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lordbuxton
07-27-2009, 00:32
It does seem historical inaccurate that you train a specific unit type. Historical the senate would of raised a legion not recruit three units of hastari (ignore spelling). So would it not be better if instead of training individual units you instead would raise a legion or something. Yes it would take more than one turn to create but it would consist of several different roman units ie hastair prinnipier, like a small army.
You could implement the same thing with a barbarian faction ie call to arms or something.
At least in M2TW, we can get some multiple recruitment slots, and variable unit replenishment rate... but It looks weird if we got more than 8 units in one turn
I can understand your meaning , but this game is not like that. It cannot be modded to make multiple units in one shot, even thought it may churn out more units.
Getting nine units (assuming that each unit makes three, and the city is large, with three recruitment slots) is really historically incorrect to do in a season alone.
lordbuxton
07-27-2009, 00:41
At least in M2TW, we can get some multiple recruitment slots, and variable unit replenishment rate... but It looks weird if we got more than 8 units in one turn
it would take a few turns to create a legion it would not happen over night
but yer they did raise several legions at the same time. Ie the second punic wars
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Besides it was quite expensive thing to do and also this is a lot more historical accurate than than the sytem thats already in place.
There might be a problem adding it
but its only an idea.
Probably in different cites, but churning that much units will be a worry.... I suggest that you recruit three units in the major cities to simulate such.
lordbuxton
07-27-2009, 00:48
Probably in different cites, but churning that much units will be a worry.... I suggest that you recruit three units in the major cities to simulate such.
It would take several turns to raise one of these small armys and they would not be cheap. but you have to rember a similar sytem would be implace with the other factions ie a kings call to arms.
How about the greeks and the steepes. The Crusade/Jihad feature had been thrown out the window by the EB team.
A Very Super Market
07-27-2009, 02:07
The team can't do much about it. With the M2 engine a player could do so himself, but their is no way to recruit units packed in legions.
As i recall a crusade requires a papal faction so it would be out, maybe they'll use jihads for something but I'm not sure what.
@OP what your talking about sounds a bit like ETW (i haven't played it btw)where you can have generals recuit units which get built in the surrounding cities and move to him quite historical accurate for an EB timeframe, sadly this wouldn't be possible wtih EBII.
moonburn
08-01-2009, 07:23
actually the idea isn´t bad
just make it like 25% more expensive on the slot 2 then on the slot1 and so on every new unit would cost 25% more to recruit then the previous one thus simulating emergencies and the need for fresh troops fast (the cost increase would ofc simulate the higher payment being offered to atract more men or the more expensive/greedy armourers would be for having to work harder or the cost it would have on farms/trade by such a fast conscription)
also on upgrades and chevrons slot 4 wouldn´t have the armour upgrades (if there was any)
and for each extra slot there would be 1 less chevron on the unit
what i dislike is the amount of elites one can recruit they should be capped like pella as 4000 population one should only be able to hire 400 elite units (+ retraining 800 tops to simulate power/grants made on certain soldiers for outstanding work) every 10 years (40 turns)
furthermore maybe a kind of lather could be created for specific units like to hire a classical hoplite one would have to disband/upgrade an hoploi unit with x amount of chevrons
to get peztharoi one would have to disband/upgrade a unit of levypikeman and for argaspydes (or whatever their name) disband/upgrade a unit of pheztaroi
hastati ==> princeps ==> triari
both historical correct and great for roleplaying imho
furthermore ... chevrons beteween the same type of unit could be swaped to increase the rate at wich one can create a better standing army and to simulate the changes/gathering of the distingished soldiers into single units and the less capable one´s being sent from the "good" units to the "average" units
great for roleplaying once again. ofc to stop "cheating"/"abuses" these upgrades and chevron switches could only be available for fullsized units
and i better stop brainstorming now i´m jugling 2 much :juggle2:
Skullheadhq
08-01-2009, 12:43
As i recall a crusade requires a papal faction so it would be out, maybe they'll use jihads for something but I'm not sure what.
@OP what your talking about sounds a bit like ETW (i haven't played it btw)where you can have generals recuit units which get built in the surrounding cities and move to him quite historical accurate for an EB timeframe, sadly this wouldn't be possible wtih EBII.
Like migrations for Sweboz andother not yet announced Germanic factions and Steppe factions
antisocialmunky
08-01-2009, 13:48
I believe you can do that sort of recruitment by building a structure that then is checked for by the script. But really, the game will have multiple unit recruitment so you can crank then out over the span of 2-3 turns.
Azathoth
08-07-2009, 03:16
furthermore maybe a kind of lather could be created for specific units like to hire a classical hoplite one would have to disband/upgrade an hoploi unit with x amount of chevrons
to get peztharoi one would have to disband/upgrade a unit of levypikeman and for argaspydes (or whatever their name) disband/upgrade a unit of pheztaroi
hastati ==> princeps ==> triari
both historical correct and great for roleplaying imho
That's not really how it works...
The difference between Levy Hoplites and regular hoplites is equipment/wealth, basically. Same with the phalanxes you mentioned, as well as the Roman troops, though experience would apply more in that case.
moonburn
08-07-2009, 03:58
That's not really how it works...
The difference between Levy Hoplites and regular hoplites is equipment/wealth, basically. Same with the phalanxes you mentioned, as well as the Roman troops, though experience would apply more in that case.
thats true for hoplites indeed (but nothing like roleplaying royal grants of land to the best experienced troops)
as for roman´s i believe the wealth diference was beteween the rorari leves etc and the hastati princeps and triarii where the later had to go up in this type of lather (?) the triarii where the most experienced troops in a legion (older) and the hastati the youngest one´s (youngest)
anyway this sistem could put a cap on the "true" elites (trully nobles by making it a % of the total population) and a way to make it harder for someone to drill up an army of pure hardened quasi elite troops (trokithai)
Azathoth
08-07-2009, 05:39
They're using recruitment pools for that, though. Either they were thinking about it, or they already decided to implement it, can't remember which.
just make it like 25% more expensive on the slot 2
Impossible.
also on upgrades and chevrons slot 4 wouldn´t have the armour upgrades (if there was any)
and for each extra slot there would be 1 less chevron on the unit
Impossible.
what i dislike is the amount of elites one can recruit they should be capped like pella as 4000 population one should only be able to hire 400 elite units (+ retraining 800 tops to simulate power/grants made on certain soldiers for outstanding work) every 10 years (40 turns)
This is impossible in the way you describe it. However, there are other possibilities for restricting how many of each kind of unit you can field. As Azathoth says, we plan to restrict the units through the recruitment pools. To be precise, the replenishment of the pool.
furthermore maybe a kind of lather could be created for specific units like to hire a classical hoplite one would have to disband/upgrade an hoploi unit with x amount of chevrons
Impossible.
furthermore ... chevrons beteween the same type of unit could be swaped to increase the rate at wich one can create a better standing army and to simulate the changes/gathering of the distingished soldiers into single units and the less capable one´s being sent from the "good" units to the "average" units
great for roleplaying once again. ofc to stop "cheating"/"abuses" these upgrades and chevron switches could only be available for fullsized units
Impossible for full units. For depleted units, there is a trick where you can repeatedly send men from a full unit back and forth to it, doing the opposite of what you want (evening out the experience levels of the two units instead of increasing the difference). This trick is available no matter how we would try to mod it.
moonburn
08-14-2009, 17:11
impossible causethe engine doesn´t allow it :X it was just my mind brainstorming anyway :sweatdrop:
This is impossible in the way you describe it. However, there are other possibilities for restricting how many of each kind of unit you can field. As Azathoth says, we plan to restrict the units through the recruitment pools. To be precise, the replenishment of the pool.
Would the recruitment pools work for the AI as well?
It's extremely irritating coming up against stack after stack of Triarii when facing the Romani in EBI. If this could be fixed the gameplay would be greatly enhanced.
Yes, the pools will be limited for the AI as well. Still, as we like having a challenging campaign, the restrictions for the AI may be somewhat looser. We expect the player to be able to wipe away more high-end units of the AI than the player will lose.
Yes, the pools will be limited for the AI as well. Still, as we like having a challenging campaign, the restrictions for the AI may be somewhat looser. We expect the player to be able to wipe away more high-end units of the AI than the player will lose.
Definately, we do have an intelligence that is genuine after all. That's good news anyway, should hopefully force the A.I to use more balanced armies also.
Megas Methuselah
08-21-2009, 06:20
Yes, the pools will be limited for the AI as well. Still, as we like having a challenging campaign, the restrictions for the AI may be somewhat looser. We expect the player to be able to wipe away more high-end units of the AI than the player will lose.
Would this pool limitation for the AI (as well as the human, I suppose) vary from difficulty to difficulty?
mountaingoat
08-21-2009, 08:43
so the AI is going to spam elites again?
A Very Super Market
08-21-2009, 16:10
so the AI is going to spam elites again?
The point of recruitment pools is to stop that.
mountaingoat
08-21-2009, 21:46
i know , i just meant that if we lower the AI requirements for recruiting elites , spam may ensue .
anyway it is all about balance , i think the recruitment pool in mtw2 makes it much better for training armies.
SwissBarbar
08-31-2009, 15:16
Nice Idea, but... what is 1 legion? It's not the ancient Romans, it is YOUR Empire, and if you say "1 Legion has 10 Triarii", then 1 legion has 10 Triarii, and basta. EB is history in the making (in every aspect :2thumbsup: )
So you can Roleplay your idea, by just not letting the Soldiers get active until you have finished the trainig of your legion.
How will recrutitment pools work?
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