need a little advice

[Hooahguy]

ok so as some of you know i have a very weak internet connection
this is because i am using a neighbors wifi (out of desperation), and its pretty weak. i know its shameful but i have no choice. plus i have no way of finding out the owner b/c its the generic name for the router ("linksys") and theres a huge apartment complex right behind my house.
with the help of a friend, i found a good router. but now i need a good argument so i can convince my dad to let me get the router so i can play MP for my many games, like COD4 and AA.

heres the situation with me and my dad.
he doesnt trust me that much, since about a year ago he caught me using a neighbors wifi. when i first asked for a router, he said "i dont trust you." that was about a week ago.

now, there are 2 ways of doing this, at first glance:
1) suck up to him and earn it, but it will take a while
2) buy it and hide it, but if im caught theres huge consequences and ill lose the router.
3) make a deal with him, like if i get an A on my final exam for my summer course i get the router

and no, kicking my dad in the :daisy: if he says no is NOT an option.

so any suggestions on how to argue for a router?

thanks for the help!

[pevergreen]

Well, i've done the second two, not the first.

2 worked, my parents just dealt with it, but it was pretty much the first thing I've done outside of their jurisdiction that they know about ~:pimp:

I suggest 3, pick an easy exam and study like hell.

[Hooahguy]

Well, i've done the second two, not the first.

2 worked, my parents just dealt with it, but it was pretty much the first thing I've done outside of their jurisdiction that they know about

I suggest 3, pick an easy exam and study like hell.
well ive done a lot things outside their jurisdiction, but short of doing drugs, smoking or alcohol addiction.
the problem with 2 is that if im caught....
my dad is not one to be trifled with. he took away my laptop for a month when he found out i was using a neighbors wifi. i dont want to know what he will do if he finds the router. too much risk and it will only be a last, desperate option for me.

and i only have one final to study for, a history class, and i think i will study hard for this one. i did ok on my AP US history exam, i got a 3, so hes not too happy. maybe if i got an A+ i can change his mind.

[Beefy187]

Get a friend to buy you a router for your birthday maybe.

[Samurai Waki]

one of the best rules in life to adhere to, is to never ask a parent for money/property. Save up the money and buy it yourself, that way, the next time your father decides to shove his foot up your :daisy: he can't bludgeon you with the router as well.

[Hooahguy]

Get a friend to buy you a router for your birthday maybe.
good idea, if my birthday was in august or september. but its not. its in february.


one of the best rules in life to adhere to, is to never ask a parent for money/property. Save up the money and buy it yourself, that way, the next time your father decides to shove his foot up your :daisy: he can't bludgeon you with the router as well.
i do plan to buy it myself, but id rather stay on his good side. if he found out that i got a router without his permission hed probably take something valuable away from me, even if i did buy it. like my laptop. bear in mind everyone that the router will be connected to my home computer.

[miotas]

You could just try not stealing your neighbour's internet connection. Is this router so you can get a better signal from your neighbour?

And what do you mean you have no choice? Do you have a slow internet connection at home or no internet connection? If it's no internet connection then I can understand how you would need to steal from the neighbour for school, but stealing just to play a game is just downright dirty.

[Beefy187]

You could just try not stealing your neighbour's internet connection. Is this router so you can get a better signal from your neighbour?

And what do you mean you have no choice? Do you have a slow internet connection at home or no internet connection? If it's no internet connection then I can understand how you would need to steal from the neighbour for school, but stealing just to play a game is just downright dirty.

Isn't routers used to get your own internet connection going?

[pevergreen]

good idea, if my birthday was in august or september. but its not. its in february.

February five! *high fives*

I'll go back to my corner. :creep:

[miotas]

Isn't routers used to get your own internet connection going?
No you need a modem to get your own internet connection going.

[naut]

I agree with miotas. A router alone =/= internet.

[Beefy187]

No you need a modem to get your own internet connection going.

:wall:

Okay in that case I'm with miotas

[Fragony]

Get a job and buy one yourself :yes:

[pevergreen]

Sing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0y2dDlFmLg) to your parents. They will understand.

[Hooahguy]

You could just try not stealing your neighbour's internet connection. Is this router so you can get a better signal from your neighbour?

And what do you mean you have no choice? Do you have a slow internet connection at home or no internet connection? If it's no internet connection then I can understand how you would need to steal from the neighbour for school, but stealing just to play a game is just downright dirty.
my connection isnt strong enough to play MP, which is why i want the router. the main family computer, which is bad for games, has broadband. and im banned from the main computer. im still not sure exactly why. :sweatdrop:


Get a job and buy one yourself :yes:
its not that i cant afford it, its that im not allowed to have one.

[Fragony]

its not that i cant afford it, its that im not allowed to have one.

Shouldn't have hanged out with the Jewish Defense Force, that would freak out anyone :laugh4:

If you can pay for it ask why you aren't allowed to have it, what's up with that. Personal rule I developed, 'only listen when it makes sense', got me in trouble once in a while, but the payof is good.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Sounds like you have a bigger problem than a weak internet connection.Poor communication with ones parents is never a good thing. Try handling it by asking why you're banned from the main computer and not allowed a router either to use your own. If you're being punished and don't know why, well, that's dodgy parenting in my book. Be straightforward and honest first and show you deserve to be trusted. Do it for yourself, if not for them. Going behind their back first just reinforces the claim that "I don't trust you", don't give them that ammunition to use against you.

I learned from an early age that being honest with my Dad, including the bad news, was less painful than getting caught in a lie. It builds character and when you learn to pick your battles wisely demonstrates one has the courage of their convictions no matter what anyone else thinks.
Nobody likes or respects a sneak and a liar, including the sneaky liar.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Get some dirt on him. Once when I borrowed my dads calculator for school I found £100 in the back of it. :beam:

Me and the other pupils at my table thought it was pretty cool and they said I should keep it, but I just gave it back to him. Came in useful when I forgot the occassional piece of homework in the future...

[Hooahguy]

thanks for thw advice everyone, especially Hosakawa Tito. i think when he comes back from NY tonight ill ask him why i cant have the router.
maybe i can work out a deal that if i get an A in my summer course i get the router.

[miotas]

Yeah, I was always honest with my parents and very rarely asked for anything, so whenever I wanted to stop at a mates house or go to a party, unless we had somewhere else to go the answer was always yes, and on the rare occasions I asked for anything, so long as it wasn't expensive, I would always recieve it as a birthday or christmas present. It worked quite well since my birthday is near the middle of the year :laugh4:

[Veho Nex]

ok so as some of you know i have a very weak internet connection
this is because i am using a neighbors wifi (out of desperation), and its pretty weak. i know its shameful but i have no choice. plus i have no way of finding out the owner b/c its the generic name for the router ("linksys") and theres a huge apartment complex right behind my house.
with the help of a friend, i found a good router. but now i need a good argument so i can convince my dad to let me get the router so i can play MP for my many games, like COD4 and AA.

heres the situation with me and my dad.
he doesnt trust me that much, since about a year ago he caught me using a neighbors wifi. when i first asked for a router, he said "i dont trust you." that was about a week ago.

now, there are 2 ways of doing this, at first glance:
1) suck up to him and earn it, but it will take a while
2) buy it and hide it, but if im caught theres huge consequences and ill lose the router.
3) make a deal with him, like if i get an A on my final exam for my summer course i get the router

and no, kicking my dad in the :daisy: if he says no is NOT an option.

so any suggestions on how to argue for a router?

thanks for the help!

I've told you my answer over xfire and steam plenty of times but let me start it again for you:


Father dearest, there will be dire consequences in the love I feel towards you if...

[drone]

I'm a tad confused about the layout. Your family has broadband access, but the modem is just connected directly into the main house computer?

If this is the case, it should be easy to talk your father into a router. A router between the modem and the internal home network offers a lot more security than the honeypot you currently have. Even homes with just a single computer should have a router, if only for NAT and port filtering.

[Hooahguy]

I'm a tad confused about the layout. Your family has broadband access, but the modem is just connected directly into the main house computer?

If this is the case, it should be easy to talk your father into a router. A router between the modem and the internal home network offers a lot more security than the honeypot you currently have. Even homes with just a single computer should have a router, if only for NAT and port filtering.

yes that is the case. the broadband modem is directly wired into the computer.

is it really true that a router offers more security? ive always suspected that a router does good things for a connection, but i was never really sure. this may be the argument i really need.

[Ice]

Your setup really doesn't make much sense. I assume your dad is paying for a dialup service, while having broadband also?

Tell him it will save him money in the long run if you buy a router. I'm not seeing the logic here.

[miotas]

They have a broadband connection and the modem for this connection is connected to the desktop pc. Our boy hooah wants to get a wireless router connected to this modem so he can access it from his laptop.

[Hooahguy]

They have a broadband connection and the modem for this connection is connected to the desktop pc. Our boy hooah wants to get a wireless router connected to this modem so he can access it from his laptop.
thanks, exactly what i was trying to say.

[miotas]

Speaking from experience, it will probably be simpler to get a combo modem/wireless router in one box, as having the modem go to the router then to your computer can quite often cause problems. Though it will be more expensive than just a wireless router.

[Hooahguy]

the issue isnt what i should get. the issue is how should i go about convincing my dad to let me gt a router.

[Samurai Waki]

I understand that some parents can be awfully strict in their backwardness when it comes to "technology" and their lack of understanding.

Try convincing a "conservative businessman" like my father, that switching from DOS to Win98 would be a sound investment. He fought me for over a year, even though he absolutely refused to accept that I was right. Although, eventually he did make the switch, and thanked me for the sound advice. After that, he never questioned me when it came to matters of technology.

[pevergreen]

Sometimes you just need the right circumstances.

I too, have been a few situations like the one above. Getting a custom computer, was ignored, it turned out bad. I've been at my parents to get a decent internet connection for about a year now, and once I pinpointed the cause of the no, (them wanting to keep their old email) one guy I work with gave me a solution, and it may just work yet.

Try Hooah, I'm rooting for you :2thumbsup:

[CountArach]

How much technological nous does your father have? If he doesn't know a great deal about computers you can just make :daisy: up about how it will increase the speed of the internet somewhat and be much, much more secure. In short, let him see self-interest in this, whilst not bringing up what you have to gain from it.

Also I have to say I think that asking why you are banned from the main computer is a good idea.

[Hooahguy]

hes kinda tech savy. he still is majorly ignorant when it comes to hardware for computers (i convinced him about 2 years ago that we needed more RAM for our old desktop, and i did it by saying newer flash drives wont work if we dont have enough RAM- we only had 256 mb :shocked:)
but hes also smart enough to see when im pulling the wool over his eyes, so ill need some proof of my claims.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I must admit, I'm more than a little confused about the tech issue here.

A Router needs a net connection, most are modems in their own right, but even then I don't think you can have two modems connected and working on one line.

Sounds like you need a router for the desktop anyway, and that will come with wireless as standard, allowing you to surf the net.

Here's the thing though:

You shouldn't be stealing and you shouldn't be going behind your parents' backs. If you're being punished for something, then I think you should suck it up and earn their trust, not try to get around them. Fact is, you don't need to play computer games, it won't kill you not to. Hell, at the start of this year I had no net for about 2 months, I lived.

Alternatively, if you've been banned for practical reasons it's probably because your Dad found something on the PC that shouldn't have been there and traced it back to you.

[Prodigal]

YOU KNOW YOUR FATHER BETTER THAN ME, SO USE THIS ADVICE WITH DUE CARE!

You walk up to yer ol' man wearing cardboard boxes with shiny paint that look like circuits on them, (use your imagination here...Also it would help if you were in the dark, while wearing a flourescent frisbee on your head), you look him square in the eye, (use a chair if you're really young), and say

"Pappy; I am TRON.

I come from the interweb!

Provide me with access to my people and in their gratitude they will deliver unto you Free Porn"

If your dad is a church going man you WILL get in deep trouble for the latter part of that...But if he's around a certain age; saw a movie called Tron & liked it, the painted cardboard suit & frisbee hat has the potential to be a hit.

Course you can just offer to do (in advance) a bucket load of chores in exchange.

Something that you should consider before any of this though, is your family.

Your parents have to keep a roof over your head, (& times aren't great atm), so may be they think spending money on, food, clothes, health care, & your education, are more important than free porn.

Sux to be old but there it is :shame: and hell man it ain't WOW worthy but who in their right minds wants to go there, atm you have truly Free Porn! Enjoy :2thumbsup:

[Hooahguy]

You shouldn't be stealing and you shouldn't be going behind your parents' backs. If you're being punished for something, then I think you should suck it up and earn their trust, not try to get around them. Fact is, you don't need to play computer games, it won't kill you not to. Hell, at the start of this year I had no net for about 2 months, I lived.

Alternatively, if you've been banned for practical reasons it's probably because your Dad found something on the PC that shouldn't have been there and traced it back to you.
yes, i know i shouldnt be stealing and thats another reason why i need to get a router. when i was first caught my dad wanted to buy a router but somewhere in the process the idea got stalled and we never got it. :no:
and i finally remember why im banned from the main computer. back last summer i overused the computer. i would go on too often and he was worried that i was addicted. though i have since proven hm otherwise, he still bans me. except for school work but i do that on my laptop anyways.

so i think i have a plan to get the router:
i ask him why i can get a router for the family.
i present the facts and how you can put limits on the usage of the router and a web filter and all that other info.
tell him theres a great deal on at newegg.com for a really good router, and it ends in four days (its $30 less than the original price). (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190)
tell him ill do more chores and stuff like that to earn it, and ill even buy the router with my own money.

tada! my dad is a sucker for sales. :2thumbsup:

[Prodigal]

Gratz man :laugh4: still think the Tron suit would have worked, but you know best

[Ja'chyra]

Wait, didn't you just sign up for the marines and you aren't allowed a router?

[Hooahguy]

um no i didnt sign up for the marines. i signed up for the IDF, but thats in 2 years.

anyways, i tried to convince my dad, but he said no. but he also left the possiblity open to get a router, but not in the near future.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

yes, i know i should be stealing and thats another reason why i need to get a router. when i was first caught my dad wanted to buy a router but somewhere in the process the idea got stalled and we never got it. :no:
and i finally remember why im banned from the main computer. back last summer i overused the computer. i would go on too often and he was worried that i was addicted. though i have since proven hm otherwise, he still bans me. except for school work but i do that on my laptop anyways.

Well, you say you're still stealing, so maybe your old man has a point. If you want to impress him you might try going on a fitness kick, that improved my relationship with my Father a few years ago.

Do genuine manly stuff, run a couple of miles a few times a week, chop wood with an axe etc.

[Hooahguy]

staying in shape isnt my problem. i go running + lift weights at least 3 times a week. and he doesnt know that im still using my neighbors wifi.

but as i was doing my pre-sabbath chores (with a bit more vigor than usual, i might add) he told me, "im glad to see that you want to work towards your router."
so theres hope for me yet! it may take a while, but i definitely think i can do it.

[miotas]

I must admit, I'm more than a little confused about the tech issue here.

A Router needs a net connection, most are modems in their own right, but even then I don't think you can have two modems connected and working on one line.

Sounds like you need a router for the desktop anyway, and that will come with wireless as standard, allowing you to surf the net.

It would indeed be strange to get a broadband modem that isn't a router, but most come with just a standard router for free when you sign up to the plan, you usually have to pay extra to get wireless. At least that's how it is here in Oz, but I know our internet is pretty backwards compared to the rest of the world. Take Hooah's connection for example, unless it's basically dialup speed then most gamers here would probably find it more than sufficent for gaming.

[Hooahguy]

its not dialup, dont worry.