Now Presents:Tactics101: the Crunch

[Kelvar_Mongol]

I will now present my tactical experiences in a series of Posts. these will deal primarily with battle formations and manuvers of your army. This can apply to both Campaign and Online

1. The Crunch.

This is one of the easiest and simpliest form of One on One.
the condition is to have a homogenous army of Yari samuri, and to battle on a field that is relatively flat.

The reason for a homogenous army of Yari-Samuri is that their combat power to cost is the highest. And thus with Morale upgrades it is also cheaper.

the 16 yari-samuri units you have choosed must have all share the Honor Kukos evenly.

Line them up!
If you place defense, you can line them up beforehand but it is still achievable when you play offensive.

Line up a Long line of Infantry from left to right with each unit 4-5 rank deep. group the Left and right extreme 3 into groups.

two stacks in the center , have a 6 or 5 unit center in the front with 3 or 4 unit held in second line right behind the frony. Place your Taisho behind your second line: Protect him.

So you have something like this.

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Gauge your enemy's approxmate direction.
Select all and set all to Hold Formation, so they will behave much steadier.

And Click behind the enemy so the your men match in a line.
Because your line is So long that it is mostly impossible for the enemy to manuver out. and because you have cheaper units you have all 16 units. and they all have decent honors.

So when the your center contact his center he will face 2 line of Yari-samuri while your wing group is matching behind him. Now! turn the left and right so that they out flank both of his sides.
If one wing or the other is taking his center of gravity, you will match your centers and the other flank to box him in.

The center can hold very long because it is double lined and reinforced.
and the flanking manuvers will destroy CRUNCH any thing he have.

Disregard Archers. They will cause you to have casulties, But If you have loose formation or slow down to pull back, more casulties will follow.

Disregard other "baits" Concentrate where his Main Force, you can CRUNCH the others later.

This is a adaptation of the true and tried double flanking manuver,used by Hannible/Alexander/Germans,41
Combined with the Cost effective units of Yarisamuri.
Variations: Beef up the center with Naginata,or the wings with Monks.

Next Post: the Cresent

[Kurando]

You're definitely a veteran in the STW community Kelv + I for one am going to take your suggestions to heart.

[Karhu]

Great stuff, Kelvar! Will certainly try this out, and am looking forward to the next post.

[Kocmoc]

m8,

if i understood right, u got 16 units of sams. this is a rush.
i hope we can try this in a 1v1.
some questions
i think u have to rush, u cant shoot http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
what u do if i overwight 1 site?
what u do if i get a defendig position?
what u do if i concetrat fire on 1 of ur units? they will run at first

btw i dont attack ur holding sams http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


i dont think this is a good tactic


Koc

[barocca]

hoho kelvar!
you a funny guy...


[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 06-06-2001).]

[barocca]

me laugh loooong time...

[theforce]

I m using a similar thing with my high honot ys or naga to march first line backed up by some wm and taisho and other come from behind and head from the flank. But l also use projectile units sicne they are good for taking out wm and brake morale. Well this tactic is cool man but some may call someone a rusher for having a 16 melle army.

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[Magyar Khan]

it might work once , it hardly works twice and it will never be a standard....

i kevlar, have u been away for a while?

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[Kelvar_Mongol]

This is just some thing I thought I can share with you guys, Nothing more than ideas.

Yari Samuri is a cheaper unit, so I can upgrade this to a higher honor than yours, The idea is to have more unit to yours at a slightly less quality but manuver them in groups.
As for defending positions and archer heavy formations, yes, this is pretty tricky but the idea is to have a line of unit closing in on you, one or two units may suffer casualties, but the rest is preserved and the whole tactical power of the army is not greatly degraded,

Magyar: Yes, 6 weeks of Aerosapce Engineering make you have less time than you thought you have :0

[Vanya]

Why not use YA? THey are even cheaper than YS!

[Kocmoc]

i think we need amp here!

he can explain the perfect use af an Ashi-Army-Setup.

But, who is amp, someone of u saw him around in last time?


Koc

[Kelvar_Mongol]

Vanya:
Actually, the hitting power of Yari Ashigura is limited: i.e. I lost 100 to kill your 50, And They run rather easily, The idea is to have a bnch of decent melee units and encircle. Provided that they don't break and run first,

[Kelvar_Mongol]

Amp....???
As in "Amphere" of electrity....Oh nOooo...Physics...Must ...Run ...awAYYYY..
AHHHHH...

[Shiro]

Sounds like fun strat. I'll try it!

[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by Kelvar_Mongol:
Vanya:
Actually, the hitting power of Yari Ashigura is limited: i.e. I lost 100 to kill your 50, And They run rather easily, The idea is to have a bnch of decent melee units and encircle. Provided that they don't break and run first, [/QUOTE]

True, but you can 1. Jack up their honor higher than with YS due to lower initial cost, and 2. You can put them into wedgies to up their offensive prowess... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Vanya]

Quote Next Post: the Cresent[/B][/QUOTE]

This one I want to see, for I too have a 'Crescent'... (which I posted in private forums on TwinTigers) Would be interesting to compare our two...

[High Voltage]

Someone tried something similar on me once. It was obvious that his power was in the center, and his line was too long to flank. So what did I do? I made my center 1 line and my wings 2 lins, like this:

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So as the armies hit, it looked like this:

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[High Voltage]

well it didn't show right http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif Oh well hopefully you get the idea.

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[Vanya]

I see what you are saying... nice. But it is not even close to what my Crescent looks like/was formulated for. Just to give out a number... using my Crescent, I have racked up on several occasions almost 1000 kills in 2v2s on Totomi before my ally even reached my position! Some folks even commented on how 'odd' my position looked at first!

With that being said, I'm sure other people's Crescent's do not necessarily follow the patterns/guidelines mine does... so therein lies my interest in comparison...

[Vanya]

Of course, every formation has a weakness in addition to its strengths. Therein lies the tactical gambit. As Sun Tzu said, the pinnacle of military deployment is formlessness; if your deployment lacks form/formation, then there is no weakness to exploit! This is perhaps why guerilla tactics are so hard to effectively counter...

But even a mob of disorganized peasants rushing the general is in itself a formation (ie, BLOB).

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[Kelvar_Mongol]

Ok,
High Volt: i see what you saying. Good Idea. That tactic is Sort like my "Clam"... But that's for #3...
Vanya: My Crescent is actually much akin to French Pastry. the idea is to give the other guy plenty to eat while you slaughter him....Just Joking.
I will post my crescent Before the week is over.

[Tone]

Ah Vanya, I didn't realize what I used to do had a name. I can now hold my head up with pride and say "yes I was once a Blobber"

[Kelvar_Mongol]

I Like Blobs:
The famous Blobbers in Histroy:
-Pre-Napoleanonic French Army was a Blobber,their main strategy was to used Massed Parisan Citizen army to Bayonet Charge the Organized "Powder Whigs" -> Counter revolutionary Invaders (To translate from french Literally)from: i.e. Revolutionary Zeal + Mass = Victroy

So that's why France wasn't Over run by the Austrians and Prussians before Napoleaon.

Napolean basically added three things: Organization and Firepower: I.e: Zeal + Mass + Musket Balln' Bread+ Cannons = Victory, he wasn't a brillant Tactican everyone he think he is.

Other Blobbers:
-Ikki Peasant rebels:
Yep, They were Blobers with Sharpenedd Bambo sticks. Worked pretty well with Disorganized Samuris.
Actually they were discribed in Histroy books as "Raise the Sticks" i.e. Raised Bambo sticks

The best strategy is a formless one: but Organization and Command is important to Victory (You need to give you guys Food and weapons and Tell them who they need to kill)
it is inevitable that army are organized into Components and given a Hieachy:
The only Solution in the Future:
Make Borg Drone out of Ashigurus and Thus they are Nerually linked Collectives, thus the whole Blob behave like One Organism.
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[Vanya]

But with Mech-Ashigarus... where would the samurai be needed? We must ensure our position in society in the future! God forbid the rice-paddie workers take over!

LOL