THE OFFICAL SHOGUN WORSHIPERS THREAD

[dragonchi]

there is no comparison .... but thats just my opinion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Im not great at the game, but like playing it.



Lets sort out the boys from the boys ..... whos with me



(hehehe ..... hope i wont be the only one visiting this thread ... oh well if so .... I'll have fun spamming.)

[Orda Khan]

Trying to answer your question constructively as I have played both and must admit I tend to agree. The MTW battles though similar to Shogun have too many 'factors' about them. They are still fun when they work and this is where the main problems lie. There are so many silly online bugs that after sitting at your pc for 3 hours you'd be lucky to have played a single game. As I already stated when things run smooth there is great fun to be had. I was counting on having fun playing as Golden Horde but they have been made so weak its a joke.
In MI we are lucky because we all have the same unit choice and therefore we have the same chance. As we all know MTW has strong and weak factions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif and I still can't work out why. So I would just say a working MTW is fun but STW/MI is more fun.
The next thing I would suggest is that people try the 103 stat Mod. If you want to see epic battles this is your passport. Many times we have been battling for an hour or longer in 3v3 and 4v4. Everything is so well balanced and there is no need for the 4 max no Ashi rule. I guarantee you will like it

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[Jochi Khan]

I don't know why but some people seem to be reluctant to use 1.03 stat Mod.
It's as if 1.02 is the only playable stat.
From experience I can confirm Orda's comments.
Some battles have lasted an hour and been quite mind blowing.
Personaly I would like to see more people using the 1.03 stat.
Perhaps this will answer the players who keep asking others to join their games and getting a poor response. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
I play both stats but prefer 1.03. I also enjoy 1.05 stat for Mongol battles. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

...............Jochi

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

I'm always going to read it Mist http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Have no fear though - STW/MI are still my favourite However, I have to get some practice in on MTW right now... big things coming up http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[dragonchi]

WOW great response already ...... glad Im not the only one .... hopefully there will be many more. Jochi I knew I would see you here.

I think one of the reasons why people dont use the 103 stat is because they either dont have it, dont know where to get it, or dont know how to use it.

So everyone if you dont have it, download and instal it (Stat Swapper 3)

Stat swapper 3, click here to down load (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/STW/stats/StatSwapper3.0.zip)


If your useing Windows XP then you will also need this

Bat file reader, click here to down load (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/STW/stats/WinXP-Bat.zip)

Installation instuctions are provided.

Lets try to convert ...... if for any other reason I getting tierd of have to ask "Rules" .... "4 max what ?" blablabla http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(thanks to tosa)

If any of the above is incorrect please let me know.

[Kas]

I'm a "Sunday Sam", but I always check the Sword Dojo and I will keep promoting the game.

I love to play a few 1.03 battles this Sunday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dragonchi]

Great to see you post here Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ..... lets liven up the sword dojo ....... Great work with the Sunday Sam

[NagatsukaShumi]

I prefer Shogun because of it's setting and the opportunity to fight as real Daimyo like Uesugi Kenshin etc., MTW is good but I just prefer Shogun, mainly because I like Oreintal/Asian warfare.

[Vlad The Impaler]

i like SHOGUN more than M:TW too for the same reasons with
NagatsukaShumi;
also i think that this game should be sacrosant http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Orda Khan]

Just to let you know I've uploaded 14 maps to the Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif They are not all new but they are the complete list of my maps........to date that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

103 on Sunday sounds great....mmm nice work Mist

......Orda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Jochi Khan]

Hi Guys

A couple of 1.03 games on Sam Sunday??????
Wow Looks like there are going to be some epic battles.
Can't wait for the weekend http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yes mist, I like reading popular posts m8.
Count me in. No need for you to spam

.............Jochi

[Draksen]

IMHO ...

there are players who love STW(MI or not),
there are players who love MTW,
and...

there are A LOT of players who think that they love
more MTW only because it is a new game.

I don't see big differences between the two games, but :

- for me, Shoguns animation and battles are better.
- strategic map is better : I don't like having an army of emissaries, princesses, spies ... on the str. map. bah
- I LOVE samurais and Sengoku Jidai, and I am not a fan of European Middle Ages (of course, my opinion once more).

I have played MTW for 1,5 week only, then uninstalled it and reinstalled STW:MI.
Nothing more to say.

(I have reinstalled MTW now, but still play/prefer STW)

[TenkiSoratoti]

I like the overall theme of Japan, I live in england i like change, and japan in shogun does just that.

[Rath]

The Greatest online game ever is STW. MI ruined it.

Never will be forgotten.

[dragonchi]

Hi Rath .... Dragonchi here ..... Im from Oz also, do you still play MI on line ? ...... I try to play with the others but as they are all over the other side of the world I have to join them at like 2am http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif dam I'm tired



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[TenkiSoratoti]

Ok ive had it shogun is better than mtw, i have had it up to my neck in 99999 games its just silly really http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

STW - no bugs, quick to play, no drops, no gamespy.

MTW - ill leave that up to you.....

[youssof_Toda]

STW was the best mp game: no doubt about it.

[TenkiSoratoti]

STW rule the way.

Hey you know that thing they did for half life which bumped up the graphics for the game, maybe they could give us something to download which could do just that for shogun, not a bad idea if i do say so myself.

[Orda Khan]

Well Mist, it was great to meet you online and a pleasure doing battle with you (and your 'terminator' Nodachi) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Sorry we kept you up until 4 a.m (hehe been there) maybe next week I'll go online earlier, though I was alone in the foyer at 1 p.m GMT.
Glad you enjoyed the 103 stats, I knew you would and thanks for 2 very interesting battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

.......Orda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Rath]

Hi Mist - don't play it anymore - when i can find the time to play it's on MTW with my clanmates.

Would be good if i could organise for the clan to spend a day on the MI server tho...

[youssof_Toda]

I would prefer some good old shogy instead of MI but it seems the foyer of STW is rather dead.

[Rath]

Yeh so would i...i was under the impression it didn't exist anymore, must be wrong, which is a good thing.

[dragonchi]

Hi all

Orda ...... yeah I had great fun too ..... we did have some great battles ...... I hope me Dochi come and join me in battle this weekend again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . I dont mind having to stay up till 4am to play shoggy ...... i love it to much. Using the 103 stats made it even better ...... makes the battles have so much more depth and unpredictable ..... tis great.

I look forward to doing battle with ya again ...... yes would be great earlier http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif


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[dragonchi]

Rath ...... come in and join the fun on Sundays "Sunday Sam day" ...... and the oldies play Shogun MI ..... its heaps of fun.

I rearly play MTW ..... I just dont like it ..... I have tried to like it ...but no luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Be great to have another Ozz online on Sundays http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



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[dragonchi]

HI Tosa .......dragonchi here .....was great to do battle with you on Sunday. Thanks again for all your help. You where right .... I did have a bad download of stat swapper 3, after re downloading and installling it ..... I noticed that the toda stat was actually a direct option ... option "d" ..... I did not have this on the version that I previously downloaded. Thanks for re posting it.

I have not had a change to test it out ..... but look forward to using it again on Sunday .... so hope to see you there.

Also .... I would really like to hear more about the other things you where talking to me about ...... they sounded great.


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[TenkiSoratoti]

Remember what the statswapper did to our games? was that the real cause?

[dragonchi]

Hi Sora ........ I worked out what it was ..... and it wasnt the statswapper directly. It was bad download of.

It began with an incomplete installation of statswapper 3, then in my attempts to get it to work I manually changed some stats .... and thats what caused the problems. So those two files I got you to send me .... replaced my corrupted ones. And now All is good.

Tosa has now re poster the stat swapper 3 and there are no longer problems with its installation.

So it was not the problem.

Sora would be great if you installed it and we have some games using stat 1.03 ....... its really balanced and adds lot more depth....and is less predictable. It makes the game what it should be. Also there is no need for the 4 max rule ... 2 super ashi stuff.

See you in Battle.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Ah i see but muskies are weakened true?

Hmm i cant find the readme to it with all the changes, can you tell me where they on the net or send me a readme, that would be great thanks.

[Orda Khan]

After the 103 stats were released I played them extensively til the 'end' of MI, a breakdown of each units stats I can not give you but there are some things I can point out.
Muskets are weaker yes, not weak, just weaker and their range is less. I have used them as have many others and to good effect, doing what they were intended to do but no more than that. Let's face it they are just Ashi's with guns not trained marksmen who somehow manage to kill your general when he is, or at least should be, out of range. In 103 they will not turn away a cavalry charge, so there is a nice realism to it.
Monks are again what they should be and are the best infantry unit. Saying that, they are not the powerful STW Monks, they fall prey to arrows and that overlooked Naginata unit can hold them up for a long time. So yes the Naginata is a very good choice too in 103. I've seen Toda walk his Nags around chewing up the enemy, awesome. On another occasion, when I had all his men routing, his Naginata General fought like an animal, rallied his troops and led them to victory An incredible display and a lesson in how to use them.

Best news of all is that ridiculous pumped up peasants have no place on the field. They are peasants and not trained expensive troops, therefore only good for backing up decent units. They can still kill, just not everything that moves.

Heavy Cav is a bit weaker, they won't have all their own way against Yari Cav.

The 103 stat is best played at 8000 koku per army.

Hopefully we can try some 3v3 and even some 4v4 next 'Sam Sunday'

........Orda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[TenkiSoratoti]

Its gonna take getting used yuo couldnt give me some input on what army to pick could u?

I needa leg up thats all.

[Orda Khan]

How about these two examples......

SA .....4
YS........3
ND........2
WM.......2
CA........2
NC........2
YC........1

YS.......2
Nag......3
ND.......2
Musk....3
SA.......2
WM......2
NC.......2

There are times when I have brought 12 range units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You will have your own ideas too I am sure

..........Orda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[TenkiSoratoti]

Do those numbers mean honour or the number of units??

[dragonchi]

They look like number of units as it would be strange to spend 8ooo on 7 units ..... also they add up to 16 ... therefore would say 16 units.....


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[TenkiSoratoti]

Yes i realised that just after i posted it. But i still need to know the honour???

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Try variations on the honour Sora, and notice how the army acts differently.

Looking at those two armies, the first is similar to my favourite army, and although SA are usually used with low honour, you might just wanna try giving them a little boost and see what happens. The bottom one, although having muskets, is very similar. Remember now in 1.03 that muskets' purpose has now changed; they are there primarily to cause fear in the enemy, not to shoot them up so much (that's a bonus.)

I do think giving away too many tactics is a cheat. Your best option is to try out your own armies until you find one that suits what you would like it to do.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Righty ho.

[Orda Khan]

Yes that first army is a nice 'standard' one, kind of all purpose. The scope that a 3v3 or 4v4 gives you, especially when you know your allies, allows you to field some strange armies.

Sora you will find that with 8000 koku the honour levels for all units will be lower than the usual 10000 koku v1.02 battles so you therefore need to spend it wisely. We can chat about it on Sunday but in the meantime H4 W2 A1 Muskets is not a wise move http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

........Orda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[TenkiSoratoti]

I had my muskies at honour 1 and honour 2 , i didnt rely on them that much so it wasnt a great loss if someone rushed my muskies and i lost some of them, now what i relyed was cavs and their superb ability.. I wont go on.

[dragonchi]

Hi All ........

I've been away for hollidays but now I'm back ...... so whats been happening ........ is shogun still going strong ?




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[dragonchi]

Who going to be online this Sunday? and at what time?





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[TosaInu]

I will, some 1400 gmt and on.

It is true that units have less honor in 8k than 10k. But the morale in 1.03 is still better for various reasons:

-guns have a slightly longer reload and a slightly lower kills/volley: do less damage to the enemy. They still kill and they still hurt morale though.
-some units have +2 morale added in the stats (the wmonk).
-most units have shifted a melee point to defense: they kill slower and fight longer -> battles last longer, attritition is less -> morale doesn't drop as fast as 1.02.
-1.02 guns managed to repel many attacks on their own, 1.03 guns don't. 1.02 guns strongly influenced the melee stage (lots of kills and morale hits).

The mongol army is a bit of a problem, and the 1.03 stat was (regarding the mongol) released too early. We've tested all mongol units, and it looked fine, but frequent use showed they are a bit too weak (that's good news ihmo, since they always were too strong: a small tweak up can bring them were they should be).

[Tera]

Old STW was the best. I favour both MI 1.02 and 1.03 over MTW...the latter just lacks the 'feel' and maybe yes, that simplicity yet very deep in tactics.

Tera

[Sjakihata]

I tend to like shogun better than mtw. I like the setting better as well, am a big fan of japanese history, and like to "play the battles" : )

I hope the will redo shoggy with the 3D engine and add other features as well, there's still a hope, and of course Shôgun: Total War II http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[TenkiSoratoti]

I think everyones a fan of japanese history i think its because of the idea of samurai's and honour, those little japanese men with big swords (not the rude kind) nothing better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[dragonchi]

Jochi ...... where are you ??? havent seen you online for ages





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[Jochi Khan]

Hi Dragonchi

Sorry I seem to have neglected you lately.
What with the holidays and my introduction to MTW I haven't had a lot of time to play Shogun.
I will try to make up for it this coming Sunday about 1-1.30pm UK time .......11-11.30pm Oz time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

..............Jochi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Jochi Khan]

Or should I address you as mist in postings?????

..............Jochi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[dragonchi]

Hey Jochi ....

Good to hear from you ...... well .... I am disappointed ..... converting to MTW hey .... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif ... that game annoys the **** out of me everyt time I play it.

Hope to see you in the foyer sometime


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Drangonchi ............ in the Mist[B]

[Alrowan]

ive been playing shoggy for the last week now.. damn game keeps me hooked, but i do miss some of the variety MTW offers

[dragonchi]

ahhhh....you have seen the light ........theres no turning
back now.

By the way im from Australia as well ..... so thats great...
maybe we can have some games at a normal hour....you will find that a lot of the others players are from the other side, and are online around 3am.....jjjeeesss .... so hope to see you in there some time.

also .....I use the name Dragonchi[B] online.


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