasin-y character because of the use of kunai

- Quintus.JC had to have been a mafia kill, the tommy guns and car bomb are hallmarks

I also have some questions:

- Are the four guys at the Italian eatery related to each other somehow? I got from the discussion earlier in this thread that they probably had a protection group, but why did the write-up mention they were all eating together? Was it to save space and simply say all four of them were under protection that night? Or are they connected beyond that coincidence? :gossip:

I guess this is my first Mafia game and post, so I hope I haven't marked myself for death already. :glasses:

Let's see...

1. Completely neutral post
2. States the obvious
3. Chases what is likely a rabbit trail
4. Doesn't want to get lynched

That's a lot of scum-tells packed into a short space, and it's enough for me.

Vote: ricera10

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote: Abstain, Vote:ricera10

Better than nothing.

[LittleGrizzly]

Get the new guy!!

~;)

If this is his first mafia game he's probably a little lost... that doesn't mean he should get away with abstaining though!

[Splitpersonality]

Hey, it was done to me in SoTM it will be done to him :P

[Lord Winter]

FoS: Beskar, Chaotix and Little Grizzly For jumping on a bandwagon which has no evidence behind it. That's as useless to the town as abstaining. If you're going to bandwagon at least jump on one with some facts supporting it.

I see ricera10 's comments more as a newbies cluelessness then an attempt to avoid the limelight. If you want to lynch someone with similar tells I would suggest DjGingivitis instead. His post is much more characteristic of a lurker mafia IMHO.

Also Welcome to mafia and the .org ricera :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

FactionHeir: 5 (YLC, Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, LittleGrizzly)
Reenk Roink: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, El Diablo, Shinseikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Centurion1, Sasaki)
Beskar: 2 (Iskander, Tratorix)
Beefy: 2 (FactionHeir, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
ricera10: 2 (Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
Scottishranger: 1 (Yaropolk)
Myrddraal: 1 (Andres)
AVSM: 1 (Myrddraal)
Sigurd: 1 (Pevergreen)
DJGingivtis: 1 (Lord Winter)
Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
Sasaki: 1 (Ichigo)

No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 11 (atheotes, Jolt, Diana Abnoba, slashandburn, DJGingivitis, Moros, Twilightblade, DisgruntledGoat, Caius, Beefy, ricera10)

Please recheck the tally.






Also, I didn't find ricera's comments to stink of newbishness at all. In fact, if these are the level of posts that we get from a new player, we should consider ourselves lucky. That was a heck of a lot better than some that I've seen. Way to squash enthusiasm, fellows.

[gibsonsg91921]

Ricera10's insights kick my first mafia post's butt.

[johnhughthom]

Vote:Beskar

Two votes with absolutely no effort made to explain them.

Oh and welcome Ricera10. That was a brave post for your first mafia game.

[naut]

Vote: DisgruntledGoat

Funny name. Hehe.

[Chaotix]

FoS: Beskar, Chaotix and Little Grizzly For jumping on a bandwagon which has no evidence behind it. That's as useless to the town as abstaining. If you're going to bandwagon at least jump on one with some facts supporting it.

I see ricera10 's comments more as a newbies cluelessness then an attempt to avoid the limelight. If you want to lynch someone with similar tells I would suggest DjGingivitis instead. His post is much more characteristic of a lurker mafia IMHO.

Also Welcome to mafia and the .org ricera :smash:

For the record, I jumped on the bandwagon because ATPG told me he had evidence and a hunch. It's better than anything else on a first round lynch, so I'm gonna roll with it.

[Kommodus]

I see ricera10 's comments more as a newbies cluelessness then an attempt to avoid the limelight. If you want to lynch someone with similar tells I would suggest DjGingivitis instead. His post is much more characteristic of a lurker mafia IMHO.

Cluelessness? Nah. He seems to have done enough reading to be innocent on that count. DjGumDisease claims to be working on something and I'd like to at least see what it is. Ricera10, OTOH, seems like the case of the rookie player making predictably rookie mistakes.


Also Welcome to mafia and the .org ricera :smash:

Seconded. :bow: Now DIE!!! :laugh4:

[slashandburn]

Unvote:, Vote FactionHeir If ATPG is wrong we can lynch him next time.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am not going to vote for a random person. I am just going to say this right here, if you want me to vote for someone message me with your suggestion a hypothesis why and reasoning to back it up and I will think about it. Likewise if you are worried you will be voted off, do the same in defense of yourself and I will consider it. ACIN demands proof not wild accusations.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*privately tells people to vote for pizza instead of accusing him in thread*

[A Very Super Market]

*Privately votes for AtPG

[Jolt]

As I said, Unvote, Vote: FactionHeir

[a completely inoffensive name]

I like FactionHeir, I seem to remember him helping me with modding M2TW back on an earlier account. Why is everyone going after him?

[White_eyes:D]

Ok I didn't exactly expect the flurry of votes to ATPG... suspicious but perhaps not worth the lynch...

Ill go with ATPG and unvote vote factionheir mainly to keep the votes spread out....

What the??? Do you guys know something about Faction Heir?? because that a pretty crappy reason when he already had 3 votes on him:inquisitive: Vote:LG

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I like FactionHeir, I seem to remember him helping me with modding M2TW back on an earlier account. Why is everyone going after him?
Because its the first lynch round, and people are taking the easy option of bandwagoning and thus contributing nothing to the thread.

I feel a response of this magnitude to one accusation is a little excessive. He's not even been afforded an oppurtunity to respond...

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ACIN-

As mentioned by certain folks, I've asked for his head. And now I'm really in trouble regardless, but especially if he turns up innocent, which I doubt.

By the way, as my possibly last act as a living player, I am still requesting folks for protection groups. Please contact me if you're available. Last night, there were far too many last-minute changes and half of the groups did not even function. Let's make sure we have a game plan ahead of time.

[a completely inoffensive name]

@ATPG Why are you asking for his head? (You can reply in a PM if you want.)

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: acin

Sig too big.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: acin

Sig too big.

Vote: pevergreen

Reason: Sig not big enough.

[LittleGrizzly]

What the??? Do you guys know something about Faction Heir?? because that a pretty crappy reason when he already had 3 votes on him:inquisitive: Vote:LG

ATPG told me he had good reason to suspect him, so i Followed. Look at the times on my two votes before me, they were posted after i began writing my post and not long after ATPG told me...

Im not blindly following i have been told there is good reason, that is better than suspecting ATPG for pm'ing imo.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Host's Tally (through post 293 inc):

FactionHeir: 7 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, slashandburn, YLC)

Reenk Roink: 3 (El Diablo, GeneralHankerchief, Shinseikhaan)
Beskar: 3 (Iskander, johnhughthom, Tratorix)

Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Centurion1*, Sasaki)
Beefy187: 2 (FactionHeir, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
ricera10: 2 (Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)

AVSM: 1 (Myrddraal)
Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
DisgruntledGoat: 1 (psychonaut)
DJGingivtis: 1 (Lord Winter)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (White_eyes:D)
Myrddraal: 1 (Andres)
Sasaki: 1 (Ichigo)
Scottishranger: 1 (Yaropolk)
Sigurd: 1 (Pevergreen)

No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 10 (atheotes, Beefy187, Caius, Jolt, Diana Abnoba, DisgruntledGoat, DJGingivtis, Moros, ricera10, Twilightblade)

*Centurion1's vote is not formatted correctly; though a quick check by all is not a bad idea.

[glyphz]

I'll go w/ my Day1 bread&butter 'vote on the chap who happens to post just before I did', so

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Done.


...
...

Unvote: Seamus
:creep:
edit: dangit... Denied :wall:
:7jester:

[Double A]

Some more thoughts:

There's a large number of people abstaining. Worse yet, there are people abstaining without giving any other comment (I'm looking at you Jolt). Sounds like intentional lurking to me. A vote by the uninformed masses is random at worst. A vote by the informed minority always suits them.

The trenchcoat kill bears the hallmarks of a vigilante kill attempt, but perhaps that vigilante kill attempt failed but was quickly followed by a mafia kill which succeeded (the bomb in the car).

"Three point two seconds after turning the key, Quintus.JC was nearly half a block away and rapidly accelerating when the blast"

3.2 seconds makes it sound like a separate attempt to the tommy guns. What do we gain from knowing that there are vigilantes afoot? It invalidates group alibis, such as Andres' "Dutch_guy was protected last night by me, The Stranger and Moros." since that group could just as easily be the vigilantes/wise guys, hoping to gain innocent status.

Whatever the case, Andres claims a night action, which shows that none of those eating out last night are excluded from carrying out other actions that night.

My final point is more of a gut feeling really, but I couldn't help but notice the two votes for AVSM during chairman selection. If I remember correctly AVSM self voted, which was followed by a vote for him by ACIN.

If both AVSM and ACIN are mafia in the same family, maybe with AVSM as don, it might seem an easy mistake to make for ACIN to vote for his boss without thinking that it would identify him. This would seem particularly likely since AVSM seemed like an unpopular option.

I've got nothing better to go with for now, so I will Vote: AVSM

That seems somewhat probable. Because I see no clearer choice Vote: AVSM


Im inclined to believe that Strangers death might have been a serial killing. The diary makes it seem like that to me.

My thoughts exactly... wow that really sucks for the stranger and QTC...

[a completely inoffensive name]

I just want to say, AVSM might be a cool guy to talk to, but I would go crazy if he was my boss. 25 min lunch breaks!?!? Good job killing my internet social life AVSM.

[A Very Super Market]

You are just bandwagoning on Myrddraal's reasoning. Either vote for the man badwagonee, vote with a clear-cut case, or stick to making silly comments, scum!

Vote: Double A

Mafia stooge acin, join me!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Mafia stooge acin, join me!
And we can rule the galaxy together?

[Lord Winter]

@ATPG Why are you asking for his head? (You can reply in a PM if you want.)

No he can't, if he has a case he should reveal it in public.

unvote: DJGingivtis
Vote: Beskar

I'm tired of this bandwaggoning for no reason.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, Lord Winter, this is the most active, talkative, and the most assertive with your opinion as I've ever seen you in a mafia game. :inquisitive:

[Lord Winter]

I'm enjoying myself. Plus I have alot of freetime right now.

[Double A]

You are just bandwagoning on Myrddraal's reasoning. Either vote for the man badwagonee, vote with a clear-cut case, or stick to making silly comments, scum!

Vote: Double A

Mafia stooge acin, join me!

Wait are you voting for me for supporting good reasoning?

How did I ever let you guys talk me into org mafia?

[A Very Super Market]

Why are you panicking with a single vote on you?

[CountArach]

I am going to guess that CountArach was investigating "The Stranger" because he is the one who found him?? or was it just write-up purposes??:inquisitive:
Nope, no investigating from me.

This is interesting due to what it indicates about the write-ups. Last night I protected CountArach. I haven't received my results PM yet, but I'm positive that neither of my partners showed up (one did not check his PMs to get the orders, the other gave a plausible excuse for not participating after I had submitted mine). I've scoured the write-up for some indication of why CountArach was listed, but couldn't see one. Since Dutch_guy seems to have appeared due to you protecting him, I suspect CountArach appeared because I protected him.
This is an interesting theory and one I think we could play around with. Perhaps someone would be willing to forgo any night action and instead protect a player of their choice on their own? Then we can see if that person appears in the night write-up. Not sure what we can do with it - but knowledge is victory and the more we understand about the mechanics of the game, the better.

The_stranger gets killed. He has french in it and references to Belgians we say. It almost seems as someone is trying to point towards me or Andres.
Well I find the reference to the Mosin Nagant to be more Russian - as that is what they are more known for. So perhaps someone is trying to frame a Russian player (Do we have any?) or myself maybe? I did after all post with a vaguely Russian last name... or Eastern European at the very least in an earlier post when RPing.

FoS: Everyone who is abstaining - it gets us nowhere.

Vote: Caius for this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2311166&postcount=227)... if RR was/is your suspect, why not vote for him? Further, what are you basing this on?

I still have 70 posts to read through, and will post anything more after that if I feel that any of it strikes me as strange.

[CountArach]

Haha alright, I have been working on getting something concrete. There is something I have found out that I plan on revealing to everyone later tonight (Approx 2200-2400 CST) after I hear back from some people.
This post strikes me as problematic:
1) What information could possibly be better off if revealed later?
2) Who do you need to hear back from and regarding what?

Vote: CountAnarch

I know. And he didn't even spell CountArach's name right.
I believe Beskar (or perhaps someone else) misspelt my name in the Watchtower one time, and since then pever and perhaps others have called me by other names.

Yeah Traitorix, I don't like that CountArnach guy either.

CountAnarch is just so scummy.
Case in point.

[pevergreen]

I believe Beskar (or perhaps someone else) misspelt my name in the Watchtower one time, and since then pever and perhaps others have called me by other names.

It really seemed to annoy you, plus you called me Pever.

:grin2:

[Andres]

Wait are you voting for me for supporting good reasoning?

How did I ever let you guys talk me into org mafia?

I disagree on the "good reasoning" part.

[Sigurd]

I am thinking the reason for the Mafia not to kill is to gather as much information as possible in the early rounds. I can only speak with my experience as a Don in the last game as reference.

Every family should have at least 3 members. One Don, one Luca and one Made.
That makes 15 mafia at the outset of the game. They will need to recruit wise guys to grow and become powerful.
At least in the last game, Mades could investigate a few players every round. Some wise guys and the other members of the families, except for the Don, come up as criminal.
A Don will keep his Luca as a shield to avoid getting randomly killed. I can't remember if a Made could kill on his own or needed a companion (wise guy or another Made) to be able to kill. The Don could send his Luca out killing with his Made, but that would leave him defenseless unless he had some special ability to survive.

I don't doubt for a second that there are other factions working among us; serial killers among others.
They will be responsible for the first kills in this game until the families has been able to recruit enough.
The families will also be warring between themselves because there can be only one Capo de tutti Capi. And people should not be afraid of lynching players. It is only the pro-town roles which we need to keep. All others including townies are potential Capo de tutti Capi.

I belive we should at least have more that one real candidate for this lynch.
I therefore vote: Beskar into second place after FactionHeir. I have no other motive than removing a potential Capo.

[CountArach]

Unvote: Caius
Vote: Sasaki

I think that now would be the perfect time to reveal some information I have from and about this potentially dangerous player. I am only revealing it now after some thinking about how it will affect people's trust in me in future games, but this is Capo so :daisy: it...

Two days ago Sasaki sent me the following PM (titled pentangalini):

According to the prologue, we help control for a matter of months. Apparently when we got busted I was demoted back to townie. I say we should group up again, though I don't trust truepraetorian.

Sasaki
He apparently sent the same thing to scottishranger, who I suggest gets killed tonight, or at least lynched tomorrow.






Our odds are extremely slim, but let's attempt it anyway. We should attempt a kill tonight and try to become wise guys. scottish, have you talked to gibson?

Sasaki
He says his red text prevents him from becoming mafia.

unfortunetly.

What role is CountArach?

townie as well. Perhaps it is better to lay low for a while then. Form a protection group perhaps.

Sasaki
I know of a friend actually who would be willing to do a vigilante kill. That would round out our team.

Excellent. I suggest an attempt on white_eyes.

Sasaki
Alright, Ill let him know.

You'll know him once we send our orders, for securities sake.
No one here has a reason to trust me, but on the other hand this is far more compelling evidence than has been posted in the thread anywhere else. If we can't kill a known Mafia member, we should at least kill a traitorous townie.

Someone please protect me tonight...

[Beefy187]

Unvote: Abstain, Vote:ricera10

Better than nothing.

Hopping on a easy target.

Vote: Split

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good enough for me.

Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Sasaki

[a completely inoffensive name]

Are all mafia games this scandalous?

[pevergreen]

This game has had nothing.

I don't even need to explain this vote. And it has nothing to do with anything posted by CA.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

If we can't kill a known Mafia member, we should at least kill a traitorous townie.

We were about to kill a known mafia member, which takes precedence over a named and shamed townie.

[The Stranger]

omg... some ppl are seriously going to pay for this...

[CountArach]

We were about to kill a known mafia member, which takes precedence over a named and shamed townie.
Care to elaborate?

[Andres]

Hmmm, I'd like to add that I proposed Sasaki to help organising town in a similar way as he did in Tincow's Rubicon game, but he wasn't very cooperative.

But ATPG is right, lynching a know mafioso takes precedence over lynching a potential dangerous townie.

We can lock Sasaki into a town squad for the rest of the game, forcing him to protect at night and nothing else. If he doesn't follow orders, he gets lynched.

ATPG, what do you have on FactionHeir?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Evidence > trust.

ATPG, if you have something on FH, then put up. Otherwise Sasaki goes to the gallows.

[Andres]

omg... some ppl are seriously going to pay for this...

You can still have a role, TS. If you turn out to be townie after the autopsie, then I suggest you organise town efforts (dead are allowed to pm in this game if I'm not mistaken. Seamus, correct me if I'm wrong, please) to get your revenge.

PM conversation with Sasaki:






Hey Sasaki,


I've been thinking about this and maybe Capo III can be won by using the same methods you used in Rubicon, i.e. locking everybody in organised groups and eliminating all those who don't cooperate?

I was thinking about just posting a long list with orders in the public thread, something like:

A,B,C -> protect D
E,F,G,H -> attack D
D, I, J -> protect K
etc...

And asking everybody to send his orders to Seamus, with all members of his group in CC + three or more people who organise everything in Cc as well.

It worked in Rubicon, so I guess it could work in Capo as well.

Would you want to work together on this?

Andres.

P.S.: It's probably the change of avatar that makes you look more trustworthy than usual :beam:

We don't have anyone trustworthy to organize it. Even if you are a townie in this game you can switch sides--so any leader of such a group could betray the whole operation to the mafia. I found several pro town roles in my organizing during rubicon.

Sasaki

Dead can pm in this game and a dead townie can no longer switch sides.

It could be done once the first authopsies (sp?) give us some confirmed innocents.

A.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

[Andres]

I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

You can be protected at night, ATPG. We can even make two protection squads, to be sure. One of them must have Sasaki in it, to neutralise him next night.

[pevergreen]

We dont find out for 2 day phases, IIRC.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATPG, I want a little more than that. Just one PM will do. This whole "I bank my life... if I'm wrong, lynch me" is getting to be a tired act.

[Andres]

ATPG, I want a little more than that. Just one PM will do. This whole "I bank my life... if I'm wrong, lynch me" is getting to be a tired act.

No, not a pm. Public. There's no need for secrecy, there are plently of townies to protect an important pro-town role.

Remember that Mades were able to investigate in the previous game, ATPG might as well be scum trying to get rid of another mafioso.

If he pm's you suggesting he's a made, temptation will be too strong to resist joining his family, GH. ATPG claims he has contacted 1/3d of the players; that's scummy in itself.

Public, ATPG.

If you're town, you'll be protected.

[The Stranger]

MASSIVE FOS AT

Pevergreen (for refusing to talk about ptgroups)
Diana (for wanting to start a mafia family)
Sasaki Kojiro (for admitting in pm that he was mafia)
Reenk Roink (for screwing up coordinated ptgroup efforts)


this was supposed to be my masterpiece... omg people are going to pay. I will continue to put in an effort for the town. All townies that trust me now can contact me to organise ptgroups. All the townies that do not yet can contact me after 3 days!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mafia Made Gangster, Stracchi Family.

I think we are in diferent camps...so I think I have to search my Don and talk to him, I don't know, but I will learn what I have to do

Who was then replaced by FactionHeir. But not before he blurted out his affiliation to townie contacts of mine. I was attempting to do this the subtle way, but pointless bandwagons and a wasted round was not what I had in mind.

I've already got my own protection covered, Andres.

I'm aware a confession is hardly credible evidence, but... should I just ignore it and go about my business? I'm willing to go down if FactionHeir comes with.

[CountArach]

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: FactionHeir

Whilst Sasaki must die, that PM is far more compelling and Sasaki is not a threat for the moment. Not sure why II would claim to be Mafia if he wasn't... then again I don't know why he would say it in the first place.

EDIT: Hmmm, how sure are you that you can trust these townie contacts ATPG? Further, why did you not organise a hit on him last night?

[Jolt]

MASSIVE FOS AT

Pevergreen (for refusing to talk about ptgroups)
Diana (for wanting to start a mafia family)
Sasaki Kojiro (for admitting in pm that he was mafia)
Reenk Roink (for screwing up coordinated ptgroup efforts)


this was supposed to be my masterpiece... omg people are going to pay. I will continue to put in an effort for the town. All townies that trust me now can contact me to organise ptgroups. All the townies that do not yet can contact me after 3 days!

Well, I'm afraid you're probably breaking the rules, as you may be revealing private information that you're not allowed to reveal after your dead. That is unless you're making it up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm think this game was Imperator's first one, and he seemed a little overwhelmed and confused. Honest mistake I think.

I was actually going to hold on to what I knew, and wait around and see what FactionHeir would do, maybe gain some information that way. But to be honest he hasn't done a whole lot and I was not happy with the lead candidates for this round. Time to cut him loose.

Let's re-examine the whole Sasaki/scottishranger thing in the morning. I don't have a problem with that, but this is a priority.


edit: Or maybe it wasn't his first one?

[Andres]

Unvote ; Vote : FactionHeir

[The Stranger]

what is the tally

why am i breaking rules?

[Jolt]

what is the tally

why am i breaking rules?

Nah, rechecked the rules and it appears all your revelations are indeed within the rules. Sorry for that. :P

[DJGingivitis]

vote: faction heir. Hopefully it will turn out better than mongolica.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: FH

For clarification's sake, by "one PM" I meant "show us all one PM", not "send me a PM".

[Beefy187]

I feel silly :shame:

But does all mafia family get their kill on the same night or does some only get the opportunity on odds or even night?

[Khazaar]

For simplicitys sake I would not allow dead people to speak or participate otherwise. With so many people playing this could throw a serious wrench into the gamebalance. I´d preferr if this game stays interesting and no information is revealed by disgruntled dead people...

[TinCow]

Vote: FactionHeir

Finally a decent case emerges.

I will post the following for further info on the case against Sasaki, for a future round. At one point I was scrambling to find a third person for my (ultimately failed) protection group. As part of this, I sent a PM out to about 10 people, one of whom was Sasaki:



As the time limit for the round has been extended, I am making an attempt to find a person to assist in a protection group. I already one partner, but need another person. Please reply to this PM if you are willing to work in a protection group tonight.

Last time I worked with you you betrayed our group to the mafia and sold out our surgeon and detectives...I think not, TinCow, I think not.

Sasaki

Sasaki's response seems way, way off to me. First, it's totally inaccurate. I had nothing to do with the death of any surgeon in Capo II. While I did get a detective (CR) killed, it was by giving his identity to Sasaki himself, who then gave it to the mafia. I never "sold out" anyone, I was firmly pro-town the entire time and just gave out too much information to the wrong person (ironically, Sasaki). Second, Sasaki knows that was my first mafia game (and thus that I made newbie errors) and we have had a very friendly and often cooperative relationship since then. He and I have had numerous discussions via PM during mafia games since then, and he has more than once sought out my opinion unprompted. This response is totally out of character for our relationship since Capo II. It strikes me as a deliberate effort to keep me at arms reach and to prevent me from inquiring further about what he's doing.

I didn't post this earlier, because there are many pro-town reasons for such a reaction, but since Sasaki appears to have acted like this with everyone else, I don't see the harm anymore.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've reconsidered on something. I would welcome a protection group, just in case one fails tonight. If there are people available, and as long as we don't compromise existing groups.

It's a nice offer, and on further thought, I don't necessarily need to die right now just to prove a point.






FactionHeir: 12 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, slashandburn, YLC, CountArach, Andres, DJGingivitis, GeneralHankerchief, TinCow)

Beskar: 5 (Iskander, johnhughthom, Tratorix, Lord Winter, Sigurd)

Reenk Roink: 2 (El Diablo, Shinseikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Centurion1*, Sasaki)
Beefy187: 2 (FactionHeir, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
ricera10: 2 (Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
AVSM: 2 (Myrddraal, Double A)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, pevergreen)

Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
DisgruntledGoat: 1 (psychonaut)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (White_eyes:D)
Scottishranger: 1 (Yaropolk)
Double A: 1 (AVSM)
Caius: 1 (CountArach)
Splitpersonality: 1 (Beefy)

No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 10 (atheotes, Caius, Diana Abnoba, DisgruntledGoat, Moros, ricera10, Twilightblade)


A volunteer to recheck the tally would be lovely, this is based off of Seamus' last tally and counted from there. I am not confident in its accuracy.

[FactionHeir]

Unfortunately I'm not a made. I assume Seamus rejigged roles, because this is my role PM



Your Role is:

Wiseguy, currently unaffiliated.

Victory Conditions

You can chart your own course to victory. You can join a mafia family and work for that family’s victory. You can join a mafia family, try to supplant the Don and become Capo di Tutti Capi yourself. You can form your own Criminal family and try to dominate the others. You can even put crime behind you and work for the victory of the town over the mafia. What route you choose is up to you. If you remain loyal to the town, your victory conditions will be as below:

Town win with 41+% of original townie roles surviving = decisive victory.
Town win with 21-40% of original townie roles surviving = clear victory.
Town win with fewer than 20% of the original townie roles surviving = close victory.
Neither side wins = draw.
Town defeat with fewer than 10% of the orginal mafiosi or wiseguys surviving = close defeat.
Town defeat 11-25% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = clear defeat.
Town defeat 26+% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = decisive defeat.
-- Your personal survival moves you one category up on this scale.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. You are the raw material for expanding a crime family. Remember that if they are unable to recruit you to their cause, you probably become very “expendable” in their eyes.

2. -Lots of red stuff here-

B. Day Actions:

1. You can select/vote as can all players.

C. Night Actions:

1. Combine with 3 townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, one of them will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there). Such kills only count as “half-credit” for your ascension to Made Gangster (unaffiliated).

2. Combine with 2 townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor’ and can progress from there; if you do you’ll cease being a Wise Guy.

3. If following two successful protections you are selected as Doctor and refuse, you can choose to become a regular townie. Two further successful protections will result in your promotion to Detective – but in your case you will become a Rogue Detective.

4. One advantage you have over a townie, while participating in such townie groups, is that should you end up as a “solo” on a save or kill attempt, it is unlikely to get you killed – though there is a chance your identity would be revealed.

5. You may also combine efforts with one other wiseguy or made gangster to kill a target, providing you have the official sanction of that Mafia family. Two successful kills in this manner, along with the formal acceptance of the Don of that family, and you will be promoted to Made Gangster in that family. These kill credits must be compiled with the same family in order to count.

6. You can also achieve Made Gangster status with a non-mafia or new mafia “family.” This requires 4 successful kills as in the half credit noted above.

Investigations

1. If you are investigated by a Detective or FBI Detective, you are equally likely to be noted as a “criminal” or as being “unclear.”
2. If you have killed someone in a non-mafia-sanctioned killing, you will register as “guilty.”
3. If you have killed someone as part of a mafia-sanctioned kill team, you will register as “guilty” only on the night of the murder, but will register as “criminal” thereafter even if you were an “unclear” before.

Role Changing

As noted above, you have many options for a role change and can progress readily in that new role. Remember, once you have chosen a path by moving forward into a new role, however, you cannot reconsider and revert.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The unaffiliated wiseguy role is floating around and not that hard to gain a copy of.

[FactionHeir]

*shrug* I haven't seen it in the thread and I haven't been contacted by anyone but Jolt and Yaropolk yesterday both claiming I was mafia. And I told them that I was a wiseguy.

Lynch me if you must, I was joining the game as a favor anyway.


As proof of my words above:


You know you are Mafia

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Here's the deal. I know you are Mafia. There are other people who know you're Mafia, so killing me won't do the slightest good.

I also have knowledge about an important secret role which is crucial for the town victory. He was protected last turn, and he will most probably be protected this turn. I am doing this to protect myself as I'm possibly gonna be lynched next day (Or maybe not) or killed in two nights (Or maybe not), but here's the deal. I tell you who the special role is, and who is protecting him, and you do the following: On the next night, you kill one of the people protecting him and you kill the special role. How about that?


Very townie like to want to off a pro town role...

And right after I told him what I just said in the thread - that I'm not mafia, but a wiseguy, I get a PM from his buddy Yaropolk:



Capo

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FH,

I am a townie. I know you are mafia - I talked to your predecessor, who unfortunately was quite newbish at the game. 3 other people know as well (no idea if they are townies or not) I want to become mafia, being town is boring. I will kill for next 2 nights to become wiseguy if you promise to recruit me. In exchange I'll help you infiltrate townie circle and you can direct my vote if you want. I will tell you who else knows your identity if you agree to play ball.

Yaro


Came exactly a few minutes after my reply to Jolt, after he read my PM.

As already reiterated, maybe II did have a mafia role (and I asked him why everyone was contacting me thinking I was mafia), but I was not given his role even though I took over for his player.

Your suspects are the above.

[Kagemusha]

Sounds to me that we have a line for gallows. dirty townies Sasaki and Yaropolk and Jolt probably mafia. Now is Factionheir mafia dragging others with him to grave or a wiseguy thats a question mark. Also what is the connection of Askthepizzaguy on all this?

I think i vote: Jolt as according to Factionheirs post he is more then most likely mafia.

[Death is yonder]

I am a townie. I know you are mafia - I talked to your predecessor,

And how would you know that he is a mafia if you were busy protecting ATPG last night?

Not so alone are we Mr Yaropolk?


I will kill for next 2 nights to become wiseguy if you promise to recruit me. In exchange I'll help you infiltrate townie circle and you can direct my vote if you want.

ATPG, I think we need to reorganize several groups...

If the following is true, I will:

Vote:Yaropolk

But do clarify if it sounds a bit scummy, but this is either very very convenient for FH, or just plain BS.


The unaffiliated wiseguy role is floating around and not that hard to gain a copy of.

That thought is floating somewhere around...


I want to become mafia, being town is boring.

Point taken, now what say we lynch you?


I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

Very well, but I'm still very curious why Yaropolk, a supposed "townie", has extra information when he was busy doing a night action last night?

Unvote: Yaropolk
Vote: FactionHeir



Haha alright, I have been working on getting something concrete. There is something I have found out that I plan on revealing to everyone later tonight (Approx 2200-2400 CST) after I hear back from some people.


Uh huh... something concrete eh? And you plan to reveal it at night?

Why not reveal it now so we can make a more calculated lynch since you apparently have found something "concrete" :inquisitive::inquisitive:

[Kagemusha]

And how would you know that he is a mafia if you were busy protecting ATPG last night?

Not so alone are we Mr Yaropolk?



ATPG, I think we need to reorganize several groups...

If the following is true, I will:

Vote:Yaropolk

But do clarify if it sounds a bit scummy, but this is either very very convenient for FH, or just plain BS.



That thought is floating somewhere around...



Point taken, now what say we lynch you?



Very well, but I'm still very curious why Yaropolk, a supposed "townie", has extra information when he was busy doing a night action last night?

Unvote: Yaropolk
Vote: FactionHeir



Uh huh... something concrete eh? And you plan to reveal it at night?

Why not reveal it now so we can make a more calculated lynch since you apparently have found something "concrete" :inquisitive::inquisitive:

And exactly what makes you trust askthepizzaguy so solidly?

[FactionHeir]

In my mind its quite clear that Yaro, Jolt and ATPG are in the same scum group. Jolt's threat in his PM to me makes that very clear. Either they are in the same family or they are two allied families.

unvote: Beefy, vote Jolt

[Yaropolk]

I did not talk to Emperor Inviticus, someone else in our group did (wont mention who). I in fact sent in orders to protect both yesterday, and am part of a protection group today. Perhaps Seamus can be more clear on the meaning of inconclusive pm. The full PM is below to see that I got a legitemate response.


Protection Effort inconclusive, no attack made

Someone did talk to EI. I promptly proposed to our town group to kill him. We sent in orders to protect last night instead. Since mafia boy was going to be around a few rounds I figured this is a good chance to pump him for info.

Vote Factionheir

[FactionHeir]

That all makes sense except for the part where I am not mafia and you still say I am as if to conveniently prevent the lynch of another :inquisitive:

[Andres]

Jolt, Yaro and ATPG start to smell fishy.

ATPG, why exactly did you want protection? After all, you got the information through contacts in private, not by using some special pro-town power.

The fact that you contacted 1/3d of the players in private also smells like recruiting.

FoS : ATPG

:inquisitive:

[TinCow]

Perhaps Seamus can be more clear on the meaning of inconclusive pm.

I also got an 'inconclusive' result, despite definitely showing up for the protection solo. I think protection groups will always get 'inconclusive' if the target wasn't attacked, regardless of whether sufficient people showed up for the protection to be successful.

[Death is yonder]

And exactly what makes you trust askthepizzaguy so solidly?

Well, I'm not exactly 100% sure, but the only motivation he would have from doing this:


I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

1. ATPG is a mafia/don/made (more likely a made if he is a mafia), and they have somehow come up with the notion that FH is a Don and is thus worth making lots of attention bank onto him to execute him now.

2. ATPG is a townie/wiseguy/investigator and he really came up with a guilty result, and has mulled over it and decided that he might as well do something useful.

3. ATPG is a ballsy mafia (quite probable actually, on the account of ballsy mafia), and is confident that the townie (?) protection group organized to protect him will save him from retribution from other mafias from exposing another family's member.

4. Various other reasons

I would just like to state that if FactionHeir doesn't turn up guilty, ( he seems to be our wrong man?) Yaropolk is my next suspect. :bow:

I would also like to pause and consider that it is on ATPG's word that we have a pretty large group of voting on FactionHeir.

I would like to hear the rest of the players take on the matter :bow:

On the matter of inconclusiveness, these are the pms I got from Seamus.


Inconclusive

This was Seamus's first pm to me at approximately 4.59 pm GMT. 3 hours later, he sent me this:


Protection Effort inconclusive, no attack made

I'm guessing he thought it was too ambiguous and was trying to prevent any confusion as to whether the inconclusiveness was due to lack of participation or lack of need for it.


I also got an 'inconclusive' result, despite definitely showing up for the protection solo.

Hmm... confusing :embarassed:

[Pannonian]

For simplicitys sake I would not allow dead people to speak or participate otherwise. With so many people playing this could throw a serious wrench into the gamebalance. I´d preferr if this game stays interesting and no information is revealed by disgruntled dead people...
Activity to keep pro-town discussion alive has always been at least partly reliant on dead people keeping interest levels up. Silencing the dead has always been a useful scum tactic, so that voting can be more easily controlled.

Vote: Khazaar

Please explain yourself.

[Myrddraal]

I agree that ATPG's gang certainly is racking up the fish smell. Having said that, FactionHeir would behave no differently whether he was or wasn't mafia, and this alleged PM is too good to avoid. To be honest I didn't expect anything nearly as concrete in the early rounds.

Unvote, Vote: FactionHeir

If the autopsy acquits him then, as Kage says, we have a queue forming for the gallows.

[FactionHeir]

1. ATPG claimed I was a made, not a Don.
2. If there's supposedly a Wiseguy PM floating around privately (which as I said know nothing about because I have not been in contact with anyone else), then I would imagine an inconclusive protection PM was floating around as well.



Having said that, FactionHeir would behave no differently whether he was or wasn't mafia

You are too kind :bow:

[Myrddraal]

Activity to keep pro-town discussion alive has always been at least partly reliant on dead people keeping interest levels up. Silencing the dead has always been a useful scum tactic, so that voting can be more easily controlled.

Vote: Khazaar

Please explain yourself.

Looking back, I think Khazaar's only post in this game has been an attempt to silence TS accusations. Did TS finger a mafia buddy? Lurking certainly doesn't keep a game interesting.

Since FH is lynched already:

Unvote, Vote: Khazaar

[Death is yonder]

1. ATPG claimed I was a made, not a Don.
2. If there's supposedly a Wiseguy PM floating around privately (which as I said know nothing about because I have not been in contact with anyone else), then I would imagine an inconclusive protection PM was floating around as well.


Just out of interest, does the publicly posted wise guy role pm look practically the same or something from Capo II or Capo I? If it does, perhaps that is something to consider?


I agree that ATPG's gang certainly is racking up the fish smell.

I would agree that its starting to look a bit weird, but lets see where this round takes us first.

[TinCow]

I would also like to pause and consider that it is on ATPG's word that we have a pretty large group of voting on FactionHeir.

I would like to hear the rest of the players take on the matter :bow:

If ATPG is lying, we'll know it eventually. In Capo, the roles of the dead are posted after 3 day/night cycles have passed. If FH turns out not to be who ATPG says he is, and ATPG is still alive at that point, he is an easy lynch. Thus, I see no harm in voting based on ATPG's claims because we'll know whether he's lying soon enough.

[Death is yonder]

Then the question becomes, would it be still plausible/beneficial to continue the series of protection groups on ATPG?

Do the gains outweigh the losses? Isn't 3 rounds a lot of time to do more scummy stuff?

[FactionHeir]

Considering ATPG supposedly got the information privately rather than via whichever role he has, I'm not sure how this warrants a protection in the first place. A good townie does not mind making a sacrifice for the greater good.

Besides, if ATPG is targeted and there is no protection group on him, we will know soon enough if he was a Don (i.e. his Luca saves him) or not. This would also mean 1 less mafia kill if he needs family protection because his Luca wouldn't be able to go out and kill. In fact, a probing vigilante group against him might be a viable option to test that hypothesis.

I would also suggest lynching Jolt next phase, because he obviously is mafia.

[TinCow]

Then the question becomes, would it be still plausible/beneficial to continue the series of protection groups on ATPG?

Do the gains outweigh the losses? Isn't 3 rounds a lot of time to do more scummy stuff?

:shrug:

Capo is a target rich environment. There will probably always be multiple lynch-worthy scum in every single day phase; we're already seeing it here. IMO, the best way to operate is to knock off whoever seems to be the highest ranking. At the moment, we have a potential Made competing with wiseguys, traitorous townies, and unknowns. So, knock off the Made and re-evaluate in the next round. If ATPG is top of the list on Day 3, then he'll get lynched then.

In any case, at worst, FH is a Made. At best, he is a publicly known wiseguy. If FH isn't a Made now, you can bet that he will be later in the game if we let him live. So, even if FH is telling the truth, it's not the end of the world to lynch him.

[Sigurd]

Considering the fits Imperator Invictus is throwing all over the org, I am inclined to at least believe that II confessed to something. Why would he get angry and blow up like that if this is not remotely true?
Saying that, It does not necessarily follow that FactionHeir would inherit II's role.
It is an assumption made by ATPG, Jolt and Yaropolk.

It was ATPG who made it public, but II attacked both Jolt and Yaropolk before FactionHeir revealed their PMs. ATPG did not disclose where he got this information from. Imperator did with his tantrums. And apparently FactionHeir gave those names to Imperator which caused him to short circuit.
I say FactionHeir looks more guilty than innocent.

unvote: RR, vote: FactionHeir

[FactionHeir]

I already explained the II throwing a fit part in my post above. I asked him about why people are PMing me about the role he had when my wiseguy role doesn't seem to say its mafia affiliated.

[Sigurd]

I already explained the II throwing a fit part in my post above. I asked him about why people are PMing me about the role he had when my wiseguy role doesn't seem to say its mafia affiliated.
Did you specifically mention Jolt and Yaropolk to Imperator ? And what would the normal reaction be to such a PM? I am guessing not the way Imperator reacted.

I am thinking you and/or your Stracchi buddies came down hard on poor Imperator which in turn flipped out.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Considering ATPG supposedly got the information privately rather than via whichever role he has, I'm not sure how this warrants a protection in the first place. A good townie does not mind making a sacrifice for the greater good.

Besides, if ATPG is targeted and there is no protection group on him, we will know soon enough if he was a Don (i.e. his Luca saves him) or not. This would also mean 1 less mafia kill if he needs family protection because his Luca wouldn't be able to go out and kill. In fact, a probing vigilante group against him might be a viable option to test that hypothesis.

I would also suggest lynching Jolt next phase, because he obviously is mafia.

Why is he obviously mafia when we haven't confirmed anything about ATPG? I find that just as baseless an accusation as ATPG has been using to incriminate you. I'm cautious of ATPG for more reasons than what has come up in this thread alone. But I'm willing to go for the "if he's clean I can go" clause that ATPG has added to his argument.

Obviously, I do agree with FactionHeir that should ATPG turn out to be "pulling the wool over our eyes" that the rest of his posse would look rather guilty by association.

One question I have for ATPG is why did you feel so threatened N1?

I'm willing to play along for now ATPG, I just hope I'm not being misled.

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: FractionHeir

[FactionHeir]

Did you specifically mention Jolt and Yaropolk to Imperator ? And what would the normal reaction be to such a PM? I am guessing not the way Imperator reacted.

I am thinking you and/or your Stracchi buddies came down hard on poor Imperator which in turn flipped out.


You know me well enough to know I don't strong-arm :yes:
I simply asked him who he told that he was mafia and why so I could inform these people that I am not. I did indeed mention Jolt and Yaro specifically to him and asked if there were any others.
I quoted my role PM sent to me by Seamus in public as this has become blown way out of proportion now.

[Khazaar]

I think I made it plenty clear why I think that it might be better if dead players aren´t allowed to talk, but let me rephrase that. It is mentioned that previous Capo games have been broken by bad conduct just by posting stuff they normally weren´t allowed to. I´d rather be dead and read an interesting game then live and sit through a broken one. If i were Mafia I would never have commented on this publicly, intead I would have PM´ed the host. A bit too cheap to get rid of me, especcially since you yourself haven´t been overly active, maybe you´re just looking for an easy target.

Vote:Abstain

[Sigurd]

You know me well enough to know I don't strong-arm :yes:
I simply asked him who he told that he was mafia and why so I could inform these people that I am not. I did indeed mention Jolt and Yaro specifically to him and asked if there were any others.
I quoted my role PM sent to me by Seamus in public as this has become blown way out of proportion now.
Maybe you are in the clear in this regard, but the fact remains. Something made Imperator flip regarding this and put him promptly in the timeout box.
Maybe you are not Stracchi but Imperator was. Maybe he was "strong-armed" by members of the Stracchi family - if so - they should at least contact TosaInu and square things with Imperator.

A brief look at this:
You asked Imperator not knowing who accused you. Imperator goes bananas.
Imperator accuses Jolt and Yaropolk of lying and gets a timeout for excessive swearing and spamming.
It still doesn't add up. What am I missing?

[scottishranger]

Tally As of this post


FactionHeir: 16 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, slashandburn, YLC, CA, Andres, DJGingy, General Hankerchief, TinCow, Death is Yonder, Yaropolk, Sigurd, Disgruntled Goat)


Beskar: 4 (Iskander, johnhughthom, Tratorix, Lord Winter)

Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Centurion1*, Sasaki)
Khazaar: 2 (Pannonian,Myrddaal)
ricera10: 2 (Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo,Pevergreen)
Reenk Roink: 2 (El Diablo, Shinseikhaan)
Jolt: 2 (Kage, FactionHeir)

AVSM: 1 (Double A)
Double A: 1 (AVSM)
Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
DisgruntledGoat: 1 (psychonaut)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (White_eyes:D)
Myrddraal: 1 (Andres)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, CA)
Sigurd: 1 (Pevergreen)
Split: 1 (Beefy)
Beefy187: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)



No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 8 (atheotes, Caius, Jolt, Diana Abnoba,Moros, ricera10, Twilightblade, Khazaar)

*Centurion1's vote is not formatted correctly;


Well, a lot stuff has happened while iv been sleeping. Unfortunetly, I havent seen all the incriminating evidence against FH yet. (wink wink I would like to see it for myself)

[gibsonsg91921]

Next off, we should kill everyone who voted for FactionHeir because that is a runaway bandwagon.

[Craterus]

vote:ricera10. Doesn't seem like my vote will make a difference as FactionHeir is already a condemned man but I haven't read the thread thoroughly enough to know the case against him. ATPG's word? Or something more than that.

I've only skimmed the thread because I don't have a lot of time and I understand the deadline is less than 10 minutes away.

However, Lord Winter's post on page 5... I'll just confirm that I haven't been in contact with him so far in this game. Strangely aggressive behaviour which could well have started a bandwagon on me but I don't think he's mafia. It's a bit too aggressive this early in the game for that.

[shlin28]

That was a very very long read :wall:

FH seems to be a pretty good lynch for the first round, but I like to bring up a tiny accusation against ATPG.

Unfortunately, I cannot quote the evidence as the conversations which formed it were made on MSN on another computer, so I can't quote the chat history :furious3:

ATPG told me that, after I said The Stranger is acting very fishy, The Stranger had talked to ATPG and DJV (and others) about forming a mafia family. That in itself is quite a coup, if it was true.

Then, I contacted The Stranger to ask him about it. He said he did not do that, and instead asked them to join protection groups, and that he did not mention forming a mafia family at all.

Either of them could be lying, and the liar would almost certainly be mafia-alligned. (Below is my really rubbish reasons for why TS is more trustworthy than ATPG... but on a reread my arguments sucked, so everyone just consider why would ATPG and TS have conflicting views on their conversations - if it is TS lying, he's dead already, if it is ATPG lying, he commited something extrememely suspicious, so either way, it's good for the town.)

The Stranger's role is almost certainly a townie - He seems to have a townie PM before it was revealed publically. (Of course, if the mafia were given cover PMs... then the theory falls apart) Don't forget that he posted a really silly question on the summary thread ("Do protection groups still exist?"), which I really don't think an experienced player with an anti-town role would ask, even if their PM was incomplete like TS's was. He also appears to be organising a lot of protection groups. Hence, I think he is pretty much townie. A townie could still turn against the town of course, but what would he gain from getting rid of ATPG, a mere Wiseguy?

ATPG on the other hand, is an admitted Wiseguy. He also has lots of information, which by itself is not suspicious, but, he claimed to me during D1 that he has "a known mafia member" contacting him, which is now evidently II. But why did he not reveal earlier? By waiting for some 48 hours, he could not possibly gain any more information about it. He also said he knows several townies who are planning to turn to the dark side... yet no names, not even a threat to reveal them. Suspicious much? Vote: ATPG

This case probably makes no sense whatsoever, as I am still recovering from a 12 hour flight, but my conversations with ATPG and TS had just been far too suspicious for my liking.

[Ironside]

I'll guess FactionHeir will die today and it makes quite some sence, Tincow covered the resons quite well.

But as FH is already condemned in practice I'll go with another option.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

There's still some oddities about Askthepizzaguy and his group, even in the case that he's truthful about FH. ATPG admitted in a previous post in considering to not reveal FH, but because FH hasn't done a whole lot, ATPG decided to reveal (ATPG:s words in post 329).

A. How does ATPG have any knowledge of that? We can be fairly certain that ATPG and FH had no pm contact otherwise it would already have surfaced by one of the players.
B. Why would a pro-townie consider it? FH would most likely keep the names of the rest of his family secret for at least several rounds in case of any type of infiltration attemts

Both Jolt and Yaropolk is supposed to have contacted FH with mafia offers, that FH is presumed to have turned down. Thus both seems to be affiliated with ATPG (being his source of info, that can we be quite certain of) and been doing some odd buissness, as FH not going the mafia way is "he hasn't done a whole lot" and warrants a kill. How many townies want a "puppet mafia" for killing instead of hampering the growth of a mafia family?

We also have YLC that pulls a:

"So - FoS: Factionheir and GSC
And Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Factionheir",
without any reason in post 252. That is the first vote on FH with FH done nothing in the thread and before ATPG reveals anything. YLC and ATPG in contact?

About Imperator, one possiblity is a leaked red "childhood friend" that was in last round, or that he feels betrayed by someone he gave the info to. The info is a bit detailed to have been recieved any other way and his hizzy fit feels a bit odd for simply being "strong-armed" by his family.

[ULC]

Ironside, I gave reason - I said it was fishy that Beefy was being accused and voted for because of a Fedora, and thus changed my vote to FH, who started the vote, and I was indeed waiting for FH to counter or at least full explain why, even after it was asserted their was no reason to vote for beefy, he did not change his vote. - based on the context of what I was saying, I would have thought a man such as yourself would have caught that.

However, afterward, ATPG did approach me and ask that my vote remain on FH because he was a mafioso...

[glyphz]

That was a very very long read :wall:

FH seems to be a pretty good lynch for the first round, but I like to bring up a tiny accusation against ATPG.

A long read, perhaps, but it's a much more promising D1 development than most (that I've been part of so far).
Jolt's and Yaropolk's PMs (provided by FactionHeir) are indeed very disturbing, and I find them to be possibly more inclined to go rogue than FH. But then again, these 'rebellious' thoughts comes out when they have a means, such is an exposed Wiseguy. Most likely a better D1 lynch than some random vote-throwing.

Also, I wouldn't let go the issue of Beefy wearing a fedora in the write-ups. There are more scum in this game than pro-town roles, so in case the detective also wears a fedora, it's a small chance that he is, unless the other mafia snuff him in the next turns.

On a lighter side, since FH is pretty much secured, I can preserve my D1 tradition, thus Vote: YLC

[Lord Winter]

I'm still uneasy about the faction heir lynch. The PM could have been faked by pizza fairly eaisly. However, beggers can't be chosers and you can't afford to wait untill your sure a person is guility in mafia.



As for Jolt and Yaro, I would advocate lynching Jolt next round and watching yaro through the rest of the game. I agree with the others Jolt is showing many signs of being a made. However, Yaro is a townie who wanted to become mafia but didn't. At this stage he's to small a fish when we have so many other better targets laying around.

[Lord Winter]

Really need to work on bolding my votes

Unvote: Beskar
Vote: Factionheir

[Kagemusha]

Well Factionheir is either casualty of war or we got a mafioso. When the autopsy comes out we will know more.

[Ironside]

Ironside, I gave reason - I said it was fishy that Beefy was being accused and voted for because of a Fedora, and thus changed my vote to FH, who started the vote, and I was indeed waiting for FH to counter or at least full explain why, even after it was asserted their was no reason to vote for beefy, he did not change his vote. - based on the context of what I was saying, I would have thought a man such as yourself would have caught that.

However, afterward, ATPG did approach me and ask that my vote remain on FH because he was a mafioso...

Evidently my searching didn't go back far enough in the thread, didn't see FH:s earlier posts. :oops: These mafia threads grow too fast. My appologies. :shame:

My point about ATPG still stands though. He did not comment about an earlier part of the thread.

[Haudegen]

Wow, what a day.

Vote: FactionHeir

I think everything has been said on this issue. After three days we will probably see clearer.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. In all, I suppose Factionheir's not a bad lynch. But I am rather suspicious of ATPG and his quite devoted followers.

Since Factionheir's death is assured, I'll follow rule #1 and
vote: Sasaki

CR

[FactionHeir]

Maybe you are in the clear in this regard, but the fact remains. Something made Imperator flip regarding this and put him promptly in the timeout box.
Maybe you are not Stracchi but Imperator was. Maybe he was "strong-armed" by members of the Stracchi family - if so - they should at least contact TosaInu and square things with Imperator.

A brief look at this:
You asked Imperator not knowing who accused you. Imperator goes bananas.
Imperator accuses Jolt and Yaropolk of lying and gets a timeout for excessive swearing and spamming.
It still doesn't add up. What am I missing?

Not quite, I asked Imperator knowing that Jolt and Yaro accused me. That is the link missing in your analysis :yes:

[The Stranger]

i trust ATPG. I'm a townie, yes. and my kill is made by someone who knew i had some plans to rally the town. i wanted to do so myself while staying alive but i hadnt thought about someone killing me so soon because usually they trust me to do something crazy and get myself lynched.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Soo much to read... :dizzy2:

Vote: Factionheir

[LittleGrizzly]

Hmm. In all, I suppose Factionheir's not a bad lynch. But I am rather suspicious of ATPG and his quite devoted followers.

If its not a bad lynch (by day 1 standards its a pretty good one) then is it really devotion to ATPG causing us to vote FH or the fact we have a pretty convincing case ?

If you more talking about his defenders thats fair enough... I myself don't trust him fully and his excessive pm'ing is a cause for concern...

[shlin28]

Well my theory just got blown out of the water by The Stranger...

Oh well... Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Abstain

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. In all, I suppose Factionheir's not a bad lynch. But I am rather suspicious of ATPG and his quite devoted followers.

If its not a bad lynch (by day 1 standards its a pretty good one) then is it really devotion to ATPG causing us to vote FH or the fact we have a pretty convincing case ?

If you more talking about his defenders thats fair enough... I myself don't trust him fully and his excessive pm'ing is a cause for concern...

When I say devoted followers, I don't mean people just voting for Factionheir. I mean the ones PM'ing him and insisting that he's a made mafioso.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm aware that my numerous contacts and affiliations, and my prompting of this runaway bandwagon on FactionHeir makes people raise eyebrows. :inquisitive:

This isn't a question of what I would do as a mafioso, because I've demonstrated I'd do a lot, in the past. The question is, why would I stick my neck out this far just to get FactionHeir lynched on a hunch, or if he were a rival mafioso and I was looking out for my family? The odds of FH hitting one member of my supposed family versus me definitely dying soon don't add up.

If Factionheir is mafia, I've made a verifiable enemy with his family, if he is not, I've made a verifable enemy of the town. It's that simple. Either way, there will be numerous players who want me dead. Already people who were willing to give me the benefit of the doubt are starting to waver.

I've shot my ammo on this lynch. I don't have the credibility or influence to continue whatever it is that I am doing if it is malevolent in nature. I've also made myself a probable investigation target.

there were questions:

Q1. Why was I so concerned with my safety on round one?

A1. After contacting a third of the Capo roster about possible protection groups, I felt that, I dunno, someone might take me out. Less leaders of the town cause equals more disorganization. Plus I tend to annoy the mafia in games. Case in point.

Q2. Regarding Shlin and The Stranger, what's up with that?

A2. The Stranger rubbed me the wrong way with his inital contact towards me, but I realized he was being so bold with his questioning, he was probably going to harm himself in the process. He made a number of people I was talking to a little nervous, because he was asking for role PMs and so forth. It wasn't a matter of them having anything to hide, (I don't think) it was a matter of being so forward in a game of secrecy, I suppose. I figured that if he were mafia, his actions would be self-destructive, and if he were townie (which I suspected) he would do a lot of good with his group organization. I cooperated with him, shared my role PM, and encouraged him to do his best for town.
There was also a situation where he was talking to me and someone else, and brought up which direction to move this game. I suspected that was his way of testing our townie loyalties, and I even told him so. It is a good move.

Shlin contacted me about The Stranger and I told him all the contact I had with him to-date, up front and honestly. I also suggested I thought he was a townie trying to do some good.

Bottom line, I've spoken with a lot of people this game, and it's perfectly natural to question that behavior and ask why I was contacting them. I'm sure many people will have similar stories. "Yeah, Pizzaguy contacted me too, and I have my own dramatic behind the scenes storyline to share, isn't that wierd?" not really. Par for the course with me. I'm already so very exposed and generally screwed to the wall, regardless of my honest intentions. If I get past round four I will be surprised. I'll accept the healthy paranoia for now, and answer your questions, but not everything I do equals me being a scumbag.

Q3. Why did you contact so many people?

A3. Many of the people in this game don't have oodles of friends to immediately hook up with, or are new, or joined the activities late and were left without a partner. That's a given. In order for these people to be semi-accounted for, and perhaps actually do some good, someone needs to go door to door, knocking, and asking if they would be interested in protection groups.

Do you think I didn't anticipate that would cause some questions on me? Of course. Don't really care.

A dozen or two townies with activities that can be somewhat verified, people getting partners they didn't have before, and making contacts which could turn out to be either mafioso or pro-townies, that is worth more than one townie's life.

What I'm doing gains me unwanted attention and makes me enemies. Before I head to the gallows or you find me in a gutter somewhere, I'll do what I can to gain information on who might be a scumbag, and bring them to you. I'll do what I can to pair up people who are having trouble finding partners. I'll give myself a headache and stay up until 7am trying to get things moving even when people drop out of their groups. Because I know I won't be at it for very long. TBH I've nearly had my fill already. It's a lot more work doing this than simply chuckling and finding other townies who might have delusions of grandeur and secret strategies to become the last one standing. I'm sure that is a lot of fun.

Even if I manage to do some good, plenty of players hate the strategy I am using, and may feel it wise to bump me off regardless, because they think it is a threat to the town in general. Ah well, those are the breaks. People do things their way, I do it my way, and there's room for both.

Spoilered for your convenience. I'll answer other questions.

[Splitpersonality]

This thread is making my head hurt.

[Greyblades]

What the... I forget to check up on this thread and its jumped 5 pages. :dizzy2:

[TinCow]

Welcome to Capo.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG, there is a flaw in your reasoning really. You thought you were certain that I was mafia and therefore figured its a good gamble to take. A family without a made cannot kill and its unlikely it would gain recruits. Other mafia families wouldn't care much either way. Town would hail you as a hero and essentially give you innocent status, allowing you to direct its efforts to your liking.

[Splitpersonality]

So ATPG would be in control of the town by making himself seem amazing because he killed off a potential mafia member.

It seems like he could throw a non-family guy under the bus to save himself, and that is in all honestly something quite likely to happen in Capo, judging from what I've seen, but ATPG seems to be in the same "All powerful townie organizer" mode he normally does in large games... (Again from what I've observed)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting concluded as of 1400. Last post to be used will be 378.

Write up to follow as rapidly as practicable.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I want my vote for pevergreen to count, for some reason it wasn't counted in earlier tallys.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, there is a flaw in your reasoning really. You thought you were certain that I was mafia and therefore figured its a good gamble to take. A family without a made cannot kill and its unlikely it would gain recruits. Other mafia families wouldn't care much either way. Town would hail you as a hero and essentially give you innocent status, allowing you to direct its efforts to your liking.

The flaw in your reasoning is much larger than the flaw in mine. My scummy rating has jumped progressively higher and higher as this round has gone on, and with all the fingers pointed in my direction.

Even if I am correct about you, that hardly clears me, as many have pointed out.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sunset, Day Two

As the sun tired of presiding over the bickering committee and began to disappear under the trees of the mainland, One of the Director's guard banged the gavel and began to tally up the final votes. Oddly enough, the Director himself, Reenk Roink, was not present at the meeting, having presided quietly through much of the session but not returning from the last break...

The committee watched in uneasy silence as the Director's men did the count in hushed tones. They weren't announcing the results out loud, rather content with scribbling tallies on a sheet of paper.

Once they had finished, one of the Director's men came and approached the committee members. He went directly to Factionheir and handed him a business card.

"The Director wants you to go to this address immediately," the man said to Factionheir, pointing at the card.

As Factionheir looked at the card, he saw only a grape embossed on the front. Turning it around, he saw an address scribbled in a barely legible cursive: 732 Bay Street. Next to the address was a crudely drawn map.

Factionheir looked quizzically at the Director's man. He swallowed, nervous, not quite believing this was happening. "This is certainly a change from how we, how we used to do it in Fatlington. Do I even get a last meal?"

The guard shrugged and said flatly, "It's Reenkster."

So Factionheir put on his coat and began trodding through the slushy streets of Fatlington. After what seemed like half an hour he found himself back towards the bayside close to the docks -- well out of Fatlington’s center city and in the slums.

Beginning to get goosebumps due more to his surroundings than the cold, Factionheir pressed on, following the map until he found Bay Street, tucked away behind a run town tenement building. The street was more of an alley, complete with trash strewn about and the animals - and people - it attracted.

His throat swelled with fear as he realized that he would be shot and dumped in a trash heap like some filthy raccoon. However, as he continued to walk down the street, he could see a faint glow that stood apart from its dark and grungy surroundings.

When Factionheir got close enough, he could hear the faint sounds of people talking with a catchy bass line in the background. The now visible sign on top of the door read 'Club 30'.

Taking a deep breath, Factionheir opened the door and took in the sight of Club 30. It was as if time had stood still for twenty years here. Factionheir didn't recognize anyone at the club, it was a completely different crew.

The men were all dressed in dark suits, black, dark blue or brown, with top hats. The women - well, Factionheir wasn't paying much attention to what they wore...

At that moment, the front door opened again. The unusual sensation of air rushing out of the club was felt by the patrons. Making his entrance was a man who, unlike the other gents, wore a cream white suit over a satin blue shirt. He had a matching hat to boot and it was tilted forward so as to cover half of his face and leave a shadow over the other half. Unlike FH's own entrance, which had been met with indifference, the entire club's gaze fell upon the man as it fell quiet, allowing each one of the man's steps to be clearly audible.

For a moment, all was still. Then the man in the cream white suit reached inside his breast pocket as if to draw a gun. Hushed gasps were heard and Factionheir froze in terror. All for naught however, as the man in the cream white suit pulled out a dime and flipped it across the room. It went into the coin slot of the Wurlitzer 850 Peacock perfectly and a melody lick began to emanate that Factionheir had never heard before.

"Dance for the Director," were the words addressed to the committee’s designated victim by the man in the cream white suit. "If you're good enough, you're home free."

After some hesitation from the unexpectedness of the situation, a grin came across [victim's] face. If there was one thing he could do, it was dance.

So he began to dance - not the jitterbug that everyone and their grandmother could do - Factionheir performed moves on the floor that nobody had ever seen before, and it meshed perfectly with the music.

The club patrons had focused their attention on Factionheir and he received much applause for his innovative dance. His backslides, his spins, his crotch grabs all drew cheers of amazement from the crowd. Even the Director noted his approval by nodding, and when his head was moved up, a smile could be seen on his face. "Fred Astaire couldn't have done better."

At that moment, the Director had begun to join in the dancing himself. At first Factionheir was enjoying the company, as the Director would match every move he made, and the crowd was loving the performance. This amusement soon turned into anxiety as Factionheir realized he wasn't able to keep up with the Director. Factionheir wanted to stop but realized he wasn't even able to control his own movements. He had to match up with each of the Director's moves even though it was becoming physically impossible to do so.

Suddenly, the music began to segue into a blistering sax solo, and the Director stopped and stood erect. He lifted his hat, exposing his face, and nearly all the ladies and a tenth of the gents in the club swooned and fainted. He then began to lean forward, nothing of his body moving except his ankles. After a certain angle, it became clear that this was an impossible lean, but the Director continued on until he was fourty-five degrees to the ground. He hovered there for a bit and then slowly made is way back up, turning to face Factionheir as to indicate it was his turn.

Factionheir felt his body stiffen and then felt his ankles tilt. After he had passed the point of no return, he tried desperately to pull himself back up but no amount of strain on the calf and foot muscles would be of avail.

As he was about to fall, Factionheir heard the sound of a motor from underneath the floor. He got the feeling that his soon to be messed up face wasn't going to be his biggest problem. A rusted spike suddenly burst out from the parquet and ran him through the sternum.

As the spike retracted, FH's body eased the the floor. The Director tipped his hat back down and made his exit.

Back at the convention center, the remainder of the committee had witnessed the event via a state-of-the-art television broadcast. Entertained, appalled, bewildered – a mixture of emotions played across their faces. Then they filed out into the night.


OOC

Night Two begins. Please have your orders in by 1500 Eastern on Wednesday 8/12/9 (1100GMT). Earlier delivery is preferred as it speeds the write-up. Please put “n2 orders” in your subject lines for ease of handling.

ANYONE with concerns – and any now dead – should check the rules on play by the dead in the first post of the summary thread.

Final Tally:

1st
FactionHeir: 18 (Andres, Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, CountArach, Death is Yonder, DisgruntledGoat, DJGingivtis, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegen, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, Lord Winter, Sigurd, slashandburn, Tincow, Yaropolk, YLC)

2nd
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Centurion1, Ironside, Sasaki, shlin28)

3rd & 4th
Beskar: 3 (Iskander, johnhughthom, Tratorix)
ricera10: 3 (Craterus, Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)

5th (tied)
Jolt: 2 (Factionheir, Kagemusha)
Khazaar: 2 (Myrddraal, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink: 2 (El Diablo, Shinseikhaan)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, pevergreen)

Others
AVSM: 1 (Double A)
Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
Beefy187: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
DisgruntledGoat: 1 (psychonaut)
Double A: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (White_eyes:D)
pevergreen: 1 (a completely inoffensive name)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty: 1 (Beefy187)
YLC: 1 (glyphz)

No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 7 (atheotes, Caius, Diana Abnoba, Khazaar, Moros, ricera10, Twilightblade)

Voted Late: 3 (Crazed Rabbit [for Sasaki]; shlin28's [vote change pizza to abstain], rhyfelwyr [factionheir])

[Jolt]

Awesome. I both abstained and voted for FactionHeir at the same time.

[johnhughthom]

FoS:Jolt

Two votes eh?

[gibsonsg91921]

That's why he retaliated and voted for you.

[Splitpersonality]

He lifted his hat, exposing his face, and nearly all the ladies and a tenth of the gents in the club swooned and fainted.


I think we made a good choice on our director :clown:

[Double A]

Why are you panicking with a single vote on you?

Because I'm not reading enough Douglas Adams.

Hey you're the one that did an OMGUS vote. Basically. Kinda. Maybe.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Why is there no vote from me? I voted.

[Double A]

Your name was too inoffensive.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

In order to keep somewhat up-to-date...

Jolt and Yaropolk certainly look to be somewhat dangerous, not to mention traitorous. Would either of you care to respond to FactionHeir's claims beyond a flat denial?

This episode also highlights the dangers of trusting a 'townie' in this game. Roles not being static any sort of association is bound to be fraught with risk. While ATPG rightly insists that people tied up in protection groups can't go off and kill, there are issues with the inconclusivity of the results of these groups should the target not be attacked. But hey, thats the joys of Mafia...

[Veronica "Trouble" Toluso]

Sorry about the delay in joining, all.

My first time.

Won't wait to post until I've read all 14 pages.

Damn lot to read.

[ricera10]

I'd have to say this game is pretty crazy; I opened up my mouth once and got two lynch votes. I shudder to think about what might happen if I contribute anything tomorrow (in-game).

[Yaropolk]

In order to keep somewhat up-to-date...

Jolt and Yaropolk certainly look to be somewhat dangerous, not to mention traitorous. Would either of you care to respond to FactionHeir's claims beyond a flat denial?

This episode also highlights the dangers of trusting a 'townie' in this game. Roles not being static any sort of association is bound to be fraught with risk. While ATPG rightly insists that people tied up in protection groups can't go off and kill, there are issues with the inconclusivity of the results of these groups should the target not be attacked. But hey, thats the joys of Mafia...


Check out post 346:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2311627&postcount=346

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tally has been corrected after discussion with a few others. Sorry to have missed a few votes, but I was running late and took a tally for granted at one point. Dumb, but true. My fault.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

@ Yaropolk: Thanks. Probably missed it in the mountains of reading beforehand. I meant more the potentially damaging claim on the part of FactionHeir, (ie: That you approached him and offered to switch allegiances.), rather than that you knew about Imperator Invictus' status. I'm curious to know which protection group you were part of, and if your partners would come forward. I'm not overly suspicious as of yet, Factionheir may merely have wanted to shift some heat from himself, but at first glance there appears to have been an attempted vigilante hit on N1, which may have contained townies wishing to proceed along a path to promotion to wise-guy etc..., as there was obviously little evidence to warrant that on the first day. It may have contained you and your 'protection' group may have got inconclusive results, I'm sure that PM is floating around somewhere. There are plenty of flaws in that argument I know, and I'm not wanting to make the mistake of going after someone ruthlessly who may have been framed. But some names of associates and some confirmation would be good.

NB: I consider Jolt to be much more of a concern...

[naut]

Sounds to me that we have a line for gallows. dirty townies Sasaki and Yaropolk and Jolt probably mafia. Now is Factionheir mafia dragging others with him to grave or a wiseguy thats a question mark. Also what is the connection of Askthepizzaguy on all this?

I think i vote: Jolt as according to Factionheirs post he is more then most likely mafia.
This post bugged me. Kage talks, but says nothing at all.

[Beefy187]

I'd have to say this game is pretty crazy; I opened up my mouth once and got two lynch votes. I shudder to think about what might happen if I contribute anything tomorrow (in-game).

I'm pretty sure, my first time posting was even worse :sweatdrop:

[Twilightblade]

hey beefy wasnt that the game where you got lynched after two posts?

[naut]

So ATPG would be in control of the town by making himself seem amazing because he killed off a potential mafia member.

It seems like he could throw a non-family guy under the bus to save himself, and that is in all honestly something quite likely to happen in Capo, judging from what I've seen, but ATPG seems to be in the same "All powerful townie organizer" mode he normally does in large games... (Again from what I've observed)
This post also bugs me. He says the same stuff as FH said in the post above. Adds nothing and makes it look like (to the average skim reader) he's contributing. But, really he isn't.

[Beefy187]

hey beefy wasnt that the game where you got lynched after two posts?

That would be it :sweatdrop:

That scared me too much, I stopped playing for a few games

[Yaropolk]

@ Yaropolk: Thanks. Probably missed it in the mountains of reading beforehand. I meant more the potentially damaging claim on the part of FactionHeir, (ie: That you approached him and offered to switch allegiances.), rather than that you knew about Imperator Invictus' status. I'm curious to know which protection group you were part of, and if your partners would come forward. I'm not overly suspicious as of yet, Factionheir may merely have wanted to shift some heat from himself, but at first glance there appears to have been an attempted vigilante hit on N1, which may have contained townies wishing to proceed along a path to promotion to wise-guy etc..., as there was obviously little evidence to warrant that on the first day. It may have contained you and your 'protection' group may have got inconclusive results, I'm sure that PM is floating around somewhere. There are plenty of flaws in that argument I know, and I'm not wanting to make the mistake of going after someone ruthlessly who may have been framed. But some names of associates and some confirmation would be good.

NB: I consider Jolt to be much more of a concern...

What FH posted was my actual PM to him. There were 3 protection groups organized yesterday by a single large group of people that I am aware of. ATPG was one of the people we protected. DIY, Splitpersonality and Myself were the ones who got the lot to protect him - others were instructed to protect the other people in teh writeup. Invictus's mafia affiliation was openly discussed among the protection group, I dont know for sure who actually got the info out of him. I assumed FH was unaware that his identity was leaked. Either way, there were way too many people who knew about him for him to survive more than a day. I contacted him in hopes of gaining his trust, and if he replied I would have pumped him for info before we lynched him today. Since I'm a simple townie I don't have much to offer him other than my cooperation.

[Death is yonder]

I'd have to say this game is pretty crazy; I opened up my mouth once and got two lynch votes. I shudder to think about what might happen if I contribute anything tomorrow (in-game).

Welcome to mafia ~:thumb: , just contribute freely, being lynched and getting frustrated is all part of the game, just take a breather and accept it as part of the game.


Invictus's mafia affiliation was openly discussed among the protection group,

I certainly didn't get anything of that sort Yaropolk, are you 100% sure? :dizzy2:

Maybe it was just you... :inquisitive:

FoS: Yaropolk

Since I'm a simple townie I don't have much to offer him other than my cooperation.

Perhaps trying to cooperate to become a mafia eh? :laugh4:

[DisgruntledGoat]

ATPG was one of the people we protected. DIY, Splitpersonality and Myself were the ones who got the lot to protect him - others were instructed to protect the other people in teh writeup.

Was the protection for ATPG discussed with him or done without his knowledge?

[Death is yonder]

It was organized by someone who probably was in close contact with him.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Well, ATPG was pretty paranoid then as I know that he also set up protection for himself. I find it interesting that Yaropolk would say he was intimately involved in a protection group for ATPG, which would typically let ATPG know they were doing that. And ATPG would turn around and request protection from another group.

[Death is yonder]

Because in light of recent stuff, Yaropolk has shown that he isn't to really be trusted with important (protection) stuff, so one couldn't really blame ATPG for shifting the protection groups, especially as one of those who were protecting him professes his desire to become a made...

Yaropolk has clearly shown that he harbors a clear desire to become thoroughly involved with the mafia, and hence whilst not an immediate threat, a likelier future threat.

:bow:

[DisgruntledGoat]

From what I read of his post it seems he was referring to N1. So recent stuff wouldn't really apply to it thought.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Or are you saying that this all refers tonights protection groups?

[woad&fangs]

Seamus, your Eastern time and your GMT time don't match up:dizzy2:

[Yaropolk]

Welcome to mafia ~:thumb: , just contribute freely, being lynched and getting frustrated is all part of the game, just take a breather and accept it as part of the game.



I certainly didn't get anything of that sort Yaropolk, are you 100% sure? :dizzy2:

Maybe it was just you... :inquisitive:

FoS: Yaropolk


Perhaps trying to cooperate to become a mafia eh? :laugh4:


I was referring to N1. FYI, the same person who instructed you and me to protect ATPG on N1 was the one who sent out the PM about II's identity. There were a bunch of people from the protection group CCd on the PM. I responded that we should take II out that night, but was overruled. I have not had any direct contact with ATPG whatsoever.

[TinCow]

I responded that we should take II out that night, but was overruled.

Who "overruled" you and what reason did they give?

[Yaropolk]

Who "overruled" you and what reason did they give?

I don't want to reveal protection group members at this point to those outside the protection group. People who were in protection groups will know who this is.




Don't worry we have time, and it will not prevent a kill, we have enough players in my group to protect ourselves, and check but I think each mafia family only has 1 kill each, not each mafia player in each family. So killing him this soon should make a difference, besides when we get the group together and final, we can deside which way we want to go-we can only choose 1 and only once. I'll get back to you asap.

[Jolt]

@ Yaropolk: Thanks. Probably missed it in the mountains of reading beforehand. I meant more the potentially damaging claim on the part of FactionHeir, (ie: That you approached him and offered to switch allegiances.), rather than that you knew about Imperator Invictus' status. I'm curious to know which protection group you were part of, and if your partners would come forward. I'm not overly suspicious as of yet, Factionheir may merely have wanted to shift some heat from himself, but at first glance there appears to have been an attempted vigilante hit on N1, which may have contained townies wishing to proceed along a path to promotion to wise-guy etc..., as there was obviously little evidence to warrant that on the first day. It may have contained you and your 'protection' group may have got inconclusive results, I'm sure that PM is floating around somewhere. There are plenty of flaws in that argument I know, and I'm not wanting to make the mistake of going after someone ruthlessly who may have been framed. But some names of associates and some confirmation would be good.

NB: I consider Jolt to be much more of a concern...

Jolt was busy last day in RL.

The fact is that since we all knew that he was a Mafia (We'll know that in day 4), I tried to cajole him into revealing himself for me, with a plot that I had already a someone very special for him and his gang to kill. I reasoned that he would speak to his Don and if positive would give me a reply which confirmed him as a Mafia. From there on, I wasn't sure whether I would reveal someone randomly to see if I had the chance of getting into the familly and finding out the other guys or simply denouncing FH alone. FH said he was a wiseguy, and I asked him if he was really sure, because that being the case, would make me vote for him. Obviously, by myself voting for him, he was bound to reveal our PM talk as a backlash, but since my MO with him (Always very vague when speaking about people) was safe, I didn't have the slightest fear of people making something out of it. Thus, I was fishing for his role, which didn't went exactly according to plan. I voted for him knowing full well he would probably put our conversation here, which doesn't show anything I didn't want town to see.

[Splitpersonality]

This post also bugs me. He says the same stuff as FH said in the post above. Adds nothing and makes it look like (to the average skim reader) he's contributing. But, really he isn't.


It can bug you all you want, It's not some carefully calculated plan to destroy the town or anything, it's just my ignorance. I was trying to figure out what FH meant, it was a question which he never answered.

I literally, know nothing about what's going on behind the scenes, i'm not some all powerful pro-town role or some guy who can sit here and figure out post by post who is guilty. I don't really think I need to prove to you, or the average skim reader for that matter, that I'm contributing. I actually don't even see why you're pointing this out.



Let's look at your posts thus far, two on this page pointing attention at myself and Kage, one selecting 'Khaan, and one voting for DisgruntledGoat because, "Funny name. Hehe."

:shrug:




(Whoa, it seems like I'm being really defensive and scummy now. Oh well, I only answered this because I could :clown:)

[Leet Eriksson]

jeez i had to deal with real life trouble (a minor car accident) but its all good now, the only problem is this thread bloomed into 15 pages already, i'll be more active right now.

[johnhughthom]

Glad you're OK.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jolt was busy last day in RL.

The fact is that since we all knew that he was a Mafia (We'll know that in day 4), I tried to cajole him into revealing himself for me, with a plot that I had already a someone very special for him and his gang to kill. I reasoned that he would speak to his Don and if positive would give me a reply which confirmed him as a Mafia. From there on, I wasn't sure whether I would reveal someone randomly to see if I had the chance of getting into the familly and finding out the other guys or simply denouncing FH alone. FH said he was a wiseguy, and I asked him if he was really sure, because that being the case, would make me vote for him. Obviously, by myself voting for him, he was bound to reveal our PM talk as a backlash, but since my MO with him (Always very vague when speaking about people) was safe, I didn't have the slightest fear of people making something out of it. Thus, I was fishing for his role, which didn't went exactly according to plan. I voted for him knowing full well he would probably put our conversation here, which doesn't show anything I didn't want town to see.

This is all very fascinating. There's just one problem with this story which bugs the heck out of me.

When I accused FactionHeir, you sat on all this information; you voted for him without adding to the case against him. And you weren't absent at that time, you were here to vote for him. This entire, above scenario, you didn't bother to contribute to the discussion until after FactionHeir started pointing the scummy finger at you.

Now, after the time has passed where you could build a case against FactionHeir, after he accused you of collaborating with some shady people for less than pro-town purposes, and after he's dead, now you deign it to be the appropriate time to reveal that hey, you knew FactionHeir was a scumbag all along, and even though you told him in private that you knew he was a mafia and you wanted him to kill someone that is, in your own words, an "important secret role which is crucial for the town victory", and even though Yaropolk also mentioned nothing of this until after he was also accused, we are meant to believe this is all just plain old innocent townie behavior.

The above quoted text sounds suspiciously like an explanation for why your pants are down and your embarrassment is exposed for the whole world to see, rather than a legitimate explanation for your activities. It's more a fantastic tale of how cookie crumbs got on your face while aliens arrived in a UFO and took the cookies back to their home planet.

In short, and with all due respect,

FoS: Jolt, Yaropolk

[A Very Super Market]

Heh, I use 80 posts per page, so it is only up to 6 right now....

But confusing, as always.

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Leet

Yes, very glad your okay! Is your car?

[Yaropolk]

This is all very fascinating. There's just one problem with this story which bugs the heck out of me.

When I accused FactionHeir, you sat on all this information; you voted for him without adding to the case against him. And you weren't absent at that time, you were here to vote for him. This entire, above scenario, you didn't bother to contribute to the discussion until after FactionHeir started pointing the scummy finger at you.
...

FoS: Jolt, Yaropolk

Really? Show me my magic posts where I sat on all this info and voted for FH without adding to the case against him. I got back to the thread when I got to work at 8 am, more than 17 hours after your accusation of FH and promptly posted my rebuttal, and answered all questions that were directed at me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Really? Show me my magic posts where I sat on all this info and voted for FH without adding to the case against him. I got back to the thread when I got to work at 8 am, more than 17 hours after your accusation of FH and promptly posted my rebuttal, and answered all questions that were directed at me.

The "sitting" in question was done by Jolt. He was apparently active and available enough to vote for FactionHeir, but not state publicly why.

FH (and several others) seemed to point to a connection between you. On questioning, Jolt denies it, and so do you. So either many people are getting a wrong impression of the situation, or there is something not being said.

It is entirely possible I am making connections that aren't there due to paranoia. If this is the case, I do apologize. But I would be derelict in my duty if I don't ask questions.

[Andres]

jeez i had to deal with real life trouble (a minor car accident) but its all good now, the only problem is this thread bloomed into 15 pages already, i'll be more active right now.

Glad you're allright. I hope the car isn't damaged too bad.

[Moros]

Gah!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

…kill the faith inside of you
watch the killing starts
after you accept the part
to redirect your mind
whisper the name
all is not so black and white

-- Skinny Puppy “Curcible”


Summary, Night Two


Gaius Scribonius Curio had exited the meeting quickly, going straight for his car and skipping dinner out in favor of a quick trip home through the drizzling rain and light sleet that Fatlington was “enjoying.” Just after parking the car, he noticed a shadowed figure clad in a glossy, black leather trench coat with collar pulled up to hide the person’s face.

GSC ducked immediately, so he didn’t quite glimpse the vial of golden liquid that arced out of the shadows to shatter on the car door behind which he’d just ducked. GSC did notice, however, the fact that the liquid burst into searing flames, immolating the door of the car and depriving Curio of one eyebrow and all of the hair on the backs of both hands.

Curio made it to the cover of a stoop across the street before his DeSoto exploded, and came out of the incident essentially unharmed. His last glimpse of his assailant was at a distance, standing in the shadows of a corner grocery silhouetted against the streetlights of Atlantic avenue two blocks off – the faintest gleam from the glossy leather marking him. The misting rain made it impossible to recognize the distant figure. The black-clad stranger then suavely tipped his hat to Curio and faded into the night.


Death is Yonder decided to play it safe, driving home on Atlantic to take advantage of other cars and passersby – and not zipping home on the much quicker, but also too quiet and empty, Baltic avenue.

As he waited at a red light, pondering the strange show he’d watched courtesy of the Reenkster, he never imagined that someone from the cross street would front end his car. Just as the car crunching his grill in front stopped, he felt a somewhat gentler bump from the rear.

The two masked drivers stepped out of their respective vehicles and moved quickly to either side of Death’s now trapped car. He tried to get a gun from the glovebox of his vehicle, but both masked attackers opened fire with their Johnson guns before he could do more than open it. Though the car was metal and solidly built, the gunners were close and they were not firing Thompsons. The relatively low speed .45 round of a tommy gun might not have penetrated – but Johnny guns used the famous thirty ought six. Death found himself well-named very quickly.

A yellow rose was placed gently on his corpse and the killers walked quietly away.


Across town, DJGingivtis was finishing a caffe corretto at the same bistro where pizza and the others had enjoyed the scallopini so much the preceding night. As he stood to leave, putting on his coat, a group of trech coat clad tommy guns entered the ristorante from the service doors and opened fire.

DJG was hit 3 or 4 times rapidly and knocked across his own table to the floor. As the gunmen moved forward make sure of their kill, several other persons fired through the front windows and door of the bistro. In the confused crossfire, none of the gunmen managed to hit one another or even get a good look at their targets.

When the hail of gunfire had cleared, all of the tommy gunners had escaped the way they entered and the shooters at the front of the restaurant had faded into the darkness or melted into the gathering crowd, their weapons re-concealed. Behind them they left a dead waiter, 3 dead patrons, and 6 more wounded. DJGingivtis was not one of the casualties. Though knocked unconscious by the impact of the rounds, the armor plates worked into the lining of his coat had saved his life, as had the timely intervention of the second group of shooters.

DJGingvitis was left to ponder only one thing – exactly who had armored his coat for him? He owed somebody, or several somebodies, a ‘thank you.’


Yaropolk was walking, warily, toward his apartment block, his hat pulled low against the faint sleet in the air. Every few minutes he would turn to look behind him, spotting nothing more threatening than a fellow carrying a loaded shopping bag in one hand and an umbrella in the other. He was making sure that he would not be taken by surprise.
When the trench-coated man in the balaclava stepped from behind the building at the corner, Yaro had his gun out of his pocket and into his hand before the hooded stranger could do more than begin to get his clear of his pocket.

“You’ve got 2 seconds to start running or I’ll drop you where you stand,” said Yaropolk.
“Now make like Jesse Owens…Ouch!”

The abrupt change in Yaro’s tone was the result of the umbrella-wielding shopper bumping into him from behind, muttering profuse apologies as he grabbed a few dropped apples and re-packed his bag. During the silliness, the masked stranger had done as suggested and vacated the scene.

Yaropolk made it home safely after that, had a good scotch and went to sleep – just not feeling right. He would never wake up. A good autopsy would have revealed the poisoned pellet pushed under the skin behind his right knee from the tip of the umbrella as the two men had collided, and would have noted the traces of anesthetic that deadened the wound site a bit. Fatlington’s coroner wasn’t up to the task. Yaropolk’s cause of death was listed as Influenza.


In room 1066 of the Hotel Abbatoir, pevergreen was well and truly distracted. His companion, encountered only recently at the hotel bar, had shown herself to be both surprisingly energetic and physically incapable of drowning. Both qualities appealed to pever, who had paused to enjoy a Marlboro – he hated Camels – when the door to the room burst open and the gunmen came in in a rush.

Though they didn’t seem to have any clear plan and though none of their efforts were really coordinated with each other, there were four of them to pever’s one. He fought hard of course, but the assailants were using their guns as clubs and pever had nothing but a lamp and an alarm clock to use as weapons. In moments, both he and his companion were beaten unconscious.

Two of his killers lifted pevergreen out of the window of the hotel room, completing their work with the application of 80 feet of vertical distance terminating in a rapid deceleration at the moment pever crashed into the boardwalk below. His companion had been tossed into the bathtub and shot repeatedly. Despite screams from the boardwalk below and complaints about the noise to the front desk, none of the attackers were noticed leaving the scene.


Morning Meeting

Fermanagh recounted the deaths of the preceding night with a grim look on his face. Except for Reenk, who seemed strangely unaffected, the committee members had been as grim a set of listeners as had Fermanagh.

“You must vote the right ones into the graves!”

Fermanagh paused, calming himself.

“We can’t let this keep happening to our fair city….we just can’t…”

As Fermanagh’s request faded, Reenk Roink quickly reviewed the procedures for the lynch and for electing the Director for the next two days. He reminded them that the guards collect them for the evening meeting if they hadn’t made it in on their own. That session would, everyone thought, prove a stormy one despite the clear day that boded for Fatlington itself.



OOC

Results and investigation results might be a while – meetings and such to cope with.

Voting must conclude by 2000 Eastern (2400 GMT) on Thursday the 13th. Votes lodged later than that will be noted, but will not count. Remember, you will also be Selecting the Director for Days 4 & 5.


The Cost of Life in Fatlington:

Attacked: Beefy187 (n1), DJGingivtis (n2), GSC (n2),

Killed: Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2),

Lynched: Factionheir (d2),

Wogged: None so far, so get active and keep it that way.

[Andres]

FoS : Beefy187 and shlin28

You guys were supposed to be protecting pevergreen together with me.

Beefy187 was quick to send in his orders, as was I; shlin28 hesitated first, claiming he was in another group and then "changed plans" to protect pevergreen.

woad&fangs, you were in a vigilante group, organised by The Stranger, who also organised my protection group. Was pevergreen the target?

The Stranger, I will no longer work with you until the autopsie proves your innocene.

[Reenk Roink]

It was a bad idea to kill pever... very bad... :7gangster: :toilet:

[shlin28]

Ask ATPG, I was in a protection group organised by him first, but then I changed my orders to protect pever...

[Jolt]

When I accused FactionHeir, you sat on all this information; you voted for him without adding to the case against him. And you weren't absent at that time, you were here to vote for him. This entire, above scenario, you didn't bother to contribute to the discussion until after FactionHeir started pointing the scummy finger at you.

Now, after the time has passed where you could build a case against FactionHeir, after he accused you of collaborating with some shady people for less than pro-town purposes, and after he's dead, now you deign it to be the appropriate time to reveal that hey, you knew FactionHeir was a scumbag all along, and even though you told him in private that you knew he was a mafia and you wanted him to kill someone that is, in your own words, an "important secret role which is crucial for the town victory", and even though Yaropolk also mentioned nothing of this until after he was also accused, we are meant to believe this is all just plain old innocent townie behavior.

The above quoted text sounds suspiciously like an explanation for why your pants are down and your embarrassment is exposed for the whole world to see, rather than a legitimate explanation for your activities. It's more a fantastic tale of how cookie crumbs got on your face while aliens arrived in a UFO and took the cookies back to their home planet.

In short, and with all due respect,

FoS: Jolt, Yaropolk

Now for my explanation, which shall be given off a MSN transcript on part of a conversation I had with ATPG, duly censored to make sure none of our interests and privateness go awry, and cleaned to be pleasent for the eye.



[...]

askthepizzaguy diz:
I need these points answered: Why you didn't come forward with evidence or the full story against FH when the bandwagon started and you voted for him....... and second, your affiliation to Yaropolk, which dozens of people are accusing of strange or scummy activities.

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
I kinda hinted at it. But firstly, FH didn't reveal the full extent of our PMs.

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
indeed?

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
In the second one, which I threatened to change my vote to him if he continued in not revealing, is exactly what I wrote in my Voting post. - I wrote "As I said, Vote: FactionHeir"

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
hmm....

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
This was directed at him and noone else manage to figure that out

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
All right. What about Yaropolk? His pt group failed yesterday. What are you two up to?

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
Yaropolk is an invention on the people's heads
Any timing between our PMs was purely coincidence. Neither did I know he spoke with FactionHeir, nor did he know I spoke with FactionHeir myself. He was charged with protecting who?

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
"...Agent X".

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
Oh. :daisy:.

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
but he stated his pt failed and accused "Bruce Lee" and "Steven Seagal".

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
Its actually very funny since an innocent act seems to be really scummy now

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
I understand your situation. I'm in one of those myself. I believe it is possible I am being paranoid and finding connections which aren't there.

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
In the case of Yaropolk, there are simply no connections.

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
all right.

[...]

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
Here's the conversation

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
sent via PM?

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
Yeah. - "I wouldn't wait too long before giving a reply. Who knows if I might accidently switch my vote and reveal some things accidently." I said that.
- "Oh my god I'm so scum. Not.

I freely admit to be a wiseguy so if you want me to kill, you can certainly provide someone for me to partner up with." FH replied that. As you can see I was already threatening to change my vote.

askthepizzaguy (Endereço de email não confirmado) diz:
mmm

Telmo/Jolt/Powell/Bimbo "Santa Maria da Feira foi altamente! " diz:
This was long before any bandwagon against him. Oh, also the PMs were during day 2. Which means Yaropolk failed Agent X's protection in Night 1. Thus, it only shows how unconnected we were. Anyways I pressed for the confession one final time in PM

- "1. Are you sure you are a wiseguy?

One answer might be of much use for your familly. Another one most certainly won't."

If you're following the thread, you'll get that I'm being covered."

My last phrase was if he or his familly are planning to eliminate me. He replied "What kinda question is that, did I not just tell you what I am?

Funny way for you to fish roles."
And that was it. My next interaction was voting for him along with the "As I said"

Done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shlin28 is correct; I had him down as a person protecting someone, but apparently TheStranger needed him for protections. That much I can verify. I had an extra person on that group, so I could spare shlin, but I didn't see anything in the writeup about the protection, and no results from anyone yet as to whether or not it worked.

@Jolt-

MSN chatlogs are a nightmare to read, but you explained yourself in private to me.

[The Stranger]

you no longer work with me? :daisy: .. you are the one that is under suspicion since you were supposed to protect pevergreen... what the :daisy: did you guys do?

FOS at Andres, Beefy and Shlin28. Mostly at Andres and Shlin. I dont know what I'm allowed to say... but you were supposed to protect him and know you sent the orders so one of you mustve retracted them.

Watch your language guys - Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Andres

Gut instinct. I don't know about the missed protection on pever, but I get the definite impression that Andres's participation in townie groups is for the sole purpose of appearing innocent.

[Andres]

Well, TS, you're the one who organised the protection and from what I've heard also the hit on pevergreen.

Like I said, I don't work with you anymore until you're proven innocent.

shlin28 was the only one who knew about both groups, right?

Vote : shlin28

FoS : Yaro, Jolt and ATPG

[Kagemusha]

Well Andres, Yaropolk seems to be dead so no point in fossing him.

[Andres]

Vote:Andres

Gut instinct. I don't know about the missed protection on pever, but I get the definite impression that Andres's participation in townie groups is for the sole purpose of appearing innocent.

Nonsense and you know it very well. Dead can pm in this game, so a dead and confirmed mafioso can be still be very valuable (and entertaining).

I wouldn't care much about 'appearing' innocent in a Capo game as mafia, because dead is a minor inconvenience.

[shlin28]

I did not KNOW about TS's hit group - he just kinda suggested it to me.


PoTS - Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. says (16:26):
mind you... i would love to be part of the most controversial ptgroup in capo
SHLIN says (16:26):
my prot group?
PoTS - Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. says (16:26):
the same one
SHLIN says (16:26):
How is it controversial?
PoTS - Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. says (16:27):
youll see
SHLIN says (16:27):
Is the attack staged?
PoTS - Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. says (16:28):
it is.

[Andres]

Well Andres, Yaropolk seems to be dead so no point in fossing him.

Hey, I'm 31, you know how it goes once you reach that age...

~;p

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yaro is dead.

-edit- wow, I should hit refresh once in a while. :laugh4:

Seamus, do we select a new Director today, or is that next phase?

[Kagemusha]

Hey, I'm 31, you know how it goes once you reach that age...

~;p

Well young and fresh 30 years old ones like me have to sometimes refresh the memory of seniors like you.

:grin:

[Reenk Roink]

If I - the town's most trusted adviser - may let you in on some information and recommend a lynch.

My my reveal as a townie must have convinced many people to contact me. My position as Director must have helped in that factor, as well as serve as a reminder that the bad guys could not get rid of me, and must work around me or through me.

I got much information on various pro town groups.

I (casually) recommended the noble pevergreen for protection for obvious pevereenk reasons.

The failure of the pevergreen protection mission only serves to highlight:

1) the inefficacy of these pro town groups
2) the ease by which they may be infiltrated

I don't know exactly the deal on how pever died, or who killed him, but with that being said, and example must be made of these pro town groups.

Now, much talk has been made about one pro town group already and we have heard too much about it already. They should hope that they are killed before they meet me in Club 30... This pro town group is unregistered with me and therefore does not have me as a check and balance.

I suggest they be the focus in the next rounds. For now, let us get back to this pro town group that was supposed to protect pever.

The things that have been said in the thread are not all there is to the story. First, apparently there was a plan to "stage an attack" on pever but not actually kill him. Obviously, I didn't authorize this and don't think highly of it. :rolleyes:

For now, shlin28 is the one most likely to be involved in some kind of plot. I strongly recommend his lynch now.

Lastly, in the case that I am not reelected as Director, I will tell you a bit more of what I know. Ironside and disco should be watched, they are capable of killing if you know what I mean. :wink:

The noble pever was a wiseguy, the post mortem will confirm this. He was however, loyal to pevereenk first. Given my own lowly starting status, and the inability of me to get involved in these lowly pro town groups because of my Director responsibilities, we could never start a family together, so pever decided to be a warrior for the town. He went and had talks with some of the families, and these people may have been responsible for his death, and they should watch out, and stay away from Club 30... :wink:

[woad&fangs]

Andres, the vig attempt was indeed against pever.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nonsense and you know it very well. Dead can pm in this game, so a dead and confirmed mafioso can be still be very valuable (and entertaining).

Q?


I wouldn't care much about 'appearing' innocent in a Capo game as mafia, because dead is a minor inconvenience.

I was going to argue with this but I'm confidant that no one here believes that mafia in capo don't care about being killed.

[Andres]

Andres, the vig attempt was indeed against pever.

All four were there to attack. Did TS tell you guys that pevergreen was going to be protected and did somebody share that information with others?

[shlin28]

W&F knows bout the protection group... he was on the CC list on the PMs TS sent us.

[Reenk Roink]

Andres, the vig attempt was indeed against pever.

Bad idea...

Belay the shlin recommendation. Have woad&fangs killed please. His conspirators were most likely Dutch_guy and Caius, thought two other people may have been involved.

[edit] Please, anyone listening to ts... just stop listening to him. :wall:

[Andres]

Q?



I was going to argue with this but I'm confidant that no one here believes that mafia in capo don't care about being killed.

You're barking against the wrong tree.

If I want to join protection groups "to appear pro-town", then why did you want to join one?

Is everybody who wishes to join a protection group scum in your eyes?

Your reason for voting me is bad, Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're barking against the wrong tree.

If I want to join protection groups "to appear pro-town", then why did you want to join one?

Is everybody who wishes to join a protection group scum in your eyes?

Your reason for voting me is bad, Sasaki.

Gut instinct tells me your reasons for participating in the groups are to appear innocent. Gut told me your posting yesterday was off as well.

And at the beginning of the game Andres, gut rules supreme :yes:

[Kagemusha]

Bad idea...

Belay the shlin recommendation. Have woad&fangs killed please. His conspirators were most likely Dutch_guy and Caius, thought two other people may have been involved.

[edit] Please, anyone listening to ts... just stop listening to him. :wall:

So you think thaat w&f, Dutch_guy and Caius should be lynched? Can you enlighten us more about reasons why that should be done?

[woad&fangs]

I knew he was going to be protected but I don't think the others did. TS originally had me in the pt group but then changed me to the vig group.

Originally I had contacted beefy and Craterus about protecting CountArach but then TS shanghaied beefy into his plot. Since I no longer had a group and I didn't want to be unaccounted for during the night, I just went along with whatever TS told me to do :shrug:

[TinCow]

This is a bit confusing for those of us who were not involved in any of this pever stuff. The way I am reading this is that a group set up a vig hit on pevergreen AND a protection on pevergreen, but the protection failed. Is this correct?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ah, this argument brings forth something I remember from yesterday. We already caught Sasaki in the act of trying to re-form a mafia group and only let him off the hook because of the FH thing.

Your points, while valid, are moot. Die, scum! :smg:

Vote: Sasaki

Select: GH

[Beskar]

Did the protection say it failed? Or could another group have also tried to kill pevergreen? Aka, there were two attacks, one got stopped and other succeeded.

Also if what GH said is true, then you guys should listen to me more. :smash:

[Reenk Roink]

Look, anyone from either the group that was supposed to vig attack pever or the group that was supposed to protect him (apparently ts thought that this would be the best use of about 8 people and those 8 people went along with it mostly :rolleyes: WHAT THE ****?!?) would be a good lynch.

If one of those get lynched I'm changing the planned execution. :smash:

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: Sasaki

No mafia toleration in this iteration of Capo.

[woad&fangs]

If one of those get lynched I'm changing the planned execution. :smash:
Can my death be sparkly?:clown:

[TinCow]

Can we get a list of who was on the vig group?

[shlin28]

Did the protection say it failed? Or could another group have also tried to kill pevergreen? Aka, there were two attacks, one got stopped and other succeeded.

Also if what GH said is true, then you guys should listen to me more. :smash:

Seamus hasn't sent me a PM about whether the protection failed or worked yet.

[slashandburn]

I remember the pm log. Vote: Sasaki And we select every two days, GH.

[woad&fangs]

Can we get a list of who was on the vig group?

Moros, Craterus, Centurion1, DJGingivitis, Ironside and Woad&Fangs

However, only myself, Craterus, Ironside, and an unknown 4th member got their orders in.

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Sasaki

No mafia toleration in this iteration of Capo.

What differiates Sasaki from the rest of the ambitious scum rising from the town? Or did you have some other reasons to jump in a bandwagon?

[Reenk Roink]

Can my death be sparkly?:clown:

All right, I guess I've rethought this a bit and it seems wrong to just gun after you because you guys were following orders (very stupid orders that you really should have thought more on but still).

This just seems like one of those dumb plans that failed and exposed two groups of townies in it, causing infighting and mistrust within those groups. :wall:

Again, I'll tell you, Ironside and disco should be watched, they can kill... I would recommend them for a lynch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What differiates Sasaki from the rest of the ambitious scum rising from the town? Or did you have some other reasons to jump in a bandwagon?

Because Sasaki was caught in the act.

-edit- and he's Sasaki.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DJGingivitis was listed as being part of a protection group that had nothing to do with this scheme. So far as I know, that group didn't fail.

Why would 6 people be necessary for a vigilante kill?

[TinCow]

As an aside on the mechanics of the game, I was involved in a protection last night, but the target of my protection did not appear in the write-up. So, that assumption from Night 1 no longer holds. I'm not sure why all those people appeared in the Night 1 write-up now.

[shlin28]

All right, I guess I've rethought this a bit and it seems wrong to just gun after you because you guys were following orders (very stupid orders that you really should have thought more on but still).

This just seems like one of those dumb plans that failed and exposed two groups of townies in it, causing infighting and mistrust within those groups. :wall:

Again, I'll tell you, Ironside and disco should be watched, they can kill... I would recommend them for a lynch.

Could it be that some members of the protection group was blocked? and hence can't protect the target?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I knew he was going to be protected but I don't think the others did. TS originally had me in the pt group but then changed me to the vig group.

Originally I had contacted beefy and Craterus about protecting CountArach but then TS shanghaied beefy into his plot. Since I no longer had a group and I didn't want to be unaccounted for during the night, I just went along with whatever TS told me to do :shrug:

Ultra suspicious...CA is probably mafia, as my gut and info passed to me through the grapevine indicate.

Why do you think he refused to reform the pentangelini and posted the pm's in the thread instead?

[Kagemusha]

Because Sasaki was caught in the act.

Well there are quite a few loose ends that might be revealed after the last nights results arrive. I will wait for those to arrive before voting. GH might i ask what you were doing last night?

[TinCow]

Ultra suspicious...CA is probably mafia, as my gut and info passed to me through the grapevine indicate.

Why do you think he refused to reform the pentangelini and posted the pm's in the thread instead?

That's an odd take on it. If CA was mafia, surely he would have used that conversation to recruit you and the others. Mafia families need more than their starting members to prosper. Why would he out you at the very beginning of the game without even attempting to get you recruited into his family?

[Reenk Roink]

Ultra suspicious...CA is probably mafia, as my gut and info passed to me through the grapevine indicate.

Why do you think he refused to reform the pentangelini and posted the pm's in the thread instead?

ts - the organzier of lets both protect and attack pever but shift things a lot and cause confusion so that people get confused on what they are doing - organized it. You can't draw any conclusions from it.

The entire pever debacle is just serving to distract the town do to the fact that pro town groups generally suck.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's an odd take on it. If CA was mafia, surely he would have used that conversation to recruit you and the others. Mafia families need more than their starting members to prosper. Why would he out you at the very beginning of the game without even attempting to get you recruited into his family?

Because mafia are paranoid and untrusting :beam:

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Kommodus

I realize you're usually more active later rather than sooner, but you are entirely too silent for a game of capo. What are you up to?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Moros, Craterus, Centurion1, DJGingivitis, Ironside and Woad&Fangs

However, only myself, Craterus, Ironside, and an unknown 4th member got their orders in.

Wait, six people were part of the group who were suppose to attack pever?

What's the point of staging an attack, anyway? It'd be obvious it wasn't a mafia attack, like the killing of Yaropolk.

And was the attack on DJgingivitus staged as well?

I'm going to vote:shlin28

Someone needs to be punished for this debacle, since it seems no one defended pever from the write up.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

The killing of pever seems strange... do we have any official reason for this act.. ?

Or was this an attempt to do the attack and defend groups like we have in other games ?

[atheotes]

I knew he was going to be protected but I don't think the others did. TS originally had me in the pt group but then changed me to the vig group.

Originally I had contacted beefy and Craterus about protecting CountArach but then TS shanghaied beefy into his plot. Since I no longer had a group and I didn't want to be unaccounted for during the night, I just went along with whatever TS told me to do :shrug:

if the others did not know there was a protection group why did they agree to part of the vig group in the first place? It does not put them in good light...

[scottishranger]

I think the reason you would stage attack and defend groups would be to get a townie promoted to doctor. Only this didnt work.



Im also looking at the other deaths last night:


Curio: Serial Killer attempt it appears,

Death is Yonder: Obviously a mafia kill, conducted by two persons and has a signature, the yellow rose(from Capo II?)

DJ: Another attack and defend group?


Yaropolk. Probably a mafia kill? Where where is the signature?

[seireikhaan]

The real question is this- who besides The Stranger was pulling strings here? Surely The Stranger was not the only one, and if he was, these townies(?) were extremely careless in trusting a dead person who's identity is still secret. The action was being carried out by pawns.

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Woad&Fangs

Tell us who else was organizing. I have sincere doubts it was all TS' doing.

[Sigurd]

The logic behind staging an attack seem awkward to me.
Was it to "help" someone progress to become a doctor? Or was it to "clear" pever. Maybe Seamus in his evilness rolls a die in such stageups and pever lost?

I think we should leave this mess alone and let them sort it out themselves.

We have some players - townies or wise guys who wants to form groups of mafia. Evidence has been provided and they have not denied these accusations to my knowledge.
Also we have the Reenkster claiming that Ironside and Disco can kill. What do you mean Reenk? Have they killed already?

The list of candidates for this round so far is then:

Sasaki
Jolt
Ironside
Disco

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thanks for the reminder GH.

You will also be voting to Select a Director of the Committee for days 4 & 5.

[Crazed Rabbit]

We're currently selecting?

In that case, Select: Reenk. Don't rock the boat in the middle of the river!

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

Can we select any living player apart from Reenk ? Or can we pick Reenk again as well ?

My votes going on the stranger until we get some reasoning behind his move on pever...

Vote TheStranger

[scottishranger]

The strangers dead LG. Of course, we can exhume him and then make him dance again for Reenk... but that might not be the most tasteful thing.


Select: Reenk. He seems to be doing a good job as director. His last big post impressed me alot.

[seireikhaan]

Select: Reenk Roink

[Chaotix]

Can we select any living player apart from Reenk ? Or can we pick Reenk again as well ?

My votes going on the stranger until we get some reasoning behind his move on pever...

Vote TheStranger

Wasn't The Stranger killed on Night 1?

Vote: Sasaki

Because he wants to be mafia.

Select: Reenk

[scottishranger]

Dumb me

Select: Reenk

There bolded it.

Also, Id like to hear more about this Stranger racket. Why would all of you guys trust him?

Pressure Vote:Woad&Fangs

[Ironside]

Ok, analysis of night kills. Won't vote yet.

Gaius Scribonius Curio. Seems to be single attacker, failed = probably wise guy or mafia.

Death is Yonder. Killed by yellow rose mafia.

DJGingivtis. Unknown amount of attackers, sounds to be more than 2. Saved by protection group by the sound of it.

Yaropolk. Killed by 2 people. I can't find any telling sign there = potential Wise guy group! Or special role.

And of course pevergreen. Hit by a vigiliante group. Now the interesting part about his protection is that unless Seamus has changed his writing, NONE of his protectors were doing their job. In that chase we would have one or two guys showing up but failing with the protection. If one guy, he would probably lucky to even be alive or dying on duty. Instead we only got a clean kill written so to speak.
The Stranger's behavior definitly doesn't seem to be pro-townie considering what RR said about pever, but the protection group behaviour is bordering on the extreme. :inquisitive:

Anybody did protect someone not presented in the night actions? That group of Jolt, askthepizzaguy, Andres, and Dutch-guy that did have that odd "they were watched" thingy last round. Don't remember who presented the idea of it being protection group watched targets, but I think we can rule it out.

[ricera10]

As an aside on the mechanics of the game, I was involved in a protection last night, but the target of my protection did not appear in the write-up. So, that assumption from Night 1 no longer holds. I'm not sure why all those people appeared in the Night 1 write-up now.
That's what I wondered in night 1. There's still no official answer; it's either just a stylistic thing that happened because of a coincidence of protection groups or something strange happened involving protection.

I Select: Reenk Roink because the Club 30 lynching was awesome.

No vote for now, I want to see how The_Stranger thing is going...

[DJGingivitis]

Select:RR because it was pretty funny.

[gibsonsg91921]

Select: Reenk Roink

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