100 years war

[ShadesWolf]

Im currently in the process of updating and moving to a new domain my 100 years war web site

Take a look and tell me what you think
http://www.100yearswar.co.uk/

[Sjakihata]

Very nice indeed it is...

keep up the good work..!

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[ShadesWolf]

Does nobody out there find the 100 years war interesting ?

[Jagger]

I have almost finished "The Hundred Years War" by Desmond Seward. Excellent book. I think I finally understand why the French hate the English so much. Those chevauchees were ugly.

Also you have a very nice site!! I just added it to my Medieval Favorites sites.

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[ShadesWolf]

Do you have the ISBN number for that, I will give it a look.

Im currently looking at about 4/5 books on the subject

Arms, Armies and Fortifications in the 100 years war, is a very good book - ISBN 0851157556 - Anne Curry

The hundred years war - Robin Neillands - ISBN 0415261309 is also a good read.

Osprey do a number of books on the subject:

French armies of the 100 years war
Armies of Crecy and poitiers
Agincourt.

However, a must to read is Joan of Arc – A military leader by Kelly Devries (ISBN 0-7509-1805-5) - This is a very good book, I couldnt put it down
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Quote I think I finally understand why the French hate the English so much. Those chevauchees were ugly. [/QUOTE]

It is quite interesting, the war was caused in part by the fact that a french faction invaded england in 1066, so initially they were the cause. If this had not happened the English Kings would not have had a claim on the French throne. Also dont forget finally the War turned into a French Cival war (Bugundy)

Another interesting point is Gascony was part of England for a long time with very little problems.... There is tons of info about the war which the French authorities wont release/ translate. This details everyday life etc..... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

HOWEVER, I find this whole campaign truely interesting



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[Jagger]

Shadeswolf,

Here is the ISBN number for Desmond Stewards "Hundred Years War":0-689-10919-9.

I highly recommend it. A lot of detail and the author just as an enjoyable way of telling the story.

[ShadeFlanders]

Wolf, I could do the sum-up for the Roosebeecke battle if you want. After all it was the Flemish (and no englishmen) that were slaughtered there.

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[BertrandDuGuesclin]

I'm missing the battle of Cocherel were I was victorious http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif.

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[Alrowan]

Well ive just read the "Nameless Day" by sara douglass.. a great spin on the hundred years war, although it is only partly fact. gotta read the other two books in the series now

[dclare4]

Check out THE AGE OF PLANTAGENET AND VALOIS - interesting overview and lots of data and nuts and bolts stuff, particularly if you want to mod it for MTW.

Gilbert de Clare

[Ferocious Imbecile]

Quote Originally posted by ShadesWolf:
Does nobody out there find the 100 years war interesting ?[/QUOTE]

I'm a big fan of the painting of the Limbourg Brothers and all the other artists patronized by Jean duc de Berry, the great Valois Maecenas. I also admire the Henry V produced during WWII by Lord Olivier which used many of the Limbourg's paintings in its design. I want to join the chorus of praise for your excellent site; I've just added it to My Favorites and will be visiting it often. Thank you.

[ShadesWolf]

talking about modding.......

Im currently working on a 100 years wars online campaign.......
http://pub73.ezboard.com/fonerorderofomissionsfrm6

tell me what u think ?

[The Knight 2100]

Jaggar, I'm working on that book too, I'm almost done with the part where he talks about Richard II.

I find the Hundred Years War quit interesting, it had collosal battlles, almost like something out of fiction, and leaders who were again almost out of fiction.

I think the Hundred Years War started more as a personal vendetta between Edward III, and Philip VI.

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[ShadesWolf]

Jagger

Is this a hard back or a paper back ?

[Richard the Slayer]

I'm a big "fan" of the Hundred Years War, if thats possible. Unfortunately most of the sources are from English eyes, I havnt found that many sources on translated French views in battles - this would lend a whole new perspective to the war. Afterall the French managed to win some decisive victories against the English and these tend to be overlooed because of the infamous longbowman victories. MTW let me down in the HYW arena but possibly the expansion will include actual campaign map of france and england. You never know!

[Richard the Slayer]

P.S. the osprey campaign series has the best overall presentation of famous battles from any period - they have titles on agincourt (have that one, very good), crecy, and poitiers. check out the osprey campaign series books if you havnt already.

[ShadesWolf]

I have these book slayer and they are excellent...

The fRench armies of the 100 years war is a good one.

BTW they have a new one coming out, written by Anne Curry about the 100 years war. (I think its anne curry)

[ShadesWolf]

I have found an excellent time line site on the 100 years war
http://www.maisonstclaire.org/timeline/timeline.html

You can tell the creator has spent a lot of time researching this

[Shahed]

FANTASTIC SITE !!

Thx for putting all that up ! Great Work !

[ShadesWolf]

For all you book worms, there is an excellent chapter in ' Medieval Warfare - A history' edited by Maurice Keen CN4446 (Oxford University Press)

The chapter is titles ' The age of the Hundred years War' - Clifford J Rogers.

It traces the development of European warfare from 1302 ( When the French cav were thought to be the best army in the world) to their re-emergence at the end of the 100 years war as a major military power. It talks about the differint natures of the war, the tactics and the reasons behind the tactics. It a very good read and well worth a visit to your local library to order a copy of.

[Azrael]

Hey,

Just had a quick glance at the site. Looks very good.

Had a quick look at the battle of Agincourt. You make no mention of the English artillery. This was one of the first battles to see the use of "cannon type" (is probably the best word for it - history teaches these devices were fairly unreliable) weapons, though to be fair, I don't think these devices played as significant a part in the battle as the state of the advancing French, the weather and terrain conditions, and influence of the English Longbowmen.

Will check out the site in more detail in future. Thanks for the link.

Azrael

[deejayvee]

Quote[/b] ]Originally posted by Richard the Slayer:
Unfortunately most of the sources are from English eyes, I havnt found that many sources on translated French views in battles
Have you read Froissart? He interviewed people from Scotland down to Burgundy so had a fairly broad perspective of the war. Froissart's chronicles are one of the best near-contemporary sources on the 100 years war.

Quote[/b] ]Originally posted by Azrael:
Had a quick look at the battle of Agincourt. You make no mention of the English artillery. This was one of the first battles to see the use of "cannon type"
It was at Crecy that Edward III used the first cannon in open battle. I don't believe Henry V had any cannon at Agincourt and I don't think the French did either.

[ShadesWolf]

I agree deejayvee, I dont think cannon were at Agincourt either,

However, I will check my big book on Agincourt on the subject and see what they think http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ShadeFlanders]

Citaat[/b] (Azrael @ Nov. 14 2002,02:04)] You make no mention of the English artillery. This was one of the first battles to see the use of "cannon type" (is probably the best word for it - history teaches these devices were fairly unreliable) weapons, though to be fair, I don't think these devices played as significant a part in the battle as the state of the advancing French, the weather and terrain conditions, and influence of the English Longbowmen.


Azrael
Cannons (well, bombards at least) were used at the battle of Westrozebeke by the Flemish, and that was already 1382.

[Azrael]

Hey Guys,

Shades, let me know what your big book of Agincourt says (even better, let me know the title and author).

I had a presentation to do on the battle of Agincourt in College, and it was during my research for this that I came accross the mention of these artillery peices being used. It stuck in my head, as I thought it was too early for cannon, but the description of these things (cannon is not the right word) did state that they were a bit like MI Genadiers (just as much chance of blowing yourself up as the enemy - ever seen a U.S. Forces Claymore Mine? Comes with a handy little notice "Face This Towards Enemy").

Let me know what you find. It's possible that I came accross some "unreliable" scholarship. This was at College, after all, not University.

Looking forward to your reply.

Azrael

[ShadesWolf]

With reference to cannons, I know they were in the campaign, because the campaign included the siege of harfleur.

But in the actual battle i dont think they were..

I dont know what happened to them

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Azrael

Ive sent u a message with the book info in it

[Azrael]

Thanks Shades Wolf,

I'll look into that book.

Just before I received your e-mail, I just typed in "agincourt" and "gunpowder" as a Google search.

There are many sites that claim gunpowder based artillery were used in the battle of Agincourt.

Possibly the success of the English Longbowmen eclipsed the part such "cannon" (it's still not the right word), played in this particular battle.

Either way, from what I remember from College, and what is suggested by these casual "hits" I found in the search (I have no idea on the schollarly merit of any of these sites, I glanced through some of them quickly), there is a basis for suspecting that gunpowder based artillery was used at the battle of Agincourt.

How much does it matter? There or not, it wasn't gunpowder that won the battle of Agincourt. That much is clear.

Azrael

[ShadesWolf]

Azrael

You hsve now got me very interested...

You say you are doing a presentation on Agincourt at college..

where do u come from and what course are you studying ?

[Azrael]

Alas,

This History Presentation is History. I graduated Highschool in 1990 so the course was somewhere between then and 1992. One of my History classes for my Liberal Arts Diploma at College. After that it was McGill University in Montreal. I'm afraid I'm all grown up now, though my interest in both History and English Lit hasn't waned.

One thing I learned about at University was "bad scholarship". i.e. you've got to be really careful about the sources you get your information from.

Some "scholars", though they've written a book on the subject, wouldn't know a longbowmen's arrow if it struck them squarley in the @ss. You can usually rely on your professors to guide you in this (For anyone in University who doesn't know this already - That's why your Professors expect you to meet with them and discuss your plans for proposed Papers - Take advantage of it&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Just in case, when I mentioned about the use of gunpowder weapons at Agincourt, I hoped that you would find it something interesting. I wasn't trying to be a "cleverclogs".

I loved my Medieval History course, and because the Battle of Agincourt is one of my favourites, I guess it stuck in my head.

Are you at College or University now? What are you studying?

I'm interested to know.

Azrael

[ShadesWolf]

Ive just got a couple of good books.....

Fiction

Bernard Cornwell
-- Harlequin
-- Vagabond

These books are in the 100 years war period,
contents cover in book one
Brittany
Normandy
Crecy

Historical

The Knights Triumphant
by Stephen Turnbull

The book cover the high middle ages 1314-1485 and has large section on the 100 years war.

and finally

Longbow
by Robert Hardy

Excellent book on the Longbow