Broken Crescent Hotseat - Wrath of the Khan

[phonicsmonkey]

https://i43.tinypic.com/2a9oc5d.jpg

The Mongols are the winners! Congratulations SilverShield and TheLemongate before him.

This is the main game thread for the hotseat game Broken Crescent: Wrath of the Khan, the sequel to and continuation of the award-winning game Broken Crescent: Commanders of the Faithful (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=99702).

The game also involves the following additional threads:
Yurt of the Khan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121164) - IC diplomacy thread
Legends of the Khan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121165) - story thread

Starting map:

https://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww333/CocaColaRevolution/BCFinal-SeljukVictory-1.jpg

Players (Colours indicate map key):

This is the turn order - please upload (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=29005) your save as "BCWotK-twodigitturnnumber-twodigitnextplayernumber.zip"

AI. Eastern Roman Empire
AI. Georgian Exiles - RIP, Turn 3
AI. The Kingdom of Jerusalem - RIP, Turn 2
1. The Caliphate----------- phonicsmonkey
2. The Great Sweljuks -------------- barcamartin
3. The Sultanate of GhaZim --------- Zim
4. The Solanki Rajputs ------------ Ramses II CP
5. Caliphate Mamluks ---------- Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak
AI. The Kypchak Confederacy
AI. The Imamate of Oman and Arabia - RIP, Turn 7
6. The Mongols --------- The Lemongate




Victory Conditions:
Mongols:
- Take and hold 25 provinces
- Sack three of the following cities: Ghazni, Rayy, Delhi, Baghdad, Cairo (NB. These don't have to be held, they can be captured once, sacked and abandoned)

Non-Mongols:
- Outlast the Mongols
- Take and hold 15 provinces from Non-Mongol, human-controlled factions.

Rules:
- We will be playing version 1.05 with hotfixes (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142288), admin-enabled to allow me to access the saved games of missing players and to switch factions between player and AI control. This version of the mod is compatible with M2TW 1.2, 1.3 or Kingdoms, and installs in a separate folder so does not affect the vanilla installation.

- No spies allowed to enter cities or castles.

- No assassins to be used.

- Each turn should be completed within 48 hours. Extensions can be granted in extenuating circumstances, at the discretion of the GM. After 48 hours with no contact from a player the GM will arrange for the turn to be subbed either by a sub designated by the player, or a neutral third-party sub, or a faction allied to that player, or by the GM in that order of preference.

- All battles, including those between player-controlled factions, may be fought by the attacking player (against the VH AI), or auto-resolved.

- Please send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn.

- Players are requested to compete in good faith and with a sporting spirit at all times.

- No exploits. The following exploits are banned. This list is not exhaustive, and in considering a course of action the player concerned should have regard for the rule regarding sportsmanlike conduct. If there is any doubt about exactly what actions these exploits involve, or whether a given action which is not specifically banned would constitute an exploit, please seek guidance from the GM or other players before completing the relevant turn.

- Re-loading of save game to play the turn again in a different way, or to create a different outcome.
- Merchant fort exploit.
- Surround and destroy exploit (relating to agents, also to armies or ships engaged in battle. An escape route of at least one tile must be left.)
- Deliberately setting up tribute deals which will result in a faction going more than 20k in debt.
- Deliberately exchanging territories for the sole purpose of gaining a free garrison.
- Deliberate manipulation of the diplomacy system in order to break a siege, or achieve any other unrealistic in-game outcome.


The Story:

- The Fourth Caliphate had hardly been formed when the news came from the far east that a horde of eastern marauders had been sighted in the deserts of Khwarezm.

- The worst fears of all were confirmed when the invaders attacked and massacred (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2347898&viewfull=1#post2347898) the Seljuk city of Samarqand, beginning a war with the nations of the Fourth Caliphate and the Indian Rajput Princes.

- The initial wave of Mongol Invaders pushed into Ghazni lands, meeting little resistance (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2354635&viewfull=1#post2354635) as they conquered first the plains, and then the mountains of Afghanistan. The Shah was slain at Firuzkh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121164-Yurt-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-IC-thread&p=2361373&viewfull=1#post2361373) and his capital, the fortress of Ghazni itself fell to the invaders provoking much sorrow in the lands of the faithful.

- So successful and swift was the Mongol advance that the Rajput Princes sued for peace with the invader, becoming their vassal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121164-Yurt-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-IC-thread&p=2373658&viewfull=1#post2373658) and an enemy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121164-Yurt-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-IC-thread&p=2377736&viewfull=1#post2377736) of the nations of the Fourth Caliphate.

- Then began the second stage of the conflict, where the Mongols divided their forces into two arms. One arm was sent around the Caspian Sea to strike at Seljuk-held Georgia and Azerbaijan, while the other assaulted the Seljuk front door at Merv.

- Meanwhile the nations of the Fourth Caliphate began an extensive recruitment and fortification drive, securing their lands against attack.

- The Rajput princes invaded Ghazni from the east, pushing as far as Zanji and Saravan but leaving the capital Gwadar in the hands of the Ghaznavids.

- The Seljuks heroically held out against the Mongol advance in Georgia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2434815&viewfull=1#post2434815), finally defeating the invading force after many battles and the loss of thousands of lives.

- The Mongols were more successful in their frontal push, taking Merv and advancing as far as Nishapur.

- The city of Birjand, strategically placed between the Seljuk and Caliphate lands to the west, the Mongol-held north and the Rajput-held former Ghazni lands, became the focal point for a fierce series (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2424676&viewfull=1#post2424676) of confrontations (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2427547&viewfull=1#post2427547) between the invaders and the Fourth Caliphate forces.

- With Birjand re-taken (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2434029&viewfull=1#post2434029) and the Northern passage secure, the Caliph’s armies began a counter-offensive in Rajput-held Ghazni, retaking Zanji and Saravan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2429862&viewfull=1#post2429862) and winning success after success as they pushed the front back past Turbat to the mountains of the Hindu Kush west of the city of Quetta.

- With the Mongols having received reinforcements from the east and their troops massing at Nishapur, the Seljuks make a fateful decision which leads (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2465770&viewfull=1#post2465770) to the Battle of Atrak River (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2466747&viewfull=1#post2466747) and the now-legendary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2468658&viewfull=1#post2468658) death of the Six Atabegs, who take their place in the annals of Islamic history as heroes and martyrs to the ummah.

- This reversal, albeit minor for the Mongols, provokes a change of strategy and the invading hordes pause in their advance while they wait for a further wave of reinforcements.

- The peace does not last long and soon the Mongols have advanced again, this time in concert with the Rajputs who reinvade (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2480601&viewfull=1#post2480601) the lands of Ghazni.

- Soon all that had been gained by the Caliphate counter-offensive has been lost once more, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2495895&viewfull=1#post2495895) with Zanji and Saravan, Turbat, Bam, Birjand, Kerman and Yazd, Hormuz and Chabahar falling to the invaders who have now pushed all the way to the Persian Gulf.

- A period of stalemate follows, with the opposing forces manouevring and each trying to find an advantageous point at which to attack, feint and counter-feint across a vast fortified front which stretches from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf, protecting the Caliphate heartlands of Rayy and Baghdad from the invader.

- Finally, the Mongols and their Rajput vassals are able to break through and in a series of battles (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2529524&viewfull=1#post2529524) the Caliphate forces are catastrophically defeated, leaving the path open for the invader to strike the final blow.

- Caliph Suleyman dies of old age (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2529524&viewfull=1#post2529524) and his uncle Al-Qahir, acting as regent for the under-age new Caliph, surrenders to the Mongols (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121165-Legends-of-the-Khan-BC-Hotseat-story-thread&p=2053199686&viewfull=1#post2053199686), ending the war and with it the Fourth Caliphate of Islam.

[Quirl]

Current Caliphate Mamluk Standings: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2325195#post2325195)

[phonicsmonkey]

Since I'm here, what does "outlast the Mongols" exactly specify? Are they to be defeated before anyone besides Lemon can win?

Yes, that was the intention.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, here's the save for Ghazni (http://www.mediafire.com/?3w4kzmyz1j2).

And we're off!

The Mongols haven't arrived yet, they're still in the desert somewhere north of Samarqand.

The game will bring them in random number of turns between three and five - so I need a heads-up from Ghazni when they are spotted so I can intervene for some GM admin.

[The Lemongate]

Are the Romans set to human still?

Because I intend to build up my oasis while while the war rages on.

[Quirl]

Are the Romans set to human still?

Because I intend to build up my oasis while while the war rages on.

I'm going to tell you right now, Lemon, that I'm taking that Oasis...

... I didn't even know it was possible to take that territory. lol. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

Are the Romans set to human still?

Because I intend to build up my oasis while while the war rages on.

They are, but I put them down as AI in the list because they are non-combatants.

If they start to get too involved in world affairs I might have to AI them - you can't have two factions, it isn't fair on the rest of us...

[Quirl]

They are, but I put them down as AI in the list because they are non-combatants.

If they start to get too involved in world affairs I might have to AI them - you can't have two factions, it isn't fair on the rest of us...

And if they aren't going to be involved in world affairs and Lemon just wants to keep them for his own RP purposes (which I would totally understand... you really get attached your factions :cry:) I don't have to take that Oasis, Lemon. I just wanted to control all of Africa is all. :clown:

Let me know!

[phonicsmonkey]

And if they aren't going to be involved in world affairs and Lemon just wants to keep them for his own RP purposes (which I would totally understand... you really get attached your factions :cry:) I don't have to take that Oasis, Lemon. I just wanted to control all of Africa is all. :clown:

Let me know!

That's very kind of you Quirl - yes, Lemon was just going to play with his Romans to keep in touch with them, make sure they were going ok etc. He didn't want the AI to destroy them.

[The Lemongate]

The idea was to keep the AI from doing suicidal raids with the remaining Roman forces. I'll just have them sit in Siwa and Iraklion.

Of course, If you absolutely want a showdown in Siwa, be my guest. You'll need over 10 ships and at least one full stack and some spies. I still have a few boys you know.

But I think it's better to just have them sit quietly in their corner and build their own little oasis.

[Zim]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4973

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2mgymjny2tz/BCWoTK01-03.zip

I've more or less just carried on with my attack on the Omanis like my nation hasn't a clue what's to come... I'll try to get something up for the other threads sometime soon. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Rome's up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3y3kodglnyi

[The Lemongate]

That will now be "Crete is up" as the faction has been officially renamed the Despotate of Crete.

Also, all cities still in my possession that you will get barca have had their names changed to simplified turkic (as well as I could do it...)

And it's the Caliphate's turn! (http://rapidshare.com/files/273280148/BCWoTK02-02.sav.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

I for one welcome Our Seljuk Overlords (http://www.mediafire.com/?mmin2nje25w)

[barcamartin]

So, before I do my turn, have we been warned that the Mongols are approaching? Or are all factions happily unknowing?

[phonicsmonkey]

So, before I do my turn, have we been warned that the Mongols are approaching? Or are all factions happily unknowing?

When I tested the game, I got a few pop-up messages at the beginning of the turn talking about the Mongol Khan and his advance from Mongolia along the silk road, and his war on the Kara Khitai Khanate. The last pop-up message was about the Governor of Samarqand killing the Khan's diplomats.

So, my feeling is we know the Khan is approaching and believe he means to take reprisals against Samarqand.

For the backstory to the IC thread I decided that our Caliph and Sultan would send a delegation of diplomats from the 5 nations to reason with the Khan - these guys have been captured and imprisoned in his Yurt.

My Caliph is raising an army or two just in case this Mongol horde manages to get past his Ghaznavid allies - but he's not too concerned, after all we just beat the might of the Roman Empire!

How bad can a bunch of straggly horse-nomads be after that?! :laugh4:

[The Lemongate]

Anyways, my Mongols are gonna be total hippies. Ya know, peace, love, weed and everything. War, what is it good for? Ugh! Absolutely NOTHING! YEAH!

The Khan will spread the love. Don't worry :clown:

[Quirl]

Anyways, my Mongols are gonna be total hippies. Ya know, peace, love, weed and everything.

So that's what you'll be growing in your farms. :laugh4:

[barcamartin]

My nation is now acting as if the west is secured, a cease-fire is in place with the Romans (offered to them this turn, in return for all but Siwa and Iraklion) and a new threat, although undefined, is appraoching from the far east and threatening mainly our allies.

Ghazni up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zf1cdnf3nwj

[Zim]

Rajputs are up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4983

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tj5ykzoulmn/BCWoTK02-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Crete's up.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?q5jhm4mkdmy

So, when I clicked end turn I expected to see the Mongols. How is this working again? We skipped ahead, right?

[phonicsmonkey]

Crete's up.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?q5jhm4mkdmy

So, when I clicked end turn I expected to see the Mongols. How is this working again? We skipped ahead, right?

They will appear a random number of turns, between 2 and 5, from the first turn of this game.

Zim will spot them on his turn, at which point he'll tell me they've arrived and I'll switch them to human control.

In fact you'll eventually see Oman, because we can't save the game on the mongol turn. Lemon will have to switch Oman to AI and back to human each turn in order to play his mongol turn.

This is because I didn't set the mongols to 'playable' waaaay back in Feb'08 when this game started.

[Quirl]

Oh, I see. Well, I guess that means we can't completely destroy Oman then. If it comes to that point (because my faction is currently sweeping down West Arabia) I'll send my navies to capture Suqutra and give it to the Omanis. I doubt anyone will really miss that little dinky island anyways; or am I wrong? We'll see when we get there I guess...

... which reminds me, the KOJ is officially destroyed. What an exhilarating game its been with them. The Mongols will have some big, evil shoes to fill. :laugh4:

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh, I see. Well, I guess that means we can't completely destroy Oman then.

Nah, go ahead - we can just use the Kypchaks instead. As long as one of those two stick around, no problem..

I think you might have a fight on your hands with Zim over Suqutra - for some reason he has an obsession with that little island.

[Quirl]

I think you might have a fight on your hands with Zim over Suqutra - for some reason he has an obsession with that little island.

Ha ha! Really? Well, I'm just the lowly slave faction. He's certainly welcome to the Island if he wants it. Though, maybe in another hotseat I'd be willing to wage a long and bloody war over Suqutra-- just to confuse the historians. :laugh4:

[The Lemongate]

Nah, go ahead - we can just use the Kypchaks instead. As long as one of those two stick around, no problem..

Oh... the Roman remnants, armed with their dreaded catapults, are en-route to the steppes to suckle cash out of those stinking horse archers. I'll try to leave them alive while I rampage their lands (to which barca or anyone else is welcome once I'm done looting anything of worth up there).

And it's the Caliphate's turn! (http://rapidshare.com/files/274974493/BCWoTK02-02.sav.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh... the Roman remnants, armed with their dreaded catapults, are en-route to the steppes to suckle cash out of those stinking horse archers. I'll try to leave them alive while I rampage their lands (to which barca or anyone else is welcome once I'm done looting anything of worth up there).

And it's the Caliphate's turn! (http://rapidshare.com/files/274974493/BCWoTK02-02.sav.html)

hey bud, that's the wrong file, the one from last turn

can you give me the third turn save please? :laugh4:

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?qzmbtkhngkm)

I have no idea how I'm gonna fight these Mongols, I can't recruit anything worth a damn

[Quirl]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?qzmbtkhngkm)

I have no idea how I'm gonna fight these Mongols, I can't recruit anything worth a damn

lol. At least you got Catapults. I think I'm in the same boat as Ramses on that little dilemma. I should have the ability to produce those babies in about... oh... say... 7-10 turns. ~:doh:

[The Lemongate]

No offense meant to all our delusions of the almighty power of the Mongols, but they won't reach you before a good 12 to 14 turns if nothing slows them down Quirl. And that would be their units without trebuchets. So I guess you're pretty safe on that angle. And as a bonus you've got the inspiration of Ain Jalut to keep your spirits high!

[barcamartin]

A castle above castle level, anyone? PLEASE! I PAY GOOD! ;)

Anyway, Ghazni up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bgnnyagmoi3

[The Lemongate]

Pretty sure Urgench would fit the bill. Safely positioned on the edge to nowhere. What could happen?

[Zim]

Now I don't feel so bad about my own military infrastructure. I'm starting to get my elite troops...not that they'll do me much good.

Rajputs are up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4999

[The Lemongate]

Ooooooh yes! Khan is coming for you! (http://www.rathergood.com/genghis_khan)

PS: Not for the faint of heart.

[Quirl]

Ooooooh yes! Khan is coming for you! (http://www.rathergood.com/genghis_khan)

PS: Not for the faint of heart.

... we are all going to die...

[The Lemongate]

In terrible mental agony!

[Quirl]

You know, maybe we could get something going in the Khan's Yurt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121164) to at least make this game feel somewhat exciting. :clown::balloon2:

The mongol's kinda brushed off Phonics' last attempt at that. lol.

Just a thought. :uneasy:

[phonicsmonkey]

You know, maybe we could get something going in the Khan's Yurt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121164) to at least make this game feel somewhat exciting. :clown::balloon2:

The mongol's kinda brushed off Phonics' last attempt at that. lol.

Just a thought. :uneasy:

Don't worry young Quirl, the Mongols will arrive soon and we'll have plenty to weep..erm, talk about then.

[Quirl]

Don't worry young Quirl, the Mongols will arrive soon and we'll have plenty to weep..erm, talk about then.

If you say so. I've just had a lot of down time this weekend and no hotseat to turn to (especially since Merlox's hotseat doesn't seem like it will go anywhere for quite some time...). :snore:

[Ramses II CP]

Sorry Quirl, very busy weekend for me and I just spaced on the notification! Yer up though, pm on the way:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ntzgjg2xjmz/BCWoTK03-06.zip

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

By the way, I had forgotten this but just confirmed it; the Rajputs cannot build the ballista-catapult-trebuchet line of structures in BC. Not ever, no matter how big my cities/castles get. :thumbsdown:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Sorry Quirl, very busy weekend for me and I just spaced on the notification! Yer up though, pm on the way:

No problem, man. I know how that can be. And...


By the way, I had forgotten this but just confirmed it; the Rajputs cannot build the ballista-catapult-trebuchet line of structures in BC. Not ever, no matter how big my cities/castles get. :thumbsdown:

... that sucks. Some things are obviously going to have to be rethought then. :huh:

[Quirl]

DC (not the comic book) is up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tgyuninbkyt

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?0xjmjnyjj2z)

We have visitors :skull:

[barcamartin]

Gulp... they're coming!

Also, I forgot to mention, last turn I finally removed the Georgian Exiles from the face of the earth. Their last settlement of Majar fell to Seljuk forces. The Georgians never reached Kiev.

Zim, Ghazni go! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zghviq22onk)

[Quirl]

The Mongols are here?! WHAT THE FU...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91rPIq2mN4

[phonicsmonkey]

Gulp... they're coming!

Also, I forgot to mention, last turn I finally removed the Georgian Exiles from the face of the earth. Their last settlement of Majar fell to Seljuk forces. The Georgians never reached Kiev.

You better go tell Flax you're sorry.

So, I take it two full stacks of Turkish Javelinmen will be more than sufficient to defend the Caliphate against these hairy horsemen from the east? :clown:

[Zim]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=5003

Some big words from the emissary of the soon to be defunct Sultanate of Ghazni.

[The Lemongate]

Sorry for the lack of RP. I am busy, busy for the next 2 weeks because of a show. Once that's done, I'll get more lively. For now, I'll try to update a bit with the weirdly nice Qubaphzira.

Mongols were strict adherents to diplomatic procedure, you know. Actually, the Mongol event was largely due to a breach of diplomatic procedure on the Khwarezmians' part.

[The Lemongate]

er... 'Ullo? aynaybooday homm?

[Zim]

The delay may be my fault. I had thought I'd sent Ramses a pm, but looking at my sent pms earlier today either I was mistaken or my crappy dialup failed me when I'd tried to send it. Either way It's been rectified early this afternoon.

[phonicsmonkey]

The delay may be my fault.

The tension is killing me! what will they do? what do they want with us? why are they suddenly being so NICE?!

[Ramses II CP]

I didn't get a pm, but the delay is due to some personal stuff. If I miss a time limit don't be afraid to skip my turn, life has abruptly become rather strange and I just can't always fit gaming in.

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zjymwi2zxtd/BCWoTK04-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

KHAAAN! (http://khaaan.com/)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2caztnjjqn0

[The Lemongate]

Caliph (http://rapidshare.com/files/280601091/BCWoTK05-02.rar.html)

[barcamartin]

Hmm, who's playing the Omanis? On phonics behalf, I turned downed the ceasefire and took another coastal settlement from them in Arabia.

I must say, DAMN that's alot of troops! Holy cow, these Mongols will be hard to stop...

Ghazni up! Good luck, Zim.. (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?qlmzzthmnmz)

[The Lemongate]

No one. They're AI. They're put on human only so that it is possible to pass the Mongol save.

[Zim]

I apologize for the wait. I've been housesitting and unable to play the save, and the sub I had was apparently away. My turn can be skipped or subbed as needed.

[barcamartin]

Sorry guys, and sorry Zim. I have been living in the woods for the last 4 days, so there was little possibility for me to sub. Well, since it hasn't been skipped yet, I'll do it now.

There we go. Thanks Ramses, on Zim's behalf.

You're up, Maharaja Ramses! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nud1v2nw2jr)

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry guys, I've been really busy in RL - moved house last weekend and had a business trip two days afterwards, only got back on Friday night..

I'll try to keep this moving a bit quicker from now on..

Ramses, I know you're busy right now too, so let us know if you need a sub

[Ramses II CP]

I should be able to do this sometime today.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qtoml2nykyd/BCWoTK05-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Mongols:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mtjjjnozzw5

[The Lemongate]

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/285225899/BCWoTK06-02.sav.html)

It has begun.

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?lxzwdjoxyyy) are up

[barcamartin]

Sorry guys, I'll have this up tomorrow some time.

[barcamartin]

Sorry for the delay, but here we go.

GhaZims!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?oxem5mmneoh)

[Zim]

Sorry everyone. I've come down with a pretty bad case of the flu. Between the fever, splitting headache, and feeling a bit loopy from the medicine I'm taking, I may not be able to play my turn on time. Barcamartin is welcome to sub if he'd like, or my turn can be skipped. I can also probably finish it tomorrow, but some hours late...

[barcamartin]

I won't be able to sub until tomorrow afternoon (about 20 hours from now) but if the turn hasn't been played/skipped by then that is what I'll do.

[Zim]

I should be able to play the turn within the next few hours.

[Zim]

I may have run into a problem. I had had crash before when trying to assault a settlement (actually playing the battle). Now I can't fight a Mongol Army without a crash.

Have people been playing out the battles since the new game started? I'm a little worried...

[Quirl]

I have played a few battles against the Oman A.I. I experienced no problems on my end...

That is a little disconcerting. :worried:

[Ramses II CP]

Sometimes it's the battle map, or so I was told a few weeks ago when I subbed for PM in the SS hotseat. Can you try attacking from the next space over to get a new map?

You might also try changing your army composition slightly, such as calling some cavalry as reinforcements instead of bringing them in as the main force.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

hey yo, sorry everyone I've been really really really busy and haven't been able to turn my focus to this or any other game

but now I'm back!

tomorrow when I'm at home I'll test the save to see if I also get crashes when trying to play battles.

[phonicsmonkey]

Zim, the save works for me - I tried a few different battles and they all loaded up just fine

hate to say it, but you may need to reinstall...

[Zim]

I just did a test with an sp BC game and had the same thing happen. It definitely appears to be an install issue, but since I'm on dialup right now I can't really reinstall. I may have to drop out...

[phonicsmonkey]

NOOOO! Just when we were getting started..

Is there any other option Zim?

[Zim]

Well, I just found out I got a job I've been working for lately. I think I can get a decent internet connection. Can someone sub me a turn or two?

[phonicsmonkey]

Sure, send me some detailed instructions and I'll do it for you

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, after a long wait the Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?ntzijjcwyqm) are up

[Ramses II CP]

The Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zhzgtmtmyzt/BCWoTK06-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

KHAAAN!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3kj0iminjey

[phonicsmonkey]

I will skip this turn if I don't hear from Lemon soon - and I'll start to impose the 48 hr deadline more strictly in the future to keep the game moving

[Quirl]

I will skip this turn if I don't hear from Lemon soon - and I'll start to impose the 48 hr deadline more strictly in the future to keep the game moving

That would be great. I hope Lemon isn't having too much trouble! It would be quite boring to fight the epic Mongol hordes without him. :clown:

[The Lemongate]

As I just PM'ed phonics - I can't play before tomorrow evening if nothing comes up at the last minute.

As for RPing, I'm sorry, I'll do it when I have time, but don't count too much on me. The little time I have to spare I spend on Dogs of War, Wrath of the Khan is a secondary priority at the moment.

[phonicsmonkey]

We will wait for you.

Just keep in touch m'kay? Don't be a stranger! :laugh4:

[The Lemongate]

Oman/Arabia seems to not have been reset to human for some reason. Probably my mistake. The turn is thus on the Mongol save which cannot be used.

The last turn must be reloaded and Oman must be activated before I can play as the Mongols.

[phonicsmonkey]

Quirl, do you have the autosave the game makes at the end of your turn when you hit the end turn button?

If so, upload it for me and I'll fix it up for Lemon.

If not, let me know as I'll have to fix the save file from Ramses instead and you'll need to replay your turn.

In future I'll try to remember to check whether Lemon has set Oman to human control when I play my Caliphate turn.

[Quirl]

Yeah, I was wondering about that when I ended my turn. I just assumed it was something you guys had done on purpose. :clown:

Anyways, sorry it took me a bit. I was taking a nap. Here is my quicksave file right before I ended my turn:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jgwjdwkqtkj

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, here you go Lemon

don't forget to set them back to human again when you're done..

http://www.mediafire.com/?mqhzntqrzmz

[The Lemongate]

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/293600728/BCWoTK07-02.rar.html)

The Ghaznavid Shah died this turn when he sallied to reinforce some lonely horse archer outside Firuzkuh.

Bad move.

Then again, I did a few bad moves myself, especially since I didn't have much time to play and autocalc all my battles (xcept that one).

I'll try to get an AAR in there sometime in the coming week.

[phonicsmonkey]

The Ghaznavid Shah died this turn when he sallied to reinforce some lonely horse archer outside Firuzkuh.

Bad move.

Bugger.

Why does this kind of thing always happen when I'm subbing?

Don't answer that.

That horse archer must have been pre-moved by Zim at the end of his previous turn, and carried along on its path after I hit end turn. I certainly didn't leave it there, although I should have checked for things like that.

[The Lemongate]

Actually, the chap had probably just spawned at the end of the turn and was the 21st unit in the Shah's army. Short, miserable life, mostly remembered for its nuisance.

Actually I think I'll use the last sentence in my AAR. Fits with the style.

[phonicsmonkey]

Actually, the chap had probably just spawned at the end of the turn and was the 21st unit in the Shah's army. Short, miserable life, mostly remembered for its nuisance.

Actually I think I'll use the last sentence in my AAR. Fits with the style.

Damn, then it was totally my fault.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?lygrgytbmni)

[barcamartin]

Seljuk turn done, will do Ghazni as soon as possible.

[barcamartin]

Done! Nothing big, defensive measures I guess.

Go Ramses! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mzztotinzxj)

[Ramses II CP]

I am working on this, it's just a matter of waiting to hear back from some people. No major battles are in the offing. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

I am working on this, it's just a matter of waiting to hear back from some people. No major battles are in the offing. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

lol. That was 2 days ago. :surprised:

[Ramses II CP]

Okay, Ayyubids up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mzdlgzy2zfg/BCWoTK07-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Khan's up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zyjmov5dhkw

Anyone know why my password was reset? :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

yeah, remember I had to go in at the end of your turn, switch Oman to human and end your turn? I had to clear your password to do it.

[Quirl]

lol. It's cool. I figured it was something like that. Are these Mongols really that difficult to manage in the hotseat? :shocked3:

Oh, and Ramses, I brought it up to your... eh... diplomats in the courtroom. But are you really that attached to San'a or could we strike a deal for it?

[phonicsmonkey]

Are these Mongols really that difficult to manage in the hotseat? :shocked3:

Not really, it's just you can't save on their turn or it crashes when you re-load. So we have to pass the save on Oman's loading screen, Lemon lets the AI play the turn, then plays his, then saves on the next loading screen.

It's all because, when I started the CotF game, I didn't make the mongols playable in my descr_strat file.

[Quirl]

Well, at least you could warn me ahead of time when I started the Lords of the East about that. I even made the slaves playable. :happy2:

[Ramses II CP]

Not in the slightest... check the *ahem* area. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/298439409/BCWoTK08-02.rar.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?tmfdonwyjlj)

[barcamartin]

Seljuk turn done. I don't have time to play the Ghazni one at the moment. Might find time in an hour or so, otherwise it'll have to wait (for me or someone else).

Ghazni ! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?vyotlzzr2ok)

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll pick this up tonight if it's not done by then

(*cue loud cheers from the mongol hordes*)

[phonicsmonkey]

Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?5lmme3hyuez)

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5nkgn02ztzj/BCWoTK08-06.zip

The Rajputs are now officially at war with the Mongols.

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Mongols up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rzyjwwvmhzu

[The Lemongate]

I've had a little problem with my PC. A virus or whatever was causing it to crash incessantly. I've reformated and reinstalled Vista, but it'll take me a while to put back on all my software and frankly, I don't feel like sitting in front of a screen for the next 2 days. I should have everything up and running by tomorrow evening/monday morning. If you want to wait for me till then, I'll try to get BC up ASAP (if someone could point me to the 1.05 files I don't think they're largely hosted anymore). Otherwise, skip the turn or have someone sub it. It's not like this is some sort of secret scenario. It's me vs the world and I've been autocalc'ing it up to now.


Sorry for the mess.

[phonicsmonkey]

This site (http://www.4players.de/4players.php/download_info/PC-CDROM/Download/47273.html) still has the 1.0 files

Here's the 1.05 patch (http://www.file-upload.net/download-1677644/bcpatch105.exe.html)

And there were some other hotfixes in this thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142288) I think..

Let me know if you have any problems, i think i still have some of the files on my comp too.

[The Lemongate]

Thanks for the links.

I still had the hardest of times to reinstall all my mods and have any of them work properly for some reason. Anyways, I believe everything should be in order, so : Here comes the Caliph (http://rapidshare.com/files/301855543/BCWoTK09-02.rar.html)!

[Quirl]

You got a virus with Vista, man? That's a tough thing to do. :thinking:

I got a virus with vista once. It handles it pretty well. I'm surprised you had to reformat it. Sux. :thumbsdown:

[The Lemongate]

Hmmm, bad habbit of sometimes turning off all of winow's protections (firewall, etc.) I usually keep them on, but they were bugging me on a few programs and I turned them off and forgot to put them back on. Stupid mistake which I will not repeat.

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?ztmyuivnigz)

By the way everyone, I've been meaning for a while to ask you all not to kill the Kypchaks. If they die, the hotseat dies as there will be no way for Lemon to play his turns.

So keep them alive at all costs!

[barcamartin]

Ghazni! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?42qudyncyzg)

No time to sub... Sorry!

[phonicsmonkey]

Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?oegq2y0igvo)

[Ramses II CP]

I'm right in the middle of this, but there's a lot going on (Anyone want to guess?) and it's taking me some time. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/a0izoqjyumt/BCWoTK09-06.zip

The Rajputs have offered themselves as vassals of the Mongol Empire and been accepted (OOC anyway). The consequences for Ghazni should be obvious. The more formal IC explanation will be made in the anti-mongol league forum shortly.

GL everyone! OOC I think the rest of the world has the resources to win easily, but IC the Maharaja watched Ghazni collapse like a house of cards. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

curry eating surrender monkeys!

[Ramses II CP]

As an OOC matter I've been planning it from the start, I was just waiting for those Ghazni armies to come out of their cities in the south and the Mongol border to get close enough. I leaked every bit of information I could to the Mongols, screenshots, etc. The first emissary to the Mongols in the Yurt thread didn't know, which is why the second arrived and the two had their disagreement. I wanted there to be a possibility of Zim guessing what was going to happen, but activity being what it has that didn't quite pan out. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Meh. Makes sense strategically. I was wondering how long the Hindus would tie themselves to the Jihad happy Fourth Caliphate. :clown:

This game is actually starting to pick up! Is it bad to say that excites me! :beam:

[Quirl]

KHAAAN!

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jtddzjmzydo

[The Lemongate]

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/305906380/BCWoTK10-02.rar.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

sweljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?3izmc3zu4rz)

and just a reminder of the rules about agents, in case anyone else forgot like me:

- No spies allowed to enter cities or castles. (I'm extending this to forts as this was the intention - let me know if you disagree)

- No assassins to be used.

[barcamartin]

Should be able to do the turn soon. Btw, I guess spies are allowed in your own cities, to disguise troops etc?

[Quirl]

sweljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?3izmc3zu4rz)

and just a reminder of the rules about agents, in case anyone else forgot like me:

- No spies allowed to enter cities or castles. (I'm extending this to forts as this was the intention - let me know if you disagree)

- No assassins to be used.

I'm guessing this doesn't stand when fighting A.I. factions. :clown:

I wasn't aware that Assassins couldn't be used to sabotage and spies can't even just scout out the interior of a settlement. :inquisitive:

Though, I assumed the rules about spies and assassins were the same as with forts. No disagreements there. Kinda letter of the law to assume otherwise, huh? lol.

[The Lemongate]

Spies in settlements make Mongols cry. I have 2 of the buggers, I think both are rank 1, and it makes my cities revolt (pretty sure some wandered in a few of my cities last turn).

[phonicsmonkey]

Spies in settlements make Mongols cry.

You are close to convincing me to change the rules! :clown:

Actually when I first framed these rules I thought Mongols couldn't train agents - but now I see a few Mongol spies wandering around. Maybe the right thing would have been to impose a cooling off period to give them a fair chance to catch up. That way the Rajputs wouldn't be disadvantaged by their inability to build siege engines.

[barcamartin]

Disadvantage the sneaky Rajputs all you want ! ;D

[The Lemongate]

My budget is at -73K and going down. I trained spies on the first 2 turns. Afterwards, I'll never have money in this game. Oh and my siege engines are near useless being so far from the front (except the one that got to Ghazni which is now just lost in the mountains of Afghanistan...)

Mind you, you guys have mostly already won. The budget disadvantage of the Mongols is so great I doubt they can fill out their victory conditions. But still, it's fun to rampage around.

[barcamartin]

Sorry guys, this will be a bit delayed. I should be able to get it up by Monday at the latest...

[barcamartin]

Barely had time to do my own turn. If I am to do Zim's it'll have to wait a bit.

Anyway, Ghazni! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zm2zngzjn12)

[Ramses II CP]

I still have some assassins I'm trying to suicide out; it'd be simpler if I could use them to kill each other. I have a metric ton of spies spread around, but they're not in use to take settlements.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

I will see if I can find the time later. If not today, I should be able to sub the turn tomorrow.

However, given my track record of subbing I'm sure Zim would prefer barca to do it! :clown:

[Quirl]

Whew. That was a lot of battles. I'll have the turn up in a few seconds...

EDIT:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tzdzzayjnyh

[Quirl]

Sorry, guys. I just realized I never PM'd Ramses about his turn. Completely my fault. That mistake has been rectified.

In brighter news:
I made that image for the Legends of the Khan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2325195#post2325195) story thread. I felt a strange pride when I saw it there. :clown:
https://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab281/ReeceCapps/Untitled.jpg?t=1258592283

[Ramses II CP]

Ahh, I'll have this done sometime tomorrow. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Hey Ramses, get to it!

[Ramses II CP]

I apologize for this being late (again!). Time has been something of a premium, so I went through this morning and auto-calc'd all the obvious battles to get things moving. If anyone spots some of my assassins please feel free to use the surround squish trick on them! I'd really like to be rid of them as they continue to be a significant financial drain on greater Rajputia and I didn't have time to get rid of any. :laugh4:

Those four Ghazni cities above the coast fell. I didn't conduct any diplomacy, sorry Caliphate. Next time! Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rt3im2dw1t1/BCWoTK10-06.zip

:egypt:

[Quirl]

I will be able to do my turn tomorrow. I shouldn't have to go over my turn limit, though. :2thumbsup:

[Quirl]

KHAAAN!

http://www.mediafire.com/?zzatnfnqywr

[phonicsmonkey]

bumpety-bump

Lemon?

[Ramses II CP]

I can sub if necessary. :yes:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Good idea, know his pw?

[phonicsmonkey]

Here it is with the pw open - just skip the kypchak turn, and remember you can't save at all on the mongol turn so you have to play it in one sitting

http://www.mediafire.com/?tzny0zji5yy

[Ramses II CP]

More or less SOP for hotseats anyway, I'll get this done as soon as I can find time. :yes:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

PM I'm getting a CRC fail error on the latest save, can you re-upload it? NBD since we're headed to the doc's and I couldn't work on it right now anyway. I'll pm you too.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

try this one instead

http://www.mediafire.com/?d4fx5ykicxz

[Ramses II CP]

It'll probably be ~ 6 hours before I can get started on this, but it will be done today as soon as I get home. For all my time troubles lately this is still by far my favorite hotseat, I just wish I could devote as much to it as I did back at the start. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

Eh, well, I have it done here (http://rapidshare.com/files/313449557/BCWoTK11-02.rar.html) if you prefer.

[Ramses II CP]

:2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?m1wyyjyyiyo)

[barcamartin]

Ghazni !! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?miocwoi2zen)

I suggest Quirl to sub again, because I have little time, but also because he seems to have done a pretty decent job. :)

[phonicsmonkey]

I wish Zim would come back.

Quirl, are you able to sub again? Pretty please? :beam:

[Quirl]

lol. K. Np. I'll do it in a bit. :beam:

[Quirl]

Rajpoops! :clown:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z4zi3ghmgwr

[Ramses II CP]

I've gotten started on this, but FYI that old bug where all settlements flip to auto-manage has hit (Well, hit me at least). This happened a few times with other hotseats I've played and I have no idea what causes it, all you can really do is click through all your cities and turn auto-manage back off to prevent the AI creating order issues.

I should have this done tonight when I can fight a few battles.

:clown:

[Quirl]

Uh-oh. Thanks for the warning. I'll tell you if I notice that happening on my turn. :thumbsdown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I've gotten started on this, but FYI that old bug where all settlements flip to auto-manage has hit (Well, hit me at least). This happened a few times with other hotseats I've played and I have no idea what causes it, all you can really do is click through all your cities and turn auto-manage back off to prevent the AI creating order issues.

I should have this done tonight when I can fight a few battles.

:clown:

Yeah, that one is annoying but easily fixed. Actually it has happened to me in SP too, so I don't think it's a hotseat-only bug.

[The Lemongate]

Actually, turn auto-manage all on/off twice and it will take it off everywhere at once. Much faster that way.

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/b0ejzntdj2y/BCWoTK11-06.zip

I'll have to remember that trick Lemon, I just went through them all and it's very irritating.

That Ghazni catapult army was destroyed (Just FYI) but the Caliphate Crown Prince escaped by the skin of his teeth and the virtue of his wisdom in hiring javelin mercenaries. (Curse being behind in the turn order!). My elephants were charging into his midst when a single volley of javelins hit them and felled my bugged 1 hitpoint general, causing a rout. :thumbsdown:

I'm still not sure what sort of diplomatic settlement to offer, so I didn't try to concoct anything. Just as an FYI though I have more ships than you think. If I had catapults and could still hit ships in port I think I could actually hold a line for awhile. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

KHAAAN!

http://www.mediafire.com/?zfozy4zzhn1

[phonicsmonkey]

..the Caliphate Crown Prince escaped by the skin of his teeth and the virtue of his wisdom in hiring javelin mercenaries. (Curse being behind in the turn order!). My elephants were charging into his midst when a single volley of javelins hit them and felled my bugged 1 hitpoint general, causing a rout.

I was hoping something like that might happen! It was a big gamble leaving him in siege as I am well aware of your supernatural abilities on the battle map. Did my other sieging force escape your wrath?


I'm still not sure what sort of diplomatic settlement to offer.

Well I can tell you right now that the Caliph won't accept anything short of a full return of stolen territory to Ghazni. He can just about handle the Rajput capitulation to the Mongols but having them join forces against Ghazni really irks him.

[Ramses II CP]

Alas, no, Quirl had defeated some elephants which retreated into your territory and came upon the other siege force from behind, I just autocalc'd that battle. I was helped by the fact that you had a small force of cavalry mercs just standing beside an empty fort there, but not in reinforcement range.

I had high hopes for that poor little general in the fort though, about half the time if you just charge the elephants forward they'll get the cavalry into a melee where their massive anti-cav bonus comes into effect. I figure if I'd kept the general alive I could've stomped a good portion of that stack, maybe 30-40%, and hopefully killed the general.

I mostly joined up with the Mongols so they'd have a shot against you bullies and your roaring economies. :laugh4:

I dunno about giving territory back to Ghazni, how am I going to wipe their nation out if I go giving them back land? If you beat the Mongols I doubt we'll need to draw it out though, I'll just surrender if your alliance doesn't fracture.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Alas, no, Quirl had defeated some elephants which retreated into your territory

Aargh and I thought I had covered all the possible reinforcement routes for that fort! Where were those guys hiding? I didn't see them :oops:

I love this game.

[Ramses II CP]

I didn't even have them in hiding, just last turn they had retreated and couldn't be moved, so this turn they were waiting patiently for their chance. They were sitting just north of that ridge between the Seljuk castle and your city (IIRC) on the coast, west of that siege spot. I also had a few scattered companies I could call for reinforcement, same as with the semi-trap I laid for the Ghazni catapult army. I like to keep my elephants fairly spread out since 3-4 companies of them can take out most of a stack, but 1 company of javelins can severely mess up a whole stack of elephants due to rage.

If you'd had men in the fort behind that siege I wouldn't have been able to get to you, but the fort behind the siege stack was empty with 3 companies of mercs sitting just north of it. Figured you might've run out of movement or just miss clicked? My nation isn't as big as yours and it's a pain to constantly move all those stacks in the optimal manner.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Damn, those elephants must have been just inside the fow in seljuk territory. we should really communicate better, us allies.

I ran out of movement - just goes to prove I'm honest, right? :laugh4:

[The Lemongate]

Will play this tomorrow if I'm able to, otherwise it's going to be friday.

[Zim]

Chased by their former ally back to their crappy island that was to be the topic of a fall from greatness leading to exile to nowhere post for the story thread? Poor Ghazims. I thought at least nobody would begrudge them Suqutra. :laugh4:

I have a computer now. About a week until I have a video card in it that can actually play the game. Probably just in time to see Ghazni fall and eagerly await Phonics' next game.

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon you're holding us up - what's the news? I don't want to skip you.

Ramses, want to sub for him?

[The Lemongate]

Sorry. Very limited internet access.

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/317609568/BCWoTK12-02.rar.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?tzeolgvliww)

[barcamartin]

Another turn of throwing your heads into the Mongol-metal. That Mongol cavalry is basically unbeatable.


Anyhow, Ghazni up! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ynijj3oj2io)

[Quirl]

Another turn of throwing your heads into the Mongol-metal. That Mongol cavalry is basically unbeatable.


Anyhow, Ghazni up! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ynijj3oj2io)

Not against rocket launchers! Uhm... anyone got any rocket launchers? :sweatdrop:

Who's subbing for Ghazni? I don't know if I'll have time this week... :thumbsdown:

[Ramses II CP]

Hey, I've done it before... :laugh4:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?1zkmt5kycw3)

Not much to be done for Ghazni these days...

Ramses, I offered you peace, trade rights and an exchange of maps - not much else to offer!

Lemon, Ghazni only has one diplomat so I couldn't make a similar offer to you, but it extends to you too.

Ghazni has nothing left to offer either Mongol or Rajput, so it would like to live in peace with its two remaining settlements..

By the way, it would be good if both Ramses and Lemon could update us on their VCs. I could work it out from the map but I forgot to do it when I was in-game and I'm too lazy to go back in just for that..

[Ramses II CP]

I have taken five settlements and held them so far. I surrendered two to the Caliphate after hostilities began, so those may count towards your VC Phonics? Delhi surrendered to the Mongols and, although we couldn't get the diplomacy done correctly in the game's time frame, the Rajputs are vassals of the Mongols.

It's interesting that the Ghazni are now at war with the Caliphate, but I can't accept a mere ceasefire. I will offer vassalage if I can find a Ghazni diplomat, but this would be de facto vassalage to the Mongols as well, and I realize that might not be acceptable.

I also want to note that those troops you're trying to sneak in by ship have been spotted Quirl, and really I was probably going to turn Calula over to you anyway after I churned another merchant out...

:egypt:

[Quirl]

http://reflectivepraxis.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/smeagol.jpg

"Sneaking? Sneaking?! Fat hobbit is always so polite..."

[phonicsmonkey]

It's interesting that the Ghazni are now at war with the Caliphate, but I can't accept a mere ceasefire. I will offer vassalage....

I distinctly remember Zim telling me once that he would never accept the 'half-life' of vassalage and that he would fight to the death rather than surrender to a foe and become his minion.

So unless he pops up to correct me I'm going to abide by his 'living will' and refuse any offers of vassalage.

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wmzmhtwnvmz/BCWoTK12-06.zip

Wish I'd read that before I finished up, but there's plenty of time. :laugh4:

I did not start a war with the Ayyubids, by the way; it's never the way of the Rajput to be the aggressor...

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

it's never the way of the Rajput to be the aggressor...

Except against the Ghaznavids.....and the Caliphate :laugh4:

[Quirl]

I'll have this up soon; just waiting for clarification.

And sorry Ramses, but as one slave to another (simply obeying orders) I attacked your navy and am at Calula. And I saw your forces hiding in the woodlands there. Fool me once with Ghazni, shame on you. I trusted my gut this time. lol. :clown:

EDIT:
KHAAAN!
http://www.mediafire.com/?2nmzgvliokw

Man, this is slow... my forces are still trudging through Iran. -_-

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, I couldn't see if you had a catapult aboard the ships so I decamped the remaining troops to encourage rioting. I figured you had to walk right by them if you had any spies so they didn't have much of a shot, but sticking them in the woods was better than just disbanding. :laugh4:

The Ghazni elephants weren't even hiding, they were just over a hill and far away from any walking path, where they'd retreated when you beat 'em initially!

:egypt:

[Quirl]

Yeah, I couldn't see if you had a catapult aboard the ships so I decamped the remaining troops to encourage rioting. I figured you had to walk right by them if you had any spies so they didn't have much of a shot, but sticking them in the woods was better than just disbanding. :laugh4:

The Ghazni elephants weren't even hiding, they were just over a hill and far away from any walking path, where they'd retreated when you beat 'em initially!

:egypt:

lol. Cheapen my victory at Calula. Rub in the dirt at my loss with Ghazni. Oh, I see how it is. :beam:

I'm going to write a short AAR about the naval victory there. I wasn't aware of this, but apparently the Ayyubid dhows have one extra point on defense, attack, etc than normal dhows. I thought I was just getting continuously lucky all the time. :clown:

[Ramses II CP]

Except against the Ghaznavids.....and the Caliphate :laugh4:

Oh, and the Ghazni were in it with the Ghorids! A Rajput never forgets an offense! How could you not see this coming after what I did to the Omanis?

Not one single Caliphate city has been attacked (In fact I gave them two!), they've only been prevented from aiding their allies and, to be perfectly honest, tied down financially a bit to try to even the odds against the Mongols.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Not one single Caliphate city has been attacked (In fact I gave them two!), they've only been prevented from aiding their allies and, to be perfectly honest, tied down financially a bit to try to even the odds against the Mongols.

:egypt:

Blockading my ports is a act of war. And I'm not sure the Mongols need the odds evened up....:help:

[The Lemongate]

Here's the caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/319932978/BCWoTK13-02.sav.html).

[phonicsmonkey]

I played the Caliphate turn, now I have to sub for Seljuks and Ghazni - might be a couple of days.

[Quirl]

I played the Caliphate turn, now I have to sub for Seljuks and Ghazni - might be a couple of days.

If you need help, I can sub after Monday...

[phonicsmonkey]

Found some time tonight

Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?wi0d1r5mmwn)

[Zim]

I would have been able to play within a day, but I can wait. :beam:

I don't mind Ghazni being exiled to Suqutra, but would not be up to becoming the vassals of the Rajputs, who hide behind an honor that appears to be illusory. ~;p

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry Zim I didn't realise you were so close to returning! Glad I made the right call on vassalage.

Welcome back by the way - pull up a sun-lounger on the beach at New Ghazni Island (formerly Suqutra) and watch the Mongols crush us under their cruel hooves. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I last heard from Ramses 4 days ago when he said he was sick with that thing his daughter had (which sounded nasty) - I hope he's ok!

I'll give him another couple of days before skipping - unless Lemon wants to sub?

[phonicsmonkey]

Much as I hate to do it, if I don't hear from Ramses or Lemon in the next ten hours or so I'm going to skip this turn to keep the game moving.

[phonicsmonkey]

Ayyubids (http://www.mediafire.com/?mcxyiztimmy)

[Quirl]

KHAAAN!

http://www.mediafire.com/?qymzny52mw5

[The Lemongate]

Here it is: the Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/325133830/BCWoTK14-02.rar.html)!

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?jwjtyqmzzyn)

[Quirl]

Raj

http://www.mediafire.com/?igffny51izq

Don't know who I PM...

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon is going to sub, PM him please

[The Lemongate]

It'll be done tomorrow evening.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm off to the beach until the 10th, which means that (unless Zim or Ramses come back, and until barca returns on the 5th), this hotseat just became a Lemon vs Quirl deathmatch.

Happy New Year guys!

[Quirl]

Fine with me. I'll squeeze the life out you, Lemon. :tongue2:

[The Lemongate]

Ow!

Uh... it WILL be done tomorrow. Morning. Seriously this time.

[Quirl]

Khan

http://www.mediafire.com/?2ydz5xtxzgn

[Zim]

We're at the Mongols already? Did my faction die during the last turn? :sweatdrop:

[Quirl]

Nooo. They own a vast empire on Suqutra. :beam:

[Zim]

Woohoo!

Just realized my mistake, I though we were on the next turn already and that I'd missed a turn, but I actually still ahve some way to go. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I have pm'd Lemon to let him know I will skip the Mongol turn if he doesn't post it in the next 18hrs.

[phonicsmonkey]

I have started the Caliphate turn and will finish it later or tomorrow.

It's hot again today so we're taking little Monkey to the pool. :beam:

[Quirl]

To the pool? Damn. Where do you live again? Still snowing here and I'm not even that far up north. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?vmtenn4mnmh)

welcome back barca!

Quirl, I answered your question in the other thread, where barca asked the question I was going to ask you...

[barcamartin]

Yeah, I kind of asked the question in the wrong thread. ;)

[barcamartin]

I have started playing the turn, but have several battle to play and I don't have time for them today. Hopefully I'll have the turn up tomorrow.

[barcamartin]

There we go, for what it's worth. I hate Mongols! I freakin hate them!

Ghazni! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?y2m0y0qnrmy)

[phonicsmonkey]

I hate Mongols! I freakin hate them!

:laugh4:

[phonicsmonkey]

Rajputs (http://www.mediafire.com/?tzmzyjzen2y)

[The Lemongate]

Mamluks (http://rapidshare.com/files/335536023/BCWoTK15-06.rar.html)

[Quirl]

Khan

http://www.mediafire.com/?0cj1wgq03ge

[phonicsmonkey]

Hey Mongols, deadline has passed again...

[The Lemongate]

Caliphate (http://rapidshare.com/files/337026299/BCWoTK16-02.rar.html)

[phonicsmonkey]

Seljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?azmnemj51tm)

[The Lemongate]

Stop the Mongols!

But I'm not doing anything!

Seriously, the Raj are in such a better position >_<

[phonicsmonkey]

But I'm not doing anything!

Seriously, the Raj are in such a better position >_<

Don't worry, they'll get theirs too! :laugh4:

It's frightening how many troops you have - looking at the military charts you are waaaaay out there at the top.

[barcamartin]

This is going to be delayed a bit. I should be able to get to it tomorrow, hopefully. My apologies!

[barcamartin]

There we go, finally! Go Ghazni! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?fz0dt3mudtn)

[phonicsmonkey]

I was just thinking about this game and trying to strategize...and it struck me what an absolutely MASSIVE war this is!

It's huge and covers virtually the whole map! The sheer numbers of troops involved!

I'm so glad we kicked on with this game after CotF finished - it may feel a bit like a grind right now fighting the endless battles (barca) and ploughing through the endless forts (Lemon) but there's no way you could get an epic conflict like this in another hotseat, it just takes too much time to develop the factions to this level.

Let's keep it up to the bitter end!

Speaking of which, can I get an update from Lemon on the Mongol VCs? Do you have enough territories now and just need to sack either Rayy or Baghdad to win?

[barcamartin]

I also considered that. I mean, during the last 10 turns I've had 10-15 stacks of troops, if not more. I have also seen my allies and enemies bringing 4-5 times that to the front (mainly Mongol, but still). It's just sick.

But about that "developed", I'm pretty much still where I was at the start of the game, at least regarding quality of troops. True though, territorial holdings, economy and sheer recruitment options takes time, and the factions we have in this epic struggle for the fate of Middle Earth/East are all super powers, except for the once proud Ghazni.

Some turns feel like a chore, but I guess my troops are cheered up by the fact they might actually get to kill a Mongol soldier if they fight and survive five battles. xD

[Quirl]

Whatever Phonics. You're just trying to promote this hotseat and beat me and Lemon in the 2009 HOF awards, again. :clown:

But the battles are quite off the charts--literally! :confused:

[phonicsmonkey]

Whatever Phonics. You're just trying to promote this hotseat and beat me and Lemon in the 2009 HOF awards, again.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

1) There's no hotseat award this year (unless they have already listened to my appeal).

2) There's not enough players in this game to win a vote against either of the other two games.

3) I already have my award for CotF - I'm not greedy!

[The Lemongate]

Personally, none of the current hotseats compares with CotF because we don't have the same level of IC relations/story-telling as we did on CotF. I've been meaning to write stuff for a while now, but everytime I get at it, my mind just blanks... or worse, for DoW, I only manage to think in French :dizzy2:

[Zim]

Rajputs are up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=5184

[Quirl]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

1) There's no hotseat award this year (unless they have already listened to my appeal).

Really? Sad day. :shame:

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon, do you mind subbing the Rajputs again?

If Ramses doesn't come back soon I'm not sure what we're going to do..

[The Lemongate]

Sure I'll sub. Though I'm working tomorrow until pretty late so it won't be right away.

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon, are you going to sub the turn or do I have to skip it?

[The Lemongate]

Sorry, I didn't know it was done. I was still waiting for the save :dizzy2:

Gimme a couple of hours. I'll do it after supper!

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks mate - darned new pages, obscuring save game files..

[The Lemongate]

KK so writting an AAR for Dogs of War (yay inspiration!) and then I'm on it!


Here's the Mamluks (http://www.filefront.com/15443737/BCWoTK16-06.rar)turn!

[Quirl]

Khan!

http://www.mediafire.com/?mzunez3vwni

[The Lemongate]

Caliph (http://www.filefront.com/15449209/BCWoTK17-02.rar)

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll probably need the whole time limit or a little more for this one - a few battles to fight.

[barcamartin]

I'll be gone from Sunday to Thursday, on a skiing trip with school. So if you're not done before Sunday I'll have to request a sub.