Battle Rabbis?

[Abokasee]

No this isn't a cheap Warhammer 40k Spin off this is a real thing I found recently:
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm)
Im aware the story was from September the 7th but I just felt it had to be brought it up.

Of course some would ask: "What is your point Abokasee? the last time you posted anything polictical at all it was to do with Renting houses via the use of sex!"

This time I do have a point, should religious figures (like Priests, Rabbis and such... although I always thaught priests were never meant to spill blood) actually be allowed into state armies? Of course its difficult to stop a extremely devout muslims from joining the Taliban and similar organisations (and most Imams I've heard from tend to 'denounce' or put away the extremists as people who are screwing it up for the rest of there kind)

So what would the backroom regulars have to say about this?

P.S: I always feel slightly uncomfortable posting in the Backroom, just like commenting on someones wall post that they left there Bra round someones house... you really really want to say something but you just don't.

[Tribesman]

Gott mit uns

[Whacker]

What in the world do you want goat mittens for?? :dizzy2:

[Abokasee]

I dunno, maybe a very primitive prostate exam?

[naut]

Jews in the Israeli Army? What a preposterous statement my good man!

Or am I missing the point completely?

[Abokasee]

Jews in the Israeli Army? What a preposterous statement my good man!

Or am I missing the point completely?


I was on about Rabbis and similar equivilants in particular.

[KukriKhan]

Gott mit uns

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition

[Reverend Joe]

Israel's army is changing. Once proudly secular, its combat units are now filling with those who believe Israel's wars are "God's wars".
That's the problem, I believe. When you start including God things generally get much uglier.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Do chaplains ofter do combat duty in Western armies? From my reading it appears that they can only legally fight in self-defence and are permitted to carry arms, though standard practice on this has differed.

I don't see the problem with more religious people in the Armed Forces. Israel has more Jews. America, Germany, Canada, and the UK have more Christians. Other countries have numbers of Muslims or atheists. People follow religions, and what are you going to do? Ban religious people from joining the army?

What's the saying? "There's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole."

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

And no, they don't fight. In the Army there is an MOS called "Chaplain's Assistant" who doubles as an assistant and a Body Guard.

:yes:

In my reading it said that the Geneva Conventions forbid them to fight, but not to carry arms, or something of that nature.

[Samurai Waki]

Well, its okay for Imams and Christian Priests to give spiritual guidance to the soldiers on the battlefield, I don't see why Rabbis can't. Actually, I'm quite surprised it took this long for Israel to accept Rabbis into the Army.

[Azathoth]

This time I do have a point, should religious figures (like Priests, Rabbis and such... although I always thaught priests were never meant to spill blood) actually be allowed into state armies? Of course its difficult to stop a extremely devout muslims from joining the Taliban and similar organisations (and most Imams I've heard from tend to 'denounce' or put away the extremists as people who are screwing it up for the rest of there kind)

During the Iran-Iraq War Iran used clerics extensively on the frontline to boost morale and monitor for unIslamic sentiment or defeatism. I think they actually fought, too, but can't remember for sure if they did.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, its okay for Imams and Christian Priests to give spiritual guidance to the soldiers on the battlefield, I don't see why Rabbis can't. Actually, I'm quite surprised it took this long for Israel to accept Rabbis into the Army.

Traditionally though, Priests are strictly forbidden from fighting on pain of Excomunication. In reality, most priests in the medieval era loaded up on armour and carried a mace or "Bishop's knocker", which is basically a Morningstar without the spikes.

A priest is forbidden to spill blood, but if a man dies while you are "chastising" him with ablunt weapon that's ok. Of course, not all Chaplins are priests.

[Azathoth]

A priest is forbidden to spill blood, but if a man dies while you are "chastising" him with ablunt weapon that's ok. Of course, not all Chaplins are priests.

What if you smash open a guy's skull and blood comes out?

[Centurion1]

Traditionally though, Priests are strictly forbidden from fighting on pain of Excomunication. In reality, most priests in the medieval era loaded up on armour and carried a mace or "Bishop's knocker", which is basically a Morningstar without the spikes.

A priest is forbidden to spill blood, but if a man dies while you are "chastising" him with ablunt weapon that's ok. Of course, not all Chaplins are priests.

all true. you have to remember who priests were at this time. They were almost all younger noble sons who mayvery well have been forced into the priesthood even though they may have been fighters. so of course they were in many conflicts. there are many medieval bishops who were notoriously good fighters. and i mean they kicked some $@$

[Husar]

Gott mit uns

:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

I don't think having rabbis like chaplains in the army is a bad thing, the guys in the video seem to have very questionable motives though.

[Tribesman]

I don't think having rabbis like chaplains in the army is a bad thing, the guys in the video seem to have very questionable motives though.
Thats the real issue isn't it though , the IDF is already having problems with discipline and troops refusing to follow orders, the last thing it needs is spiritual mentors who have their own version of gott mit uns und Lebensraum.
So Rabbis in the army , no problem. Crazy Rabbis in the army , big problem

[ajaxfetish]

This time I do have a point, should religious figures (like Priests, Rabbis and such... although I always thaught priests were never meant to spill blood) actually be allowed into state armies?
My church has a lay clergy, with almost all males inducted into the priesthood as teenagers. If we're to be allowed to serve in the military at all, either our 'religious figures' would have to be admitted or it would just be our women. :kiss2:


And no, they don't fight. In the Army there is an MOS called "Chaplain's Assistant" who doubles as an assistant and a Body Guard.
My little sister put in two years of service as a Chaplain's Assistant. :2thumbsup:

Ajax

[Major Robert Dump]

Army Chaplains have to go through all the same basic combat training as everyone else, BCT, OCS, PLDC or whatever route they choose. So in theory, they are "trained to fight," as well, they just aren't supposed to fight (they get an armed escort: the covted chaplains assistant MOS) and are considered noncombatants, for various ethical and international reasons (none of which, I might add, keeps them from getting killed or executed if captured by our wonderful enemies)

The real question about the Battle Rabbis is: Do they get any cool spells? Any HOTS or DOTS or BUFFS. AND CAN THEYS REZ?

[Whacker]

The real question about the Battle Rabbis is: Do they get any cool spells? Any HOTS or DOTS or BUFFS. AND CAN THEYS REZ?

Do you think they'd tell you if they did? How many people love sitting there and listening to every dorknozzle in the vicinity yelling "HEAL PLZ" every .001 seconds? :no:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

What if you smash open a guy's skull and blood comes out?

If its an accident it can only be a venal sin, you need a guilty intent to sin mortally.


all true. you have to remember who priests were at this time. They were almost all younger noble sons who mayvery well have been forced into the priesthood even though they may have been fighters. so of course they were in many conflicts. there are many medieval bishops who were notoriously good fighters. and i mean they kicked some $@$

Some were, some weren't. The great majority of priests were either poor but brilliant, and therfore became well-off, or poor and stupid and sayed poor.

Generally speaking, you could find something better for your sons to do; unless you had a guilty conciensce and needed the prayers.

[Centurion1]

^ and about 90% of men had plenty of mortal sins that needed forgiving.....:clown:

[Cute Wolf]

And most of you forget those awesome Norse War Clerics in M2TW..... I upgrade m churches here just to get them as quickly as possible, the favour of pope is just the bonus.... :laugh4:

Seriously, If they are here to boost morale, the best way is slam a few head opened up..... or else your lads start saying you're cowards...:thumbsup:

[macsen rufus]

:oops: mis-read the thread title. Thought it was a Monty Python discussion...


... not Battle Rabbits after all :embarassed:

[Hooahguy]

:oops: mis-read the thread title. Thought it was a Monty Python discussion...


... not Battle Rabbits after all :embarassed:
eh, forget monty python. i was thinking Mel Brooks.
"see... JEWS in SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Vladimir]

That's the problem, I believe. When you start including God things generally get much uglier.

No.

Stop blaming "God" for the acts of man. It's a scapegoat used by pseudointellectuals to shield themselves from the harsh reality that we are all capable of committing cruelty.

When you include people who believe violence is justified by God, things generally get much uglier.