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Hey Guys,
Besides my ex, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone nastier than Ilsa Koch.
She was a German Concentration Camp Commander's wife in the Second World War.
She popularised the production of "specialist" book bindings and lamp shades made from the human skin of dead jews.
Tatood skin was the most sought after for the added decorative effects.
What are your nominations?
Azrael
Maybe Liz Bathory, but taking under account that behind every great man is hiddibg a great woman, it should be either Eua Brown or mrs Stalin (was there one?).
...and if we concider mythology I should give my vote to Klytaimnistra, the wife of Agamemnon.
Rosacrux
12-04-2002, 13:54
Eve http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
PFJ_bejazuz
12-04-2002, 14:13
Thatcher
A.Saturnus
12-04-2002, 14:36
Bathory, how many did she kill? 300 or so, I think
Negative
12-04-2002, 15:39
Who was Liz Bathory?
Ilsa Koch was a pretty twisted bitch.
Theres been many female child killers aswell that aren't particular 'good'- Myra Hindley, Rose West
The Scourge
12-04-2002, 18:27
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,06:00)]...and if we concider mythology I should give my vote to Klytaimnistra, the wife of Agamemnon.
Why Klytaimistra? Considering the fact that Agamemnon sacrificed thier daughter to get the winds to favour the Greek fleet,I'd say the Bastard had it comming.
BlackWatch McKenna
12-04-2002, 18:35
Madam Pompadour.
What did Madame Pompadour do ?
Michiel de Ruyter
12-04-2002, 20:08
Elizabeth Bathory.
Countess Elizabeth Bathory (c 1560-1614) was a Hungerian countess (IIRC actually distantly related to the royal family), and her uncle was King of Poland, and her father was Prince of Transylvania. She developed a taste for blood and sadistic cruelty that paled those of her husband and of Vlad Tepes, Count of Wallachia (the one usually identified with Dracula). She was the one who bathed in the blood of virgins, let her servant girls serve and walk around naked, often tortured herself, poured water or honey over them and then pinned them to the ground oustide (to freeze or be devoured by insects)... As she ran out of fresh peasant girls in the area of Csejthe Castle (her main residence) she started to prey on girls of the lesser nobility. Eventually a clergyman brought this to the King of Hungary (already 600+ girls were murdered) when Elizabeth got slopy, who send Elizabeths cousin to investigate. When he arrived at her castle, he was appaled seeing the bodies of all the tortured girls (some even still alive, with dozens of holes in them) and had Elizabeth and her accomplices arrested. He found a list at her desk with the names of more then 650 girls in it.
At a show trial, in 1611, she was sentenced to be walled into one of the towers of Csejthe Castle untill she died, with only one small home to prvide fresh air and food (her noble birth prevented that she would be sentenced to death). She died in 1614, while here accomplices were sentenced to various horrible deaths... The tower she was walled into still stands among the ruins of Csejthe Castle in present day Slovakia.
She was probably the base for the legends that Bram Stoker used when he wrote Dracula
edit This information was taken from a website, that I had visited before (especially for the details)..
Ah- I think I saw a Hammer Horror film based on her http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
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w00t I got new icon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Quote[/b] (The Scourge @ Dec. 04 2002,19:27)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,06:00)]...and if we concider mythology I should give my vote to Klytaimnistra, the wife of Agamemnon.
Why Klytaimistra? Considering the fact that Agamemnon sacrificed thier daughter to get the winds to favour the Greek fleet,I'd say the Bastard had it comming.
Right. I should say Midia, who killed both her childs, or maybe Hera, the goddess. But then again if I will start searching the pantheons I will come up to Kali. I still vote for Bathory though.
ShadeFlanders
12-05-2002, 10:27
Citaat[/b] (Michiel de Ruyter @ Dec. 04 2002,19:08)]Elizabeth Bathory.
Countess Elizabeth Bathory (c 1560-1614) was a Hungerian countess (IIRC actually distantly related to the royal family), and her uncle was King of Poland, and her father was Prince of Transylvania. She developed a taste for blood and sadistic cruelty that paled those of her husband and of Vlad Tepes, Count of Wallachia (the one usually identified with Dracula). She was the one who bathed in the blood of virgins, let her servant girls serve and walk around naked, often tortured herself, poured water or honey over them and then pinned them to the ground oustide (to freeze or be devoured by insects)... As she ran out of fresh peasant girls in the area of Csejthe Castle (her main residence) she started to prey on girls of the lesser nobility. Eventually a clergyman brought this to the King of Hungary (already 600+ girls were murdered) when Elizabeth got slopy, who send Elizabeths cousin to investigate. When he arrived at her castle, he was appaled seeing the bodies of all the tortured girls (some even still alive, with dozens of holes in them) and had Elizabeth and her accomplices arrested. He found a list at her desk with the names of more then 650 girls in it.
At a show trial, in 1611, she was sentenced to be walled into one of the towers of Csejthe Castle untill she died, with only one small home to prvide fresh air and food (her noble birth prevented that she would be sentenced to death). She died in 1614, while here accomplices were sentenced to various horrible deaths... The tower she was walled into still stands among the ruins of Csejthe Castle in present day Slovakia.
She was probably the base for the legends that Bram Stoker used when he wrote Dracula
I think we have winner
Empress Dowager Cixi the last powerful monarch of china, she executed ppl who leaked the recipe of her meals (exotic foods all over china), ruthless towards political enemies, wasted the country's resources for a summer palace isntead of rebuilding royal navy, the list goes on.
Lord_Lenny
12-07-2002, 13:56
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,05:58)]or mrs Stalin (was there one?).
yes indeed there was a Mrs. Stalin (or more correctly Mrs. Djugashvilli) i'm not sure of her name but they did have (at least) two children, a son (forgot the name) was captured and executed by the Germans in WW2 and a daughter, Svetlana who defected to the British (i think, not entirely positive but i think it was) in the 50's/60's (or some post-war date.
rasoforos
12-07-2002, 14:02
i believe klytaimnistra was bitchier than medea. Medea did what she did while she was in rage , on the other hand klytaimnistra killed agamamnon after she planned him , not to mention cheating him for 10 years ( imagine the size of agamamnon's horns when he returned)
solypsist
12-07-2002, 19:29
In American history, is has to be Malinche, the woman who helped the conquistadors befriend other Mexicas, which lead to the fall of the Aztec empire. She had personal reasons for doing so.
BRITANY SPEARS
she killed my dog... her songs convince 10 year old girls to become ho's, ad promote sex and imorality in our already screwed up world... hell why not throw Madonna in there as well
you want evil, just think of the most innocent thing, cause they are "not that innocent" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
rasoforos
12-08-2002, 06:47
whats wrong with promoting sex? i mean...osama bin laden would find it wrong but me? no
Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Dec. 07 2002,23:47)]whats wrong with promoting sex? i mean...osama bin laden would find it wrong but me? no
im more talking about that it promotes sex to 10 year olds and such.. and mind you as a christian i do have problems with the way sociey treats sex these days
Papewaio
12-08-2002, 09:36
I think you would have to blame the record company execs more then the performers some how.
I do find it a bit of a leap from raunchy video to promoting sex to ten year olds.
If you want to blame anyone how about the parents who use a TV as a babysitter and leave all the responsibility for raising their children on the general community.
*agrees with The Papester*
I sense a new sig quote...
Mr Durian
12-09-2002, 13:47
Quote[/b] (ShadeFlanders @ Dec. 05 2002,03:27)]
Quote[/b] (Michiel de Ruyter @ Dec. 04 2002,19:08)]Elizabeth Bathory.
Countess Elizabeth Bathory (c 1560-1614) was a Hungerian countess (IIRC actually distantly related to the royal family), and her uncle was King of Poland, and her father was Prince of Transylvania. She developed a taste for blood and sadistic cruelty that paled those of her husband and of Vlad Tepes, Count of Wallachia (the one usually identified with Dracula). She was the one who bathed in the blood of virgins, let her servant girls serve and walk around naked, often tortured herself, poured water or honey over them and then pinned them to the ground oustide (to freeze or be devoured by insects)... As she ran out of fresh peasant girls in the area of Csejthe Castle (her main residence) she started to prey on girls of the lesser nobility. Eventually a clergyman brought this to the King of Hungary (already 600+ girls were murdered) when Elizabeth got slopy, who send Elizabeths cousin to investigate. When he arrived at her castle, he was appaled seeing the bodies of all the tortured girls (some even still alive, with dozens of holes in them) and had Elizabeth and her accomplices arrested. He found a list at her desk with the names of more then 650 girls in it.
At a show trial, in 1611, she was sentenced to be walled into one of the towers of Csejthe Castle untill she died, with only one small home to prvide fresh air and food (her noble birth prevented that she would be sentenced to death). She died in 1614, while here accomplices were sentenced to various horrible deaths... The tower she was walled into still stands among the ruins of Csejthe Castle in present day Slovakia.
She was probably the base for the legends that Bram Stoker used when he wrote Dracula
I think we have winner
AMEN
Red Peasant
12-09-2002, 14:29
Maggie Thatch.....the BITCH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
so what is wrong with EVE arlowan....curiosity is what sets us apart and above on the earth....
ok back to the point, and to further push the dagger, my nomination:
The little chits who started the witch hunt in Salem.
Thatch was also an uptight bitch.
i have to agree on a dislike for miss Spears.
and Barthony may well be the cream of the crop
BUT BACK OFF MADONNA ALROWAN http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
heh... what about EVE? i guess since she was the first sinner shes pretty evil, but apart from that, i cant see anything wrong with her, i mean what animal would Adam have chosen as a mate if he didnt want Eve?? that would mean a world with no women, and perhaps men dating dogs.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Red Peasant
12-10-2002, 13:30
Come on you religious types: say after me, 'Eve is not an "historical" figure'. 'She' was just some kinda mythical, allegorical type of figure. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
well, i am not starting a shouting match with Arlowan about the misconceptions of christianity, but Lilith would have been a much better canidate than Eve?
*Edited the last phrase Postino; went against what you have just said.
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GameDesigner
12-11-2002, 07:57
Well, it's probably somebody no one's ever heard of. But if we're restricting our picks to historcal figures I'd have to go with Liz Balthory too. SHe was one crazy lady. Others may have caused more overall damage, but none with as much malice.
If you want Bible figures, what about Jezebel. I thought she was regarded as evil incarnate by most Christians...
I agree with Soly on Historical American figures.
I have a recent one from Canada though - Karla Homolka, She and her boyfriend Paul Bernardo kidnapped and sexually tortured several schoolgirls in Western Canada. Nasty.
Marie Antoinette wqas a pretty special case too...was she evil though...anyway not going to start the "What is evil" debate here and now...
But why are we even talking about any of this?
I am just curious why someone whould be curious about this.
And why would somone suggest "Mrs. Stalin" when they didn't even know if there was one...what she is supposedly evil for the sole reason that she was married to a ruthless man? Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Jaguara
musa,
italian slave girl given by augustus to the parthian king as a goodwill gesture during a peace treaty. musa rose up the ranks to concubine to queen by displacing those in her way. she also had the heir to the parthian throne displaced in favor of her son by the king. that event was followed thereafter by the assasination of said king and her son taking the throne. and here comes the clincher. she then marries her son, the king, an act so shocking, it produces a series of civil wars and revolts from which parthian central authority.
so augustus' one little slave girl manages to do what armies of legionaires had failed to do, destroy the parthian empire.
Hirosito
12-13-2002, 19:26
the same someone has just said about 'mrs. stalin' would apply to eva braun, she never even really married him
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