Hannibal Barca [Archive]

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

09-25-2009, 22:24

Is Hannibal Barca coded into being born to Hamilcar Barca in EB? It is 246 bc in my campaign and no sign of him. Hamilcar is married and in a major city.

No, because if Hamilcar was away that night he never would have been born. The only characters that ever appear are those already alive at start-date.

-Praetor-

09-25-2009, 22:24

Nope, only coded Carthie Character I know of is Xanthippos.

And Naravas.

But to the OP, no, Hannibal Barca isn't scripted to pop-up in EB, and neither will he in EBII.

You could attempt to create a Hannibal though, by tweaking the EBBS script.

Tanit

09-25-2009, 23:01

I once had a Hannibal born to Hamilcar by pure chance in a Carthie campaign. I of course trained him up, gave him good soldiers and sent him to Italy, since I was already at war with them. He fought a massive battle versus almost twice as many Romans. At the moment when it looked like the enemy was going to break the Punic line he countercharged through the Punic Ranks and routed the entire enemy army, rersulting in a Heroic victory and a famous battle mark on the map. Sadly Hannibal perished in the very instant of his glory, dieing on a Roman spear as his cavalry hit the enemy line, so sad. Hamilcar was much more impressive in that campaign, conquering Sicily and all of Egypt.

team_kramnik

09-26-2009, 02:01

I thought the Hamilcar at gamestart to be this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilcar_%28Drepanum%29

Isn't Hamilcar Barca being born about 275 a bit young to command armies in 272?

-Praetor-

09-26-2009, 03:21

The guy at Lilibaeum is the father of the famous Hamalcar Barca. The father of Hannibal is like 3 years old at the mod's starting year.

ziegenpeter

09-26-2009, 10:22

And Naravas.
You could attempt to create a Hannibal though, by tweaking the EBBS script.

Sorry for the OT and its not a rethorical question: Isnt the S in EBBS for "script"?

Lysimachos

09-26-2009, 11:42

Sorry for the OT and its not a rethorical question: Isnt the S in EBBS for "script"?

Yes, it is: Europa Barbarorum Background Script. Nitpicker! :laugh4:

Zarax

09-26-2009, 12:39

Hamilcar is a much more interesting character imho, it's like playing macedon with Philip II.
Very much like Alexander, Hannibal went to war with the war machine his father built.

-Praetor-

09-26-2009, 15:51

Hamilcar is a much more interesting character imho, it's like playing macedon with Philip II.
Very much like Alexander, Hannibal went to war with the war machine his father built.

Can't agree more. It's interesting how both (Hannibal and Hamalcar) had a knack at operating behind enemy lines, surrounded with enemies and with scarce or no supply lines to a friendly territory, and still were able to do tremendous damage to their opponents.

Sorry for the OT and its not a rethorical question: Isnt the S in EBBS for "script"?

Yesss. Sorry about that, mister acronym. :shifty:

:clown: :grin:

Osteles

09-26-2009, 16:34

And Naravas.

But to the OP, no, Hannibal Barca isn't scripted to pop-up in EB, and neither will he in EBII.

You could attempt to create a Hannibal though, by tweaking the EBBS script.

Interesting...
How does one do that?

-Praetor-

09-26-2009, 17:26

Osteles

09-27-2009, 19:33

Well, you could copy the Naravas paragraph inside the EBBS, and do the following:

-Change the conditionals for the character to pop-up, and adapt them for Hannibal. Pay special attention to the year.
-Change the age of the spawned character.
-Add the corresponding traits to the spawned character, like the expert recruiter, or the good tactician or gifted leader or whatever you want.
-Change the coordenates where you want him to spawn.

Test it by altering momentarily the year to 271, so that you can test these changes.

Changes in the EBBS are save-game compatible BTW. :2thumbsup:

Cool; thanks a lot mate!!!!!!!!

Some more questions though:
Can I just paste it at the end of the file?
What are the coordinates of New Carthage, thats where I want him to spawn?
What code do I have to give to make his bodyguard Sacred band? (or even cooler; but so unhistorical, Cataphracts :D)?
And if I got it correctly: turn 4 is 271 BC, turn 8 270, ... no?

-Praetor-

09-27-2009, 19:45

#1) I think so.
#2) In the strategy map, hover the cursor over the place you want to know the coordenates, open up the console, and type "show_cursorstat". Don't spawn him *inside* Mastia (thats the town that was to become Carthago Nova), rather spawn him in the adjacent tile. Doing otherwise will generate weird results.
#3) Look for the internal name of the Sacred Band cavalry into the appropiate files, I don't know which one are those BTW.
#4) Correct.

PS: Once you get it working, try uploading the script into the unnofficial EB modding section, for it's bound to get popular. A lot of people have been asking for Hannibal Barca to appear via script these days...

DaciaJC

09-27-2009, 19:53

#2) In the strategy map, hover the cursor over the place you want to know the coordenates, open up the console, and type "show_cursorstat". Don't spawn him *inside* Mastia (thats the town that was to become Carthago Nova), rather spawn him in the adjacent tile. Doing otherwise will generate weird results.

Just to clarify, you open the command console with ~ and type show_cursorstat
No quotation marks.

Osteles

10-18-2009, 15:30

Can anyone get it to work, I cant seem to find it...

Subotan

10-18-2009, 18:54

IIRC, someone once saw an AI Qarthadast get a Hannibal Barca, then (No Joke) sent him on a rampage in Southern Italy, and he captured all the cities in the region. I have no idea if he took Rome, but I kinda hope that he did.

anubis88

10-19-2009, 11:16

Sorry to be off topic, but who the hell is Naravas?!?!.
I've played many games as Carthage and never seen him? is he supossed to be the dude that helped carthage in the Mercenary war? how can you get him?

Zarax

10-19-2009, 11:32

Naravanas was a numidian prince that greatly helped Hamilcar Barca during the truceless war.
In return for his services he got married into the barcids.

Basically, he was an early Massinissa.

anubis88

10-19-2009, 11:46

Well someone said that he could be triggered like Xanthippos... So what are those triggers? Does he have GLMDTK as body guards?

IrishHitman

10-19-2009, 12:06

Hamilcar is a much more interesting character imho, it's like playing macedon with Philip II.
Very much like Alexander, Hannibal went to war with the war machine his father built.

Philip was a much more cautious commander than Alexander, as shown by the fact his main general was Parmenio, who was similarly cautious. Alexander supposedly disregarded Parmenio on quite a few occasions, or so says Arrian via Ptolemy.

It can also be argued that Alexander's model was different to Philip's in certain ways, more heavily armoured Hetairoi being one of them.

I don't think you should demean or make "interesting" comments on Alexander or Hannibal just because they didn't create the model of army they utilised....

anubis88

10-19-2009, 12:10

Still, before Phillip reformed the army, Macedon was just a small kingdom, nothing alse.... Under Philip it became the second strongest nation after Persia

Zarax

10-19-2009, 12:53

Philip was a much more cautious commander than Alexander, as shown by the fact his main general was Parmenio, who was similarly cautious. Alexander supposedly disregarded Parmenio on quite a few occasions, or so says Arrian via Ptolemy.

It can also be argued that Alexander's model was different to Philip's in certain ways, more heavily armoured Hetairoi being one of them.

I don't think you should demean or make "interesting" comments on Alexander or Hannibal just because they didn't create the model of army they utilised....

I'm not demeaning either of them, it's just that both Hamilcar and Philip are too often undersevedly shadowed by their children's fame.
Still the fact is that neither Alex or Hannibal, both brilliant tacticians, could have done what they did without their parents work done before.

In both cases they of course improved on the base but at the same time inherithed a well-drilled, veteran army.
They most likely would have still done great things even without such a base but it would have taken them much longer if they had to start from scratch.

As you can see from my signature I'm for sure not biased against Hannibal, however at the same time Scipio deserves much respect well before facing him as he was the one that had to take a relatively fresh army and reform it on the fly.

The so-called "marian" reforms have in reality been started by Scipio in many ways as he was the first one to sistematically innovate from the classic H-P-T system to a more dynamic one.

If you want a fresh view on the subject I suggest Dexter Hoyos' Hannibal's Dynasty which covers pretty well what Hamilcar did.

IrishHitman

10-19-2009, 14:01

If you want a fresh view on the subject I suggest Dexter Hoyos' Hannibal's Dynasty which covers pretty well what Hamilcar did.

Thanks, I'll have a look online for a copy.

By the way, what is your Extended Cultures sig about?

G. Septimus

10-19-2009, 14:24

Still, before Phillip reformed the army, Macedon was just a small kingdom, nothing alse.... Under Philip it became the second strongest nation after Persia

hmmm...
your right, When alexander was king, Macedon was the strongest, after macedon fell, came the Diadochi era. The Diadochi were finished by the Romans. the last Diadochi, the Ptolemic Dynasty was finished by Octavius Julius Caesar. then Rome became No.1:2thumbsup:

Zarax

10-19-2009, 14:34

Thanks, I'll have a look online for a copy.

By the way, what is your Extended Cultures sig about?

It's a mod I'm developing, sort of a crossover between EB and XGM with some pretty unique features like carthaginian senate and rebellious seleucid satrapies.

IrishHitman

10-19-2009, 14:36

It's a mod I'm developing, sort of a crossover between EB and XGM with some pretty unique features like carthaginian senate and rebellious seleucid satrapies.

How far is it from completion?

Will it have coded generals, unlike EB?

anubis88

10-19-2009, 14:36

It's a mod I'm developing, sort of a crossover between EB and XGM with some pretty unique features like carthaginian senate and rebellious seleucid satrapies.

Ok, sorry but this sounds AWESOME... two of my favourite factions,...

P.S. Please tell me how can i get Naravas:yes:

IrishHitman

10-19-2009, 14:41

Ok, sorry but this sounds AWESOME... two of my favourite factions,...
They're two of my favourite factions as well... favourites to destroy, that is!

G. Septimus

10-19-2009, 14:42

Is Navaras that awsome???

They're two of my favourite factions as well... favourites to destroy, that is!
I agree with you!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah!!!
Crush them!!!!:smash::laugh4:

Zarax

10-19-2009, 14:52

Ok, to close the OT:

It's in version 4 Alpha, hoping to have it done by the end of the year.
The only "coded" generals are those already playing at game start, as there is no script you won't get suprise ones appearing.

If you want to know more either PM me or head at TWC, this is hardly the place for this.

About Naravas, I'm not sure it's present in EB1, some team member with longer experience than me can fill in.
IF it's there then you get him most likely in case of rebellion in africa.

Atilius

10-19-2009, 15:57

About Naravas, I'm not sure it's present in EB1, some team member with longer experience than me can fill in.He's there. It's just that he appears only under very unlikely circumstances. Kirtan must be eleutheroi controlled and the date must be between ~245 BC and ~224 BC.

anubis88

10-19-2009, 17:44

I've never taken Kirtan as Carthage, but i don't remember having him...

Tanit

10-19-2009, 19:50

Kirta, aka Sardinia. Carthage starts with it.

Atilius

10-19-2009, 21:25

I neglected to mention that Kart-Hadast (or Atiqa?) must also be under siege.

Kirta, aka Sardinia. Carthage starts with it.Lower your dosage, my friend, that's Karali.

anubis88

10-19-2009, 21:45

I neglected to mention that Kart-Hadast (or Atiqa?) must also be under siege.

Lower your dosage, my friend, that's Karali.

Thanks for the backup... I thought i was going insane for a moment...

Macilrille

10-19-2009, 21:55

hmmm...
your right, When alexander was king, Macedon was the strongest, after macedon fell, came the Diadochi era. The Diadochi were finished by the Romans. the last Diadochi, the Ptolemic Dynasty was finished by Octavius Julius Caesar. then Rome became No.1:2thumbsup:

I beg to differ, Rome was Nr 1 from the moment the 2nd Punic War was over. Try googling "Gaius Popillius Laenas" and see how Rome could dictate events between the Diadochii as it pleased in 168 BC. The events leading up to the 2nd Macedonian War was very similar as the Romans basically told Phillip to desist or face them. Phillip was astounded, a Rome exhausted by the long war and terrible losses against Hannibal making demands of him!! The King of Macedonia!! Alexander's heir!!! Messing in events in Greece, outside its traditional sphere of interest.

As you know he foolishly persisted and the rest is, as they say, history...

Tanit

10-19-2009, 21:59

I neglected to mention that Kart-Hadast (or Atiqa?) must also be under siege.

Lower your dosage, my friend, that's Karali.

That is what less than three hours of sleep does to you! :2thumbsup:

Osteles

11-15-2009, 11:48

Has anyone already succeeded in modding him in?

seienchin

11-15-2009, 17:53

I think its actually quite strange, that you have Xanthippos in EB, but not Hannibal Caesar or anybody else...:book::book::book:

antisocialmunky

11-15-2009, 17:56

Because they were in the pre-fetus stage of nonexistence.

Leão magno

11-17-2009, 19:29

I once had a Hannibal born to Hamilcar by pure chance in a Carthie campaign. .

Me too. But it hapenned more then twice. Im my new campaing Hamilcar (a great general as usual), is childless.

seienchin

11-18-2009, 11:28

Because they were in the pre-fetus stage of nonexistence.

You dont get my point.
I doubt Xanthippos was born in 272bc. Its just that the EB team has a lot of historical characters pop in, but none of the more famous ones.:book:

anubis88

11-18-2009, 11:38

Of course he was born at that time. What do you think Carthage employed the services of a teenage Spartan?!?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Ludens

11-18-2009, 12:44

You dont get my point.
I doubt Xanthippos was born in 272bc. Its just that the EB team has a lot of historical characters pop in, but none of the more famous ones.:book:

Maybe we are talking about a different Xanthippos? The one in EB appears within two decades, and he cannot have been that young. The Carthaginians wouldn't have hired just anyone, so obviously he already was a famous mercenary commander before serving Carthage.

antisocialmunky

11-18-2009, 15:37

Of course he was born at that time. What do you think Carthage employed the services of a teenage Spartan?!?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

They would have if he was exposed but climbed back up the cliff and murdered 100 Athenians.

But that's beside the point.

Basically what Ludens said, only people who were alive or conceived in Spring 272 exist in EB. There's no guaranteeing if Hamilcar's Hannibal sperm would make the long trek across the Uterus Range before conquering the Fallopian Peninsula at 272...

seleucus1nicator

08-19-2011, 08:11

hannibal knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it. -maharbal
hannibal was 1 of the greatest generals, absolutely. But i Alexander the great was better i think.

anubis88

08-19-2011, 09:35

hannibal knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it. -maharbal
hannibal was 1 of the greatest generals, absolutely. But i Alexander the great was better i think.

Wat?

Titus Marcellus Scato

08-19-2011, 13:55

hannibal knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it. -maharbal
hannibal was 1 of the greatest generals, absolutely. But i Alexander the great was better i think.

Hannibal was only a general. Alexander was both general and king. Alexander had all of Macedonia supporting him throughout his campaigns. Hannibal had very little support from Carthage, but only local support from allied tribes in Spain, Gaul, and Italy. So Alexander achieved more because he had more resources. Plus Persia was easier to defeat than Rome.