OT: Belgium discussion

[WImPyTjeH]

I split the Belgian talk from the Where is EB made thread.
- Krusader

Aha! I see one fellow countryman :D Moros, where are you from?

[Moros]

Aha! I see one fellow countryman :D Moros, where are you from?



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[Jolt]

Moros is from Jan 2005! :laugh4:

Such a ripe age and already knowing so much!

[Moros]

Moros is from Jan 2005! :laugh4:

Such a ripe age and already knowing so much!

Yeah well I'm going for Mensa presidency when I get 6.

Edit: anyway. Perhaps we should leave Mensa and polar bears aside for now.

[WImPyTjeH]

Weird, I usually see more people asking things like: "Belgium... isn't that a city in France? Or isn't that the capital of Brussels" when I speak about it :inquisitive::grin:

[antisocialmunky]

Can you send me some chocolate, Moros?

[WImPyTjeH]

Can you send me some chocolate, Moros?
Or beer?

[Mediolanicus]

Weird, I usually see more people asking things like: "Belgium... isn't that a city in France? Or isn't that the capital of Brussels" when I speak about it :inquisitive::grin:

People who play EB usually know where Belgica is, so...

From which part of Belgium are you?

[Moros]

People who play EB usually know where Belgica is, so...

From which part of Belgium are you?

Yeah that's right you were as well, were you not?

[Mediolanicus]

Yeah that's right you were as well, were you not?

Yep, from the village of escaped convicts and baby-killers.

[Moros]

Yep, from the village of escaped convicts and baby-killers.

Oh yeah. :embarassed:

[Watchman]

Sounds like a prime vacation spot. :rockstar:

[WImPyTjeH]

People who play EB usually know where Belgica is, so...

From which part of Belgium are you?
Flemish Brabant (Vlaams Brabant for you probably :P) - Zemst

[Andy1984]

Yep, from the village of escaped convicts and baby-killers.

which one?

[Mediolanicus]

The village of escaped convicts (http://www.interpol.int/public/News/2006/BelgianEscape20060821.asp) and baby-killers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7848690.stm).

[antisocialmunky]

Wait, Belgium is a constitutional monarchy? I thought it was a republic '.'.

[Watchman]

You mean there's some meaningful difference ?

[antisocialmunky]

One has a heriditary group of people to feed, one that I didn't know existed.

[Phalanx300]

Flemish Brabant (Vlaams Brabant for you probably :P) - Zemst

I always dislike to see those old provinces devided, I'm kind of hoping for the Netherlands and Flanders to join together, then we could have non devided provinces again. :idea2:

[Horatius Flaccus]

Bah, Flemish people in our mighty little country? :clown:

[Mediolanicus]

Wait, Belgium is a constitutional monarchy? I thought it was a republic '.'.

Yes, Belgium is a kingdom. A federal constitutional monarchy to be exact.

The communities and region do have a minister-president each. For Flanders this is Kris Peeters at the moment.

(Yes the Belgium structure of the state is unexplainable to foreigners... Though I can always try - it's my area of expertise after all.)

Maybe that's why you thought it was a republic.

Where going off topic, aren't we?


You mean there's some meaningful difference ?

Well, except for putting his autograph under federal laws.. not really...
Not since Leopold II bought his own little private playground which Belgium than had to take over after his death.


I always dislike to see those old provinces devided, I'm kind of hoping for the Netherlands and Flanders to join together, then we could have non devided provinces again. :idea2:

That would give the same problems as the current division in Belgium. Different history, different culture, even different language - although both are Dutch.


yep, definitely off topic...

[antisocialmunky]

So its basically a feudal structure with the Democracy Service Pack 2?

[Mediolanicus]

So its basically a feudal structure with the Democracy Service Pack 2?


No, because the communities and the regions aren't hierarchically under or above the federation

[Watchman]

So its basically a feudal structure with the Democracy Service Pack 2?*cough* Please re-read the definition of feudalism. PROTIP: incompatible with the Westphalian sovereign state.

[Tellos Athenaios]

There is no Feudal Structure in Belgium. Belgium is composed of 2 or 3 ("republics") which in turn make up the federation; much like the USA is comprised of fairly autonomous S-thingies, you know Utah, Wisconsin and the like. The monarchy is merely a decorative thing: a bit like if we are going to throw money away via a President who is bound to make a "favour" or two, why not do it legally ... and simply pay the clan an over-the-top salary and expense-claims?

[Mediolanicus]

There is no Feudal Structure in Belgium. Belgium is composed of 2 or 3 ("republics") which in turn make up the federation; much like the USA is comprised of fairly autonomous S-thingies, you know Utah, Wisconsin and the like.

Yeah, overly simplyfied, but that's the broad picture.

[antisocialmunky]

No, because the communities and the regions aren't hierarchically under or above the federation

Okay, I see. You learn something new everyday. You guys could have just said federation of republics. I thought you were talking about some sort of 3-4 tiered hierarchy of federal government that went down to the city level or something.:laugh4:

[Skullheadhq]

Okay, I see. You learn something new everyday. You guys could have just said federation of republics. I thought you were talking about some sort of 3-4 tiered hierarchy of federal government that went down to the city level or something.:laugh4:

Belgian system is extremely complex, don't try to uderstand it, since it won't exist anymore in 20 years or something

[Alsatia]

Belgian system is extremely complex, don't try to uderstand it, since it won't exist anymore in 20 years or something

Had a quick look at wikipedia. Seems similar to the system in Australia.

[Phalanx300]

That would give the same problems as the current division in Belgium. Different history, different culture, even different language - although both are Dutch.

Not really, we have a great shared History, culture and language. We are one people, mainly Frankish. :dizzy2:

And besides, our parts of Brabant and Liburg are basicly the same as Flanders and they do just fine, or better then fine. And the people of Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, they are Flemish and also no problems, things better then fine.

I always see the Netherlans as different Provinces united in one country. I don't really see it Dutch and Flemish. Rather: Hollandic, Frisian, Brabantic, Limburgic, Flemish etc.

I mean this map is pretty good proof of the Low Lands:

https://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3140/lagelanden.png (https://img10.imageshack.us/i/lagelanden.png/)

There is no clear devision between Northern and Southern, it actually goes combined.

I gues its a big dream to one day see all the Provinces united, how Willem van Oranje wanted it as well. :sweatdrop:

Edit: Its a picture from 14th century, so it definately goes back a long way.

[Moros]

Dude, never gonna happen. And were quite different too.

[WImPyTjeH]

Dude, never gonna happen. And were quite different too.
Seconded, we are very different, as is our history. We might have shared a decent amount of time together as a kingdom, county or wathever, but had lots of conflicts and differences over the history of time.

And I don't think our federal system will disappear in 20 years, it will probably be stalled for another 50 ones...

BTW, in real life, the conflict between the Walloons and the Flemish doesn't really exist, it mainly a political and geogaphical (Brussels) conflict.

[Horatius Flaccus]

Maybe we could unite our football leagues, Eredivisie and Jupiler League (I think it is called that in Belgium?) together would mean a great step up in quality.


We are going offtopic, right?

[Krusader]

Maybe we could unite our football leagues, Eredivisie and Jupiler League (I think it is called that in Belgium?) together would mean a great step up in quality.


We are going offtopic, right?

It did go 2 pages past or so. Actually contemplating if I should make a Dutch-Flemish Appreciation thread out of the OT posts :whip:

[antisocialmunky]

Map of Belgium


Wow, considering that Belgium is about the size of Delaware, USA. That's a butt-ton of divisions. :laugh4:

[Phalanx300]

Wow, considering that Belgium is about the size of Delaware, USA. That's a butt-ton of divisions. :laugh4:

Quite a lot yes. And its a map of the entire Lowlands, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg. I'm kindoff for a united Lowlands, I mean the Scottish have the Highlanders united, about time we did something similar. :dizzy2:


And to the Belgians, ofcourse we have our differences. Yet you are all easilly forgetting that those very same differences already exist in the Netherlands currently, I mean we have people with "Flemish" culture already living here and they are doing just fine.

Thats what you get when you unite Provinces/Nederlanden.

De Republiek der 7 Verenigde "Nederlanden".

Het Verenigd Koninkrijk Der "Nederlanden".

Just the word "Nederlanden" already shows unity, if a Wallonian province would have joined the Dutch Republic or a Flemish one would have joined it would still have been called De Republiek der "8" Verenigde Nederlanden. There is unity which goes back for ages, can't be overlooked.

[Skullheadhq]

Quite a lot yes. And its a map of the entire Lowlands, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg. I'm kindoff for a united Lowlands, I mean the Scottish have the Highlanders united, about time we did something similar. :dizzy2:


And to the Belgians, ofcourse we have our differences. Yet you are all easilly forgetting that those very same differences already exist in the Netherlands currently, I mean we have people with "Flemish" culture already living here and they are doing just fine.

Thats what you get when you unite Provinces/Nederlanden.

De Republiek der 7 Verenigde "Nederlanden".

Het Verenigd Koninkrijk Der "Nederlanden".

Just the word "Nederlanden" already shows unity, if a Wallonian province would have joined the Dutch Republic or a Flemish one would have joined it would still have been called De Republiek der "8" Verenigde Nederlanden. There is unity which goes back for ages, can't be overlooked.

I'm dutch and don't really care if belgium stays as it is, splits op or go to the Netherlands and France.
And of course, it's never going to happen that belgium joins the Netherlands, what about king Albert???

waarom zouden we die domme belgen er ook nog bij willen, we kunnen ze amper verstaan

[Phalanx300]

I'm dutch and don't really care if belgium stays as it is, splits op or go to the Netherlands and France.
And of course, it's never going to happen that belgium joins the Netherlands, what about king Albert???

waarom zouden we die domme belgen er ook nog bij willen, we kunnen ze amper verstaan

King Albert? He's a king of a fictional state, and most Flemish seem to dislike him and I don't figure we Dutch would want him either.

We kunnen die Brabanders en Limburgers ook amper verstaan en de Friesen ook en dan hebben we het nog niet over all die "Boeren" steden en dorpen die ook haast niet te verstaan zijn. :sweatdrop:

[Horatius Flaccus]

Hé, Limburgers zijn gewoon makkelijk te verstaan hoor! Arrogante Huilänjers :clown:

I'm all for an united Europe, in my opinion the only way to combat the growing power of the anti-America movement (led by Russia and China). This recession has also shown the lack of central government in the Europe.

[Phalanx300]

Hé, Limburgers zijn gewoon makkelijk te verstaan hoor! Arrogante Huilänjers :clown:

I'm all for an united Europe, in my opinion the only way to combat the growing power of the anti-America movement (led by Russia and China). This recession has also shown the lack of central government in the Europe.

Huilanjers? Wat is dan Nederlander? :clown:

United Europe? :inquisitive: Thats never going to work, and that would mean having no more say in our own country. :juggle2:

[Andres]

A thread about Belgium? And some of you are interested in the structure of our country :inquisitive:


In a nutshell. Yes, I know, this looks like a long post, but it's the shortest I can do.

Belgium is a federal country.

We have two types of federal entities: Regions (Gewesten; Régions) and Communities (Gemeenschappen; Communautés).
The regions are competent in a whole area of things, mainly economic stuff (painting with a very broad brush here); the communities are competent in whole area of stuff, mainly to do with language, culture, etc. (again: painting with a very broad brush). However, many competences that fall in those domains are still reserved for the Federal State.

So, we have: Federal State Belgium, Regions and Communities.

We have three regions (Gewesten, Régions):

- Vlaams Gewest (Flemish Region);
- Région Wallon (Walloon Region);
- Brussels Hoofdstedelijk Gewest/Région Bruxelles Capital (Brussels Region);


Then we have three communities (gemeenschappen, communautés):

- Vlaamse Gemeenschap (Flemish community);
- Communauté française (Francophone community);
- Duitse Gemeenschap (German community).


The territory of the Flemish Region and the Flemish Community is the same.
The territory of the Walloon Region is the same as the combined territory of the German and Walloon Community; so the "regional competences" of the German community are exercised by the Walloon Region.

"What about the "community competences" in the Brussels Region?" you ask. Those are not exercised by the Federal state. Instead, there are several "Community Commissions." When it comes to the Flemish community interests in Brussels, the competent body is the "Flemish Community Commission", when it comes to Francophone community interests in Brussels, the competent body is the "Francophone Community Commission". When it comes to bilingual matters, there's a "Combined Community Comission".


A cookie for those of you who aren't looking like this guy after reading this -> :freak:


In short: Belgium is the country of chocolate, fries and beer. We can safely assume that about 75 % of Belgian alcohol consumption can be attributed to those who have created the structure of our country ~:cheers:

Typical Belgian leader. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dguKikz7Ec) :smash:

[Horatius Flaccus]

Huilanjers? Wat is dan Nederlander? :clown:

Huilanjer (Hollander) gebruiken we in Limburg als een verzamelnaam voor diegene daar boven de grote rivieren. Het is eigenlijk een soort van scheldwoord. Nu lijkt het wel alsof ik een of andere nationalistische Limburger ben, maar in werkelijkheid spreek ik nog niet eens Limburg en ben ik juist een van de meest Pro-Hollandse Limburgers. Ik vind het gewoon af en toe leuk om net te doen alsof ik een trotse Limburger ben.

So nice to speak Dutch, way more simple to make my point.

What's wrong with having 'no more say' in our country? It's not like we have that now. I just want a system similar to that of the US. Yes, I'm even all for a 'two party system'.

[Alsatia]

The system there, as I have said before, is similar to the one here in Australia. I don't see why you Europeans are babbling and complaining. (except for two party majority, 8 states and countless councils...)

(Then again, i'm used to the system:beam:)

[athanaric]

Hé, Limburgers zijn gewoon makkelijk te verstaan hoor! Arrogante Huilänjers :clown:

I'm all for an united Europe, in my opinion the only way to combat the growing power of the anti-America movement (led by Russia and China). This recession has also shown the lack of central government in the Europe.

China and Russia aren't anti-American - they just want to be left alone. The anti-American movement is something else entirely - an international thing, which makes it even worse (harder to combat and more difficult to understand).


Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Belgium, as it were, should be divided into three parts: The Flemish region to the Netherlands, Wallonia to France, and the small rest to Germany. That way, we'd all have much less trouble.

[antisocialmunky]

China is not anti-american. They are ridiculously Ameri-phile. And Russia... well if ANYONE can figure out Russia well... good luck there.

Won't Belgium sink into the ocean along with the Netherlans when the icecaps melt anyways?

[scorion]

@Alsatia: To my understanding the Belgium political system is a whole lot different from the one in Australia. The nomer federal constitutional monarchy just indicates broad similarities when looking at how politics compare. If you want to have a more revealing perspective, you should first look at the electoral proces.

To use the same source as you have been using, I name one significant difference which makes coalition forming in the parliamentary elections in Belgium a lot more difficult: Like for example England Australia uses constituencies, which makes it a 'de facto' two-party democracy, whereas in Belgium voters choose their representatives nationwide. This results in a more plural democracy and with that there are a plenty more cultural cleavages in Belgium to make coalition forming even harder.

In order to determine to what extend the federal powers compare I would have to have a closer look at both the constitutions. My first intuition is that Belgiums constitution anchors the federal powers more strongly.


What's wrong with having 'no more say' in our country? It's not like we have that now. I just want a system similar to that of the US. Yes, I'm even all for a 'two party system'.

Ack.. you must not care about having any say at all then! :p
Any reason why you would want a political system like the US has?

I feel sorry for the Belgians.. especially now that on many fora people seem to propose to just dissolve the Belgian state in order to 'solve' it.

Do you guys think there's enough cohesion left in Belgium to counter the divisive forces and forge a new workable political coalition with enough majority to reform the state?

And does the bad performance of their football team have any role in this? :p

[scorion]

And Russia... well if ANYONE can figure out Russia well... good luck there.

Read Tolstoi! :) Not only has he written some of the heights of world literature, he also offers valuable insights in understanding Russia.

Since his time the picture has become a lot more complex though, with for example a legacy of stalinist forced migrations to bear. Russia is so much more diverse than what many people seem to realise.. even some Russians.

[Apraxiteles]

United Europe? :inquisitive: Thats never going to work, and that would mean having no more say in our own country. :juggle2:

People never unite because they want to, they unite because they need to. Something, or someone always has to force it. Just because there isn't such a force on Europe, or even the Netherlands, now doesn't mean there never will be. There have been before, after all. Isn't the game we all love simulating exactly that?

[satalexton]

I think I'm missing something here... Are we talking about Batacorii and Milnahts here?

[Horatius Flaccus]

If I say that Russia is anti-American, I actually mean that Russia is one of the leaders of the 'movement' against the US as a sole superpower. I think we have to stop that movement (or counter it), before THEY become the one superpower.


Ack.. you must not care about having any say at all then! :p
Any reason why you would want a political system like the US has?

Well, I wrote an whole essay about it in Dutch, it's a bit hard to translate it all in English. It all comes down to 'I want to have my opinion represented' versus 'I want to have the best for this country'.

[Skullheadhq]

If I say that Russia is anti-American, I actually mean that Russia is one of the leaders of the 'movement' against the US as a sole superpower. I think we have to stop that movement (or counter it), before THEY become the one superpower.



Well, I wrote an whole essay about it in Dutch, it's a bit hard to translate it all in English. It all comes down to 'I want to have my opinion represented' versus 'I want to have the best for this country'.

Well, we wouldn't want the Netherlands and Belgium to become a sort of Texas, now do we? :clown:

waarom zou anti-amerikanisme bevochten moeten worden? Wat is er mis mee?

[Phalanx300]

I think I'm missing something here... Are we talking about Batacorii and Milnahts here?

We are talking about a mix between those and the Chatii and they seem to think they are those while they are also Chatii. :inquisitive:

Dutch are mainly Frankish(Chatii), Saxon(partly Cimbri?) and Frisian(partly Chauci?). The local tribes like the Batavians before that integrated into these main ones.

And Belgians are mainly Frankish(Chatii) and Gallo/Germanic-Romans (Belgae).

Still breathing? :skull:



People never unite because they want to, they unite because they need to. Something, or someone always has to force it. Just because there isn't such a force on Europe, or even the Netherlands, now doesn't mean there never will be. There have been before, after all. Isn't the game we all love simulating exactly that?

Wrong, they want to unite because they need to do it :clown:.

[Moros]

Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Belgium, as it were, should be divided into three parts: The Flemish region to the Netherlands, Wallonia to France, and the small rest to Germany. That way, we'd all have much less trouble.
Well if you put it that way. Yes we the Belgians one of the biggest financial contributers (especially when comparing size) to the EU. One of the creators of the EU and its earlier forms. A peacefull country. Yes you're right we're indeed a problem to everyone and the world. Now you put it that way, please do steal and divide up my country. I'm sorry for the trouble. :wall:

Also I'm afraid we're getting a bit backroomish...

[athanaric]

Well if you put it that way. Yes we the Belgians one of the biggest financial contributers (especially when comparing size) to the EU. One of the creators of the EU and its earlier forms. A peacefull country. Yes you're right we're indeed a problem to everyone and the world. Now you put it that way, please do steal and divide up my country. I'm sorry for the trouble. :wall:

Also I'm afraid we're getting a bit backroomish...


Geez Moros, you shouldn't take that too seriously. Anyway, I wasn't talking about any unwarranted Belgian aggression (not in real life, that is; this rebel army that just popped up in my ongoing campaign, composed of nothing but Milnaht, Remi horsemen and Batacorii, OTOH, is very annoying...).

[Skoran]

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Wait what? You live like 10 km from my place. Im from Gellik :D.
And you're helping to develop EB II?

[machinor]

OMFG!! You live practically next to a celebrity!!! :beam:

[satalexton]

so.... am i to assume that Moros usually tatoo himself with woad, and uses a large Thueros and a high-lethality longsword?

[Phalanx300]

so.... am i to assume that Moros usually tatoo himself with woad, and uses a large Thueros and a high-lethality longsword?

Depends, if he is Flemish he is more likely to have wild hair growing, a large Thureos and a spear, and this necklace he can't remove as long as he hasn't killed anyone, the same with this oversized beard. :dizzy2:

If he's Wallonian, then you're most likely right.

[satalexton]

:clown: then where are teh remi horsemen?

:balloon3: Moros, i give you that balloon if you legitimately remove that necklace of yours :clown:

[athanaric]

:clown: then where are teh remi horsemen?


I don't know; were the Remi even "Belgian"? I was always under the impression that they were a Gallic tribe but then again I don't really have a clue how to seperate "Gallic" from "Belgian". Assuming that is a legitimate distinction.

[Moros]

I don't know; were the Remi even "Belgian"? I was always under the impression that they were a Gallic tribe but then again I don't really have a clue how to seperate "Gallic" from "Belgian". Assuming that is a legitimate distinction.
The Remi were either very Gallic influenced Belgae or Belgae influenced Gauls.


Depends, if he is Flemish he is more likely to have wild hair growing, a large Thureos and a spear, and this necklace he can't remove as long as he hasn't killed anyone, the same with this oversized beard.
Actually I do have long hair and a beard...But I'm just a pesky yet effective slinger. :no:


Wait what? You live like 10 km from my place. Im from Gellik :D.
And you're helping to develop EB II?
You know Adherbal? A famous modeller/skinner who worked for EBI, Chivalry tw, NtwII and many more mods? He's from Hasselt. And yes I'm an EB member.



OMFG!! You live practically next to a celebrity!!!:beam:
Gah!?

[Hanoeman]

I always thought Flanders was a rebellious Dutch province. I don't know if they should split up, join other countries or just go on like this. All I know is that nationalism once again proves its worth. Here's a little sidetracker to make things even more complicated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_Moresnet

[Phalanx300]

Actually I do have long hair and a beard...But I'm just a pesky yet effective slinger. :no:

You're a part of a reenactment group? Or do you just have slingering as a hobby? Seem like deadly weapons to me, especially if I see how hard some can trow without the slinger.



I always thought Flanders was a rebellious Dutch province. I don't know if they should split up, join other countries or just go on like this. All I know is that nationalism once again proves its worth. Here's a little sidetracker to make things even more complicated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_Moresnet

The Low Lands consists of Nederlanden/Provinces, once they were almost all united but Belgium rebelled and we got a northern and southern Lowlandic devision again. The Low Lands basicly go from East-Frisia in Germany to Artois in France.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think it is a reference to the proverbial poverty of students.

[Moros]

You're a part of a reenactment group? Or do you just have slingering as a hobby? Seem like deadly weapons to me, especially if I see how hard some can trow without the slinger.




The Low Lands consists of Nederlanden/Provinces, once they were almost all united but Belgium rebelled and we got a northern and southern Lowlandic devision again. The Low Lands basicly go from East-Frisia in Germany to Artois in France.

Technically you guys rebelled first... Now return Maastricht! :laugh4:

[antisocialmunky]

http://vrstudio.buffalo.edu/~depape/warming/europeMap.jpg

Like I said, going to sink into the sea. You should start building on stilts.

[Phalanx300]

Technically you guys rebelled first... Now return Maastricht! :laugh4:

I gues we did, but we didn't rebel against our countrymen, well sortoff:inquisitive:. And you Limburgers may have Maastricht.. if you join us:clown:, then there would probably be a united Limburg.




Like I said, going to sink into the sea. You should start building on stilts.

Anti that map is too extreme, only 1/2 of the Netherlands would be run over, or as we say in Amersfoort... Amersfoort at sea :clown:.

And you should see our Duinen en Dijken, no way they will give up just look at the size of those things!

We are the destroyers of seas! This Afsluitdijk of ours killed of the South Sea.

http://placemarketing.nl/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/afsluitdijk.jpg

[Horatius Flaccus]

Technically you guys rebelled first... Now return Maastricht! :laugh4:

Technically you rebelled along woth us, but weren't strong enough :clown:

Maybe we should just start a new country (Limburg) with Maastricht as capital?

[scorion]

Good luck :laugh4:

[Skullheadhq]

Limburg as country, may I then be the Lord and King of Limburgse vlaaien?

[Knight of Heaven]

Weird, I usually see more people asking things like: "Belgium... isn't that a city in France? Or isn't that the capital of Brussels" when I speak about it :inquisitive::grin:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Nooo the capital of brussels is Luxemburg... :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :inquisitive:
:laugh4::laugh4:

Maybe i was talking of belgix not belgium. :)

Im joking :juggle2: yes belgium chocolates are very good :) and tintin is from belgium :)

[tarem]

a Belgium fan topic? can i have some blue labeled Chimay ale forwarded down here? the best beer i've EVER tasted :2thumbsup:

[mountaingoat]

Well, it'll be the nineteenth century for me. One of Napoleon's
marshals. The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general
of all time and kill Belgians. Marvellous.

https://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9747/rimmer1.jpg

[Phalanx300]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2MjmIVK4U4

Not sure whether all the woad is accurate for the Belgae though.

[Fluvius Camillus]

I think our first step would be to annex Baarle Nassau~D

No but on a more serious note. Joining Holland will mean that you will profit, shared Westerschelde, profit for Antwerp. Also no more money drained by Wallonia.:yes:

~Fluvius

[Moros]

don't you get why we aren't seperated yet? We need Wallonia for when the icepoles melt.

[Skullheadhq]

I'd rather drown then move to Wallonia :juggle2:

[Horatius Flaccus]

Pff, I'm save. And Limburg will then be a coast province!

[Moros]

Pff, I'm save. And Limburg will then be a coast province!

I'll open a bar at the sea.

[Fluvius Camillus]

HAH! I live in the dutch "gemeente" wieringen, a former island. We are SAFE! Zoom in into rising waterlevels at north holland, check the northeastern "gemeente" near the afsluitdijk, thats where I live~D

Edit: Never mind, the flood maps I find are unrealistic and show us sinking at even the slightest flood:no:

Check this old map, look at that island in the south, it is now fully connected to the mainland but still has elevated ground!~D I live there.

http://www.prenten.net/image/groot/44/Map_of_Northern-Holland_and_a_large_part_of_the_old_Southern-Sea_(IJsselmeer_now).jpg

Also you guys know why we lost Luxembourg right? An old tradional law which prevented a queen from ruling, a law they erased soon after their independence...

~Fluvius

[KARTLOS]

so when is your country going to split up?

can you give an insight into the stereotypes for the walloons and flemish.

which one of you is lazy?

[Hax]

Walloons are lazy.

Flemish are dumb.

According to the Dutch. Moros has proven the opposite :bow:

[Arkhis]

so when is your country going to split up?

Who knows?


can you give an insight into the stereotypes for the walloons and flemish.

When you think up most of the stereotypes around, you realise they're applicable to all Belgians anyway. We're all very much alike, far more then some would have us believe. Besides, the (only) "problem-area" is around Brussels, which is inhabited mostly by Francophone Flemish people, not Walloons.

What I dislike most about them all is the strong parochialism in the country, which I think is a problem.


which one of you is lazy?

I know I am, but I never felt either Belgian or Flemish at all.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Who knows?



When you think up most of the stereotypes around, you realise they're applicable to all Belgians anyway. We're all very much alike, far more then some would have us believe. Besides, the (only) "problem-area" is around Brussels, which is inhabited mostly by Francophone Flemish people, not Walloons.

What I dislike most about them all is the strong parochialism in the country, which I think is a problem.



I know I am, but I never felt either Belgian or Flemish at all.

~30 years ago Northern France against the Belgian border also counted a lot of dutch speakers. Sadly, this is not teached at school and when the final generations pass away the language will die out there.

~Fluvius

[KARTLOS]

well dunkirk was a dutch city wasnt it?

[Phalanx300]

Yes, Duinkerken.

Just search for West Flanders, occupied by the French and the Dutch Speakers don't have any protection of their language. Actually, the whole northern French part which shares border to Belgian were actually Netherlands. Those French have some imperialistic ideas with the Low Countries. :dizzy2:

[Khorak]

Well if you put it that way. Yes we the Belgians one of the biggest financial contributers (especially when comparing size) to the EU. One of the creators of the EU and its earlier forms. A peacefull country. Yes you're right we're indeed a problem to everyone and the world. Now you put it that way, please do steal and divide up my country. I'm sorry for the trouble. :wall:

In the very least you should give the Ardennes to Germany. Save yourselves the trouble for the inevitable third attempt.

[Ludens]

In the very least you should give the Ardennes to Germany. Save yourselves the trouble for the inevitable third attempt.

As Moros pointed out in the (four months old) post you quoted, this is getting rather Backroomish. Don't turn this topic into nationality/ethnicity bashing.

[Khorak]

As Moros pointed out in the (four months old) post you quoted, this is getting rather Backroomish. Don't turn this topic into nationality/ethnicity bashing.

I see. An entire page of posts within the past few days of dubiously 'backroomish' talk, and a joke lampooning the idea of partitioning Belgium on a ludicrous basis of 'solving the problem of Belgium' is what's truly objectionable.

[Ludens]

My comment wasn't directed just at you. I beg your pardon if that was the impression I created.