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the man with no name
08-29-2009, 20:55
This is made for Kevin
And technically Epeiros is a barbarian faction so don't complain.
Phalanx300
08-29-2009, 22:35
This is made for Kevin
And technically Epeiros is a barbarian faction so don't complain.
It isn't, Epeiros is Greek with Illyrian influences in the same way Makedonia has Tracian ones. In EB Epeiros controls some Illyrian land.
Sweboz, and wasn't there a tread exactly like this one?
Sweboz.. I love those units.
It seems a "Were Epirotes barbarians or not?" debate is coming...
athanaric
08-30-2009, 00:01
Either we allow this poll to have a humorous edge by adding Epeiros or other mediterranean factions to it, or we should make it a serious poll with only the 6 factions in it that belong to the "Barbarian" culture group ingame. Those are: Lusotannan, Getai, Swêboz, Arverni, Aedui, Casse. No others. Being "Barbarian" in this game does not refer to the brutality of the faction, which is pretty equally distributed between all 20 of them anyway.
Claiming Epeiros is not Barbarian while letting Romans pass as Barbarians is just :wall:.
the man with no name
08-30-2009, 13:28
It isn't, Epeiros is Greek with Illyrian influences in the same way Makedonia has Tracian ones. In EB Epeiros controls some Illyrian land.
Sweboz, and wasn't there a tread exactly like this one?
The thread had no poll.
Epeiros was originally scripted as a barbarian faction.
(Note:I said that Epeiros was technicallya barbarian faction.
@J.R.M.: How could you guess?
@Kevin:No problem
@athanaric: he's right it was, for me, somewhat of a joke.
Epeiros was originally scripted as a barbarian faction.
(Note:I said that Epeiros was technicallya barbarian faction.
...uh, no. Epeiros has the Western Greek culture, ingame and had a Hellenic ruling class. Their soldiers were Hellenic, with some minor Illyrian influence. It's like saying that Kart-Hadast was Numidian just because of their position.
Please do away with the Romani and Epeiros options. Enough is enough already. :wall:
I voted Getai.
Epeiros was originally scripted as a barbarian faction.
That's the first I hear of it. Although many Epirotes were Illyrians and Thracians rather than Hellenes, there were several major Hellenic cities and the culture of the ruling dynasty was Greek. So it isn't even "technically" a barbarian faction. At best, it's a Hellenic faction with a mostly barbarian population, in the same way that the Seleucid Empire is a Hellenic faction with a mostly Eastern population.
the man with no name
09-03-2009, 21:58
Please do away with the Romani and Epeiros options. Enough is enough already. :wall:
I voted Getai.I would get rid of Epeiros if i could cuz of the amount of complaints. The romani are truly barbarians though, unlike us Gauls:clown:
@Hax and Ludens: sorry if i'm wrong, i heard it out there somewhere.
Olaf The Great
09-04-2009, 03:47
Well I guess technically the Romani are Celts with Heavy Greek influence but eh.
I voted for Casse, I love their units and their nice slow starting position, don't really like their lacking infrastructure though but it's usually not a big deal. I play them the most, late game they're a bit weird to play, as they don't have a "line" infantry unit to speak of, but they don't really need it, just tons of shock infantry and heavy cavalry with those nice Skirmishers and slingers to whittle them down. They also get one of the three Man-Tank units.
Hate their bodyguard unit though, too flimsy for a General.
I really like the Aedui too, but other than Casse I'd say Swezboz definitely, while they lack even more infrastructure their units are -amazing- and they still have an excellent starting position, maybe not as safe once the Romans start steamrolling but you still got a bit of leeway in the beginning They get access to +4 exp units under the right conditions, and that allows you to reliably take on both the Romans and the Boii supermen.
Phalanx300
09-04-2009, 15:33
Well I guess technically the Romani are Celts with Heavy Greek influence but eh.
I voted for Casse, I love their units and their nice slow starting position, don't really like their lacking infrastructure though but it's usually not a big deal. I play them the most, late game they're a bit weird to play, as they don't have a "line" infantry unit to speak of, but they don't really need it, just tons of shock infantry and heavy cavalry with those nice Skirmishers and slingers to whittle them down. They also get one of the three Man-Tank units.
Hate their bodyguard unit though, too flimsy for a General.
I really like the Aedui too, but other than Casse I'd say Swezboz definitely, while they lack even more infrastructure their units are -amazing- and they still have an excellent starting position, maybe not as safe once the Romans start steamrolling but you still got a bit of leeway in the beginning They get access to +4 exp units under the right conditions, and that allows you to reliably take on both the Romans and the Boii supermen.
Agreed on the Sweboz, once you upgraded all shrines and things to the max you get very elite soldiers. :2thumbsup:
And the Romani are Latins, who were an Italian people. Later the Romani became a mix of the things they conquered with some noble Latin families in charge (Senate).
Mr Polska
09-04-2009, 17:17
I would have voted Romani, but they aren't barbarian. Instead I voted for Casse, as they have good troops and money coming out of their ears. Only problem is that their bodyguard is too fragile for my liking.
I dont think the Casse bodyguards are really meant to be used for fighting...
EDIT:voted for Casse by the way
Olaf The Great
09-04-2009, 22:03
I dont think the Casse bodyguards are really meant to be used for fighting...
EDIT:voted for Casse by the wayIt just breaks my Ethos of "Badass and brave general everyone loves" when he can't even engage in combat.
I really like chariots, but they're best used as battering rams, and with their (I don't understand it, they have multiple hitpoints and a high defense) flimsy defenses, risking a General in it isn't worth it.
The Sweboz general is a perfect brawler, since he's infantry he's forced to stand and fight rather than retreat most of the time, and he does it well.
Unfortunately you can't use the +3 weapon glitch that the normal Haerthmen have, but -2 attack isn't too huge.
But yeah, Phalanx, those Sweboz improvements can get quite insane, +3 attack +1 defense +3/4 experience easily with the Hearthmen, and it's even easier with the Lugians, because they have some sort of Celtic monument there.
While they're expensive, the Thegns are suprisingly cost effective even as line infantry if you're going up to a very tough enemy simply because of these bonuses.
Which Sweboz temple gives the experience?
athanaric
09-05-2009, 02:51
Which Sweboz temple gives the experience?
Temple of Deiwoz (Tyr). Level 3 (highest possible for Swêboz) gives +2 experience, some happiness and morale. The morale bonus is broken though, which unfortunately renders some other temples almost useless.
Together with a Field of Games and type 3 or 4 government this adds up to +4 experience.
Woah that's pretty good. Does any other faction get something like that?
Olaf The Great
09-05-2009, 07:11
Woah that's pretty good. Does any other faction get something like that?A few patches ago Pontus had a bugged +9001 exp bonus in one of their cities.
Shiiii-
Casse (used to?) have a Temple which grants +3 attack and +3 armor.
A (Rebel only?) Celtic temple can grant (4?) exp points upon building, something the Romans weren't prepared for once Aedui took liguria, and spammed overpowered Ligurian Spearmen.
Best AI Gaul expansion I've seen, wish my computer didn't crash and I had the screenie, they stretched from Numantia to the Swebotraustamnoz., from Massilia to Ak-Ink.
This happened to me in either 1.1 or 1.0.
the man with no name
09-05-2009, 19:55
A few patches ago Pontus had a bugged +9001 exp bonus in one of their cities.
Shiiii-
Casse (used to?) have a Temple which grants +3 attack and +3 armor.
A (Rebel only?) Celtic temple can grant (4?) exp points upon building, something the Romans weren't prepared for once Aedui took liguria, and spammed overpowered Ligurian Spearmen.
Best AI Gaul expansion I've seen, wish my computer didn't crash and I had the screenie, they stretched from Numantia to the Swebotraustamnoz., from Massilia to Ak-Ink.
This happened to me in either 1.1 or 1.0.
Holy Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aemilius Paulus
09-10-2009, 01:39
Sweboz wins again!
Not really. The Sweboz lost in the last poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121382). To Romans :grin:
A Terribly Harmful Name
09-10-2009, 02:28
You shouldn't really take that seriously BTW. We all know what AP did to Meth's votes :smash:.
the man with no name
09-12-2009, 05:59
Aedui never win. What's so bad about them?
Andronikos
09-13-2009, 17:21
There are two more Celtic factions which consume some votes.
Not really. The Sweboz lost in the last poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121382). To Romans :grin:
Not anymore. :2thumbsup: I voted Sweboz because Sweboz is the best.
Aemilius Paulus
09-13-2009, 22:44
Not anymore. :2thumbsup: I voted Sweboz because Sweboz is the best.
First of all, that poll is currently a three-way tie. Secondly, define "best". :P
athanaric
09-14-2009, 06:24
First of all, that poll is currently a three-way tie. Secondly, define "best". :P
fixed.
Macilrille
09-14-2009, 19:56
Sweboz FTW!!!
Phalanx300
09-16-2009, 19:09
Seems like the Sweboz are leading, those damn Getai are catching up though. They should know their place. :whip:
Seems like the Sweboz are leading, those damn Getai are catching up though. They should know their place. :whip:
:shout: :angry: ~:mad :soapbox:
Don't make me register a bunch of accounts and vote... :skull:
I voted for Getai, sorry but those elite falxman and the thracian peltastai beats anything the sweboz can throw at them :yes::smash:
A Very Super Market
09-16-2009, 23:53
I refuse to define the Epeirotes as Barbarians, so the Getai get my vote.
Everyone is a barbarian to someone. :clown:
the man with no name
09-30-2009, 03:32
Everyone is a barbarian to someone. :clown:
It's the EB motto for god sake. Quisque es barbarus alio!.
Celtic_Punk
09-30-2009, 22:38
barbarians? I'm offended. pshaw! :furious3:
:beam:
Finn MacCumhail
10-01-2009, 14:42
Barbarian - sounds proud.:2thumbsup:
There is no shame to be barbarian.:yes:
Barbarian does not mean something bad or dull. Just when someone names others "barbarians" it depicts that a person is under the pressure of stereotypes, xenophobia and so on.
PS
I do not mean some of you, just my things about the origin of the word "barbarian"
PPS
My favorite "Barbarian" faction is Casse. (Slingers, Nude Celtic Warriors, Chariots, Island location, Ireland is near with it's super units, and so on)
athanaric
10-01-2009, 14:47
My favorite "Barbarian" faction is Casse. (Slingers, Nude Celtic Warriors, Chariots, Island location, Ireland is near with it's super units, and so on)
Ynys Mon with its "Druidic University" (sort of) is another very good reason to play the Casse - gameplay wise, it is better than Sparta.
Finn MacCumhail
10-01-2009, 14:59
Originally Posted by athanaric
Ynys Mon with its "Druidic University" (sort of) is another very good reason to play the Casse - gameplay wise, it is better than Sparta.
I double these. Also I forgot to mention that only Casse has scary general.
There is a big difference playing "Barbarians" and "Civilized". In the first case you have few money only to support one army, no stone walls to defend your country:wall:, no paved roads (for some factions)... These make you to value each mnai, each solder... Challenge!
IrishHitman
10-01-2009, 21:18
My favorite "Barbarian" faction is Casse. (Slingers, Nude Celtic Warriors, Chariots, Island location, Ireland is near with it's super units, and so on)
I've yet to use a single Irish unit due to my refusal to be a barbarian faction...
Finn MacCumhail
10-04-2009, 17:18
"I've yet to use a single Irish unit due to my refusal to be a barbarian faction..." - am I understand you correct? You have never played for Barbarian factions?:inquisitive: Why?
The mod calls the Europe of Barbarians, so how is it possible to avoid them?
retep219
10-05-2009, 04:27
Personally, I find Getai to be my favorite. Love their starting location, with easy access to rich Hellas. I also like their roster--deadly AP infantry and plentiful horse archers (if you go north quickly and take Chernonesos/Olbia) make for a great change from phalanxes. The Stratiotai "light phalanxes" can hold the line pretty well, too. In addition to all that, they get good missle infantry in the form of steppe archers (recruitable in Kallatis with a level 1 regional MIC, if I recall correctly) or Bosporan Heavy Archers if you, once again, take the Crimea. And you have two excellent javelin units if you are so inclined: Thraikioi Peltastai and Komatai Epilektoi. All in all, the only thing lacking from your roster is good heavy cavalry. You'll have to make do with horse archers and Thrakioi Prodromoi, which are excellent medium cavalry.
The roster (https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_getai_units.html)
Scipio Germanicus
10-09-2009, 03:58
My vote goes to the Getai. A good starting position, easy to reach the cities of Hellas, and the falx. Gotta love the falx. :2thumbsup:
WinsingtonIII
10-12-2009, 19:15
These "barbarian" polls always come down to Sweboz vs. Getai it seems.
Although the Sweboz are fun, I can never say no to the Getai. I still maintain that they have the most well-rounded roster of any "barbarian" faction, and maybe even of any faction in general.
team_kramnik
10-12-2009, 19:26
Well that's the problem with the Getai. My two campaigns with them both played out the same way. I take North and South Thrace. See all these brillant units. Can't decide. Start another campaign.
WinsingtonIII
10-13-2009, 20:46
Well that's the problem with the Getai. My two campaigns with them both played out the same way. I take North and South Thrace. See all these brillant units. Can't decide. Start another campaign.
haha I realize the vast variety of wonderful units can be overwhelming, but just take a couple deep breaths you'll be OK.
Don't bother deciding, just try them all, they're all good for something, and in my Getai campaigns I always manage to find some unfortunate faction to throw them at. Poor Makedonia, it's not that I have any problem with them, they just always seem to be in the way of Getai expansion...
IrishHitman
10-13-2009, 20:49
"I've yet to use a single Irish unit due to my refusal to be a barbarian faction..." - am I understand you correct? You have never played for Barbarian factions?:inquisitive: Why?
The mod calls the Europe of Barbarians, so how is it possible to avoid them?
I avoid them by playing Makedonia, Epirus, KH, or Romani.
Poor Makedonia, it's not that I have any problem with them, they just always seem to be in the way of Getai expansion...
Huh, Makedonia has always been the aggressor. Apparently they saw the Getai as sheep. What they found were daoi in sheep's clothing... :evilgrin:
the man with no name
10-14-2009, 03:42
These "barbarian" polls always come down to Sweboz vs. Getai it seems.
Although the Sweboz are fun, I can never say no to the Getai. I still maintain that they have the most well-rounded roster of any "barbarian" faction, and maybe even of any faction in general.Yup. But my vote ALWAYS goes to the Aedui.
Huh, Makedonia has always been the aggressor. Apparently they saw the Getai as sheep. What they found were daoi in sheep's clothing... :evilgrin:
lol
Oh how I hate the Sweboz! No matter many you seem to slaughter they always send stacks against you, even when their economy shouldn't be able to support any more armies. I've given up on who knows how Celtic games because of them arrrrgh! I thought I had them this time round, playing as the Casse I forced them all the way to the Baltic only to have their pesky Romani allies start slicing through my Helvetti lands.
IrishHitman
10-15-2009, 20:34
Oh how I hate the Sweboz! No matter many you seem to slaughter they always send stacks against you, even when their economy shouldn't be able to support any more armies. I've given up on who knows how Celtic games because of them arrrrgh! I thought I had them this time round, playing as the Casse I forced them all the way to the Baltic only to have their pesky Romani allies start slicing through my Helvetti lands.
Their stacks are near useless though :laugh4::laugh4:
That's true, they're mostly just levies.
WarpGhost
10-17-2009, 01:56
Im going to go with Getai; you have the opportunity to use the most distinctive barbarian factions against a veritable medley Steppe, Hellene, Roman, German, Baltic and Eastern cultures. Its a much more interesting and varied experience than the other barbarians (I find the others blur together a bit, with more shared units and largely superficial variations). Inter-barbarian warfare, like inter-Hellene, gets a bit stale after a while. Its a shame the Lusota are so isolated, they have the unique feel, but not the breadth of experience (only really a clash of cultures with Rome and Carthage).
I think the reason why the Arveni and the Aedui are low is because they are both very similar factions, and people can't decide which one they like better ;) Personally, the Sweboz are my favorite.
fomalhaut
04-18-2011, 19:37
Getai go! the wolves are coming for you, sweboz
not to mention like everyone else said, the campaign is probably the most well rounded, fun and diverse in the game. fighting Romans, Hellenes, Barbarians and Steppe nomads. Not to mention the ridiculous unit diversity and the fact that the fearsome Thracian Peltasts are as regular a unit as Hastati are to Romans.
* puts the getai ahead of the Sweboz *
I like the Getai for their variety, both variety of units and variety of opposition. You get reasonable defensive spearmen, excellent light infantry, unusual shock infantry, good horse and foot archers from your Scythian lands, a modicum of heavy cavalry, and a good pool of Greek mercenaries nearby. As for opposition there's the Hellenistic daidochi armies to the south, the steppe horse armies to the northeast, the celtic/germanic armies to the (north)west, and if you go over the sea some vaguely persian style opposition. So you end up using/facing many army compositions and a wide variety of tactics.
Not many factions are this interesting from the start. I think only Pontos really outdo them for variety (but not so much since 1.2). But if you play Pontos your game will always be about The Greys.
fomalhaut
04-21-2011, 01:51
not to mention their elite are maybe the coolest, the Orditon Agema is just a awesome unit all around.
TheLastDays
04-21-2011, 22:55
Casse!
Yeah, I voted Casse ;)
I just liked Britain since... I don't know when... probably gonna love the Pritanoi in EBII - They have a nice unit roster, those champions kick a** and their skirmishers are nice too :)
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