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comeandtakeit
09-07-2009, 13:20
I was puzzled why CA didn't put schooners into ETW. They were pretty common in the 18th century.
pevergreen
09-07-2009, 13:35
And awaaaay!
Fisherking
09-08-2009, 14:16
They have schooner and cutters in the game, they just call them sloops.

A sloop of the time was the smallest ship rigged vessel and was larger than a brig. Brigs had two masts and sloops had three. So if you like you can think of the sloops as anything but what they have named them.
Hermann the Lombard
09-08-2009, 18:43
They have schooner and cutters in the game, they just call them sloops.

A sloop of the time was the smallest ship rigged vessel and was larger than a brig. Brigs had two masts and sloops had three. So if you like you can think of the sloops as anything but what they have named them.
AFAIK the sloop of the time was schooner-rigged (or rather gaff-rigged or Bermuda-rigged) rather than ship-rigged, with anywhere from one to three masts, where as you say a brig was two-masted and ship-rigged. However it is fair to say that the term "sloop" was used sloppily (sorry) to describe the purpose of the vessel as much as the description of the vessel. Also, 18 guns would be a *very* heavily-armed sloop: 4 to 12 guns being more common. An example of a sloop is the famous (at the time) HMS Pickle of 6 guns.
Fisherking
09-08-2009, 19:30
The point I was trying to make was that a sloop was the smallest "Ship" in the royal navy. Brigs, cutters, ketches, schooners, etc. were not ships but vessels. The term Ship referred to the rigging of a vessel. Vessels of less than 18 guns were not skippered by a captain or even a commander, if memory serves...but were commanded by lieutenants.
Hermann the Lombard
09-09-2009, 03:28
Forgive my nit-picking! I mean no criticism. The nomenclature is complex and changed repeatedly before, during, and after the period of the game. In fact it gets truly mind-boggling later when the terminology included "ship sloops" of three masts and "brig sloops" of two masts


The point I was trying to make was that a sloop was the smallest "Ship" in the royal navy. Brigs, cutters, ketches, schooners, etc. were not ships but vessels. The term Ship referred to the rigging of a vessel. Vessels of less than 18 guns were not skippered by a captain or even a commander, if memory serves...but were commanded by lieutenants.
A1_Unit
09-09-2009, 23:56
The AUM mod adds cutters...