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redrooster
10-04-2002, 14:26
Post your "what if"s here so others can chew on it if they needed something to help them sleep
i shall start off
1) What if Alexander lived to an old age?
2) What if china continued to develope gunpowder for usage in a projectile weapon rather then firecrackers and fireworks?
Rosacrux
10-04-2002, 16:14
- what if... Adam was gay?
redrooster
10-04-2002, 18:04
thats the what if to end all what ifs
Mithrandir
10-05-2002, 02:44
what if this is off topic and doesnt get moved?
what if someone would travel back in time to kill Hitler as a todler, would he still be sent back since no one would ever know about the killing other than just another perverted killing, thus letting Hitler live and resending the killer thus restarting everything again...
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Emperor Theodoripiklos IV
10-05-2002, 09:04
what if the Imperial Navy won at midway?
Ithaskar Fëarindel
10-05-2002, 21:40
Quote As posted by Mith...
what if this is off topic and doesnt get moved?[/QUOTE]
Keep your "What if's" history related and it won't be moved. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Sjakihata
10-06-2002, 18:12
What if Jesus was merely a fake legend?
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The Black Ship
10-06-2002, 19:09
What if Takeda Shingen didn't like Flute music?
What if Cleopatra wanted a quickie that day in March?
What if Montezuma wasn't such a dupe?
What if George Washington quit after all his early humiliating defeats?
What if Lincoln were a Democrat...would slavery have lasted longer?
What if Argentina didn't get taken over by Peron?
What if Bill Gates was your typical teenaged slacker?
What if cold fusion really does work?
P.S. We ever going to give our opinions, or just let them poignantly stand unanswered?
[This message has been edited by The Black Ship (edited 10-06-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by Rosacrux:
- what if... Adam was gay?[/QUOTE]
What if....that was funny?
And about what Mith said, what if Hitlers mum decided to get an abortion (She was seriously thinking about it, but decided against it) then would WW2 ever happen? Would millions of jews died?
[This message has been edited by Itonami (edited 10-06-2002).]
Rosacrux
10-07-2002, 12:59
Itonami
It wasn't meant as a joke... just think of it. An Adam who wouldn't mate with Eve, would put an end to everything, wouldn't it?
At least if you believe in the Jewish genesis...
And, no, it wasn't ment as an insult to gay. OK?
Sjakihata
10-07-2002, 14:50
I think WW2 would have happened even if Hitler was not born, however, it could be possible that the holocaust thing would never have taken place..!
stilicho
10-09-2002, 11:49
the day we cant laugh at homosexuality is the day pc-ness has won.
redrooster
10-09-2002, 11:59
what if the ming emperor didn't scrap Zheng He's fleet
Muneyoshi
10-09-2002, 20:34
Quote Originally posted by Rosacrux:
Itonami
It wasn't meant as a joke... just think of it. An Adam who wouldn't mate with Eve, would put an end to everything, wouldn't it?
At least if you believe in the Jewish genesis...
And, no, it wasn't ment as an insult to gay. OK?[/QUOTE]
Then I apoligize. I didnt take it as a insult to gays (And yes, I am straight) I just wasnt thinking abotu Adam and Eve and such http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif You bring up a good point though, what if he was gay? Then would any of us be here? Not likely
And to Sjakihata, im not so sure if it really would of happened. Perhaps theirwould of been a war still, but im not sure if it would of been a "World War"
NagatsukaShumi
10-10-2002, 01:41
What if.....
1)Oda Nobunaga never defeated Takeda Katsuyori at Nagashino
2)The Roman Empire didn't collapse
3)Pope Urban had dided before his announcements of a Cruscade at the Council of Clermont
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deejayvee
10-10-2002, 09:14
Quote You bring up a good point though, what if he was gay? Then would any of us be here? Not likely[/QUOTE]
I'm not knowledgeable about the bible, so forgive me, but wasn't there other people around at the time. I believe this is the response to the "who did their children f***?" question. Therefore, if it wasn't Adam it would be some other guy. Eve was the more pivotal one because she at the apple. So what if Eve didn't like apples????
candidgamera
10-10-2002, 22:26
What if WWI was avoided and then so too WWII as result, and nuclear weapons were invented without the collective experience of two world wars? - would we be more likely to wipe ourselves out at some point.
What if the confederate rider hadn't dropped the cigar prior to Antietam and the AOP was soundly defeated outside Harrisburg? Well covered possibility in Turtledove's 5 books.
Protoman
10-11-2002, 22:25
Quote Originally posted by The Black Ship:
What if Lincoln were a Democrat...would slavery have lasted longer?[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it lincoln that formed the rebuplican party?
The party originally started out as an attempt to organize for the freedom of slaves.
So that is a pretty heft "what if" which would really require that lincoln be an entirely different person altogether.
"What if's" usually aren't so board.
Stephen Hummell
10-13-2002, 07:04
What if Ogadai hadn't drunk himself to death.
The Black Ship
10-13-2002, 09:12
Sorry Protoman but Lincoln could hardly be given the moniker "creator of the Republican party". It took him 2 years to finally get around to the Emancipation Act...so perhaps it's not nearly such a stretch as it seems?
As a side bar: I find it fascinating that the party most regarded as pro-African/American was the very party that advocated the status quo regarding slavery. Perhaps Jesse Jackson and freinds should sue them for past transgressions?
What if there is no God?
What if there is no soul?
What if there is no afterlife?
What if all thats left is rotting flesh in the ground?
What if all this religion is a waste of time?
Muneyoshi
10-17-2002, 08:30
Quote Originally posted by Terrax:
What if there is no God?
What if there is no soul?
What if there is no afterlife?
What if all thats left is rotting flesh in the ground?
What if all this religion is a waste of time?
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Life would be the same
Look above
Then we would not be here to see it, if thats ALL that is left
In my opinion, IT IS!
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Emperor Theodoripiklos IV
10-17-2002, 21:45
Waste of time yep!
There is no religion in my life...i dont care about the afterlife , and i feel great http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Boromir0101
10-26-2002, 06:01
what if.....
the Apache, Nez Perce, and Sioux tribes had the numbers (they certanilty had the skills and ability in warfare) to defeat, or hold off or convince the U.S Government to back off?
What if......
Constantinople didn't fall?
what if.....
Joan of Arc wasn't belived?
What if.....
The pilgirms werent saved by the few natives left after the plauge?
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What if....
- Atilla wanted to be a shepherd?
- "Beagle" hit the rock and sunk?
- Copernicus had no interest in astronomy?
- Hannibal wasn't hestiant?
- Charlemagne died as a child?
- the liberal views of the world, sexuality, etc. become accepted by all the people on this planet?
redrooster
10-27-2002, 15:34
what if hitler was born with two testicles...
What if it didn't snow in Russia ?
t1master
10-28-2002, 09:42
kennedy had launched the nukes at cuba
kennedy was never killed
lingburg never crossed the atlantic
tiger woods never won the masters...
eishenhowere beat the russians to berlin
lafayete never allied with the continental army
henry ford never created the assembly line
Stephen Hummell
10-28-2002, 09:48
Beatia didnt miss that feild goal against miami
t1master
10-28-2002, 10:50
stephen,
what part of ohio, i come from cleveland..
i know it's off topic...
what if
ghandi was a militant
penacillin was never discovered
muskets were never rifled
Tachikaze
10-28-2002, 11:09
What if the Americas had been home to small pox, rather than Eurasia.
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redrooster
11-12-2002, 19:22
what if a coconut dropped on newton's head instead of a humble apple
ShadeFlanders
11-12-2002, 20:00
...the ref didn't disallow the Wilmots goal in Belgium-Brazil in this year's world cup???
Kongamato
11-13-2002, 01:19
What if Hideyoshi built boats that worked?
ShadesWolf
11-13-2002, 14:39
What if the last 22 years have all been a big dream and Im going to wake up in 5 mins
and it is 1980 and I have to go to school ?
What if historical events never took place and what we read are the outcome of many people with great fantasy?
MonkeyMan
12-03-2002, 15:53
Quote 1
what if.....
the Apache, Nez Perce, and Sioux tribes had the numbers (they certanilty had the skills and ability in warfare) to defeat, or hold off or convince the U.S Government to back off?
Being essentially hunter gatherer civilisations, there is a predefined population limit of people in a certain land area. This would therefore require that these tribes had began some form of agriculture/centralised living, and would by definition no longer be the tribes you speak of.
Quote 2
...the ref didn't disallow the Wilmots goal in Belgium-Brazil in this year's world cup???
What if Seaman was in the correct position in England-Brazil?
Quote 3
eishenhower beat the russians to berlin
He probably would have been shot wondering into German territory all on his own the silly man. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Better question - what if WW2 had continued with the allied forces fighting Russia?
Quote 1
Possibility 1: the Indians eventualy merge into a federation and trade goods/culture with the USA. By 20th ct they are a federation under the name UnitedIndianTribes. A country like Mexico, but far richer. USA never managed to become major power. Germany won World War (WWII never erupted).
Possibility 2: The Indians continued their "tribe policy", until some decates later, USA eventually conquered them.
Quote 2
Belgium - Brazil : Belgium holds the score and quilifies. England won Belgium next round and Turkey in the semifinals. Lost to Germany in the Final.
Brazil - England : England wins with golden own goal of Ronaldinio in over time. Lost to Turkey in semifinal. Germany take the cup against Turkey in the final.
Quote 3
Allied forces are victorious until next winter. Russia beats them and start a counter attack which is stoped from 4 atomic bombs in Moscow, Stalingrant, Leningrant and Kiev.
I think that the whole concept of "what if" is that with a minor historical tweek there would be a major historical change.
What if Hebrews where totaly wipped out during the holocaust?
MonkeyMan
12-04-2002, 11:00
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,01:55)]Lost to Germany in the Final.
No chance England were the second best team in the tournament. We were beaten by the best one but we easily came the closest to beating them out of anyone.
Quote 3 - you may well be correct about the nuke thing, that would certainly have changed the modern day world
ShadeFlanders
12-04-2002, 11:13
Citaat[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,07:55)]Belgium - Brazil : Belgium holds the score and quilifies. England won Belgium next round and Turkey in the semifinals. Lost to Germany in the Final.
I think logically this would happen:
Belgium beats Brazil and plays England in the semi's. Seeing that Belgium had the better of the match against Brazil and Brazil was the better team in England-Brazil (as it really happened) we can conclude that Belgium would have beaten England. Especially if you consider that Belgium still has a score to settle with england (Platt in the 1990 WC http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ).This would set up a semi-final against Turkey, considering we have bad experiences playing Turkey (Euro 2000) we lose undeservedly agaisnt the Turks. The final would easily be won by Germany against the Turks which would be over-estimating themselves by now.
Papewaio
12-04-2002, 12:08
Quote[/b] (hrvojej @ Oct. 27 2002,05:59)]What if....
- "Beagle" hit the rock and sunk?
- Copernicus had no interest in astronomy?
Darwin wasn't the first to publish about evolution. He merely had the most convincing arguement and amount of data at the time. Another scientist had alreay published the idea and it motivated the hesitant Darwin to pull his finger out.
Also his grandfather and a few others of had already proposed a similar idea.
So in essence their was an evolution to the concept of evolution http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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As for Copernicus. Same as above. Science makes discoveries. Being the first to discover a planet or the paradgim for a natural phenomena does not mean that someone else would not have done the same. In fact once a new paradgim comes about or a new technology/technic for doing something a lot of things are independently found by scientists working at other ends of the globe.
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Howabout this what if?
What if the Vatican had control of the worlds news media? Would science have been stamped out?
Would crusades with the authentic media stamp of be allowed?
Or would we be seeing a case like the state controlled media in Muslim countries?
What if the Middle East had no state controlled media?
What if...
Peter Parker had been bitten by a radio active platypuss?
Gore had been President during the September 11th Terrorist Attacks?
(oh man, that last one's gonna give me nightmares)
Azrael
what if ... gunpowder was never invented,
then some things should have been converted:
would we still have wars with spears and swords and airplanes instead of missiles had balistas and throwing rocks?
imagine an armor with a lance instead of a gun?
and marines armed with an axe invading Sudan?
BlackWatch McKenna
12-04-2002, 18:50
In the immortal words of John Belushi......
"What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub?"
Quote[/b] (MonkeyMan @ Dec. 04 2002,12:00)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 04 2002,01:55)]Lost to Germany in the Final.
No chance England were the second best team in the tournament. We were beaten by the best one but we easily came the closest to beating them out of anyone.
Quote 3 - you may well be correct about the nuke thing, that would certainly have changed the modern day world
I thought that Germany was the second best of Korea/Japan. And the hardest game for Brazil was against Turkey.
Quote[/b] (Papewaio @ Dec. 04 2002,05:08)]
Quote[/b] (hrvojej @ Oct. 27 2002,05:59)]What if....
- "Beagle" hit the rock and sunk?
- Copernicus had no interest in astronomy?
Darwin wasn't the first to publish about evolution. He merely had the most convincing arguement and amount of data at the time. Another scientist had alreay published the idea and it motivated the hesitant Darwin to pull his finger out.
Also his grandfather and a few others of had already proposed a similar idea.
So in essence their was an evolution to the concept of evolution http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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As for Copernicus. Same as above. Science makes discoveries. Being the first to discover a planet or the paradgim for a natural phenomena does not mean that someone else would not have done the same. In fact once a new paradgim comes about or a new technology/technic for doing something a lot of things are independently found by scientists working at other ends of the globe.
It's like saying that the philosophical theory of the atom negates the physical definitons of the atom. For all we know, Lamarck's theory could have been taught in schools of today, as well as the geocentric system. The same can be applied to history. I mean, what if the crusades haven't been started when they were? Does it mean that they wouldn't have been after 50 or 100 years?
In short, if someone didn't discover something at a certain point in time, it doesn't mean that somebody else wouldn't have done the same, but it also doesn't mean that somebody would. That's the whole point of "what if" questions, isn't it?
Anyway,
What if Mendel was growing lettuce and not peas?
What if Fermi decided to emmigrate to USSR?
What if Volta was alergic to frogs?
What if it was Tesla that got killed by the horse and not his (as he claimed) even more ingenious brother?
What if Einstein wasn't so bad at physics in school?
Papewaio
12-06-2002, 02:17
Quote[/b] (hrvojej @ Dec. 05 2002,09:51)]What if Mendel was growing lettuce and not peas?
What if Fermi decided to emmigrate to USSR?
What if Volta was alergic to frogs?
What if it was Tesla that got killed by the horse and not his (as he claimed) even more ingenious brother?
What if Einstein wasn't so bad at physics in school?
Mendel, that probably would have made a significant difference.
Fermi, to the USSR probably would have slowed down the development of the Atomic Bomb. In fact I think he was one of the key players in the refining process of the Uranium, that is the stage at which the Germans failed at in creating their own Atomic Bomb according to some accounts I remember reading in the mists of time.
Volta, allergic to frogs how revolting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif . He probably was and he was getting revenge on them by cutting them up and experimenting on them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Tesla, it may have been the death of his brother that inspired him to greater deeds. His more intelligent brother would have probably figured out the easier path in life was to go to Uni, get drunk, layed and then become a business man and make everyone else work for you and letting his genius go to waste.
Einstein, that is a bit of a myth about him being bad at school. His language skills were poor (like many a scientist, which is a shame as having an idea is one thing, communicating it with use is another), his science skills though were apparently outstanding at a school level. Probably though if his schooling days were better he would be Rimmer Einstein rather then the Ace Einstein that we know.
Lord_Lenny
12-07-2002, 14:02
Quote[/b] (redrooster @ Oct. 09 2002,05:59)]what if the ming emperor didn't scrap Zheng He's fleet
hey that's a good one, australia may well be chinese and hell even west coast america maybe, wow that's a pretty big what if, if you think about it enough, that has the power to totally change the world we live in. Well done
- the norwegian settlers successfully colonized vinland and created a new scandinavian nation.
- the normans were defeated at Hastings.
- Blucher didn't reach Waterloo until the following day.
- Hitler didn't invade Poland and succeeded in forming an alliance with Britain against Russia.
- the british had capulated in 1940.
Finally
- the army the chinese emperor sent to conquer Rome in 97AD(date?) had not turned back.
(This one has always intrigued me. China's armies vs Rome's legions almost at their peak in disipline and training.)
Quote[/b] (Qilue @ Dec. 07 2002,16:35)]- the norwegian settlers successfully colonized vinland and created a new scandinavian nation.
- the normans were defeated at Hastings.
- Blucher didn't reach Waterloo until the following day.
- Hitler didn't invade Poland and succeeded in forming an alliance with Britain against Russia.
- the british had capulated in 1940.
Finally
- the army the chinese emperor sent to conquer Rome in 97AD(date?) had not turned back.
(This one has always intrigued me. China's armies vs Rome's legions almost at their peak in disipline and training.)
1 and 2 : nothing special would be differend.
3. Napoleon would be the winner, but he would eventualy loose another day...
4. USSR would be defeated and conquered. Some decates (1970-1980)later liberated but with a democracy established. Todays major military powers would be Germany and USA. EU would never exist.
5. USA never enters the war. Russia is defeated and some decates later Europe would be a European Union but with a centralized government.
Swoosh So
12-09-2002, 21:27
What if magyar was crap at shogun??
Papewaio
12-09-2002, 23:26
Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Dec. 09 2002,14:27)]What if magyar was crap at shogun??
Bucking for Khan eh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Swoosh Khan / Swoosh Cham http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 09 2002,02:19)]4. USSR would be defeated and conquered. Some decates (1970-1980)later liberated but with a democracy established. Todays major military powers would be Germany and USA. EU would never exist.
5. USA never enters the war. Russia is defeated and some decates later Europe would be a European Union but with a centralized government.
A wild guess, you're an american. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Ithaskar Fëarindel
12-10-2002, 23:50
Quote[/b] ]Ktonos
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From Greece Qilue.
Just out of curiosity though Ktonos, was it not Greece that banned computer games? Or has it changed since then?
Yes it has been changed. The law was claimed to be illegal and against the Constitution (sp?), but IMHO it was a wrong move from the government.
I mean that never did I or anyone else was really banned from playing pc-games. This law was just a "weapon" for the state in its war against illegal electronic bets. It would eventually help many families from bankrupting due to bets, confine the income of "corrupted nightlords" while the gamer would still be able to play MTW in the middle of Syntagma Square.
Rosacrux
12-11-2002, 08:53
Yeah, that loony law was dropped since the first judge facing it ruled it "unconstitutional". This law was indeed a very weird move. And it came to life due to the fact that some politicians are so computer-savy as a white whale (and with the same degree of thikness as well).
Quote[/b] ]Sorry Protoman but Lincoln could hardly be given the moniker "creator of the Republican party". It took him 2 years to finally get around to the Emancipation Act...so perhaps it's not nearly such a stretch as it seems?
As a side bar: I find it fascinating that the party most regarded as pro-African/American was the very party that advocated the status quo regarding slavery. Perhaps Jesse Jackson and freinds should sue them for past transgressions?
Technically speaking, Lincoln himself wasn't an abolitionist. He in fact said on many occasions that he had no opinion one way or the other. However, he was a die-hard federalist, and when congress passed the emancipation proclamation he felt that it was his duty to enforce it, due to his federalist leanings and nothing more.
I realize this is from way back at the beginning of the thread, but I just had to reply to it.
Quote[/b] ]Yes it has been changed. The law was claimed to be illegal and against the Constitution (sp?), but IMHO it was a wrong move from the government.
I mean that never did I or anyone else was really banned from playing pc-games. This law was just a "weapon" for the state in its war against illegal electronic bets. It would eventually help many families from bankrupting due to bets, confine the income of "corrupted nightlords" while the gamer would still be able to play MTW in the middle of Syntagma Square.
On this topic I would have this to say, even though I'm no citizen of Greece... Never trust your government to enforce a law selectively. There are lots of laws in the US that stay on the books because the police or the prosecutors argue that they only use them against genuine criminals when they have nothing else to stick them with, but the truth of the matter is that such laws get abused by the police and prosecutors all the time, and their very presence, enforced or not, disenfranchises the people who have legitimate reasons to perform the activity in question since they will always know that that policeman over there could arrest them for it if he felt like it.
-Musashi
Mr Frost
12-16-2002, 18:49
If General Belisarus {however you spell his name} had realised just how towering an idiotic mouth-breather his Emperor actually was and gone against his instinct to remain loyal by taking the Imperial {Byzantine} thrown for himself .
I imagine he would have abandoned the Italian {western Empire} territories and focused on securing the far more valuable Territories between Asia Minor and {inluding} Egypt , built up the Army properly and then gone back to retake much of the {former} Western Empire {he certainly had the skills } .
The Catholic Church would have been effectivly snuffed out under the weight of a powerful Orthodox presence . Islam would have had to deal with a resurgent Byzantine presence that claimed and could take and hold the most valuable territories that it would otherwise have had to draw upon for strength .
His decendants might have inherrited enough of his sterling qualities to have continued what he started .
If he had been enterprising and forcefull enough in this then the events may have served as spurs to prick the sides of Byzantines' intent {if you will allow me the poetic licence http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif} such as to reinvigorate their society {reverse it's actual historical slide into despotism , hubris and apathy} so that they might have remained and evolved their technology {which they seemed to let stagnate in real history} .
They may have been strong enough to halt the Golden Horde in it's tracks {and gained the Russias as part of their empire} , followed Norse stories to a huge continent to the west over the Atlantic ...
A stretch in some ways , but so is the story of a people holding but a portion of their often soggy Island http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif managing to conquering one quater of the entire planet {the Brittish empire was such} yet fail to gain the territories they had some legal claim to just across a body of water narraow enough to swim , hold such possition for two centuries {never taking any of Europe just across that narrow channal} and fall to being just on par with their neibours in Europe to be replaced as THE global powerhouse by what had been largly a commercial enterprise {The Brittish efforts in America were largle for just that ... for that matter Pennsylvania WAS a corporate entity at one time} who themselves managed to win their independance in an actual war with that superpower
History is filled with unlikely outcomes .
One day the world will tremble beneath the crushing might of the Aussie Empire You will come to fear even our lowly Yobbo levies , let alone the elite Wallopers with their terrible battle cry "we'll f@#kin' job ya " . We will finance our rise with the global sales of our supperior beer . http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Muhahahahaha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
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