Would you like a full add-on for STW...

[Ktonos]

What about it?

[fenir]

Thank you Kouropalates Ktonos



fenir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Curious, #2 is rather pointed, is it your view that an "Add-On" for STW would result in no Add-On for MTW; or that anyone suggests that a Add-On for for MTW should not be?

In any event, its good to see you take your own initiative to meet your satisfaction.

[I love the smell of Canibus in the morning, but sometimes the paranoa stays with you all day. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ]

Why is there no "Yes", I don't care about MTW" vote? Are you trying to manipulate things? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[FesterShinetop]

As I don't even have STW I'd rather have an add-on for MTW...

But of course I could also have opted for #2...

[solypsist]

STW add-on? moved to the Dojo

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[Ktonos]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 11 2002,01:51)]Curious, #2 is rather pointed, is it your view that an "Add-On" for STW would result in no Add-On for MTW; or that anyone suggests that a Add-On for for MTW should not be?

In any event, its good to see you take your own initiative to meet your satisfaction.

[I love the smell of Canibus in the morning, but sometimes the paranoa stays with you all day. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ]

Why is there no "Yes", I don't care about MTW" vote? Are you trying to manipulate things? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
No, just satirising your own poll...

[dragonchi]

I would have voted a major add on pack for shogun and at the expense of an add on pack for MTW. I just find the medieval theme boring and the online aspects totally spac .... but thats just my opinion[B] http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

A total overhal of Shogun is my vote. But since this is not a vote option....I have not voted.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Lets go Shogun I want a Shogun Add-On bringing all the medieval features over to Shoggy, maybe make it one of those ones where you don't need any previous Shoggy games to work it, like the new Cossacks add-on.

[TenkiSoratoti]

hmmmm dunno addon for mtw i say

[TosaInu]

STW.

But to be realistic, it wouldn't be good if CA did that. How many copies would they sell? 10? That's a sure ticket to bankruptcy. Let's hope that the x-pack would make modding even easier and improves the code a bit more for low-end machines (the ones that could run STW). Not sure whether it would help in terms of speed, but two seperate exes, one for MP and one for SP (like other modern games do: RTCW, SOF) would allow to optimise either without compromizing the other.

Let's hope that we can add the STW unit bifs (add custom folders), or that they are already included by default. And that just swapping stats would allow to load the one or the other.

For those that didn't notice, there are 3 era's in MTW. Removing one of the three startpos files leaves only 2. The opposite could be true as well. Add more 'startpos' files and get more available periods. This would allow the users to add new era's and new universes. Fantasy, Indian, ancient, Japan, Napoleonistic. The game would be self suporting to an extent.

But CA could earn money with it too. More options, more gamers, more copies sold. CA could also improve the engine and create a new (example)game around that. Recall mobile siege engines? CA could make WW1.totalwar where it's possible to add tanks with tankcrew. Fans could use that new engine functionality to make mobile canons. The same thing happens again: you may not be happy with WW1.totalwar, but you'll need a copy to play the new Napoleonistic mod.

You could think of one foyer where 'Romans', 'Japs', 'privates' and 'vikings' meet each other, but each does his own thing. When you meet a friend and want to play with him you could if you have the same mod installed along with your usual stuff. No statswapping, that's automatically done by the game. So a 'viking' can find himself to be a roman centurion, if he wants so.

This is only one example of what could be done.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Good point remember company's generally do things for the money not the community *gamespy cough cough*

[TosaInu]

Remember that companies need money to do things.

I'ld think that there are better ways to make money than producing a game that appeases only a small % of gamers.

[youssof_Toda]

I miss the option: I don't care about MTW jst give me the add-on for STW

[Shahed]

Greetings Fellow Warriors http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I regret to say that STW (specially) & MTW will eventually be marked to the best games ever hall of fame & to the gaming milestones hall of fame.

Time marches on.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ Dec. 14 2002,09:00)]STW.

But to be realistic, it wouldn't be good if CA did that. How many copies would they sell? 10? That's a sure ticket to bankruptcy. .
Tosa,

I'm completely and absolutely shocked to here such comments from a person of such esteem. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

That's an absolutely ridiculous point of view How do you justify it?

Question, how many copies of Shogun:TW did they sellll??

Shogun:TW was Strategy Game of The Year, and won a host of accolades

If Shogun:TW did not have the popularity and success that it did, THERE WOULD NOT BE MTW

"How many copies would they sell?" 10. Preposterous

Anyone wonder why they chose a Japanese Feudal era to begin with? They could have started with Medeival

I wonder was Shogun:MI successful? How many copies did they sell? 10. I recall you people salavating at the prospect of MI

This freaking forum was made on the back of Shogun

Besides if your going to talk "business", then you should really be more of a business mind.

A business mind wouldn't ask how many copies would it sell, but what would be my costs and what would be my "approximate" profit margin. One could then choose an appropriate price point and make a determination upon the probable number of units to be sold.

Presuming, that MTW is profitable, and the development costs have been recovered, then bringing MTW features to STW would NOT incur any further "development" investment; and as a consequence, costs would be rather low and the margin for profit quite high. Allowing for a good bit of price maneuvering to effect sales.

A legitmate premises, based upon the above assumptions, would likely result in substantial profits at a third of Shogun:TW sales.

I would also, hope that the "downsizing" of packaging has resulted in lower costs, and consequently, lower "Product Placement" costs, as well.

In summation, what you have is, the costs of (for want of a better term) porting MTW to STW, Manufacturing, (possible) reduced costs of Packaging and Product Placement, in addition to Marketing. Now, if they choose to throw a few development dollars to "enhance" the port simply to create Marketing "hype" so be it.

IMO, it would be dopey not to pick up this easy money. The only question would be where to place its release, within their current release schedule, considering Viking Invaision and Rome, so that the "new" Shogun won't eat into sales of those two releases.

Thinking on it, I'm sure they'll do a new Shogun, but probably not until they complete the new Engine(s) for Rome and after its release.

Thinking on it further, I wonder if Rome will have TWO new engines for both the Tactical and Strategic. From the German article it would seem just a new Tactical engine.

So, perhaps the new Shogun will add a new Strategic engine and hopefully Campaign Multiplay, say Spring, 2004. Coming full circle with a completely new Total War--revisiting and improving the original.

ToranagaSama, has spoken http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa ToranagaSama,

I humbly apologize for shocking you. We're talking about a short period from now. The topic question is: Would you like a full add-on for STW..., ....in expence of an dd-on for MTW?

My answer to that is that it's not likely that many people will buy/appreciate it. MTW is the hot game now. Too early to go 'retro'.

The other point is: would we like CA to invest time -they'll have to, even if they don't have to do development- in making a 'skin' for MTW to make it look like STW (and hope it sells to make the investment profitable->future viability->continious development of the series) or do we want them to make an expansion pack for MTW, and have them add options to it (time/resources that would otherwise be spend on the re-skining)?

Let's assume that they have a budget of $10,000. Porting MTW to STW will take a part of that budget (I will place a bet on reviews like: 'a cheap moneymaker').

An MTW expansion wouldn't need a (full) re skin. More/all money is left from the $10,000 to invest in product improvements.

If you compare STW to STW WE, then you'll undoubtly see that modding abilities are improved in the latter. Compare MTW to STW WE and you'll see that MTW is much better (modding wise).

It is already (partly) possible to do the skinning ourselves -freeware, but there's also an extra chance for CA to get more profits from our modding/skinning activitities:
-people like to create (reason to buy the game)
-more mods (ways to play the game) attract more customers. You'll need a legal copy to play the mods.
- but the skining could/should be more powerful.

The reason that I said what I said is not because STW (WE/MI) didn't sell or was a bad game (I don't know the numbers) but because I like to see CA invest the time and resources in improving the engine, adding more (and working) features and open the modding abilities even more.

If you ask me whether STW WE/MI's successor should have been another STW instead of MTW: on a personal level, yes please. I don't have an idea how the other customers feel about it though. And if the majority prefer European over Japanese, does the extra selling justify the cost of making new art? Shouldn't there be new art anyway? I guess that the majority of customers get bored with the excisting and want something new (or are we 'told' that we want that?). After some years the same majority 'feels' that it's cool to have a remake (or/and is it the marketing that manages to convince the majority it is?).

Edit: disabled unintended smiley.

[dragonchi]

Toranagasama ........ what did you eat for breakfast on new years eve ..... or what where you taking ??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[InsaneFox]

stw rules mtw blows

[Knight_Yellow]

sadly stw was a vry good game but it is past its sell by date mtw is the now and when rtw cums out mtw will be past its sell by date its the way things are.

im opinion medieval is a far better game.

more units larger map lotsa factions.